http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/business/global/26bridge.html?src=me&ref=general

Regarding replacement of parts of the San Francisco Bay Bridge, above says
"Construction of the bridge decks and the materials that went into them are
a Made in China affair. California officials say the state saved hundreds of
millions of dollars by turning to China."

"Zhenhua put 3,000 employees to work on the project: steel-cutters, welders,
polishers and engineers. The company built the main bridge tower, which was
shipped in mid-2009, and a total of 28 bridge decks €” the massive triangular
steel structures that will serve as the roadway platform."

--
jiw

James Waldby wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/business/global/26bridge.html?src=me&ref=general

Regarding replacement of parts of the San Francisco Bay Bridge, above says
"Construction of the bridge decks and the materials that went into them are
a Made in China affair. California officials say the state saved hundreds of
millions of dollars by turning to China."

"Zhenhua put 3,000 employees to work on the project: steel-cutters, welders,
polishers and engineers. The company built the main bridge tower, which was
shipped in mid-2009, and a total of 28 bridge decks ? the massive triangular
steel structures that will serve as the roadway platform."

I'm sure that's some quality steel there.

Cydrome Leader wrote:
James wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/business/global/26bridge.html?src=me&ref=general

Regarding replacement of parts of the San Francisco Bay Bridge, above says
"Construction of the bridge decks and the materials that went into them are
a Made in China affair. California officials say the state saved hundreds of
millions of dollars by turning to China."

"Zhenhua put 3,000 employees to work on the project: steel-cutters, welders,
polishers and engineers. The company built the main bridge tower, which was
shipped in mid-2009, and a total of 28 bridge decks ? the massive triangular
steel structures that will serve as the roadway platform."

I'm sure that's some quality steel there.

There should be, it's made from melted down
Fords and Chevys.

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:41:15 -0700, Jim Stewart
wrote:

Cydrome Leader wrote:
James wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/business/global/26bridge.html?src=me&ref=general

Regarding replacement of parts of the San Francisco Bay Bridge, above says
"Construction of the bridge decks and the materials that went into them are
a Made in China affair. California officials say the state saved hundreds of
millions of dollars by turning to China."

"Zhenhua put 3,000 employees to work on the project: steel-cutters, welders,
polishers and engineers. The company built the main bridge tower, which was
shipped in mid-2009, and a total of 28 bridge decks ? the massive triangular
steel structures that will serve as the roadway platform."

I'm sure that's some quality steel there.

There should be, it's made from melted down
Fords and Chevys.

Seems hard to believe, since China's total steel production is almost
an order of magnitude higher (630 million tons vs. 81 million tons)
than total US production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...eel_production

James Waldby wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/business/global/26bridge.html?src=me&ref=general

Regarding replacement of parts of the San Francisco Bay Bridge, above says
"Construction of the bridge decks and the materials that went into them
are a Made in China affair. California officials say the state saved
hundreds of millions of dollars by turning to China."

"Zhenhua put 3,000 employees to work on the project: steel-cutters,
welders, polishers and engineers. The company built the main bridge tower,
which was shipped in mid-2009, and a total of 28 bridge decks ? the
massive triangular steel structures that will serve as the roadway
platform."

Of course! Thanks to the Obammunomics and the Unions, nobody can afford to
build anything any more!

Thanks,
Rich

Jim Stewart wrote:
Cydrome Leader wrote:
James wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/business/global/26bridge.html?src=me&ref=general

Regarding replacement of parts of the San Francisco Bay Bridge, above says
"Construction of the bridge decks and the materials that went into them are
a Made in China affair. California officials say the state saved hundreds of
millions of dollars by turning to China."

"Zhenhua put 3,000 employees to work on the project: steel-cutters, welders,
polishers and engineers. The company built the main bridge tower, which was
shipped in mid-2009, and a total of 28 bridge decks ? the massive triangular
steel structures that will serve as the roadway platform."

I'm sure that's some quality steel there.

There should be, it's made from melted down
Fords and Chevys.

So their steel is made of plastic?

the quality of that steel has to be pure ****.

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:55:08 -0700, the renowned Rich Grise
wrote:

James Waldby wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/business/global/26bridge.html?src=me&ref=general

Regarding replacement of parts of the San Francisco Bay Bridge, above says
"Construction of the bridge decks and the materials that went into them
are a Made in China affair. California officials say the state saved
hundreds of millions of dollars by turning to China."

"Zhenhua put 3,000 employees to work on the project: steel-cutters,
welders, polishers and engineers. The company built the main bridge tower,
which was shipped in mid-2009, and a total of 28 bridge decks ? the
massive triangular steel structures that will serve as the roadway
platform."

Of course! Thanks to the Obammunomics and the Unions, nobody can afford to
build anything any more!

Thanks,
Rich

Wasn't the contract let by Schwartzenegger's (sp?) administration back
in 2006 or 2007?

Anyway, Zhenhua is a rather good company.. they make the majority of
the port cranes for the world, and have their own ships to deliver
them.



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

"Rich Grise" wrote in message
...
James Waldby wrote:

"Zhenhua put 3,000 employees to work on the project: steel-cutters,
welders, polishers and engineers. The company built the main bridge
tower,
which was shipped in mid-2009, and a total of 28 bridge decks ? the
massive triangular steel structures that will serve as the roadway
platform."

Of course! Thanks to the Obammunomics and the Unions, nobody can afford to
build anything any more!


Obammunomics ?

"A joint venture between two American companies, American Bridge and Fluor
Enterprises, won the prime contract for the project in early 2006. Their bid
specified getting much of the fabricated steel from overseas, to save
money."

"California decided not to apply for federal funding for the project because
the "Buy America" provisos would probably have required purchasing more
expensive steel and fabrication from United States manufacturers. "

You stupid ****.

--Obama had barely begun his first term as a US senator at that time.

ALSO SEE:

http://www.industryweek.com/articles...l_1469 4.aspx

"Government-backed subsidies have allowed China's steel production to
increase by more than 170% between 2000 and 2005 and another 20% in 2006,
while exports of Chinese steel to the U.S. more than doubled in 2006."

"The report also was critical of the Chinese government's controlling stake
in its steel industry. The government owns 100% of eight of its 10 largest
steel manufacturers and owns a majority of the 19 top steel producers."



"Obammunomics" my ass.

--

But they import steel scrap and iron ore from the US.

They have massive stores of iron - but don't dig it since scrap
is cheap enough to sell again.

They seem to keep their stuff for themselves in the future and deplete ours.

Martin

On 6/27/2011 2:03 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:41:15 -0700, Jim
wrote:

Cydrome Leader wrote:
James wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/business/global/26bridge.html?src=me&ref=general

Regarding replacement of parts of the San Francisco Bay Bridge, above says
"Construction of the bridge decks and the materials that went into them are
a Made in China affair. California officials say the state saved hundreds of
millions of dollars by turning to China."

"Zhenhua put 3,000 employees to work on the project: steel-cutters, welders,
polishers and engineers. The company built the main bridge tower, which was
shipped in mid-2009, and a total of 28 bridge decks ? the massive triangular
steel structures that will serve as the roadway platform."

I'm sure that's some quality steel there.

There should be, it's made from melted down
Fords and Chevys.

Seems hard to believe, since China's total steel production is almost
an order of magnitude higher (630 million tons vs. 81 million tons)
than total US production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...eel_production

A certain Northern Ca senator has a husband with a massive
China business deal connection. I wonder if he got into steel....

Martin

On 6/27/2011 6:22 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:55:08 -0700, the renowned Rich Grise
wrote:

James Waldby wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/business/global/26bridge.html?src=me&ref=general

Regarding replacement of parts of the San Francisco Bay Bridge, above says
"Construction of the bridge decks and the materials that went into them
are a Made in China affair. California officials say the state saved
hundreds of millions of dollars by turning to China."

"Zhenhua put 3,000 employees to work on the project: steel-cutters,
welders, polishers and engineers. The company built the main bridge tower,
which was shipped in mid-2009, and a total of 28 bridge decks ? the
massive triangular steel structures that will serve as the roadway
platform."

Of course! Thanks to the Obammunomics and the Unions, nobody can afford to
build anything any more!

Thanks,
Rich

Wasn't the contract let by Schwartzenegger's (sp?) administration back
in 2006 or 2007?

Anyway, Zhenhua is a rather good company.. they make the majority of
the port cranes for the world, and have their own ships to deliver
them.



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Martin Eastburn wrote:

A certain Northern Ca senator has a husband with a massive
China business deal connection. I wonder if he got into steel....


It's hard to find a politicain who isn't into steAling! ;-)


--
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:10:10 -0500, the renowned Martin Eastburn
wrote:

But they import steel scrap and iron ore from the US.

They have massive stores of iron - but don't dig it since scrap
is cheap enough to sell again.

They seem to keep their stuff for themselves in the future and deplete ours.

Martin

?? Statistics say that China is importing ENORMOUS amounts of iron
ore. 850 million tons a year or something like that- about half the
entire world's production. It's making Australia, Brazil, India, and
some multinational resource companies (eg. Rio Tinto, Cliffs)
$billions. It's juicing the economies of a lot of places. Modest
amounts are probably trickling down rather indirectly to yours truly,
in fact. The Chinese can only produce around half of the iron ore they
are using, and they're at record levels of domestic production.

Iron ore is selling internationally for about 15 times what it sold
for in 2000, albeit measured in shrinking US dollars, so maybe 10
times in real value, if you believe the Bureau of Labor Statistics
inflation values. That's a bigger increase than oil ($91/barrel YTD
average vs. $27/barrel average in 2000- about 3.3:1 or about 2:1 after
claimed inflation).

US scrap exports to China amount to less than 1% of China's steel
production, (6 million tons a year vs. 650 million tons a year,
roughly, about 1/4 of total US scrap exports) so it ain't very
significant, and can't be at current levels of production. It's
probably significant to US mini-mills since their cost of scrap has
gone up with their suppliers finding other customers willing to pay..
and I'm sure both sides are grumbling- the scrap guys say China isn't
buying enough because of unspecified "trade restrictions", and I guess
the mini mills would like to see exports shut down completely. ;-)


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Stupid **** is an understatement.

RG is another one that's not here for metalworking interests, just to spew
his mental sewage, like Gummer and a few others who don't care if the points
expressed are accurate.. or may even actually know that they're not, but
doesn't matter to them.

They're misguided thoughts are not based in reality, and attempting to
expose them to any point of view other than their own, is a huge waste of
effort.

I appreciate that you went to the effort to at least inform anyone else that
would've otherwise been gullible enough to accept RG's bull****.

--
WB
..........


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"Rich Grise" wrote in message
...
Babble Grovel Self-loathing Self-disappointment which has always been
someone else's fault.




Obammunomics ?

"A joint venture between two American companies, American Bridge and Fluor
Enterprises, won the prime contract for the project in early 2006. Their
bid specified getting much of the fabricated steel from overseas, to save
money."

"California decided not to apply for federal funding for the project
because the "Buy America" provisos would probably have required purchasing
more expensive steel and fabrication from United States manufacturers. "

You stupid ****.

--Obama had barely begun his first term as a US senator at that time.

ALSO SEE:

http://www.industryweek.com/articles...l_1469 4.aspx

"Government-backed subsidies have allowed China's steel production to
increase by more than 170% between 2000 and 2005 and another 20% in 2006,
while exports of Chinese steel to the U.S. more than doubled in 2006."

"The report also was critical of the Chinese government's controlling
stake in its steel industry. The government owns 100% of eight of its 10
largest steel manufacturers and owns a majority of the 19 top steel
producers."



"Obammunomics" my ass.

--

Try to focus, stay on topic and keep your ADHD / OCD problem in check.

It makes you looks quite stupid and nobody really cares about your
communication failures.


mike

-------------

"Wild_Bill" wrote in message
...
Stupid **** is an understatement.

RG is another one that's not here for metalworking interests, just to spew
his mental sewage, like Gummer and a few others who don't care if the points
expressed are accurate.. or may even actually know that they're not, but
doesn't matter to them.

They're misguided thoughts are not based in reality, and attempting to
expose them to any point of view other than their own, is a huge waste of
effort.

I appreciate that you went to the effort to at least inform anyone else that
would've otherwise been gullible enough to accept RG's bull****.

--
WB

"m II" wrote in message
...

Try to focus, stay on topic and keep your ADHD / OCD problem in check.

It makes you looks quite stupid and nobody really cares about your
communication failures.

**** yourself, asswipe

--

"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
...
Jim Stewart wrote:
Cydrome Leader wrote:
James wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/business/global/26bridge.html?src=me&ref=general

Regarding replacement of parts of the San Francisco Bay Bridge, above
says
"Construction of the bridge decks and the materials that went into them
are
a Made in China affair. California officials say the state saved
hundreds of
millions of dollars by turning to China."

"Zhenhua put 3,000 employees to work on the project: steel-cutters,
welders,
polishers and engineers. The company built the main bridge tower, which
was
shipped in mid-2009, and a total of 28 bridge decks ? the massive
triangular
steel structures that will serve as the roadway platform."

I'm sure that's some quality steel there.

Their commodity grades, particularly the performance-defined (rather than
alloy-defined) structural grades, are similar crap to the crap we produce.
Their stainless steel is quite good. Their tool steel is not good, and it's
always in short supply.

They must be making pretty good forming grades of steel now because they're
making cars with unibodies. The Japanese weren't able to do that themselves
until around 1966, with their first export model being the 1968 Datsun
(Nissan) 510. You can't form unibodies with crap steel.


There should be, it's made from melted down
Fords and Chevys.


So their steel is made of plastic?

the quality of that steel has to be pure ****.



Not true. They have a big primary steel capacity, making their basic steel
from iron ore -- much of the ore being imported from Australia. Like the US
and every other steel producing country, they also use scrap.

Most structural steel today is made largely from scrap, via electric-arc
remelt furnaces, and it doesn't matter where it comes from. All that matters
is that the finished product has the proper tensile strength, elongation,
and, in some cases, weldability. Structural steel could be made in East
Timor or Botswana. As long as it passes the tests, it could be made anywhere
and it's about the same thing.

--
Ed Huntress

I have to assume you indicating Wild-Bill was correct about you.

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"m II" wrote in message
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Try to focus, stay on topic and keep your ADHD / OCD problem in check.

It makes you looks quite stupid and nobody really cares about your
communication failures.

**** yourself, asswipe

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I have to assume you indicating Wild-Bill was correct about you.

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"m II" wrote in message
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Try to focus, stay on topic and keep your ADHD / OCD problem in
check.

It makes you looks quite stupid and nobody really cares about your
communication failures.

**** yourself, asswipe


Grow up, moron. Quit forging other people's identities to stir up crap.

mike



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