On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:09:54 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

Oh, that's prrrettty! I should have mine if it would look that nice.

Pete Keillor wrote:
...
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/TMGroundTable05.jpg

What!? You have your mill in the kitchen? That must be the kitchen -
no shop is ever that clean! BG

Second that, the area is WAY to clean. if you don't send a pic with
oily swarf on it, I won't believe the machine works.

Nice job

Karl

OK, the shop is new and not finished, and it's little. I have no
commercial aspirations. I went out and snapped some pics of it so you
can see some clutter. I'm sure there'll be more as I go. Wife
already says "Why in hell did you paint the floor white?, Oh, well."

http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop.txt
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop01.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop02.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop03.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop04.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop05.jpg

Pete Keillor

"Pete Keillor" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:09:54 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

Oh, that's prrrettty! I should have mine if it would look that nice.

Pete Keillor wrote:
...
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/TMGroundTable05.jpg

What!? You have your mill in the kitchen? That must be the kitchen -
no shop is ever that clean! BG

Second that, the area is WAY to clean. if you don't send a pic with
oily swarf on it, I won't believe the machine works.

Nice job

Karl

OK, the shop is new and not finished, and it's little. I have no
commercial aspirations. I went out and snapped some pics of it so you
can see some clutter. I'm sure there'll be more as I go. Wife
already says "Why in hell did you paint the floor white?, Oh, well."

http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop.txt
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop01.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop02.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop03.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop04.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop05.jpg


Wow! I have rented far worse places to live/eat/sleep! Very tidy. Looks
nothing like a 'shop'.

JB

On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:34:16 -0500, Pete Keillor
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:09:54 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

Oh, that's prrrettty! I should have mine if it would look that nice.

Pete Keillor wrote:
...
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/TMGroundTable05.jpg

What!? You have your mill in the kitchen? That must be the kitchen -
no shop is ever that clean! BG

Second that, the area is WAY to clean. if you don't send a pic with
oily swarf on it, I won't believe the machine works.

Nice job

Karl

OK, the shop is new and not finished, and it's little. I have no
commercial aspirations. I went out and snapped some pics of it so you
can see some clutter. I'm sure there'll be more as I go. Wife
already says "Why in hell did you paint the floor white?, Oh, well."

Potential answers:

1) To **** off the little woman.

2) So you can find dropped things, like Jesus clips.

3) To add to the reflected light, reducing the need for extra
lighting.


LJ--who also has a pure white shop, from floor, to ceiling, and all
walls and doors.

--
And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud
was more painful than the risk it took to blossom.
-- Anaïs Nin

Nice toy , er machine tool, collection.

I think painting it white is a *really* good idea.

Thanks for sharing

Karl

On 3/13/2012 1:17 PM, JB wrote:

I went out and snapped some pics of it so you
can see some clutter.

You call -that- clutter??? My good man, you seem not to know the meaning
of the word.

Couple folks here have seen mine, and it's gotten worse as I try to
truly sort and organize. (ever try to defrag a HD with 1% available free
space?)

I'd post a picture, but frankly it's far too embarrassing....


Jon

Pete Keillor wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:09:54 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

Oh, that's prrrettty! I should have mine if it would look that nice.

Pete Keillor wrote:
...
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/TMGroundTable05.jpg

What!? You have your mill in the kitchen? That must be the kitchen -
no shop is ever that clean! BG

Second that, the area is WAY to clean. if you don't send a pic with
oily swarf on it, I won't believe the machine works.

Nice job

Karl

That picture looks like the one in the local school. We went though for
an inspection/preplan look a couple weeks ago. The "industrial arts"
classroom had a total of 1 drill press, one table saw, a HUGE old bench
grinder (looked like it would handle a 16" wheel but they had tiny 8"
ones on it) and a small wood lathe, No welding gear, no metal working
gear larger than a pair of tin snips and a couple files.

Then we went into the other half of the room. It had two rows of
computers ONLY. Talked to the guide (who is one of our guys who works
there) and he says they basically build pre made kits like tool boxes
and birdhouses and are shown how to run the other tools but they
generally don't use them. Instead they lead CAD drawing...

Then this same school wonders why things in the school are falling apart
and "nobody makes the parts locally"

I remember having a gas forge, Bridgeport, nice Clausing lathe with
plenty of tooling, horizontal band saw, shaper, stick, gas and MIG gear.
Racks full of steel and wood. Tools to do leather work, sheet metal
work, glass work (including blown glass) and more. Then there was the
wood shop section with two table saws, band saw, jig saws belt/disc
sanders and even a long belt table sander.

When they sold off the equipment they didn't announce it, they let a
select few know. Those folks grabbed the stuff dirt cheap.
--
Steve W.

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Pete Keillor wrote:

Other stuff snipped


That picture looks like the one in the local school. We went though
for an inspection/preplan look a couple weeks ago. The "industrial
arts" classroom had a total of 1 drill press, one table saw, a HUGE
old bench grinder (looked like it would handle a 16" wheel but they
had tiny 8" ones on it) and a small wood lathe, No welding gear, no
metal working gear larger than a pair of tin snips and a couple files.

Then we went into the other half of the room. It had two rows of
computers ONLY. Talked to the guide (who is one of our guys who works
there) and he says they basically build pre made kits like tool boxes
and birdhouses and are shown how to run the other tools but they
generally don't use them. Instead they lead CAD drawing...

Then this same school wonders why things in the school are falling
apart and "nobody makes the parts locally"

I remember having a gas forge, Bridgeport, nice Clausing lathe with
plenty of tooling, horizontal band saw, shaper, stick, gas and MIG
gear. Racks full of steel and wood. Tools to do leather work, sheet
metal work, glass work (including blown glass) and more. Then there
was the wood shop section with two table saws, band saw, jig saws
belt/disc sanders and even a long belt table sander.

When they sold off the equipment they didn't announce it, they let a
select few know. Those folks grabbed the stuff dirt cheap.

I hear that. One of the major areas of change in schools is the emphasis
on Science, Techology, Engineering and Math (STEM) and as a result the
push is to teach theoretical design and manufacturing as opposed to
applied methods. School districts love it because it is cheaper and plays
well to the public (look at all the computers, it must be high tech!)

The problem, IMHO is that we are creating a great number of grads who
think that they know how to do things with only the ability to tell
someone what they think they know (and in many cases don't). It is one
thing to create a part on a CADD system that looks great. It is quite
another to physically create that part (in my opinion, the hardest part
with all the associated problem solving necessary). I am reminded of the
lamentations of a progressive die designer, with whom I worked several
years ago, in having to deal with a design engineer who insisted on
square corners on sheet metal parts. His complaint was that the parts
were very well designed, just not manufacturable in the real world.

On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:21:48 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:34:16 -0500, Pete Keillor
wrote:

http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop02.jpg

Oh very very very nice!

However...might I make a suggestion visa vis that Hardinge miller?

Sheet metal the walls in that corner. Or even some formica?

It should be at least 6' tall and several feet to the front of the
cutter plane. Sooner or later you are going to start spraying coolant
and chips on that sheetrock and its not going to be a pretty thing.

And the same with the wall behind the Hardinge chucker.

And the drill press. The Logan shaper wont be too bad to its rear,
until you lube it while under power.

Ive been in many many dozens of home hobby shops..and of course in my
duties in commercial shops..and the walls behind the machines really
really take a beating if they are not covered with something. A buddy
found some corregated roofing and very nicely lined the walls behind his
machines, which made it very easy to clean and looks rather nice....when
he gets around to scraping off the chips and oil. But it certainly
protects the walls nicely.


Gunner

Good idea, thanks Gunner. I'll do something white, either painted
sheet metal or formica.

By the way, metal stock, the gas forge, anvil, and usually the engine
crane and cutting rig stay in the garage. The shop is too small to
store a lot of stuff. I'm going to weld up a cart on casters to hold
machine vises, indexers, etc. And a couple to hold small bits of stock
(which is what I use a lot) attached to a couple of hardwood furniture
dollies to roll under the bench.

All of the rolling stuff can leave if I decide to build a boat.

Pete Keillor

On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:34:16 PM UTC-7, Pete K. wrote:


http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop.txt
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop01.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop02.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop03.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop04.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop05.jpg

Pete Keillor

I don't need a shop, I need a warehouse.
The mill, lathe, welder, bandsaw, ect only take up a little space. It is all the tooling, materials, and projects that make me a candidate for Hoarders.

In article ,
Pete Keillor wrote:
Wife
already says "Why in hell did you paint the floor white?, Oh, well."

I painted my floor white because it reflects more light, and I need all
I can get. I don't expect it to remain pristine (it hasn't) but it's a
much nicer place to work than most of the red/gray/bare concrete
dusty-grey places I've worked in. And being fairly boring paint rather
than some fancy epoxy crap, if it gets too dirty, scrub well and add
another coat. Flat white because I don't like to fall on my keister and
have had a few bad glossy floor paint experiences in the past. Flat
white recoats better and sweeps better than gloss-with-sand.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile and ignore them so they will go away.

Looks very nice and organized!

i

On 2012-03-13, Pete Keillor wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:09:54 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

Oh, that's prrrettty! I should have mine if it would look that nice.

Pete Keillor wrote:
...
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/TMGroundTable05.jpg

What!? You have your mill in the kitchen? That must be the kitchen -
no shop is ever that clean! BG

Second that, the area is WAY to clean. if you don't send a pic with
oily swarf on it, I won't believe the machine works.

Nice job

Karl

OK, the shop is new and not finished, and it's little. I have no
commercial aspirations. I went out and snapped some pics of it so you
can see some clutter. I'm sure there'll be more as I go. Wife
already says "Why in hell did you paint the floor white?, Oh, well."

http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop.txt
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop01.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop02.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop03.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop04.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop05.jpg

Pete Keillor

On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:26:23 -0500, Ignoramus32673
wrote:

Looks very nice and organized!

i

Thanks Ig.

Pete

On 2012-03-13, Pete Keillor wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:09:54 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
wrote:

Oh, that's prrrettty! I should have mine if it would look that nice.

Pete Keillor wrote:
...
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/TMGroundTable05.jpg

What!? You have your mill in the kitchen? That must be the kitchen -
no shop is ever that clean! BG

Second that, the area is WAY to clean. if you don't send a pic with
oily swarf on it, I won't believe the machine works.

Nice job

Karl

OK, the shop is new and not finished, and it's little. I have no
commercial aspirations. I went out and snapped some pics of it so you
can see some clutter. I'm sure there'll be more as I go. Wife
already says "Why in hell did you paint the floor white?, Oh, well."

http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop.txt
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop01.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop02.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop03.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop04.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/PetesShop05.jpg

Pete Keillor

On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:31:45 -0800
Jon Anderson wrote:

On 3/13/2012 1:17 PM, JB wrote:

I went out and snapped some pics of it so you
can see some clutter.

You call -that- clutter??? My good man, you seem not to know the meaning
of the word.

Couple folks here have seen mine, and it's gotten worse as I try to
truly sort and organize. (ever try to defrag a HD with 1% available free
space?)

I'd post a picture, but frankly it's far too embarrassing....

What, you still have room enough to take picts? Lucky you ;-)

I feel the same way, too embarrassed...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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Jon Anderson wrote:


Couple folks here have seen mine, and it's gotten worse as I try to
truly sort and organize. (ever try to defrag a HD with 1% available free
space?)


A better analogy would be 'The moving hole theory'. ;-)


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:31:14 -0400, Ecnerwal
wrote:

In article ,
SNIP
I painted my floor white because it reflects more light, and I need all
I can get.

SNIP

Yeah, me too. I have 2 shops of 24' X 24' each. I couldn't move much
stuff to get at the floors though, so I only needed a white magic
marker to get it all done. But I'm jealous Pete!!!
hahahaha

Brian Lawson.

"Michael A. Terrell" on Thu, 15 Mar 2012
21:11:45 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Jon Anderson wrote:


Couple folks here have seen mine, and it's gotten worse as I try to
truly sort and organize. (ever try to defrag a HD with 1% available free
space?)


A better analogy would be 'The moving hole theory'. ;-)

That is a massive project. Better to get a same size (or larger)
external drive, move as much as you can to it. then defrag the
original disc. Then copy back from the external. I recommend
Robocopy.exe - it is like xcopy only with some more (smarter) options.
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

pyotr filipivich wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" on Thu, 15 Mar 2012
21:11:45 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Jon Anderson wrote:


Couple folks here have seen mine, and it's gotten worse as I try to
truly sort and organize. (ever try to defrag a HD with 1% available free
space?)


A better analogy would be 'The moving hole theory'. ;-)

That is a massive project. Better to get a same size (or larger)
external drive, move as much as you can to it. then defrag the
original disc. Then copy back from the external. I recommend
Robocopy.exe - it is like xcopy only with some more (smarter) options.


Years ago I stoped at a radio station that owed me money. They said
their computer was so slow that it took an hour to boot up and load
thier bookkeeping software. They just shrugged when I asked when was
the last time it was defragged so I asked if I could take a look at it
and found the problem right away. There was only one unused sector left
on the 40 MB drive. I looked at all their software and nothing required
the Windows 3.0, so I deleted it and told them that if they had written
that check, the system wouldn't have been able to boot. They ran that
Compaq portable for three or four more years, before the drive started
to fail, but never ran out of space again.

--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.