There's an old motor home on our property we want to get rid of. It was
driven into place about three years ago. Apparently, no one checked the
batteries, and they are all dried now, I would guess fried. Can one fill
with electrolyte, charge, and hope for a Hail Mary? Or just go get new
batteries........ three of them.

Steve

On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:35:33 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

There's an old motor home on our property we want to get rid of. It was
driven into place about three years ago. Apparently, no one checked the
batteries, and they are all dried now, I would guess fried. Can one fill
with electrolyte, charge, and hope for a Hail Mary? Or just go get new
batteries........ three of them.

Steve


You only need one to drive it out. Fat chance getting a dried out
battery back to life.

On Jun 25, 9:42*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:35:33 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

There's an old motor home on our property we want to get rid of. *It was
driven into place about three years ago. *Apparently, no one checked the
batteries, and they are all dried now, I would guess fried. *Can one fill
with electrolyte, charge, and hope for a Hail Mary? *Or just go get new
batteries........ three of them.

Steve

You only need one to drive it out. Fat chance getting a dried out
battery back to life.

Actually, I have had some success rinsing out the battery with lots of
water and agitation, and then refilling with electrolyte. Or, Steve
could just pick up a junk yard battery. I assume this doesn't have to
work for very long.

wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:35:33 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

There's an old motor home on our property we want to get rid of. It was
driven into place about three years ago. Apparently, no one checked the
batteries, and they are all dried now, I would guess fried. Can one fill
with electrolyte, charge, and hope for a Hail Mary? Or just go get new
batteries........ three of them.

Steve


You only need one to drive it out. Fat chance getting a dried out
battery back to life.

Kinda figgered. Didn't think of the one battery idea. I got two in the
boat, and maybe it's time to sacrifice one, and get a new one for the boat
..............

One battery looks to be just to the ignition. The second has about four
wires to each terminal. The third has just two. I'd say the second and
third are for house power when parked. Just keep the wires together, and
should be good to go.

That would be very believable and plausible to SWMBO, might even get me a
star on the fridge...........

Steve

On 2012-06-26, Steve B wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:35:33 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

There's an old motor home on our property we want to get rid of. It was
driven into place about three years ago. Apparently, no one checked the
batteries, and they are all dried now, I would guess fried. Can one fill
with electrolyte, charge, and hope for a Hail Mary? Or just go get new
batteries........ three of them.

Steve


You only need one to drive it out. Fat chance getting a dried out
battery back to life.

Kinda figgered. Didn't think of the one battery idea. I got two in the
boat, and maybe it's time to sacrifice one, and get a new one for the boat
.............

One battery looks to be just to the ignition. The second has about four
wires to each terminal. The third has just two. I'd say the second and
third are for house power when parked. Just keep the wires together, and
should be good to go.

That would be very believable and plausible to SWMBO, might even get me a
star on the fridge...........

Steve



We use services of a business that exchanges dead car batteries for
"reconditioned" batteries, at the cost of $20 per battery. They have
some procedure of reconditioning them to usable condition.

i

"Ignoramus6950" wrote in message
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On 2012-06-26, Steve B wrote:

wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:35:33 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

There's an old motor home on our property we want to get rid of. It was
driven into place about three years ago. Apparently, no one checked the
batteries, and they are all dried now, I would guess fried. Can one
fill
with electrolyte, charge, and hope for a Hail Mary? Or just go get new
batteries........ three of them.

Steve


You only need one to drive it out. Fat chance getting a dried out
battery back to life.

Kinda figgered. Didn't think of the one battery idea. I got two in the
boat, and maybe it's time to sacrifice one, and get a new one for the
boat
.............

One battery looks to be just to the ignition. The second has about four
wires to each terminal. The third has just two. I'd say the second and
third are for house power when parked. Just keep the wires together, and
should be good to go.

That would be very believable and plausible to SWMBO, might even get me a
star on the fridge...........

Steve



We use services of a business that exchanges dead car batteries for
"reconditioned" batteries, at the cost of $20 per battery. They have
some procedure of reconditioning them to usable condition.


Or call your local wrecking yard--usually, they'll have a couple dozen
freshly charged batteries that are a year or two old for sale at a very
reasonable price.

On 2012-06-26, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:

"Ignoramus6950" wrote in message
...
On 2012-06-26, Steve B wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:35:33 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

There's an old motor home on our property we want to get rid of. It was
driven into place about three years ago. Apparently, no one checked the
batteries, and they are all dried now, I would guess fried. Can one
fill
with electrolyte, charge, and hope for a Hail Mary? Or just go get new
batteries........ three of them.

Steve


You only need one to drive it out. Fat chance getting a dried out
battery back to life.

Kinda figgered. Didn't think of the one battery idea. I got two in the
boat, and maybe it's time to sacrifice one, and get a new one for the
boat
.............

One battery looks to be just to the ignition. The second has about four
wires to each terminal. The third has just two. I'd say the second and
third are for house power when parked. Just keep the wires together, and
should be good to go.

That would be very believable and plausible to SWMBO, might even get me a
star on the fridge...........

Steve



We use services of a business that exchanges dead car batteries for
"reconditioned" batteries, at the cost of $20 per battery. They have
some procedure of reconditioning them to usable condition.


Or call your local wrecking yard--usually, they'll have a couple dozen
freshly charged batteries that are a year or two old for sale at a very
reasonable price.



By the way, the guy who brings the batteries to us on an old flatbed
pickup truck, is a banker. A former banker. This is his new job.

i

On 6/25/2012 8:35 PM, Steve B wrote:
There's an old motor home on our property we want to get rid of. It was
driven into place about three years ago. Apparently, no one checked the
batteries, and they are all dried now, I would guess fried. Can one fill
with electrolyte, charge, and hope for a Hail Mary? Or just go get new
batteries........ three of them.
....

"Get rid of" as in junk it or "get rid of" as in try to find a sucker???

If it's the former, given scrap prices these days there should be no
shortage of takers to just come and haul it off w/o you doing anything
whatever to it (and give you something for it besides).

--

"Ignoramus25088" wrote in
message

By the way, the guy who brings the batteries to us on an old flatbed
pickup truck, is a banker. A former banker. This is his new job.

i

Bank officer or bank employee?

After the mid-80's stock market crash this joke went around:

I spoke to my broker at lunch the other day.
I said, "Waiter!"

jsw

"Steve B" wrote in message
...
There's an old motor home on our property we want to get rid of. It
was
driven into place about three years ago. Apparently, no one checked
the
batteries, and they are all dried now, I would guess fried. Can one
fill
with electrolyte, charge, and hope for a Hail Mary? Or just go get
new
batteries........ three of them.

Steve

Water may evaporate but the acid doesn't. You could fill it barely
above the plates with distilled water and see if it accepts current
from a 'dumb' non-computerized charger that doesn't just give up on
it. If it does charge the liquid level will rise. Generally you'd need
an adjustable laboratory power supply to coax a little more life from
them.

If the water could somehow get out (it froze and cracked?) it's likely
that the exposed plates have oxidized and are ruined. Can't you borrow
a battery from another vehicle?

jsw

On 6/26/2012 8:49 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
id wrote in
message

By the way, the guy who brings the batteries to us on an old flatbed
pickup truck, is a banker. A former banker. This is his new job.

i

Bank officer or bank employee?
....

Given propensity of banks to hand out titles instead of paychecks,
they're generally one and the same...

The new layers of bureaucracy and reqm'ts on reserves have certainly hit
small, local banks very hard, though...even though they weren't ever
part of the problem to start with. Several rural ones here have closed
leaving no local presence; not a good thing...

--

On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:25:51 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


"Steve B" wrote in message
...
There's an old motor home on our property we want to get rid of. It
was
driven into place about three years ago. Apparently, no one checked
the
batteries, and they are all dried now, I would guess fried. Can one
fill
with electrolyte, charge, and hope for a Hail Mary? Or just go get
new
batteries........ three of them.

Steve

Water may evaporate but the acid doesn't. You could fill it barely
above the plates with distilled water and see if it accepts current
from a 'dumb' non-computerized charger that doesn't just give up on
it. If it does charge the liquid level will rise. Generally you'd need
an adjustable laboratory power supply to coax a little more life from
them.

If the water could somehow get out (it froze and cracked?) it's likely
that the exposed plates have oxidized and are ruined. Can't you borrow
a battery from another vehicle?

jsw


If he has good (or even decent) jumper cables he might just need to
jump start it and drive it off.

On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:35:33 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

There's an old motor home on our property we want to get rid of. It was
driven into place about three years ago. Apparently, no one checked the
batteries, and they are all dried now, I would guess fried. Can one fill
with electrolyte, charge, and hope for a Hail Mary? Or just go get new
batteries........ three of them.

You only need the one battery at the front for the starter and engine
to run it, and if you're going to sell the coach off for restoration
or scrap go find a good used one and toss it in.

Disconnect the other Deep Cycle batteries for the Coach systems and
tape off the cables - or the alternator might try to charge them
through an isolator diode block or charging relay, with potentially
bad results.

Once they've run dry the exposed areas of the cell plates sulfate, and
even if "restored" or refilled with distilled water or mixed
Electrolyte they won't last long or hold much of a charge.

But they are 100% recyclable - When you turn them in, they break them
up and recover all the lead and almost all the plastic for reuse, and
some of the acid.

-- Bruce --

Steve B wrote:

There's an old motor home on our property we want to get rid of. It was
driven into place about three years ago. Apparently, no one checked the
batteries, and they are all dried now, I would guess fried. Can one fill
with electrolyte, charge, and hope for a Hail Mary? Or just go get new
batteries........ three of them.
If they dried out in just 3 years, they must have run down, cracked the
cases and DRAINED out. Probably left big holes in whatever is below them.

Jon

On 6/26/2012 7:47 AM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:25:51 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


"Steve wrote in message
...
There's an old motor home on our property we want to get rid of. It
was
driven into place about three years ago. Apparently, no one checked
the
batteries, and they are all dried now, I would guess fried. Can one
fill
with electrolyte, charge, and hope for a Hail Mary? Or just go get
new
batteries........ three of them.

Steve

Water may evaporate but the acid doesn't. You could fill it barely
above the plates with distilled water and see if it accepts current
from a 'dumb' non-computerized charger that doesn't just give up on
it. If it does charge the liquid level will rise. Generally you'd need
an adjustable laboratory power supply to coax a little more life from
them.

If the water could somehow get out (it froze and cracked?) it's likely
that the exposed plates have oxidized and are ruined. Can't you borrow
a battery from another vehicle?

jsw


If he has good (or even decent) jumper cables he might just need to
jump start it and drive it off.


How does the voltage regulator work?
Unless it limits the peak voltage, there's likely gonna be
some stress applied to the electrical system.
Another problem is that when the RPM drops below the voltage level
sufficient
to make spark, it's all over.

On 2012-06-26, Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Ignoramus25088" wrote in
message

By the way, the guy who brings the batteries to us on an old flatbed
pickup truck, is a banker. A former banker. This is his new job.

i

Bank officer or bank employee?

After the mid-80's stock market crash this joke went around:

I spoke to my broker at lunch the other day.
I said, "Waiter!"

I talked to him, I like to talk to people, he is a former banker, more
specifically, loan officer at Wells Fargo bank. Laid off a few years
ago. Delivering reconditioned batteries to customers is his current job.

i

"mike" wrote in message
...
...
How does the voltage regulator work?
Unless it limits the peak voltage, there's likely gonna be
some stress applied to the electrical system.

'Some" stress, you say?
http://electronics.stackexchange.com...tive-load-dump

I built GM a test stand that generated a rapid series of alternator
load dumps, as though driving on a bumpy road with a loose battery
cable. In Flint MI (lovely place) they checked and approved it, then
hooked up their pre-production Seville fuel injection computer and let
it rip. On about the third or fourth dump the lead wire solder joint
melted and it sprung off the big protection Zener, and the next pulse
blasted the module before any of the engineers crowded around it could
dive in to shut it off.

The voltage pulse comes from the energy stored in the alternator rotor
winding, like a spark or Tesla coil.

jsw

"Ignoramus25088" wrote in
message news:vrOdnUj-

I talked to him, I like to talk to people, he is a former banker,
more
specifically, loan officer at Wells Fargo bank. Laid off a few years
ago. Delivering reconditioned batteries to customers is his current
job.
i

During high tech slowdowns I've fixed wheelchairs, built theater
scenery and repaired the caterer's medieval-surplus kitchen equipment
(in costume) at a Renaissance Festival. Anyone need wrought-iron
refrigerator door hinges?

jsw

dpb writes:


"Get rid of" as in junk it or "get rid of" as in try to find a sucker???

If it's the former, given scrap prices these days there should be no
shortage of takers to just come and haul it off w/o you doing anything
whatever to it (and give you something for it besides).

Crazy Ray now pays $400 for any car, any condition.


--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

On 2012-06-28, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:13:27 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

dpb writes:


"Get rid of" as in junk it or "get rid of" as in try to find a sucker???

If it's the former, given scrap prices these days there should be no
shortage of takers to just come and haul it off w/o you doing anything
whatever to it (and give you something for it besides).

Crazy Ray now pays $400 for any car, any condition.

Lets see...steel is $187 a ton for scrap....

You need to find a better scrap yard.

i

Gunner Asch writes:

Crazy Ray now pays $400 for any car, any condition.

Lets see...steel is $187 a ton for scrap....

The cars are first stripped of gasoline, Freon & platium;
then sit in the yard for "n" weeks while folks like moi
pick them over.

They they are crunched and carted off. At $187/ton; the 4400#'s
of steel Mercedes 450 SEL I saw musta been a steal..
--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:49:29 -0700, the renowned Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:34:33 -0500, Ignoramus28574
wrote:

On 2012-06-28, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:13:27 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

dpb writes:


"Get rid of" as in junk it or "get rid of" as in try to find a sucker???

If it's the former, given scrap prices these days there should be no
shortage of takers to just come and haul it off w/o you doing anything
whatever to it (and give you something for it besides).

Crazy Ray now pays $400 for any car, any condition.

Lets see...steel is $187 a ton for scrap....

You need to find a better scrap yard.

Steel prices are VERY regional in pricing. Since California is being
torn down..we have lots of steel being sold

Gunner

Apparently the wholesale price for shredded scrap is in the
$335-350/LT range right now, and dropping somewhat (along with other
commodities).


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Gunner Asch on Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:49:29 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:34:33 -0500, Ignoramus28574
wrote:

On 2012-06-28, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:13:27 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

dpb writes:


"Get rid of" as in junk it or "get rid of" as in try to find a sucker???

If it's the former, given scrap prices these days there should be no
shortage of takers to just come and haul it off w/o you doing anything
whatever to it (and give you something for it besides).

Crazy Ray now pays $400 for any car, any condition.

Lets see...steel is $187 a ton for scrap....

You need to find a better scrap yard.

Steel prices are VERY regional in pricing. Since California is being
torn down..we have lots of steel being sold

Maybe we can start selling it tot he Japanese ...
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

pyotr filipivich on Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:45:44
-0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Gunner Asch on Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:49:29 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:34:33 -0500, Ignoramus28574
wrote:

On 2012-06-28, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:13:27 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

dpb writes:


"Get rid of" as in junk it or "get rid of" as in try to find a sucker???

If it's the former, given scrap prices these days there should be no
shortage of takers to just come and haul it off w/o you doing anything
whatever to it (and give you something for it besides).

Crazy Ray now pays $400 for any car, any condition.

Lets see...steel is $187 a ton for scrap....

You need to find a better scrap yard.

Steel prices are VERY regional in pricing. Since California is being
torn down..we have lots of steel being sold

Maybe we can start selling it to the Japanese ...

I had in mind the scrap steel, but they might be willing to buy up
California.

tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Maybe we can start selling it to the Japanese ...


That was one of the causes of the Japanese attack on the US during
W.W II