Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
pyotr filipivich wrote:
I got this in the Email: Manufacturing Job Fair Come meet companies with job openings · Bring your resume · Dress professionally · Prepare to interview Great, cool, groovy. But what does it mean "dress professionally"? Simple. Don't be over 20 years of age when you arrive. :) --Winston |
Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
Winston on Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:11:14 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: pyotr filipivich wrote: I got this in the Email: Manufacturing Job Fair Come meet companies with job openings · Bring your resume · Dress professionally · Prepare to interview Great, cool, groovy. But what does it mean "dress professionally"? Simple. Don't be over 20 years of age when you arrive. So tiny braids in the greybeard is prpbably not on? :) --Winston -- pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
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Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
pyotr filipivich wrote:
on Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:11:14 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: pyotr filipivich wrote: (...) Great, cool, groovy. But what does it mean "dress professionally"? Simple. Don't be over 20 years of age when you arrive. So tiny braids in the greybeard is prpbably not on? No problem. Just leave grandpappy and his braids in the car. :) --Winston |
Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:11:30 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Winston on Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:11:14 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: pyotr filipivich wrote: I got this in the Email: Manufacturing Job Fair Come meet companies with job openings · Bring your resume · Dress professionally · Prepare to interview Great, cool, groovy. But what does it mean "dress professionally"? Simple. Don't be over 20 years of age when you arrive. So tiny braids in the greybeard is prpbably not on? Right. Either one. wink -- Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any one thing. -- Abraham Lincoln |
Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:11:30 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Winston on Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:11:14 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: pyotr filipivich wrote: I got this in the Email: Manufacturing Job Fair Come meet companies with job openings · Bring your resume · Dress professionally · Prepare to interview Great, cool, groovy. But what does it mean "dress professionally"? Simple. Don't be over 20 years of age when you arrive. So tiny braids in the greybeard is prpbably not on? :) --Winston Nor is a pony tail and a gold skull and crossbones pierced earring? Damn. -- Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head. |
Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
Gunner Asch on Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:26:15 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:11:30 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote: Winston on Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:11:14 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: pyotr filipivich wrote: I got this in the Email: Manufacturing Job Fair Come meet companies with job openings · Bring your resume · Dress professionally · Prepare to interview Great, cool, groovy. But what does it mean "dress professionally"? Simple. Don't be over 20 years of age when you arrive. So tiny braids in the greybeard is prpbably not on? :) --Winston Nor is a pony tail and a gold skull and crossbones pierced earring? All depends. I heard of a guy who wrote out his resume in pencil, on a kid's tablet. Went to the interview in jeans, tee shirt, and articulated 'Day of the Dead' skeleton earring (back when such things were still fringe.) I understand he did rake out the beard and pony tale. They hired him, at 60k. In 1984 dollars. But then again, they were head hunting him; they wanted him. They were willing to put up with any "personal quirks" to get his skills. I suspect he did it that away, too see if they could work with someone of his high geekiness. I have learned that in some areas, the person you 'want' has, sometimes, has .... "unique" personality traits. They do the job really, really, really well ... but on their terms or not at all. Like the guy who got the promotion to the outside office. Which he promptly covered in tin foil, to block the sunshine - he did all programming by the light of the monitor. Unfortunately, I don't have those sorts of mad skills, so I have to act like normal people. -- pyotr filipivich Friends help you move, good friends help you move bodies. Really good friends remove bodies, bloodstains and hot cars, then collect the IDs, weapons and useful stuff." _After the Dragon's Egg_, the unbegun novel. |
Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
Winston on Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:14:08 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: pyotr filipivich wrote: on Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:11:14 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: pyotr filipivich wrote: (...) Great, cool, groovy. But what does it mean "dress professionally"? Simple. Don't be over 20 years of age when you arrive. So tiny braids in the greybeard is prpbably not on? No problem. Just leave grandpappy and his braids in the car. LOL. I resemble that remark. :) --Winston -- pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
"J. Clarke" on Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:39:40 -0400
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: In article , says... Winston on Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:11:14 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: pyotr filipivich wrote: I got this in the Email: Manufacturing Job Fair Come meet companies with job openings · Bring your resume · Dress professionally · Prepare to interview Great, cool, groovy. But what does it mean "dress professionally"? Simple. Don't be over 20 years of age when you arrive. So tiny braids in the greybeard is prpbably not on? Hey, that addresses one issue--if you've got braids in it it looks like you _mean_ to have it. One dealkiller IMO is the guys who show up with the kind of beard that looks like they forgot to shave. I didn't forget to shave, I just haven't ... My girlfriend likes my beard. I'm afraid to tell her, I didn't so much "grow a beard" as "not shave" for six months. -- pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
pyotr filipivich wrote:
on Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:14:08 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: (...) No problem. Just leave grandpappy and his braids in the car. LOL. I resemble that remark. Yesterday I had a discussion with a manager of a group of four people about 'interview skill'. She told me that her most valuable employees are precisely those that interviewed the *worst*. She has two in particular that are smart, hard working, trustworthy and valuable. The first is not particularly articulate in an interview setting and the second insisted on asking questions about benefits and vacation time! I think the interview appeals to our Western Linear Thinking. Unfortunately it may not be nearly as valuable as we think it is. --Winston |
Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
On 2011-07-26, Winston wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote: on Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:14:08 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: (...) No problem. Just leave grandpappy and his braids in the car. LOL. I resemble that remark. Yesterday I had a discussion with a manager of a group of four people about 'interview skill'. She told me that her most valuable employees are precisely those that interviewed the *worst*. She has two in particular that are smart, hard working, trustworthy and valuable. The first is not particularly articulate in an interview setting and the second insisted on asking questions about benefits and vacation time! I think the interview appeals to our Western Linear Thinking. Unfortunately it may not be nearly as valuable as we think it is. Winston, academic research agrees with you in that interviews are usually worthless. What I try to do at interviews is to gauge the technical skill of the applicant. i |
Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
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Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
Ignoramus7018 wrote:
On 2011-07-26, wrote: (...) I think the interview appeals to our Western Linear Thinking. Unfortunately it may not be nearly as valuable as we think it is. Winston, academic research agrees with you in that interviews are usually worthless. What I try to do at interviews is to gauge the technical skill of the applicant. Except for the ones who slouch of course. :) :) And we've all run into the occasional employee who 'interviewed well' but is nonetheless poisonous. In my experience, managers tend to select people who they feel that they can easily control. The productivity and happiness of the company aren't anywhere near their agenda. Obviously, there have been exceptions to that generality. Historically speaking. In the past. Previously. --Winston |
Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
Spehro Pefhany on Tue, 26 Jul 2011
10:28:06 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 09:43:45 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: In article , says... pyotr filipivich wrote: on Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:14:08 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: (...) No problem. Just leave grandpappy and his braids in the car. LOL. I resemble that remark. Yesterday I had a discussion with a manager of a group of four people about 'interview skill'. She told me that her most valuable employees are precisely those that interviewed the *worst*. She has two in particular that are smart, hard working, trustworthy and valuable. The first is not particularly articulate in an interview setting and the second insisted on asking questions about benefits and vacation time! I think the interview appeals to our Western Linear Thinking. Unfortunately it may not be nearly as valuable as we think it is. One problem with is is that the people conducting the interview don't do interviewing for a living so they're as lost as the interviewee. A person who interviews well treats it as a sale, presents a successful pitch, and closes the deal, which is fine if you're hiring salesmen. Took me a long time to figure this out. Yes, that's true, but if you're hiring technical folks you need to have someone technical participating in the interview. I like to ask questions like (reading from resume) "last year you did ..., could you just draw a block diagram on the whiteboard of the ...", or "could you explain how you chose the ... for the ...". It instantly exposes folks that claim all sorts of things that they never did.. perhaps they "participated" in a project but did not have the level of responsibility they claim (and unfortunately there are MANY such people, and they tend to get through the filters because they are more than willing to bend the truth). "Experienced with MS Office Suite" (But I don't use it often, prefer not to, don't like it, consider it a collection of bloatware.) There is, to me, a difference between "I have done X, and can do X, but have no interest in doing X if I don't have to", and "I've done X and like doing it." Or as I once pondered "the difference between being lazy, and patient, is ...?" whether what you're "not doing" is advantageous. -- pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
pyotr filipivich wrote:
(...) Or as I once pondered "the difference between being lazy, and patient, is ...?" whether what you're "not doing" is advantageous. I'm updating my resume: "...Extremely patient"! :) --Winston --- Whoa. Thanks for that! |
Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 09:43:45 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote: In article , says... pyotr filipivich wrote: on Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:14:08 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: (...) No problem. Just leave grandpappy and his braids in the car. LOL. I resemble that remark. Yesterday I had a discussion with a manager of a group of four people about 'interview skill'. She told me that her most valuable employees are precisely those that interviewed the *worst*. She has two in particular that are smart, hard working, trustworthy and valuable. The first is not particularly articulate in an interview setting and the second insisted on asking questions about benefits and vacation time! I think the interview appeals to our Western Linear Thinking. Unfortunately it may not be nearly as valuable as we think it is. One problem with is is that the people conducting the interview don't do interviewing for a living so they're as lost as the interviewee. A person who interviews well treats it as a sale, presents a successful pitch, and closes the deal, which is fine if you're hiring salesmen. Took me a long time to figure this out. Ayup...pretty true indeed. Good analogy. Gunner -- Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head. |
Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
In article ,
what says... On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 09:43:45 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: In article , says... pyotr filipivich wrote: on Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:14:08 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: (...) No problem. Just leave grandpappy and his braids in the car. LOL. I resemble that remark. Yesterday I had a discussion with a manager of a group of four people about 'interview skill'. She told me that her most valuable employees are precisely those that interviewed the *worst*. She has two in particular that are smart, hard working, trustworthy and valuable. The first is not particularly articulate in an interview setting and the second insisted on asking questions about benefits and vacation time! I think the interview appeals to our Western Linear Thinking. Unfortunately it may not be nearly as valuable as we think it is. One problem with is is that the people conducting the interview don't do interviewing for a living so they're as lost as the interviewee. A person who interviews well treats it as a sale, presents a successful pitch, and closes the deal, which is fine if you're hiring salesmen. Took me a long time to figure this out. Yes, that's true, but if you're hiring technical folks you need to have someone technical participating in the interview. I like to ask questions like (reading from resume) "last year you did ..., could you just draw a block diagram on the whiteboard of the ...", or "could you explain how you chose the ... for the ...". It instantly exposes folks that claim all sorts of things that they never did.. perhaps they "participated" in a project but did not have the level of responsibility they claim (and unfortunately there are MANY such people, and they tend to get through the filters because they are more than willing to bend the truth). Just make sure that they're the ones doing the bending. One time I got totally blindsided in an interview--the guy started asking me questions that I had no idea what he was talking about--finally got him to show me the piece of paper he had in front of him--some headhunter had retyped my resume and apparently halfway through changed to somebody else's. Needless to say I didn't get that job. |
Manufacturing Job Fair "Dress Professionally"???
"J. Clarke" on Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:29:03 -0400
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: In article , says... On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 09:43:45 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: In article , says... pyotr filipivich wrote: on Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:14:08 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: (...) No problem. Just leave grandpappy and his braids in the car. LOL. I resemble that remark. Yesterday I had a discussion with a manager of a group of four people about 'interview skill'. She told me that her most valuable employees are precisely those that interviewed the *worst*. She has two in particular that are smart, hard working, trustworthy and valuable. The first is not particularly articulate in an interview setting and the second insisted on asking questions about benefits and vacation time! I think the interview appeals to our Western Linear Thinking. Unfortunately it may not be nearly as valuable as we think it is. One problem with is is that the people conducting the interview don't do interviewing for a living so they're as lost as the interviewee. A person who interviews well treats it as a sale, presents a successful pitch, and closes the deal, which is fine if you're hiring salesmen. Took me a long time to figure this out. Yes, that's true, but if you're hiring technical folks you need to have someone technical participating in the interview. I like to ask questions like (reading from resume) "last year you did ..., could you just draw a block diagram on the whiteboard of the ...", or "could you explain how you chose the ... for the ...". It instantly exposes folks that claim all sorts of things that they never did.. perhaps they "participated" in a project but did not have the level of responsibility they claim (and unfortunately there are MANY such people, and they tend to get through the filters because they are more than willing to bend the truth). Just make sure that they're the ones doing the bending. One time I got totally blindsided in an interview--the guy started asking me questions that I had no idea what he was talking about--finally got him to show me the piece of paper he had in front of him--some headhunter had retyped my resume and apparently halfway through changed to somebody else's. Needless to say I didn't get that job. I actually had the line "Does anyone really understand SPC? But I am knowledgeable about it." in one of my resumes. -- pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
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