Question on transit tripods
Anyone know if there is a standard for transit tripod sockets where the
transit attaches? (forgive if my terminology is not correct) I've been toying with an idea for a massive and rigid ball head for my new camera when I stumbled across the Burzynski ballhead. Very much what I was toying with, so I know my concept is valid. Further looking at that head reveals it's one of the most rigid ball heads made, which of course exposes the next weakest link, the tripod. While carbon fiber tripods are certainly rigid and light, they are very expensive. Some folks seem to favor wooden tripods based on those used for surveyors transits, saying wood absorbs vibration as well as just about anything. Well, I can't afford any of those tripods either. So thinking about looking for a used surveyors transit tripod. I can make to fit whatever I buy of course. I'm pretty sure there are proprietary mounts out there, but hoping there's one that has become an industry standard. This would make it easier to upgrade to a nicer tripod should I decide to do so. This btw, is not going to be a tripod for hiking all over creation, it's going to be pretty heavy. But it'll also be nice and rigid... Jon |
Question on transit tripods
On Jul 12, 4:18*am, Jon Anderson wrote:
Anyone know if there is a standard for transit tripod sockets where the transit attaches? (forgive if my terminology is not correct) ... I can make to fit whatever I buy of course. I'm pretty sure there are proprietary mounts out there, but hoping there's one that has become an industry standard. This would make it easier to upgrade to a nicer tripod should I decide to do so.... Jon I have an old brass Craftsman transit with apparently an 11/16" - 27 mounting thread, slightly larger than the 5/8"-27 thread of a microphone stand. The owner had driven over the tripod and threw it away. Google gives several standards. 5/8"-11 seems common. jsw |
Question on transit tripods
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 00:18:48 -0800, Jon Anderson
wrote: Anyone know if there is a standard for transit tripod sockets where the transit attaches? (forgive if my terminology is not correct) I've been toying with an idea for a massive and rigid ball head for my new camera when I stumbled across the Burzynski ballhead. Very much what I was toying with, so I know my concept is valid. Further looking at that head reveals it's one of the most rigid ball heads made, which of course exposes the next weakest link, the tripod. While carbon fiber tripods are certainly rigid and light, they are very expensive. Some folks seem to favor wooden tripods based on those used for surveyors transits, saying wood absorbs vibration as well as just about anything. Well, I can't afford any of those tripods either. So thinking about looking for a used surveyors transit tripod. I can make to fit whatever I buy of course. I'm pretty sure there are proprietary mounts out there, but hoping there's one that has become an industry standard. This would make it easier to upgrade to a nicer tripod should I decide to do so. This btw, is not going to be a tripod for hiking all over creation, it's going to be pretty heavy. But it'll also be nice and rigid... The surveyor who lived in my house before me left an old tripod and you can have it for the postage cost if you like. It has a 1" long, 1/2-5/8" tapered mount, telescoping legs, and half a black crinkle-paint finish left on the top section. There is no bracing, but that's easy enough to fab up. It's 2 lb 10 oz without packing. New tripods appear to have a 5/8"-11 stud mount. There's a screw in the top of this one, so it may be replaceable. -- Win first, Fight later. --martial principle of the Samurai |
Question on transit tripods
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 00:18:48 -0800, Jon Anderson
wrote: Anyone know if there is a standard for transit tripod sockets where the transit attaches? (forgive if my terminology is not correct) I've been toying with an idea for a massive and rigid ball head for my new camera when I stumbled across the Burzynski ballhead. Very much what I was toying with, so I know my concept is valid. Further looking at that head reveals it's one of the most rigid ball heads made, which of course exposes the next weakest link, the tripod. While carbon fiber tripods are certainly rigid and light, they are very expensive. Some folks seem to favor wooden tripods based on those used for surveyors transits, saying wood absorbs vibration as well as just about anything. Well, I can't afford any of those tripods either. So thinking about looking for a used surveyors transit tripod. I can make to fit whatever I buy of course. I'm pretty sure there are proprietary mounts out there, but hoping there's one that has become an industry standard. This would make it easier to upgrade to a nicer tripod should I decide to do so. This btw, is not going to be a tripod for hiking all over creation, it's going to be pretty heavy. But it'll also be nice and rigid... Jon You'll find lots of info on using transit tripods if you search for DIY telescope tripods. People have used surveying tripods from Goodwill or whatever, crafted their own from beautiful wood, or hammered together some 2x4s etc. |
Question on transit tripods
On Jul 12, 2:18*am, Jon Anderson wrote:
Anyone know if there is a standard for transit tripod sockets where the transit attaches? (forgive if my terminology is not correct) I've been toying with an idea for a massive and rigid ball head for my new camera when I stumbled across the Burzynski ballhead. Very much what I was toying with, so I know my concept is valid. Further looking at that head reveals it's one of the most rigid ball heads made, which of course exposes the next weakest link, the tripod. While carbon fiber tripods are certainly rigid and light, they are very expensive. Some folks seem to favor wooden tripods based on those used for surveyors transits, saying wood absorbs vibration as well as just about anything. Well, I can't afford any of those tripods either. So thinking about looking for a used surveyors transit tripod. I can make to fit whatever I buy of course. I'm pretty sure there are proprietary mounts out there, but hoping there's one that has become an industry standard. This would make it easier to upgrade to a nicer tripod should I decide to do so. This btw, is not going to be a tripod for hiking all over creation, it's going to be pretty heavy. But it'll also be nice and rigid... Jon I've got a Majestic tripod for the heavies, has a geared head. $40 at the local camera swap. Weighs in at 15 lbs. Had been hacked about over the years, nasty leg tips, crummy cheap fastener replacements. Still being made(but not for $40). See www.bencher.com. They're out there, sometimes for pretty cheap, all metal, U.S.-made. Had at least a dozen at the swap. The local college AV guys are getting rid of them. Have seen them on camera swap sites, too. Would be a better deal than trying to modify something not meant for photo use. Had to straighten the worm wheel shaft on the gear head and regrease, replaced most of the cheap fasteners with some decent stuff and waxed up the telescoping legs. Works great now. Originally had a three-way level on it, that's missing. Extends up to about 8-9'. As a plus, when I replaced the leg tips with some decent rubber ones, I found several sets that would fit into my Husky tripod dolly, So it can be wheeled around now. And it makes a great mount for the giant binoculars. Bencher has several different platform types for the gear head, too. Stan |
Question on transit tripods
On 7/12/2011 2:59 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
The problem with most surveyors tripods..is the head of the tripod is a fixed platform. No tilt or swivel. The transit themselves normally has the angle/ elevation adjustments. That's no problem at all, as I'm starting down this path from the ball head. What I'd started designing looks very much like this: http://www.pepperanddust.com/images/Burzsynski001.jpg and in fact, that's the basic setup I want. Stout tripod, massive and rigid ball head, and an RRS pan head. This design will only tilt over 45 degrees, so I'm designing a 45 degree adapter to go 45-90 degrees. And this is the sort of tripod I'm looking for: http://www.adorama.com/BA3032.html And someday a baby version like this: http://www.photomacrography.net/foru...lebach5b_1.jpg (interested in duplicating the automated macro slide for stacking too!) I might well end up buying a Velbon or Gitzo, but right now those are out of reach. If I can find a used surveyor's tripod cheap, with wood legs as pictured in the links above, I'll be happy for a while. I have a Leitz Tiltall right now, and it's certainly the best tripod I've owned to date, but has it's limitations. Plus, I have to say, I just love the look of the wood tripods, especially that cute little one in the photomacrography fourm. Jon |
Question on transit tripods
On 7/12/2011 4:16 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
The surveyor who lived in my house before me left an old tripod and you can have it for the postage cost if you like. It has a 1" long, 1/2-5/8" tapered mount, telescoping legs, and half a black crinkle-paint finish left on the top section. There is no bracing, but that's easy enough to fab up. It's 2 lb 10 oz without packing. That's going to be far too light for what I want to do with the camera, but I sure appreciate the offer! Jon |
Question on transit tripods
On 7/12/2011 4:59 AM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
For those who choose to spend a fair chunk of money, ONCE, I'd suggest RRS (Really Right Stuff). Not sold in stores. Really, really nicely made in the good old USofA. I have a Manfrotto, with their BH55 ball head, but I'm sure their carbon fiber tripods are nice. http://reallyrightstuff.com/Items.as...head55&key=cat Like any good tool, they just 'feel' right. Oh, do they ever feel and look 'right'! I've started with an RRS L-plate, and will certainly be buying more of their stuff, especially for macro and pano work. My brother was up for the 4th weekend and we went on a photo safari. I fell in love with his RRS ground tripod and BH55 ballhead. http://reallyrightstuff.com/ProductDesc.aspx?code=TP-243&type=0&eq=&desc=TP-243-Ground-Level-Tripod It is sinfully gorgeous and sexy, and unaffordable right now... :( My brother turned me on to a great forum for Minolta and Sony A mount cameras. The general consensus is to buy once and buy the best. Well, that works great if one has the money.... I don't want to wait years to get going, so looking to combine my ability to make stuff, with scrounging for used stuff, to get going faster. Down the road, will be upgrading, that's for sure. Jon |
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Question on transit tripods
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:45:44 -0800, Jon Anderson
wrote: On 7/12/2011 4:16 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: The surveyor who lived in my house before me left an old tripod and you can have it for the postage cost if you like. It has a 1" long, 1/2-5/8" tapered mount, telescoping legs, and half a black crinkle-paint finish left on the top section. There is no bracing, but that's easy enough to fab up. It's 2 lb 10 oz without packing. That's going to be far too light for what I want to do with the camera, but I sure appreciate the offer! Jewelcome. BTW, what -are- you going to be doing? What's the package weight on the head, ball'n'all? -- Fear not those who argue but those who dodge. -- Marie Ebner von Eschenbach |
Question on transit tripods
On 7/12/2011 11:47 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
Jewelcome. BTW, what -are- you going to be doing? What's the package weight on the head, ball'n'all? I'm overbuilding with an eye toward some long lenses down the road. Have read some real interesting articles on rigidity and vibration, it really can be an issue. And, one day I just might go old school and try a large format camera. There is the chance things might sour here with the economy and I will end up unable to afford to ship my shop down under. So trying to to build a few really nice things now just in case. I could just save up and buy, but I derive a lot of pleasure from making something that I can use. The other even bigger project is a geared cubic head along the lines of this: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/629979-REG/Arca_Swiss_8501000_1_C1_Cube_Geared_Head.html These are the bomb for precision framing in macro photography, but WELL out of my price range. But I can certainly design and make something similar that should work nearly as well. When my brother was up, we dabbled with some extreme close up macro work using a bellows. My camera was mounted on his RRS ground tripod with RRS's large ball head. Even with that primo setup, it was a bit of a pain trying to make fine adjustments to the camera. I'm on the slippery slope now, and gaining speed... G Jon |
Question on transit tripods
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:27:23 -0800, Jon Anderson
wrote: On 7/12/2011 11:47 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: Jewelcome. BTW, what -are- you going to be doing? What's the package weight on the head, ball'n'all? I'm overbuilding with an eye toward some long lenses down the road. Have read some real interesting articles on rigidity and vibration, it really can be an issue. And, one day I just might go old school and try a large format camera. Cool. Don't the long (400mm+) zooms require a -lens- mounting? http://goo.gl/Nene Whoa! Page 3 - I'd never seen a perspective control lens before. Weird. There is the chance things might sour here with the economy and I will end up unable to afford to ship my shop down under. So trying to to build a few really nice things now just in case. Go for it! I could just save up and buy, but I derive a lot of pleasure from making something that I can use. The other even bigger project is a geared cubic head along the lines of this: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/629979-REG/Arca_Swiss_8501000_1_C1_Cube_Geared_Head.html These are the bomb for precision framing in macro photography, but WELL out of my price range. But I can certainly design and make something similar that should work nearly as well. When my brother was up, we Oh, yeah, at that price, making one is a given. dabbled with some extreme close up macro work using a bellows. My camera was mounted on his RRS ground tripod with RRS's large ball head. Even with that primo setup, it was a bit of a pain trying to make fine adjustments to the camera. I hear ya. Macro is tough. I'm on the slippery slope now, and gaining speed... G Atta Boy! -- Fear not those who argue but those who dodge. -- Marie Ebner von Eschenbach |
Question on transit tripods
On Jul 12, 3:18*am, Jon Anderson wrote:
Anyone know if there is a standard for transit tripod sockets where the transit attaches? (forgive if my terminology is not correct) I've been toying with an idea for a massive and rigid ball head for my new camera when I stumbled across the Burzynski ballhead. Very much what I was toying with, so I know my concept is valid. Further looking at that head reveals it's one of the most rigid ball heads made, which of course exposes the next weakest link, the tripod. While carbon fiber tripods are certainly rigid and light, they are very expensive. Some folks seem to favor wooden tripods based on those used for surveyors transits, saying wood absorbs vibration as well as just about anything. Well, I can't afford any of those tripods either. So thinking about looking for a used surveyors transit tripod. I can make to fit whatever I buy of course. I'm pretty sure there are proprietary mounts out there, but hoping there's one that has become an industry standard. This would make it easier to upgrade to a nicer tripod should I decide to do so. This btw, is not going to be a tripod for hiking all over creation, it's going to be pretty heavy. But it'll also be nice and rigid... Jon Jon, There is no socket standard. As for a really good tripod, take a look at the Quickset line. http://www.quickset.com/products-tec...rable-tripods/ They are very well built...cough..cough..I have seen them used for car jacks in the military. ;) Used, their pricing are within the realm of us mortals. Check Ebay, large format photo and astronomy sale sites for used ones. TMT |
Question on transit tripods
On 7/12/2011 6:11 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
Cool. Don't the long (400mm+) zooms require a -lens- mounting? http://goo.gl/Nene Whoa! Yeah. But still, mass and vibration damping are important. Page 3 - I'd never seen a perspective control lens before. Weird. Cool! Arax and Lensbaby are similar to this lens, though not sure how they really compare as that's an area of photography I don't anticipate getting into. It sure do look nice though! Jon |
Question on transit tripods
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:09:05 -0800, Jon Anderson
wrote: On 7/12/2011 6:11 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: Cool. Don't the long (400mm+) zooms require a -lens- mounting? http://goo.gl/Nene Whoa! Yeah. But still, mass and vibration damping are important. But of course! Electronically controlled shutter release is a must. Wind shielding is a necessity. Page 3 - I'd never seen a perspective control lens before. Weird. Cool! Arax and Lensbaby are similar to this lens, though not sure how they really compare as that's an area of photography I don't anticipate getting into. It sure do look nice though! Yeah, who wants to photograph man-made stuff? -- Fear not those who argue but those who dodge. -- Marie Ebner von Eschenbach |
Question on transit tripods
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 00:18:48 -0800, Jon Anderson
wrote: Anyone know if there is a standard for transit tripod sockets where the transit attaches? (forgive if my terminology is not correct) I've been toying with an idea for a massive and rigid ball head for my new camera when I stumbled across the Burzynski ballhead. Very much what I was toying with, so I know my concept is valid. Further looking at that head reveals it's one of the most rigid ball heads made, which of course exposes the next weakest link, the tripod. While carbon fiber tripods are certainly rigid and light, they are very expensive. Some folks seem to favor wooden tripods based on those used for surveyors transits, saying wood absorbs vibration as well as just about anything. Well, I can't afford any of those tripods either. So thinking about looking for a used surveyors transit tripod. I can make to fit whatever I buy of course. I'm pretty sure there are proprietary mounts out there, but hoping there's one that has become an industry standard. This would make it easier to upgrade to a nicer tripod should I decide to do so. This btw, is not going to be a tripod for hiking all over creation, it's going to be pretty heavy. But it'll also be nice and rigid... Jon My Dad's 'old' Craftsman (circa 1950's) measures 11/16" - 24. Actually .6868" major dia. of the male thread on the transit. HTH rgentry at oz dot net |
Question on transit tripods
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Jon Anderson wrote: Anyone know if there is a standard for transit tripod sockets where the transit attaches? (forgive if my terminology is not correct) I've been toying with an idea for a massive and rigid ball head for my new camera when I stumbled across the Burzynski ballhead. Very much what I was toying with, so I know my concept is valid. Further looking at that head reveals it's one of the most rigid ball heads made, which of course exposes the next weakest link, the tripod. While carbon fiber tripods are certainly rigid and light, they are very expensive. Some folks seem to favor wooden tripods based on those used for surveyors transits, saying wood absorbs vibration as well as just about anything. Well, I can't afford any of those tripods either. So thinking about looking for a used surveyors transit tripod. I can make to fit whatever I buy of course. I'm pretty sure there are proprietary mounts out there, but hoping there's one that has become an industry standard. This would make it easier to upgrade to a nicer tripod should I decide to do so. Transits typically use a large (3.5"-4" or so) threaded mount so there can be a hole in the top of the tripod (the threads are on an open ring) to allow the plumb-bob to be connected directly to the transit. I'm not really sure what that size typically is, or how many variants there may be - in both the instances I have experience with, the transit and tripod have lived as a set, and not been interchanged with anything. In the age of total stations (the fancy laser range-finder devices virtually all real surveyors use these days, since they are much faster and probably more accurate) this may be more of a historical tid-bit than directly relevant (my understanding is the total station does not need to be set in any particular spot, so a plumb bob is not needed.) Some tripods provide a way to mount something on a small thread as well as the large ring thread. If you find one new enough to not be marked up for antique value (ie, not brass) you might well be able to get the matching threads and a really nice turntable by butchering the obsolete instrument you can get with the tripod, but may folks pretend they still have values based on what they used to cost (heck, some places still sell the things new, god only knows why at this point.) I've had my current powder-coated Japanese-built German-branded unit on loan for the better part of 20 years from someone who switched to a total station and does not want the thing back, though I occasionally remind him I still have it. I myself find a laser level (and the leveling rod from the transit set) faster and more useful for much of what I used to use the transit to do (ie, not real transit work, things a dumpy level could have done.) -- Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile and ignore them so they will go away. |
Question on transit tripods
Thanks everyone for all the replies. I found the solution to my problem
in a German manufacturer of very nice wood tripods, Berlebach. Can't afford to buy a new one, but with patience I will score one of the models I'm interested in on eBay sooner or later, at a price I can afford. Jon |
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