On 2012-05-16, John G wrote:
DoN. Nichols used his keyboard to write :

[ ... ]

Actually -- these days I am more likely to "key in" (or perhaps
"punch" a phone number, and I used to have a dial telephone exchange
which I built at home (using Stronger switches), so I was very familiar
with how dials worked.

[ ... ]

Almon Brown Strowger (Penfield, New York, United States, Feb 11, 1839 ?
St. Petersburg, Florida, United States, May 26, 1902) gave his name to
the electromechanical telephone exchange technology that his invention
and patent inspired.

Yep -- the somewhat paranoid undertaker who was obviously in
the wrong profession. :-)

Of course, once Ma-Bell started using the switches (in exchanges
not busy enough to justify a crossbar exchange), they could not call
them by their proper name, and instead called them "10x10"s.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On 2012-05-16, John wrote:
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
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. 3.70:

You can "dial" a phone with the hook,

I've done that (300 series phones, the hookswitch on the 500
series ones was a bit sluggish for that), and also dialed (the last two
digits only) using the "A" relay on the Strowger switch.

Heh! I should have added that the "hook" ain't a hook anymore, either!

Nope.

But the old terms DO tend to stick. How many folks call photocopying
"Xeroxing"?

Only those who have not been believably threatened by Xerox. :-)

One of my favorite word origins is the word broadcast. It goes back a
lot farther than using it to describe what radio stations do.

I believe that it was applied to seed scattering well before
that.

Enjoy,
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On 05/14/2012 06:13 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"DoN. wrote
Interesting. How much chemistry work is atmospheric pressure
dependent? I could picture some things being pressure sensitive,
but
most chem class stuff would not be.

Enjoy,
DoN.

Boiling points, as in distillation.

That for sure; he was a stickler for procedure, and had us note it
during every lab session. I remember there were a few labs in thermo
when it was needed for the calculations, as it affected the boiling
points, but I'd have to dig out my lab notes for more examples.

Jon

On 2012-05-16, wrote:
On May 15, 9:36*pm, "DoN. Nichols" wrote:

[ ... ]

* * * * But I use enough different computers so finding a Dvorak
keyboard for *all* of them is pretty difficult and quite expensive.
Some don't even have their own keyboard, but depend on a stand-alone
terminal (such as the DEC VT-100 and later) with its own keyboard.


* * * * And -- I was taught touch typing (on a really old skeleton
typewriter) in the early 1950s by a great aunt before I reached junior
high school (called "middle school" in some places), so switching to
Dvorak would be rather difficult for me.

* * * * Enjoy,
* * * * * * * * DoN.

I am typing this on a keyboard that is labeled as a Querty keyboard
but I am using it as a Dvorak keyboard. Most all operating systems
have a way to swap the key layout. I am using Ubuntu and have it so
that my wife uses it as a Querty and I use it as a Dvorak.

I don't think that the operating system can do much with the
keyboard which is built into a stand-alone glass-tty terminal. And
lacking the source to the AT&T's 3B1/UNIX-PC/7300 (SysVr2 with BSD and
SysVr3 extensions), I can't do much with the keyboard encoding there.
(And before you say "Linux", it has its own hardware virtual memory
system which is limited to 4MB virtual memory, and 4MB max physical RAM
-- not enough to support the Linux versions which were available even at
that time. (68010 CPU, FWIW).

And even less information about the Tektronix 6130 (National
Semiconductor 16032 (or was it 32016?) CPU. And the motivation for
keeping the existing OS is the IEEE-488 interface which is very nicely
integrated into the BSD 4.2 variant which Tektronix called "uTek".
Again, before source was freely available for the later versions of
BSD.) And try the Integraph Interact32/C using the Fairchild clipper as
the unix CPU, and an 80186 to load the OS into the chopper. Dual-headed
X11 and a *big* built-in digitizing tablet and puck as a mouse. That
one at least had its own keyboard, and given the source you *might* be
able to re-code the keycaps. The Tek above, while it did have a
workstation version available, I don't have the framebuffer for it, so
it is purely serial port and/or ethernet for terminal operation.

And for the Sun workstations, while you might be able to
re-interpret the keyboard while running under the OS, you would have
problems with certain things which are interpreted below the OS level.
For example, the key combination "L1-A" (or later "Stop-A" -- different
labels on the same key) were used to drop out of the OS to the monitor
ROM (OBP -- Open Boot Prom), and certain other similar combinations
would do things like resetting the CMOS settings to default, and reboot
to single-user mode, and the like. It is hard enough remembering which
do what with the current keycap locations. Add swapping between QWERTY
and Dvorak and you add more confusion.

Oh yes -- And some of my computers expect to be connected to a
Teletype ASR-33 -- and I doubt that you would find a Dvorak keyboard
version of that, either. (Or, anyone who *likes* to type on it. Round
plunger keys which required enough force so you could balance a broom on
a keycap without pressing it hard enough to send a character. :-)

If you can type well with a Querty keyboard, there is not much reason
to change. But I do not have great finger dexterity and never got so
I could touch type with a Querty keyboard. Took me about two months
to get so I could touch type using the Dvorak layout.

And I can type quite well. Getting a computer really speeded up
my typing over the decades.

If you have the time , you might read up on the Sholes ( or querty )
keyboard. Sholes made one of the earliest typewriters. It had no
springs to return the keys , just used gravity. So a fast typist
would jam the keys. So he used software to solve that problem. He
changed the layout so people could not type as fast.

I knew about that. It -- and the Dvorak keyboards were well
written up in the early days of the computer hobby magazines -- Byte,
and Kilobaud.

Dvorak was a U of Washington professor that got a gov contract to
improve the keyboard back in the great depression. The gov was going
to change to the new layout, but world war II came along and large
numbers of the existing model of typewriters were purchased.

Yep -- right idea, wrong time. If it had taken hold, I would
have learned that system (though probably not learned on the old
skeleton typewriter, which predated the invention of the Dvorak
keyboard) -- and computers would come with it by default.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On 2012-05-16, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Jim Wilkins wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Really? DTMF has been around for over four decades, and you
press or punch the number.

Remember the Autovon 'Flash Override' button?


Actually, I never saw an Autovon phone. None of my duty sections
rated one. A very small AFRTS Radio & TV station, and the Weathervision
section at Ft. Rucker. The only suppliers we used outside of regular
supply channels had 800 numbers.

I have some 'phones with the 16-key pad. The markings are
different from the Autovon numbers, but they send the same tone pairs.
I could have taken one in to work, and likely gotten into a lot of
trouble using that button, even though my phones never had it, the
wiring was there for it. :-)

The normal Ma Bell exchanges just ignore all four of those
pairs, of course.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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Seeds, for the garden?

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"John" wrote in message
...

One of my favorite word origins is the word broadcast.
It goes back a lot farther than using it to describe what
radio stations do.

John

When I got my first cell phone, it was bolted to the
wall, inside my van. Handset, bolted to the motor
cover. The sales guy dialed a phone number, hit
send, and then I heard a dial tone. I thought that
was neat. So, yes, I have.

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"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message

Yes, but you still call it dialing, and the tone when you pick up the
phone is called... a dial tone even though you probably havn't used a
dial in thirty years.

And you only hear that dial tone when using a copper connected
land line. Have you *ever* heard a dial tone on a cell phone?

On Wed, 16 May 2012 08:03:01 -0400, the renowned "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

When I got my first cell phone, it was bolted to the
wall, inside my van. Handset, bolted to the motor
cover. The sales guy dialed a phone number, hit
send, and then I heard a dial tone. I thought that
was neat. So, yes, I have.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message

Yes, but you still call it dialing, and the tone when you pick up the
phone is called... a dial tone even though you probably havn't used a
dial in thirty years.

And you only hear that dial tone when using a copper connected
land line. Have you *ever* heard a dial tone on a cell phone?

Not just copper connected land lines. VOIP phones create a dial tone
locally. Supposed to be 350Hz + 440Hz in North America.


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"Michael A. Terrell" on Tue, 15 May 2012
22:48:47 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

John wrote:

One of my favorite word origins is the word broadcast. It goes back a
lot farther than using it to describe what radio stations do.


Use lots of electricty & underpay the poor engineer?

Well, you wouldn't want to underpay the rich engineer? (Or is
that how he became the poor engineer? Won the lottery, and just kept
engineering till the money ran out?)

tschus
pyotr

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does it take to change a lightbulb.

"DoN. Nichols" wrote:

I knew about that. It -- and the Dvorak keyboards were well
written up in the early days of the computer hobby magazines -- Byte,
and Kilobaud.


'Kilobaud' was called 'Kilobyte', before the lawsuit.


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pyotr filipivich wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" on Tue, 15 May 2012
22:48:47 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

John wrote:

One of my favorite word origins is the word broadcast. It goes back a
lot farther than using it to describe what radio stations do.


Use lots of electricty & underpay the poor engineer?

Well, you wouldn't want to underpay the rich engineer? (Or is
that how he became the poor engineer? Won the lottery, and just kept
engineering till the money ran out?)


No. Radio station engineers are mostly contract workers these days.
On a tiny retainer, and are paid time & materials to keep the station
barely patched together. One that I know was working for over a dozen
stations in Central Florida before he told them to shove it, and went to
work for a TV shop, repairing flat screen TVs.


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"Michael A. Terrell" fired this volley in
m:

No. Radio station engineers are mostly contract workers these days.
On a tiny retainer, and are paid time & materials to keep the station
barely patched together. One that I know was working for over a dozen
stations in Central Florida before he told them to shove it, and went
to
work for a TV shop, repairing flat screen TVs.

They are, now. But I remember a day when I was a "broadcaster" in
Central Florida, when there were two ilks of "Chief Engineer" in a radio
station.

One type of guy was a true expert in his field, and usually on contract
with more than one station, so long as they did not compete for audience.

The other was the "goofy geek" type, who gallumphed into the studio
periodically to "tune ****". He had no personality, no particular skills
beyond that which anyone having an FCC ticket at the time had (except he
had a class-A license, which he lorded over the folks who didn't need
one, but could pass the test), and he had absolutely no social skills.

The former came in to fix "real" problems. The latter came in
(frequently) to get paid almost nothing to do somewhat less.

LLoyd

I resemble that..... I have no personality, and many believe
that I have no manners, or social graces.

However, at my building (the church), I stop in and fix
things quietly, without attracting too much attention.

I do other repairs, for my employment. Those, also, with
no personality or graces.

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"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote in message
. 3.70...

One type of guy was a true expert in his field, and usually on contract
with more than one station, so long as they did not compete for audience.

The other was the "goofy geek" type, who gallumphed into the studio
periodically to "tune ****". He had no personality, no particular skills
beyond that which anyone having an FCC ticket at the time had (except he
had a class-A license, which he lorded over the folks who didn't need
one, but could pass the test), and he had absolutely no social skills.

The former came in to fix "real" problems. The latter came in
(frequently) to get paid almost nothing to do somewhat less.

LLoyd

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

"Michael A. on Tue, 15 May 2012
22:48:47 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

John wrote:

One of my favorite word origins is the word broadcast. It goes back a
lot farther than using it to describe what radio stations do.


Use lots of electricty& underpay the poor engineer?

Well, you wouldn't want to underpay the rich engineer? (Or is
that how he became the poor engineer? Won the lottery, and just kept
engineering till the money ran out?)


No. Radio station engineers are mostly contract workers these days.
On a tiny retainer, and are paid time& materials to keep the station
barely patched together. One that I know was working for over a dozen
stations in Central Florida before he told them to shove it, and went to
work for a TV shop, repairing flat screen TVs.



I got out of the industry a long time ago. I had an offer from CBS
but really wasn't interested. I had a couple years experience working
working at a small time station part time in the summer. I held a first
class radiotelephone license since I was 16 and the chief engineer at
the station was in management at CBS so I had a door opened for me. The
life expectancy for engineers in that field was not too good. The
transmitter I ran was an old RCA BTF-10 with a phased locked loop. The
tuning capacitor for the oscillater was driven by a motor which got its
feedback from a discriminator circuit. There was a backup unit that was
crystal controlled but the thing was phase modulated and wasn't as good
of quality audio even with the pre emphasis circuit in place. I got a
whole two bucks an hour for running that station at night.


John

On 16 May 2012 05:07:40 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

[...]



But the old terms DO tend to stick. How many folks call photocopying
"Xeroxing"?

Only those who have not been believably threatened by Xerox. :-)

These expressions sometimes have interesting regional variations. In
UK one "hoovers" the carpets. In Czech republic one "luxuje"
(pronounced "look-soo-ye).

BTW today I saw digital calipers for sale in a big tool shop in the
neighbouring town labelled "vernier calipers". Clearly it is now quite
pervasive. OTOH there should be a difference between a shopkeeper and
a bone fide machinist.

One of my favorite word origins is the word broadcast. It goes back a
lot farther than using it to describe what radio stations do.

I believe that it was applied to seed scattering well before
that.

Until they fell on stony ground...

Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC

On 2012-05-16, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

"DoN. Nichols" wrote:

I knew about that. It -- and the Dvorak keyboards were well
written up in the early days of the computer hobby magazines -- Byte,
and Kilobaud.


'Kilobaud' was called 'Kilobyte', before the lawsuit.

Yes -- but "Kilobyte" was a *proposed* name, and no print run
was ever made using it. And the grounds for the lawsuit was a terrible
cartoon run in Byte under the name "Spar Trek" with a character named
"Kil O'Byte" IIRC. As soon as the magazine name was changed to
"Kilobaud" the cartoon died a well deserved death. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On 2012-05-16, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 08:03:01 -0400, the renowned "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

When I got my first cell phone, it was bolted to the
wall, inside my van. Handset, bolted to the motor
cover. The sales guy dialed a phone number, hit
send, and then I heard a dial tone. I thought that
was neat. So, yes, I have.

O.K. Outside my experience there. :-)

[ ... ]

"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message

Yes, but you still call it dialing, and the tone when you pick up the
phone is called... a dial tone even though you probably havn't used a
dial in thirty years.

And you only hear that dial tone when using a copper connected
land line. Have you *ever* heard a dial tone on a cell phone?

Not just copper connected land lines. VOIP phones create a dial tone
locally. Supposed to be 350Hz + 440Hz in North America.

I've not used VOIP either, so I stand (actually sit) corrected. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.

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"DoN. Nichols" wrote:

On 2012-05-16, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

"DoN. Nichols" wrote:

I knew about that. It -- and the Dvorak keyboards were well
written up in the early days of the computer hobby magazines -- Byte,
and Kilobaud.


'Kilobaud' was called 'Kilobyte', before the lawsuit.

Yes -- but "Kilobyte" was a *proposed* name, and no print run
was ever made using it. And the grounds for the lawsuit was a terrible
cartoon run in Byte under the name "Spar Trek" with a character named
"Kil O'Byte" IIRC. As soon as the magazine name was changed to
"Kilobaud" the cartoon died a well deserved death. :-)


It was called Kilobyte on the first subscription card I saw, and was
used for my first year's subscription.


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"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" fired this volley in
m:

No. Radio station engineers are mostly contract workers these days.
On a tiny retainer, and are paid time & materials to keep the station
barely patched together. One that I know was working for over a dozen
stations in Central Florida before he told them to shove it, and went
to
work for a TV shop, repairing flat screen TVs.

They are, now. But I remember a day when I was a "broadcaster" in
Central Florida, when there were two ilks of "Chief Engineer" in a radio
station.

One type of guy was a true expert in his field, and usually on contract
with more than one station, so long as they did not compete for audience.

The other was the "goofy geek" type, who gallumphed into the studio
periodically to "tune ****". He had no personality, no particular skills
beyond that which anyone having an FCC ticket at the time had (except he
had a class-A license, which he lorded over the folks who didn't need
one, but could pass the test), and he had absolutely no social skills.

The former came in to fix "real" problems. The latter came in
(frequently) to get paid almost nothing to do somewhat less.


I've worked at three TV stations, and one radio station as a full
time engineer. One TV station had two transmitter sites. My time was
split between repairing things that failed, doing PM, installing new
equipment, and sometimes running a camera when no one else was
available. The military station was the worst. You ran the audio &
video consoles, the CCUs and the film chain. You also produced &
directed a daily live newscast. You monitored the AM radio station, set
up live remotes and improvised a lot of equipment that AFRN didn't
supply. Everything was depot level repair, but we weren't allowed to be
off the air, so I ignored orders and fixed anything that needed it. I
went over people's heads to get parts, or made them. Including a
replacement tuner for the off air demod. They wanted to court-martial
me for that one, but they couldn't prove that I'd touched it. Have you
ever made the metal shafts for a TV tuner with nothing but files? :-)

The next station was in Orlando/Orange City. 5 MW EIRP on Ch. 55, and
on a tower that put the antenna 1749' HAAT. 195 KW of Visual & Aural RF
fed into the diplexer, then fed up the waveguide. That station was a
mix of state of the art & 20+ year old equipment, like the RCA TK 46
cameras.

The last station, I built. It went into an old prefab steel building
in Destin. I installed a RCA TTU-25B that was built in 1952. With the
antenna gain, it was capable of 1.3 MW EIRP, but the tower height was
limited, because of the location in the Gulf of Mexico.

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john wrote:

I got out of the industry a long time ago. I had an offer from CBS
but really wasn't interested. I had a couple years experience working
working at a small time station part time in the summer. I held a first
class radiotelephone license since I was 16 and the chief engineer at
the station was in management at CBS so I had a door opened for me. The
life expectancy for engineers in that field was not too good. The
transmitter I ran was an old RCA BTF-10 with a phased locked loop. The
tuning capacitor for the oscillater was driven by a motor which got its
feedback from a discriminator circuit. There was a backup unit that was
crystal controlled but the thing was phase modulated and wasn't as good
of quality audio even with the pre emphasis circuit in place. I got a
whole two bucks an hour for running that station at night.


The Aural section of the TTU-10/TTU-25B series was a standard FM
transmitter exciter with a phase modulator & multipliers. For our use,
the crystal was around 6 MHz, and multiplied to Ch. 58.

I was offered chief engineer at Ch 45, WRGT in Dayton Ohio about 30
years ago. They offered minimum wage for 40 hour a week salary, and you
were on call 24/7. I walked out without finishing the interview.

I interviewed for a job at Ch. 22 in Dayton, and didn't get it. When
I talked to a friend who worked there, I was told that I scared the
chief engineer because I knew more about the equipment than he did. The
Old guy was to retire in two years, and told my friend that they would
fire him, if I went to work there. With all the on air technical
problems they had, I can believe it. The station was a real mess, and
some 'brilliant engineer' had the diplexer installed above the drop tile
ceiling which required it be retuned twice a year, for summer & winter.
That is a lot of delicate brass to be screwing around with.


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"Michael A. Terrell" fired this volley in
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The next station was in Orlando/Orange City. 5 MW EIRP on Ch. 55,
and
on a tower that put the antenna 1749' HAAT. 195 KW of Visual & Aural
RF
fed into the diplexer, then fed up the waveguide. That station was a
mix of state of the art & 20+ year old equipment, like the RCA TK 46
cameras.

Sh**T... that was BRUCE's old transmitter site! He, my Dad, and I worked
with (not for) him for years. He had a TV repair business right under
the tower!

Small world....

LLoyd

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com fired this volley in
. 3.70:

that was BRUCE's old transmitter site!

I should have added (for authenticity), that site was originally on the
south side of DeLand between Orange City and Deland. When they built the
new antenna SW of Orange City (about... what... 1980?), it was (for a
while) the tallest structure in Central Florida, causing havoc with the
air traffic of which I was a part then.

I cannot for the life of me remember Bruce's last name, but he was in
turns the chief engineer for WOOO (1310 AM) radio in DeLand, a TV
repairman (which Dad and I were also), did a stint as a Volusia County
Sheriff's Deputy, and also engineered the county SO's comm. facility.

Small world, indeed.

Lloyd

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote:

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" lloydspinsidemindspring.com fired this volley in
. 3.70:

that was BRUCE's old transmitter site!

I should have added (for authenticity), that site was originally on the
south side of DeLand between Orange City and Deland. When they built the
new antenna SW of Orange City (about... what... 1980?), it was (for a
while) the tallest structure in Central Florida, causing havoc with the
air traffic of which I was a part then.

I cannot for the life of me remember Bruce's last name, but he was in
turns the chief engineer for WOOO (1310 AM) radio in DeLand, a TV
repairman (which Dad and I were also), did a stint as a Volusia County
Sheriff's Deputy, and also engineered the county SO's comm. facility.


Are you thinking about the Ch 2 tower? It is 1200', and on the west
side of 17/92 The Ch 55 tower site was built in the late '80s, and
became the highest tower. It was owned by Texas Towers, nd cost over a
million dollars to build. It had Ch 55, five 'Orlando' FM stations and
the short lived Ch 68. The site was inside a double security fence.
There was a trunking radio system leasing tower space for a while, in
the area reserved for future use, and next to the vault with a bunch of
federal radio systems. The last I heard, only the forestry service
equipment was in use, and all the trunking base station equipment was
abandoned


BTW, the FAA had refused to let Ch. 55 to build a higher tower in
Lisbon, and the FCC wouldn't let them raise the EIRP on the 300 foot
stick. When the land became available in Orange City the FAA allowed
the 1700' tower, and stated that it was a mistake to grant the CP to
build the Ch. 2 tower, and that the tow sites were in a straight line
from the nearest airport, so Ch. 55 could only build to a max of 1750'
HAAT.


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On Mon, 14 May 2012 11:33:50 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote:

(...)

I don't doubt that the digital calipers can *theoretically* produce a
more accurate measurement. But the tips and the general usage of legged
calipers are not good for high-accuracy applications, anyway. They
probably give a false sense of accuracy.

And an unfortunate choice of logo if one is trying to
communicate a sense of accuracy.

http://www.geargather.org/profiles/b...m-what-does-it

--Winston

On 4 Jun 2012 19:41:28 GMT, Winston wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2012 11:33:50 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote:

(...)

I don't doubt that the digital calipers can *theoretically* produce a
more accurate measurement. But the tips and the general usage of legged
calipers are not good for high-accuracy applications, anyway. They
probably give a false sense of accuracy.

And an unfortunate choice of logo if one is trying to
communicate a sense of accuracy.

http://www.geargather.org/profiles/b...m-what-does-it

--Winston

And both of the customers in the world who know that will be troubled
by it, and maybe buy an Infiniti instead. d8-)

My favorite logo of all time was the one Steve Jobs had made for NeXT
Computers. Jobs paid $1.2 million for it. Just for the logo design,
that is.

I was making pretty good money at the time, but I thought,
"sheeee...it. I'm in the wrong business." g

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:50:39 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote:


(...)

And both of the customers in the world who know that will be troubled by
it, and maybe buy an Infiniti instead. d8-)

Perhaps not *both*.

My favorite logo of all time was the one Steve Jobs had made for NeXT
Computers. Jobs paid $1.2 million for it. Just for the logo design, that
is.

She's a beaut.

http://www.logodesignlove.com/images...-paul-rand.jpg

It makes me wonder how much Paul Rand got for the ads that he
featured on his website. Tilting a block on end and pasting
color letters on it is obviously genius.

http://www.paul-rand.com/foundation/ads/#adsN

I was making pretty good money at the time, but I thought, "sheeee...it.
I'm in the wrong business." g

http://www.designobserver.com/images/enronlogo.jpg

Saaay. Wait a minute.

--Winston

"Winston" wrote in message
...
...
http://www.designobserver.com/images/enronlogo.jpg

Saaay. Wait a minute.

--Winston

http://elizabethb12.files.wordpress....dell_logo2.jpg

jsw

On 4 Jun 2012 22:52:38 GMT, Winston wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:50:39 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote:


(...)

And both of the customers in the world who know that will be troubled by
it, and maybe buy an Infiniti instead. d8-)

Perhaps not *both*.

My favorite logo of all time was the one Steve Jobs had made for NeXT
Computers. Jobs paid $1.2 million for it. Just for the logo design, that
is.

She's a beaut.

http://www.logodesignlove.com/images...-paul-rand.jpg

It makes me wonder how much Paul Rand got for the ads that he
featured on his website. Tilting a block on end and pasting
color letters on it is obviously genius.

http://www.paul-rand.com/foundation/ads/#adsN

I was making pretty good money at the time, but I thought, "sheeee...it.
I'm in the wrong business." g

http://www.designobserver.com/images/enronlogo.jpg

Saaay. Wait a minute.

--Winston

See what I mean? It's like throwing a curve ball. It's all in the
wrist.

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:27:18 -0400, Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Winston" wrote in message
...
...
http://www.designobserver.com/images/enronlogo.jpg

Saaay. Wait a minute.

--Winston

http://elizabethb12.files.wordpress....dell_logo2.jpg



Gaaah!

--Winston