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"Atlas Shrugged": From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years
On 7/24/2011 4:59 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 18:37:35 -0700, Hawke wrote: On 7/23/2011 5:49 PM, wrote: On Jul 20, 6:05 pm, Shall not be infringedhot-ham-and- wrote: Even people who are philosophically opposed to these programs take advantage of them. It's human nature. In my opinion those that are opposed to these programs do not take advantage of them. They just try to recoup some of what they have lost by having to be in the programs. Dan Dan, these people don't believe in having these programs for anyone. That belief is based on the idea that you take care of yourself. Conservatives think it's your responsibility to provide for your own retirement and they think they are better able to make a living than others can. It's a kind of conceit. They think they will earn lots of money and won't need help from the government when they are old. Their whole life is based on the belief that you can take care of yourself and that the government should stay out of helping people in their retirement. Don't you think it's hypocritical for someone who thinks like that to turn around and take from the government when all along they have tried to destroy or dismantle those programs? They foolishly thought they would never need those programs. How wrong they were indeed. Those who take from the government after trying to stop those programs all their lives are not doing it to recoup funds they paid in. They're doing it because they need the help. They never thought it would be them who couldn't provide for themselves. They always thought it was the inferior people who wouldn't be able to care for themselves. The fact is these people were wrong all their lives and only in old age actually discovered the error of their ways. Unfortunately, instead of coming out and publicly admitting their previous thinking was wrong, they try to surreptitiously join the programs that they learned they really did need to live. Which only adds cowardice to their list of shortcomings. Hawke I think that what you are saying is they conservatives believe that they can take care of themselves while the left hand folks believe that they are unable to fend for themselves and need someone else to take care of them. Conservatives mistakenly think they can provide for themselves, that's true. They are a conceited and cocky bunch. The fact is most of them can't when the game is over. Without Social Security most conservatives would not be able to support themselves. That's a fact, Jack. Liberals understand that we do better if we work as a team and have the strong help the weak. Conservatives always like to thing they're the strong but in reality they're no better than anyone else. All you have to do is look at the numbers and you see conservatives don't do any better than anyone else when to comes to paying for their retirement. They're in the same boat as everybody else. In fact, look at the "red states" they're filled with poor conservative people. They all need help. Hawke |
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