BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

y?

Are you going to send us some money for every day you enjoyed freedom?

How about the freedom to not be shot up by mentally deranged
gun nuts?

Jon

On 7/26/2012 2:05 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

y?

Are you going to send us some money for every day you enjoyed freedom?

How about the freedom to not be shot up by mentally deranged
gun nuts?

Jon

That's called accepting the responsibility of defending yourself.

David

"Jon Elson" wrote in message
...

How about the freedom to not be shot up by mentally deranged
gun nuts?

Jon

Turn in your matches before you flip out and commit deadly arson.

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message ...

"Jon Elson" wrote in message
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How about the freedom to not be shot up by mentally deranged
gun nuts?

Jon

Turn in your matches before you flip out and commit deadly arson.


I can think of no other purpose for a 100 round clip other than to provide oneself with the ability to very quickly kill mass quantities of people, mostly through the element of surprise.

In fact, outside of a war-time or swat scenario, pretty sure it would be extremely difficult to find even a single instance where someone's firing a large number of rounds at an agressor from a gun having a large capacity magazine was a decisive factor in an effective act of personal-protection.

"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote in message
I can think of no other purpose for a 100 round clip ....

You're lucky that you know more about machining than firearms.

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
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"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote in message
I can think of no other purpose for a 100 round clip ....

You're lucky that you know more about machining than firearms.


Notably absent from your response was any kind if plausable explanation as
to why a person would feel a need to have a rifle with couple of 100 round
clips for the purpose of self-defense

And before you go off acting as though I don't know anything about guns,
bear in mind that my first rifle was given to me by my father when I was
about ten years old, it was a bolt action remington IIRC...shortly afterward
I was given a lever action 32 special...

Currently, I also own a rifle that's pretty much identical to the one that
was used in Colorado, (except mine usually has a scope attached)...and the
pair of 30 round clip that I have seems to be way more than sufficient.

But feel free to enlighten me about all those numerous times where a high
powered rifle with a 100 round clip was sucessfully used by an ordinary
citizen to defend himself against an armed assailant.

Hell, find me even a single instance....

In article ,
says...

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
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"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote in message
I can think of no other purpose for a 100 round clip ....

You're lucky that you know more about machining than firearms.


Notably absent from your response was any kind if plausable explanation as
to why a person would feel a need to have a rifle with couple of 100 round
clips for the purpose of self-defense

And before you go off acting as though I don't know anything about guns,
bear in mind that my first rifle was given to me by my father when I was
about ten years old, it was a bolt action remington IIRC...shortly afterward
I was given a lever action 32 special...

Currently, I also own a rifle that's pretty much identical to the one that
was used in Colorado, (except mine usually has a scope attached)...and the
pair of 30 round clip that I have seems to be way more than sufficient.

But feel free to enlighten me about all those numerous times where a high
powered rifle with a 100 round clip was sucessfully used by an ordinary
citizen to defend himself against an armed assailant.

Hell, find me even a single instance....

This is supposed to be a free society in which what one owns is governed
by what one can afford and wants, and not by what someone else percieves
that one "needs". Of course people like you who think that the
government should tell us when we can take a crap and how long we're
allowed to take will never grasp that concept.

PrecisionmachinisT wrote:


Notably absent from your response was any kind if plausable explanation as
to why a person would feel a need to have a rifle with couple of 100 round
clips for the purpose of self-defense


OK, know it all. What happens to the barrel when you fire 100
rounds, non stop? BTW, sentences end with punctuation. I know you're a
liberal and all, but that was taught in grade school.

"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote in message
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
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"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote in message
I can think of no other purpose for a 100 round clip ....

You're lucky that you know more about machining than firearms.


But feel free to enlighten me about all those numerous times where a
high powered rifle with a 100 round clip was sucessfully used by an
ordinary citizen to defend himself against an armed assailant.

Hell, find me even a single instance....

Doubt if I can, they are a lure for imprudent customers who don't
understand they are actually a liability. The original Soviet RPK
machine gun drum they are roughly based on made sense for dug-in
gunners who could duck their heads down while clearing jams.

With your claimed experience you ought to know that assault rifle
cartridges like the .223 are nowhere near "high-powered", that
describes older bolt-action rifles cartridges 2-3 times as powerful,
meant to hit the enemy line half a mile away, and difficult to control
in full-auto house clearing. Assault rifle cartridges have only the
minimum power that's effective at close range, to make the weapon
easier to control when standing or running. They were an upgrade to
replace pistol-cartridge submachine guns which weren't consistently
powerful enough to stop the enemy.

On 7/26/2012 8:59 PM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote in message
I can think of no other purpose for a 100 round clip ....

You're lucky that you know more about machining than firearms.


Notably absent from your response was any kind if plausable explanation as
to why a person would feel a need to have a rifle with couple of 100 round
clips for the purpose of self-defense

And before you go off acting as though I don't know anything about guns,
bear in mind that my first rifle was given to me by my father when I was
about ten years old, it was a bolt action remington IIRC...shortly afterward
I was given a lever action 32 special...

Currently, I also own a rifle that's pretty much identical to the one that
was used in Colorado, (except mine usually has a scope attached)...and the
pair of 30 round clip that I have seems to be way more than sufficient.

But feel free to enlighten me about all those numerous times where a high
powered rifle with a 100 round clip was sucessfully used by an ordinary
citizen to defend himself against an armed assailant.

Hell, find me even a single instance....



Anybody that calls a magazine a "clip" knows nothing about firearms and
undoubtedly never owned one or knows how to use one.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:07:47 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


"Jon Elson" wrote in message
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How about the freedom to not be shot up by mentally deranged
gun nuts?

Jon

Turn in your matches before you flip out and commit deadly arson.

And his car keys, lest he commit a deadly hit and run.
And his propane tanks, lest he commit terrorist explosions.
Rinse, repeat.

--
It takes as much energy to wish as to plan.
--Eleanor Roosevelt

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:05:01 -0500, Jon Elson
wrote:

BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

y?

Are you going to send us some money for every day you enjoyed freedom?

How about the freedom to not be shot up by mentally deranged
gun nuts?

Had the cinema management not prohibited all the concealed carry
weapons from their theaters, there would have been many fewer deaths,
one of which being the perp himself. The theater owners committed the
atrocity by giving the idiot a -safe- place to spray bullets, where he
would certainly not be stopped. Ditto the school admins who declare
schools to be "Gun Free Zones". That's a key concept to the crazies.
The words "gun-free zone" mean that they won't be stopped when killing
people in these places. Ever see a donut shop robbed?

--
It takes as much energy to wish as to plan.
--Eleanor Roosevelt

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...Ever see a donut shop robbed?

Was it "Code of Silence" where robbers try to hold up the bar where
the off-duty cops hang out?

jsw

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:53:02 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...Ever see a donut shop robbed?

Was it "Code of Silence" where robbers try to hold up the bar where
the off-duty cops hang out?

g Ayup. g

--
It takes as much energy to wish as to plan.
--Eleanor Roosevelt

On 7/26/2012 9:26 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:53:02 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...Ever see a donut shop robbed?

Was it "Code of Silence" where robbers try to hold up the bar where
the off-duty cops hang out?

g Ayup. g


Have you heard of incidents where cops discharge huge numbers of rounds
with only a small percentage of hits? It happens all the time! I'm in
the process of getting certified to teach police and military. I have
cop friend that will sponsor me and have trained with him and others in
his department for over a year. Lots of cops don't care much about
shooting other than to pass their quals. The NRA has great programs for
them.

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
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Have you heard of incidents where cops discharge huge numbers of
rounds with only a small percentage of hits?

"Suppressive Fire".

This shows the caualty rate per whole day when lines of standing
soldiers blasted away at each other at close range:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/gabrmetz/table1.gif

In the American Civil War many of the weapons were as or more accurate
than modern pistols.

Larry Jaques wrote:

Had the cinema management not prohibited all the concealed carry
weapons from their theaters, there would have been many fewer deaths,
one of which being the perp himself. The theater owners committed the
atrocity by giving the idiot a -safe- place to spray bullets, where he
would certainly not be stopped. Ditto the school admins who declare
schools to be "Gun Free Zones". That's a key concept to the crazies.
The words "gun-free zone" mean that they won't be stopped when killing
people in these places. Ever see a donut shop robbed?


Yes, but not many. It was on one of theose 'Dumbest Crooks' TV
shows.

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:05:01 -0500, Jon Elson
wrote:

BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

y?

Are you going to send us some money for every day you enjoyed freedom?

How about the freedom to not be shot up by mentally deranged
gun nuts?

Had the cinema management not prohibited all the concealed carry
weapons from their theaters, there would have been many fewer deaths,

So far as I know, there was nobody present who had a ccw permit but left
their gun at home because of theater policy ...

Personally, I wouldn't have given a second thought about violating...


one of which being the perp himself. The theater owners committed the
atrocity by giving the idiot a -safe- place to spray bullets, where he
would certainly not be stopped. Ditto the school admins who declare
schools to be "Gun Free Zones". That's a key concept to the crazies.

Armed security could go a long ways in this particular situation.

The words "gun-free zone" mean that they won't be stopped when killing
people in these places. Ever see a donut shop robbed?

On 7/26/2012 11:34 PM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:05:01 -0500, Jon Elson
wrote:

BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

y?

Are you going to send us some money for every day you enjoyed freedom?

How about the freedom to not be shot up by mentally deranged
gun nuts?

Had the cinema management not prohibited all the concealed carry
weapons from their theaters, there would have been many fewer deaths,

So far as I know, there was nobody present who had a ccw permit but left
their gun at home because of theater policy ...

Personally, I wouldn't have given a second thought about violating...


Another stupid deranged asshole with a gun! -bring plenty of "clips"?