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I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. USPS says no batteries, how
about UPS? Anyone know? Their site is full of stuff banned. This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. Steve |
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Helpless Steve B:
I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? Anyone know? Their site is full of stuff banned. This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. Steve On their page http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/index.jsx it's hard not to find the link to "Safely Packing Lithium Batteries Is Critical" http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/about/news/service_updates/20091007_batteries.html Lithium is not NiMH, but it is a battery type, and I'm not you, so I read it. It says "If you ship packages containing batteries, whether by ground or air, it is your responsibility to make sure they are packaged correctly and ensure they comply with all applicable regulations." Hmmm... UPS says if you ship packages with batteries, it is your responsibility to package them correctly. From that, I would guess that shipping batteries is not prohibited by UPS. |
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"Sent data:" wrote in message ... Helpless Steve B: I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? Anyone know? Their site is full of stuff banned. This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. Steve On their page http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/index.jsx it's hard not to find the link to "Safely Packing Lithium Batteries Is Critical" http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/about/news/service_updates/20091007_batteries.html Lithium is not NiMH, but it is a battery type, and I'm not you, so I read it. It says "If you ship packages containing batteries, whether by ground or air, it is your responsibility to make sure they are packaged correctly and ensure they comply with all applicable regulations." Hmmm... UPS says if you ship packages with batteries, it is your responsibility to package them correctly. From that, I would guess that shipping batteries is not prohibited by UPS. That is what I read, and you can see my confusion Yes, you can. No, you can't. Steve |
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On 2/19/2012 10:11 PM, Steve B wrote:
I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? Anyone know? Their site is full of stuff banned. This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. I routinely receive non-LiH batteries from rebuilders and in/with tools from Amazon via USPS so I can't think they're banned. They do require packaging and may be required to be marked "ground only" altho I'm not positive about that. It's Li batteries that have the outright ban for anything over like 1 g./cell, etc., ... It is pretty clear one of the reasons USPS is going broke though--they have so many restrictions on what can be shipped obviously folks go the easier route to "get 'er done".... -- |
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"dpb" wrote in message ... On 2/19/2012 10:11 PM, Steve B wrote: I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? Anyone know? Their site is full of stuff banned. This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. I routinely receive non-LiH batteries from rebuilders and in/with tools from Amazon via USPS so I can't think they're banned. They do require packaging and may be required to be marked "ground only" altho I'm not positive about that. It's Li batteries that have the outright ban for anything over like 1 g./cell, etc., ... It is pretty clear one of the reasons USPS is going broke though--they have so many restrictions on what can be shipped obviously folks go the easier route to "get 'er done".... "Neither workers nor our unions caused this crisis." "In 2006, Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. This law requires the Postal Service to do something that no other business or government agency has to do-pre-fund its FUTURE retiree health care benefits. This is a 75 year liability that has to be paid in 10 years. The Postal Service makes a payment of approximately $5.5 billion on September 30 at the end of every fiscal year to meet this obligation. The Post Office has been paying these benefits the past four years into a trust fund for employees who have not even been born yet. This is the burden that is creating the "financial crisis" for the Post Office. The recession that has gripped America the past few years has undoubtedly affected the Postal Service, but even in the worst economic times since the great depression, the USPS has had a net profit of $611 million dollars. Unfortunately, the red ink associated with the post office is the mandated pre-funding since 2006." http://my.firedoglake.com/kaytillow/...postal-crisis/ "Mr. Nader points out that the $103.7 billion prefunding mandate is something that, "no other government or private corporation is required to do and is an incredibly unreasonable burden." "He continues by revealing that without this onerous prepayment provision, "the USPS would not have a net deficiency of nearly $20 billion, but instead be in the black by at least $1.5 billion." http://www.nader.org/index.php?/arch...t-Offices.html HTH |
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On 2/20/2012 2:48 PM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
.... "In 2006, Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. ... That's part but not all. If the RHBF payment schedule in the PAEA hadn't been implemented at all, it would have simply been kicking the can down the road (similar to the bind SS is going to be in shortly). Whether it was too aggressive can be argued...about the best overall analysis I've seen is in a Congressional Research Report R41024 http://www.crs.gov/R41024.pdf -- |
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On 02/19/2012 10:11 PM, Steve B wrote:
I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? Anyone know? Their site is full of stuff banned. This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. Steve Dunno about nimh but I ship SLA (sealed lead acid), AKA "gell cell" via UPS almost daily. technomaNge -- |
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On 02/20/2012 06:32 AM, Steve B wrote:
That is what I read, and you can see my confusion Yes, you can. No, you can't. Steve I did not read "no you can't" anywhere, nor did you. Must be that PTSD in action! You're reacting to the imminent inflight fire that occured because you did a lousy job packing the item. -- Beryl said this. |
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"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote:
Something with out line breakers, that as a result was unreadable jk |
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dpb wrote: On 2/19/2012 10:11 PM, Steve B wrote: I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? Anyone know? Their site is full of stuff banned. This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. I routinely receive non-LiH batteries from rebuilders and in/with tools from Amazon via USPS so I can't think they're banned. They do require packaging and may be required to be marked "ground only" altho I'm not positive about that. It's Li batteries that have the outright ban for anything over like 1 g./cell, etc., ... It is pretty clear one of the reasons USPS is going broke though--they have so many restrictions on what can be shipped obviously folks go the easier route to "get 'er done".... Except for dry ice... It's easier and cheaper to use USPS to ship frozen cheesecakes packed with dry ice... They can even go air, but must have a DOT 9 hazmat label, shippers declaration and no more than 5# of dry ice per package. No extra charges like UPS either. |
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"technomaNge" wrote in message ... On 02/19/2012 10:11 PM, Steve B wrote: I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? Anyone know? Their site is full of stuff banned. This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. Steve Dunno about nimh but I ship SLA (sealed lead acid), AKA "gell cell" via UPS almost daily. technomaNge I'm going to tape up the terminals and ship it and claim ignorance if it is found. Hell, they can't find shipments of marijane or coke even with all their tekkie stuff. A battery that's wrapped in tape shouldn't be a big deal. And it's going to the next town over, not on an airliner. Steve |
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"Sent data:" wrote in message ... On 02/20/2012 06:32 AM, Steve B wrote: That is what I read, and you can see my confusion Yes, you can. No, you can't. Steve I did not read "no you can't" anywhere, nor did you. Must be that PTSD in action! You're reacting to the imminent inflight fire that occured because you did a lousy job packing the item. -- Beryl said this. Send further when you regain lucidity....................... over and out ................ roger ....................... wilco ....................... |
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"Steve B" wrote in message . .. "technomaNge" wrote in message ... On 02/19/2012 10:11 PM, Steve B wrote: I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? Anyone know? Their site is full of stuff banned. This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. Steve Dunno about nimh but I ship SLA (sealed lead acid), AKA "gell cell" via UPS almost daily. technomaNge I'm going to tape up the terminals and ship it and claim ignorance if it is found. Just so you know....it was incredibly stupid of you to post your intentions here on usenet. |
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:33:39 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
wrote: "Steve B" wrote in message . .. "technomaNge" wrote in message ... On 02/19/2012 10:11 PM, Steve B wrote: I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? Anyone know? Their site is full of stuff banned. This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. Steve Dunno about nimh but I ship SLA (sealed lead acid), AKA "gell cell" via UPS almost daily. technomaNge I'm going to tape up the terminals and ship it and claim ignorance if it is found. Just so you know....it was incredibly stupid of you to post your intentions here on usenet. You mean, like, if it brings down an aircraft? |
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"Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:33:39 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT" wrote: "Steve B" wrote in message . .. "technomaNge" wrote in message ... On 02/19/2012 10:11 PM, Steve B wrote: I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? Anyone know? Their site is full of stuff banned. This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. Steve Dunno about nimh but I ship SLA (sealed lead acid), AKA "gell cell" via UPS almost daily. technomaNge I'm going to tape up the terminals and ship it and claim ignorance if it is found. Just so you know....it was incredibly stupid of you to post your intentions here on usenet. You mean, like, if it brings down an aircraft? Yeah, something like that... |
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On Feb 20, 2:48*pm, "PrecisionmachinisT"
wrote: "dpb" wrote in .... On 2/19/2012 10:11 PM, Steve B wrote: I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. *USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? *Anyone know? *Their site is full of stuff banned. *This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. I routinely receive non-LiH batteries from rebuilders and in/with tools from Amazon via USPS so I can't think they're banned. They do require packaging and may be required to be marked "ground only" altho I'm not positive about that. It's Li batteries that have the outright ban for anything over like 1 g./cell, etc., ... It is pretty clear one of the reasons USPS is going broke though--they have so many restrictions on what can be shipped obviously folks go the easier route to "get 'er done".... "Neither workers nor our unions caused this crisis." "In 2006, Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. *This law requires the Postal Service to do something that no other business or government agency has to do-pre-fund its FUTURE retiree health care benefits. *This is a 75 year liability that has to be paid in 10 years. *The Postal Service makes a payment of approximately $5.5 billion on September 30 at the end of every fiscal year to meet this obligation. *The Post Office has been paying these benefits the past four years into a trust fund for employees who have not even been born yet. *This is the burden that is creating the "financial crisis" for the Post Office. *The recession that has gripped America the past few years has undoubtedly affected the Postal Service, but even in the worst economic times since the great depression, the USPS has had a net profit of $611 million dollars. *Unfortunately, the red ink associated with the post office is the mandated pre-funding since 2006." http://my.firedoglake.com/kaytillow/...e-real-story-b... "Mr. Nader points out that the $103.7 billion prefunding mandate is something that, "no other government or private corporation is required to do and is an incredibly unreasonable burden." "He continues by revealing that without this onerous prepayment provision, "the USPS would not have a net deficiency of nearly $20 billion, but instead be in the black by at least $1.5 billion." http://www.nader.org/index.php?/arch...s-Postal-Servi... HTH- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Prepaying should be the NORM. TMT |
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On Feb 20, 9:29*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"technomaNge" wrote in message ... On 02/19/2012 10:11 PM, Steve B wrote: I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. *USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? *Anyone know? *Their site is full of stuff banned. *This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. Steve Dunno about nimh but I ship SLA (sealed lead acid), AKA "gell cell" via UPS almost daily. technomaNge I'm going to tape up the terminals and ship it and claim ignorance if it is found. *Hell, they can't find shipments of marijane or coke even with all their tekkie stuff. *A battery that's wrapped in tape shouldn't be a big deal. *And it's going to the next town over, not on an airliner. Steve No problem...unless it explodes/burns and then you will be considered a terrorist and jailed. Be sure to send us your address so we can send you a cordless file (batteries optional) to escape. TMT |
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On Feb 22, 3:33*pm, "PrecisionmachinisT"
wrote: "Steve B" wrote in er.com... "technomaNge" wrote in message ... On 02/19/2012 10:11 PM, Steve B wrote: I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. *USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? *Anyone know? *Their site is full of stuff banned. *This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. Steve Dunno about nimh but I ship SLA (sealed lead acid), AKA "gell cell" via UPS almost daily. technomaNge I'm going to tape up the terminals and ship it and claim ignorance if it is found. Just so you know....it was incredibly stupid of you to post your intentions here on usenet.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You mean like Gummer posts death threats? TMT |
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On Feb 22, 4:28*pm, "PrecisionmachinisT"
wrote: "Spehro Pefhany" wrote in messagenews:oboak75icemvrjdic1vt1r2efe2s8478c5@4ax .com... On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:33:39 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT" wrote: "Steve B" wrote in er.com... "technomaNge" wrote in message ... On 02/19/2012 10:11 PM, Steve B wrote: I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. *USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? *Anyone know? *Their site is full of stuff banned. *This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. Steve Dunno about nimh but I ship SLA (sealed lead acid), AKA "gell cell" via UPS almost daily. technomaNge I'm going to tape up the terminals and ship it and claim ignorance if it is found. Just so you know....it was incredibly stupid of you to post your intentions here on usenet. You mean, like, if it brings down an aircraft? Yeah, something like that...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But it makes life much easier for the FBI... TMT |
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On Feb 19, 10:48*pm, Sent data: wrote:
Helpless Steve B: I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. *USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? *Anyone know? *Their site is full of stuff banned. *This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. Steve On their page http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/index.jsx it's hard not to find the link to "Safely Packing Lithium Batteries Is Critical" http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/about/news/service_updates/20091007_... Lithium is not NiMH, but it is a battery type, and I'm not you, so I read it. It says "If you ship packages containing batteries, whether by ground or air, it is your responsibility to make sure they are packaged correctly and ensure they comply with all applicable regulations." Hmmm... *UPS says if you ship packages with batteries, it is your responsibility to package them correctly. From that, I would guess that shipping batteries is not prohibited by UPS. Did you hear about the smokeless cigarette that blew up recently? I am guesssing a lithium battery. Cell phones and Ipads have blown up too. TMT |
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:49:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
wrote: On Feb 22, 4:28Â*pm, "PrecisionmachinisT" wrote: "Spehro Pefhany" wrote in messagenews:oboak75icemvrjdic1vt1r2efe2s8478c5@4ax .com... On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:33:39 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT" wrote: "Steve B" wrote in er.com... "technomaNge" wrote in message ... On 02/19/2012 10:11 PM, Steve B wrote: I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. Â*USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? Â*Anyone know? Â*Their site is full of stuff banned. Â*This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. Steve Dunno about nimh but I ship SLA (sealed lead acid), AKA "gell cell" via UPS almost daily. technomaNge I'm going to tape up the terminals and ship it and claim ignorance if it is found. Just so you know....it was incredibly stupid of you to post your intentions here on usenet. You mean, like, if it brings down an aircraft? Yeah, something like that...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But it makes life much easier for the FBI... TMT FAA and NTSB |
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Is the prohibition also on "brown" shipments, aka ground?
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On Feb 22, 9:07*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:49:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools wrote: On Feb 22, 4:28*pm, "PrecisionmachinisT" wrote: "Spehro Pefhany" wrote in messagenews:oboak75icemvrjdic1vt1r2efe2s8478c5@4ax .com... On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:33:39 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT" wrote: "Steve B" wrote in er.com... "technomaNge" wrote in message ... On 02/19/2012 10:11 PM, Steve B wrote: I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. *USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? *Anyone know? *Their site is full of stuff banned.. *This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. Steve Dunno about nimh but I ship SLA (sealed lead acid), AKA "gell cell" via UPS almost daily. technomaNge I'm going to tape up the terminals and ship it and claim ignorance if it is found. Just so you know....it was incredibly stupid of you to post your intentions here on usenet. You mean, like, if it brings down an aircraft? Yeah, something like that...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But it makes life much easier for the FBI... TMT FAA and NTSB- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Correct...along with a number of other acronyms. And the FBI. TMT |
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"David Lesher" wrote in message ... Is the prohibition also on "brown" shipments, aka ground? IIRC, there are different rules for "contract shippers", and ground shipments that are labeled "ground only". The city I am shipping is 138 miles away. Not likely it will go air.. So, the paranoid can relax. And those with reading comprehension issues can just keep working on it. Steve |
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:50:44 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
wrote: On Feb 19, 10:48*pm, Sent data: wrote: Helpless Steve B: I want to send a friend a DeWalt 18v. drill. *USPS says no batteries, how about UPS? *Anyone know? *Their site is full of stuff banned. *This is the regular drycell nimh battery, attached to the drill. Steve On their page http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/index.jsx it's hard not to find the link to "Safely Packing Lithium Batteries Is Critical" http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/about/news/service_updates/20091007_... Lithium is not NiMH, but it is a battery type, and I'm not you, so I read it. It says "If you ship packages containing batteries, whether by ground or air, it is your responsibility to make sure they are packaged correctly and ensure they comply with all applicable regulations." Hmmm... *UPS says if you ship packages with batteries, it is your responsibility to package them correctly. From that, I would guess that shipping batteries is not prohibited by UPS. Did you hear about the smokeless cigarette that blew up recently? I am guesssing a lithium battery. Cell phones and Ipads have blown up too. TMT Sometimes I ship stuff by air from Asia with (thousands of) batteries installed. They require a breakdown of the chemistry used in the cells, as well as assurance that the batteries are properly packaged (shrink wrapped so they can't short). And even with that, I think they go in cargo-only aircraft, judging by the stickers I've seen. OTOH, Asian e-bay sellers and website stores frequently lie about what's in packages and send them by air all the time- marking (dangerous) Li laptop batteries and cellphone batteries as harmless chargers and so on. IMHO (as a not so humble licensed engineer), it's only a matter of time before an aircraft goes down and many people die. |
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"J. Clarke" wrote: In article , says... Is the prohibition also on "brown" shipments, aka ground? I really don't understand what you people are all on about. Per USPS 348.22 (b), "Batteries. Mailable batteries include: Common household dry-cell batteries such as sizes AA, AAA, C, D, etc. are generally not regulated as hazardous materials and are therefore mailable. Packaging requirements in DMM 601.1?8 apply.". Generally speaking a power tool battery is made up of a group of "common household dry-cell batteries" and so would come under this classification. They aren't 'common'. They use different chemistry that can easily start fires. You don't find a 24 pack of power tool batteries for under $10. -- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense. |
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"J. Clarke" wrote: In article , says... "J. Clarke" wrote: In article , says... Is the prohibition also on "brown" shipments, aka ground? I really don't understand what you people are all on about. Per USPS 348.22 (b), "Batteries. Mailable batteries include: Common household dry-cell batteries such as sizes AA, AAA, C, D, etc. are generally not regulated as hazardous materials and are therefore mailable. Packaging requirements in DMM 601.1?8 apply.". Generally speaking a power tool battery is made up of a group of "common household dry-cell batteries" and so would come under this classification. They aren't 'common'. They use different chemistry that can easily start fires. You don't find a 24 pack of power tool batteries for under $10. How does a NiMH power tool battery "use different chemistry" from an Energizer or Rayovac NiMH that you buy in packs of 4 at Walmart? Alkaline are still the most common battery type, followed by Carbon Zinc. And if you have ever taken a power tool battery apart you will know that it is assembled from standard cells, typically 1/2AA. No, I've repaired the battery packs since the '70s, without opening them. You seem to be assuming that all power tool batteries are lithium ion which is simply not the case. You seem to be assuming that you can read my mind and you can't. Why do you think rechargeable cells are shipped discharged? -- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense. |
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In article ,
says... "J. Clarke" wrote: In article , says... "J. Clarke" wrote: In article , says... Is the prohibition also on "brown" shipments, aka ground? I really don't understand what you people are all on about. Per USPS 348.22 (b), "Batteries. Mailable batteries include: Common household dry-cell batteries such as sizes AA, AAA, C, D, etc. are generally not regulated as hazardous materials and are therefore mailable. Packaging requirements in DMM 601.1?8 apply.". Generally speaking a power tool battery is made up of a group of "common household dry-cell batteries" and so would come under this classification. They aren't 'common'. They use different chemistry that can easily start fires. You don't find a 24 pack of power tool batteries for under $10. How does a NiMH power tool battery "use different chemistry" from an Energizer or Rayovac NiMH that you buy in packs of 4 at Walmart? Alkaline are still the most common battery type, followed by Carbon Zinc. The postal service doesn't say "only the most common". And if you have ever taken a power tool battery apart you will know that it is assembled from standard cells, typically 1/2AA. No, I've repaired the battery packs since the '70s, without opening them. You seem to be assuming that all power tool batteries are lithium ion which is simply not the case. You seem to be assuming that you can read my mind and you can't. Why do you think rechargeable cells are shipped discharged? You seem to be a jackass. plonk |
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"J. Clarke" wrote: In article , says... "J. Clarke" wrote: In article , says... "J. Clarke" wrote: In article , says... Is the prohibition also on "brown" shipments, aka ground? I really don't understand what you people are all on about. Per USPS 348.22 (b), "Batteries. Mailable batteries include: Common household dry-cell batteries such as sizes AA, AAA, C, D, etc. are generally not regulated as hazardous materials and are therefore mailable. Packaging requirements in DMM 601.1?8 apply.". Generally speaking a power tool battery is made up of a group of "common household dry-cell batteries" and so would come under this classification. They aren't 'common'. They use different chemistry that can easily start fires. You don't find a 24 pack of power tool batteries for under $10. How does a NiMH power tool battery "use different chemistry" from an Energizer or Rayovac NiMH that you buy in packs of 4 at Walmart? Alkaline are still the most common battery type, followed by Carbon Zinc. The postal service doesn't say "only the most common". And if you have ever taken a power tool battery apart you will know that it is assembled from standard cells, typically 1/2AA. No, I've repaired the battery packs since the '70s, without opening them. You seem to be assuming that all power tool batteries are lithium ion which is simply not the case. You seem to be assuming that you can read my mind and you can't. Why do you think rechargeable cells are shipped discharged? You seem to be a jackass. plonk Typical. You can't answer the question, so you plonk someone. -- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense. |
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