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Student killed by lathe
Be careful!
Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ss_igoogle_cnn RogerN |
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On 2011-04-14, RogerN wrote:
Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ss_igoogle_cnn I was certified as a lathe operator in Russia. Over there, women lathe operators are forbidden from having long hair. i |
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Ignoramus10266 writes:
On 2011-04-14, RogerN wrote: Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ss_igoogle_cnn I was certified as a lathe operator in Russia. Over there, women lathe operators are forbidden from having long hair. I expect (and hope!) her lab safety course covered hair nets. Banning long hair would be more effective.... but we are talking about grownups here. -- It's time to try defying gravity |
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That is tough.
Wonder if cameras / guards / aids / etc were on watch or not. Martin On 4/13/2011 9:01 PM, RogerN wrote: Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ss_igoogle_cnn RogerN |
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"RogerN" wrote in message ... Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ss_igoogle_cnn RogerN Any shop death is a sad event. It is worse when the post-accident analysis points to something that could have been avoided, or just something as simple as entanglement. I put some blame at least at the feet of those who set the rules on hair. Perhaps now, the rules might be changed. Still, it's sad for a rules change to be at the cost of a life. Steve Heart surgery pending? www.cabgbypasssurgery.com Heart Surgery Survival Guide |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:01:23 -0500, RogerN wrote:
Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...th/index.html? eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn I ended up cutting off a very nice ponytail when I was in my early 20's, in large part because I didn't feel comfortable with it around power tools or car engines. Once it's down to the middle of your back, braided, there's not much you can do to give you 100% confidence that it won't flop down into the machinery. Keeping my hair good and short gives me that confidence. -- http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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On Apr 14, 12:01*pm, "RogerN" wrote:
Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ex.html?eref=m.... RogerN It will be interesting to read the coroners report on this one - the news item reported, factually, what happened, but not WHY it happened. It is hard to imagine that anyone would be allowed to use power tools without proper training, especially in the safety aspects involved, and unsecured hair would be no 1 on the list. As are unbuttoned sleeves, eye protection, no dangly jewelery. (etc etc) Here, there is a module that must be done FIRST before your allowed anywhere near a machine, and if you front class without your safety gear, you get sent home. Possibly she forgot, and paid the price. Or was tired, didnt bother to use the personal protective gear as it was "only going to take a moment" and/or there was no supervisor to yell at her. (The machine should have been locked down and only be able to be made live by an instructor/supervisor.) Did the machine have guards with power supply interlocks around the chuck, was there a foot operated kill switch, was there a brake mechanism, (dont know the right name here - a long bar that runs the full length of the machine, you stomp on it to stop. Was she working alone - anyone of a myriad of reasons. And getting hair caught usually means you get scalped, not strangled, so something is badly amiss. ....... hopefully, someone will post some followup so we can all know. Andrew VK3BFA. |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 01:45:36 -0500, Tim Wescott
wrote: On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:01:23 -0500, RogerN wrote: Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...th/index.html? eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn She probably either forgot to band it and stick it under her collar, or wrongly thought "I'll show those anti-female machinists what's what." Either way, 'twas a biggie. RIP, Michele. I ended up cutting off a very nice ponytail when I was in my early 20's, in large part because I didn't feel comfortable with it around power tools or car engines. Once it's down to the middle of your back, braided, there's not much you can do to give you 100% confidence that it won't flop down into the machinery. Keeping my hair good and short gives me that confidence. My hair was down to mid-bicep level when I got my first creeper. Y'know, that little low, 6-wheeled cart which takes a mechanic underneath your car to work on it? Well, once upon a time, my rubber band (holding my pony tail) came out and I started to shoot myself under the car at full speed. Just as I got to terminal velocity, my hair gracefully draped its way under one of the wheels and I came to a screeching halt, literally. DAYUM, that hurt! I got a much shorter haircut that week (letting the super-tender scalp heal a bit first) and never looked back. To this day, I get 2 or 3 haircuts a year, whether I need 'em or not. -- The United States of America is the greatest, the noblest and, in its original founding principles, the only moral country in the history of the world. -- Ayn Rand |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 05:01:03 -0700 (PDT), Andrew VK3BFA
wrote: On Apr 14, 12:01*pm, "RogerN" wrote: Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ex.html?eref=m... RogerN It will be interesting to read the coroners report on this one - the news item reported, factually, what happened, but not WHY it happened. It is hard to imagine that anyone would be allowed to use power tools without proper training, especially in the safety aspects involved, and unsecured hair would be no 1 on the list. As are unbuttoned sleeves, eye protection, no dangly jewelery. (etc etc) Here, there is a module that must be done FIRST before your allowed anywhere near a machine, and if you front class without your safety gear, you get sent home. Possibly she forgot, and paid the price. Or was tired, didnt bother to use the personal protective gear as it was "only going to take a moment" and/or there was no supervisor to yell at her. (The machine should have been locked down and only be able to be made live by an instructor/supervisor.) Did the machine have guards with power supply interlocks around the chuck, was there a foot operated kill switch, was there a brake mechanism, (dont know the right name here - a long bar that runs the full length of the machine, you stomp on it to stop. Was she working alone - anyone of a myriad of reasons. And getting hair caught usually means you get scalped, not strangled, so something is badly amiss. ....... hopefully, someone will post some followup so we can all know. Andrew VK3BFA. They said something like neck asphyxia, what a way to go. Sad I got my hair caught up in the lead screw. Thankfully I could reach the off switch. I agree, there should be a "crash bar" across the drip pan in a school. There was a moment where I was worried I wouldn't be able to free myself. SW |
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On Apr 14, 7:01*am, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:
On Apr 14, 12:01*pm, "RogerN" wrote: Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ex.html?eref=m.... RogerN It will be interesting to read the coroners report on this one - the news item reported, factually, what happened, but not WHY it happened. It is hard to imagine that anyone would be allowed to use power tools without proper training, especially in the safety aspects involved, and unsecured hair would be no 1 on the list. As are unbuttoned sleeves, eye protection, no dangly jewelery. (etc etc) Here, there is a module that must be done FIRST before your allowed anywhere near a machine, and if you front class without your safety gear, you get sent home. * Possibly she forgot, and paid the price. Or was tired, didnt bother to use the personal protective gear as it was "only going to take a moment" and/or there was no supervisor to yell at her. (The machine should have been locked down and only be able to be made *live by an instructor/supervisor.) *Did the machine have guards with power supply interlocks around the chuck, was there a foot operated kill switch, was there a brake mechanism, (dont know the right name here - a long bar that runs the full length of the machine, you stomp on it to stop. Was she working alone - anyone of a myriad of reasons. And getting hair caught usually means you get scalped, not strangled, so something is badly amiss. ....... hopefully, someone will post some followup so we can all know. Andrew VK3BFA. I too will be watching for the report. If may be something other than long hair..I have seen a number of flying objects in my life related to lathes. TMT |
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On Apr 14, 9:51*am, rangerssuck wrote:
That was not about the safety of the workers. It was about not blowing up the factory. Big difference. Not really. The Du Ponts worked in the plant. It was about not blowing up workers, including the owners. Dan |
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On 4/14/2011 4:01 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
Just as I got to terminal velocity, my hair gracefully draped its way under one of the wheels and I came to a screeching halt, literally. I got my wake up call in work experience at NASA. Hair was well past my shoulders, and when I started there, the obviously very straight laced foreman showed me some very gory photos of scalp jobs. I assure him I'd be careful. Month or so later, I was leaning into my work on a drill press, when the chuck snatched and pulled a dozen hairs or so. Next day my hair was considerably shorter... To this day, I get 2 or 3 haircuts a year, whether I need 'em or not. Boot camp buzz cut these days, which my wife loves. Do it myself, and have paid for the electric clippers several times over by now! Jon |
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On 4/14/2011 8:30 AM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Apr 14, 7:01 am, Andrew wrote: On Apr 14, 12:01 pm, wrote: Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ex.html?eref=m... RogerN It will be interesting to read the coroners report on this one - the news item reported, factually, what happened, but not WHY it happened. It is hard to imagine that anyone would be allowed to use power tools without proper training, especially in the safety aspects involved, and unsecured hair would be no 1 on the list. As are unbuttoned sleeves, eye protection, no dangly jewelery. (etc etc) Here, there is a module that must be done FIRST before your allowed anywhere near a machine, and if you front class without your safety gear, you get sent home. Possibly she forgot, and paid the price. Or was tired, didnt bother to use the personal protective gear as it was "only going to take a moment" and/or there was no supervisor to yell at her. (The machine should have been locked down and only be able to be made live by an instructor/supervisor.) Did the machine have guards with power supply interlocks around the chuck, was there a foot operated kill switch, was there a brake mechanism, (dont know the right name here - a long bar that runs the full length of the machine, you stomp on it to stop. Was she working alone - anyone of a myriad of reasons. And getting hair caught usually means you get scalped, not strangled, so something is badly amiss. ....... hopefully, someone will post some followup so we can all know. Andrew VK3BFA. I too will be watching for the report. If may be something other than long hair..I have seen a number of flying objects in my life related to lathes. TMT Not knowing all the facts, it's impossible to say what went wrong. But it's safe to say the person made a mistake. It was an accident. But that is the point about safety isn't it? People don't hurt or kill themselves on purpose, for the most part. So if someone is injured or killed you can assume it was not intentional. That's the reason we have so much emphasis on safety in this country. Lots of times these safety rules seem really stupid. But you have to remember that somebody at some time has done what the safety device is meant to prevent. Whether it's padded dash boards in cars, deflectors on lawnmowers, or hardhats on the worksite, we have those things because in the past we didn't, and people got hurt. Next time you get ticked off because of some safety device, like the new dispenser caps on gasoline containers, grrrrr, it helps to remember it is there to keep you from doing something really stupid and screwing yourself. Hawke |
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On Apr 14, 5:01*am, Andrew VK3BFA wrote:
On Apr 14, 12:01*pm, "RogerN" wrote: Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ex.html?eref=m.... RogerN It will be interesting to read the coroners report on this one - the news item reported, factually, what happened, but not WHY it happened. It is hard to imagine that anyone would be allowed to use power tools without proper training, especially in the safety aspects involved, and unsecured hair would be no 1 on the list. As are unbuttoned sleeves, eye protection, no dangly jewelery. (etc etc) Here, there is a module that must be done FIRST before your allowed anywhere near a machine, and if you front class without your safety gear, you get sent home. * Possibly she forgot, and paid the price. Or was tired, didnt bother to use the personal protective gear as it was "only going to take a moment" and/or there was no supervisor to yell at her. (The machine should have been locked down and only be able to be made *live by an instructor/supervisor.) *Did the machine have guards with power supply interlocks around the chuck, was there a foot operated kill switch, was there a brake mechanism, (dont know the right name here - a long bar that runs the full length of the machine, you stomp on it to stop. Was she working alone - anyone of a myriad of reasons. And getting hair caught usually means you get scalped, not strangled, so something is badly amiss. ....... hopefully, someone will post some followup so we can all know. Andrew VK3BFA. Looks like she had the proper training. The New York Times reported: "The chemistry department’s Web site says access to the machine shop is “strictly limited” to those who have completed an introductory shop course. Yale lists safety precautions online for another machine shop on campus, warning students: “If you have long hair or a long beard, tie it up — If your hair is caught in spinning machinery, it will be pulled out if you are lucky.” Ms. Dufault was taking an advanced course on machine shop protocols this semester, Mr. O’Rourke said. And for the NASA reduced-gravity experiment, she helped write a 60-page document on safeguards. “She’s always been very careful,” he said. “That’s why I was shocked that this happened. I worked with her in that lab and always saw her taking the safety precautions.” I suspect that despite her training, she got lax and made the critical error. Roger Shoaf |
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On Apr 14, 2:29*pm, Hawke wrote:
In a situation where the safety of the owners/managers of the business was just as at risk as that of the common worker, guess what? Yeah. The owners made double darn sure that the conditions were safe. Hawke You need to explain a lot more things. For example the Du Pont company required that one of the managers operate any new machinery before any of the works could operate it. cee.che.ufl.edu/AIChE_CEE_Klein_DuPont_Extended.pdf Also Du Pont gave a pension to the widow of any worker killed. The company also built a school house used to educate the children of the workers and one of the Du Pont wives taught at the school. In short the Du Pont company pretty much did all those things that you claim are only done because of the Democrats and did it before there was a Democratic party. Dan |
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Hawke wrote:
On 4/14/2011 8:30 AM, Too_Many_Tools wrote: On Apr 14, 7:01 am, Andrew wrote: On Apr 14, 12:01 pm, wrote: Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ex.html?eref=m... RogerN It will be interesting to read the coroners report on this one - the news item reported, factually, what happened, but not WHY it happened. It is hard to imagine that anyone would be allowed to use power tools without proper training, especially in the safety aspects involved, and unsecured hair would be no 1 on the list. As are unbuttoned sleeves, eye protection, no dangly jewelery. (etc etc) Here, there is a module that must be done FIRST before your allowed anywhere near a machine, and if you front class without your safety gear, you get sent home. Possibly she forgot, and paid the price. Or was tired, didnt bother to use the personal protective gear as it was "only going to take a moment" and/or there was no supervisor to yell at her. (The machine should have been locked down and only be able to be made live by an instructor/supervisor.) Did the machine have guards with power supply interlocks around the chuck, was there a foot operated kill switch, was there a brake mechanism, (dont know the right name here - a long bar that runs the full length of the machine, you stomp on it to stop. Was she working alone - anyone of a myriad of reasons. And getting hair caught usually means you get scalped, not strangled, so something is badly amiss. ....... hopefully, someone will post some followup so we can all know. Andrew VK3BFA. I too will be watching for the report. If may be something other than long hair..I have seen a number of flying objects in my life related to lathes. TMT Not knowing all the facts, it's impossible to say what went wrong. But it's safe to say the person made a mistake. It was an accident. But that is the point about safety isn't it? People don't hurt or kill themselves on purpose, for the most part. So if someone is injured or killed you can assume it was not intentional. That's the reason we have so much emphasis on safety in this country. Lots of times these safety rules seem really stupid. But you have to remember that somebody at some time has done what the safety device is meant to prevent. Whether it's padded dash boards in cars, deflectors on lawnmowers, or hardhats on the worksite, we have those things because in the past we didn't, and people got hurt. Next time you get ticked off because of some safety device, like the new dispenser caps on gasoline containers, grrrrr, it helps to What are these new caps supposed to do again, other than make you spill gas all over. |
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"RogerN" wrote:
Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ss_igoogle_cnn RogerN I got wrapped up in an assembly tool today. Bumped into a "press to operate" air tool where you press the socket down on the fastener and started and wound up my sleeve above the elbow. I'm damn glad that some one didn't pick something off the floor and bump their head into it. The tool is supported on an 'ergo arm' so it moves up and out of the way when not being used. The tool stalled and when I got over the initial shock of what was happening, I reached over my shoulder and put it into reverse to let go of me. Why I didn't drop down to turn it off did not occur until later. I wasn't using the tool, I was just standing near it chatting with one of the engineers. Wes |
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Cydrome Leader wrote: Hawke wrote: On 4/14/2011 8:30 AM, Too_Many_Tools wrote: On Apr 14, 7:01 am, Andrew wrote: On Apr 14, 12:01 pm, wrote: Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ex.html?eref=m... RogerN It will be interesting to read the coroners report on this one - the news item reported, factually, what happened, but not WHY it happened. It is hard to imagine that anyone would be allowed to use power tools without proper training, especially in the safety aspects involved, and unsecured hair would be no 1 on the list. As are unbuttoned sleeves, eye protection, no dangly jewelery. (etc etc) Here, there is a module that must be done FIRST before your allowed anywhere near a machine, and if you front class without your safety gear, you get sent home. Possibly she forgot, and paid the price. Or was tired, didnt bother to use the personal protective gear as it was "only going to take a moment" and/or there was no supervisor to yell at her. (The machine should have been locked down and only be able to be made live by an instructor/supervisor.) Did the machine have guards with power supply interlocks around the chuck, was there a foot operated kill switch, was there a brake mechanism, (dont know the right name here - a long bar that runs the full length of the machine, you stomp on it to stop. Was she working alone - anyone of a myriad of reasons. And getting hair caught usually means you get scalped, not strangled, so something is badly amiss. ....... hopefully, someone will post some followup so we can all know. Andrew VK3BFA. I too will be watching for the report. If may be something other than long hair..I have seen a number of flying objects in my life related to lathes. TMT Not knowing all the facts, it's impossible to say what went wrong. But it's safe to say the person made a mistake. It was an accident. But that is the point about safety isn't it? People don't hurt or kill themselves on purpose, for the most part. So if someone is injured or killed you can assume it was not intentional. That's the reason we have so much emphasis on safety in this country. Lots of times these safety rules seem really stupid. But you have to remember that somebody at some time has done what the safety device is meant to prevent. Whether it's padded dash boards in cars, deflectors on lawnmowers, or hardhats on the worksite, we have those things because in the past we didn't, and people got hurt. Next time you get ticked off because of some safety device, like the new dispenser caps on gasoline containers, grrrrr, it helps to What are these new caps supposed to do again, other than make you spill gas all over. They certainly were not designed to prevent accidents, they are a misguided attempt to reduce evaporative emissions. That said, they went through a few truly awful designs and the latest design isn't too bad, though still pointless. |
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That's a darn shame.
The subject line might be more correct, to read "Negligent student dies while unsafely using lathe". I don't think the lathe got up this morning and decided to go kill someone. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "RogerN" wrote in message ... Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ss_igoogle_cnn RogerN |
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On Apr 14, 2:27*pm, RS at work wrote:
On Apr 14, 5:01*am, Andrew VK3BFA wrote: On Apr 14, 12:01*pm, "RogerN" wrote: Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ex.html?eref=m... RogerN It will be interesting to read the coroners report on this one - the news item reported, factually, what happened, but not WHY it happened. It is hard to imagine that anyone would be allowed to use power tools without proper training, especially in the safety aspects involved, and unsecured hair would be no 1 on the list. As are unbuttoned sleeves, eye protection, no dangly jewelery. (etc etc) Here, there is a module that must be done FIRST before your allowed anywhere near a machine, and if you front class without your safety gear, you get sent home. * Possibly she forgot, and paid the price. Or was tired, didnt bother to use the personal protective gear as it was "only going to take a moment" and/or there was no supervisor to yell at her. (The machine should have been locked down and only be able to be made *live by an instructor/supervisor.) *Did the machine have guards with power supply interlocks around the chuck, was there a foot operated kill switch, was there a brake mechanism, (dont know the right name here - a long bar that runs the full length of the machine, you stomp on it to stop. Was she working alone - anyone of a myriad of reasons. And getting hair caught usually means you get scalped, not strangled, so something is badly amiss. ....... hopefully, someone will post some followup so we can all know. Andrew VK3BFA. Looks like she had the proper training. *The New York Times reported: "The chemistry department’s Web site says access to the machine shop is “strictly limited” to those who have completed an introductory shop course. Yale lists safety precautions online for another machine shop on campus, warning students: “If you have long hair or a long beard, tie it up — If your hair is caught in spinning machinery, it will be pulled out if you are lucky.” Ms. Dufault was taking an advanced course on machine shop protocols this semester, Mr. O’Rourke said. And for the NASA reduced-gravity experiment, she helped write a 60-page document on safeguards. “She’s always been very careful,” he said. “That’s why I was shocked that this happened. I worked with her in that lab and always saw her taking the safety precautions.” I suspect that despite her training, she got lax and made the critical error. Roger Shoaf- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Mechanical failures do occur also. That is why we wait for the report. TMT |
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How the **** did you convert a perfectly harmless post about long hair
and rotating power tools to a political diatribe. Are you insane? |
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That would be the usual conclusion. Sad, in any case.
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "RS at work" wrote in message ... I suspect that despite her training, she got lax and made the critical error. Roger Shoaf |
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No, I just have to scratch all the spiders off my face, when
I finish drinking my glass of water, that has rocks floating on the surface. May I take my pills, now? Is it time? I hate it when the floor nurse keeps me waiting. I have to spend my time with a fly swatter, slapping people on the TV. Vote democrat, we've got to raise taxes on the rich to pay for people to stay home and watch TV, and to pay for anchor babies, abortions, and federal programs to regulate every aspect of your life. We need Democrats to teach your children about global warming and ozone depletion, save the rain forests, hire TSA agents to feel up your little girl, and to assure that your teen daughter can get an abortion without you knowing it. And suspend your six year old boy (Charlie Brown) for a kiss on the cheek for the cute little red headed girl. Now that we've got 15% unemployment, we need to tax the rich to pay unemployment to the 10% of our work force who lost their jobs since GWB was voted out. We had 5% unemployment back then, look what the Democrats did. May I take my pills, now? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "T.Alan Kraus" wrote in message ... How the **** did you convert a perfectly harmless post about long hair and rotating power tools to a political diatribe. Are you insane? |
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On Apr 15, 11:13*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: May I take my pills, now? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus *www.lds.org . "T.Alan Kraus" wrote in message ... How the **** did you convert a perfectly harmless post about long hair and rotating power tools to a political diatribe. Well put Stormin, in agreement with you re Everything you Say and taking the pills. Especially the pills. - best to take them, I think. I find they work wonderfully (most of the time) Are you insane? No, I am fine - its you lot who are mad. Andrew VK3BFA. |
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"Doug White" When I bought my lathe (an Emco Maier Super 11), I paid extra to get a fast shutdown version. It has a foot bar across the front that you can stomp on that shuts off the motor & applies a brake. They sold that version primarily to schools, but it's come in handy on at least one occasion where a plastic part flexed and slipped in the chuck. I view it primarily as a device to help save the lathe from damage, but it's nice to know it's there if I need it for whatever might go wrong. Doug White My Turn-Pro 13x40 has this feature. My foot has learned where it is. heh heh .... My floor model drill press also has a foot operated switch and that is the handiest thing ever! Especially when running a cylinder hone it's the only way to do in my opinion. I would never run a hone on it if it weren't for that foot switch. phil k. |
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On 2011-04-15, Phil Kangas wrote:
"Doug White" When I bought my lathe (an Emco Maier Super 11), I paid extra to get a fast shutdown version. It has a foot bar across the front that you can stomp on that shuts off the motor & applies a brake. They sold that version primarily to schools, but it's come in handy on at least one occasion where a plastic part flexed and slipped in the chuck. I view it primarily as a device to help save the lathe from damage, but it's nice to know it's there if I need it for whatever might go wrong. Doug White My Turn-Pro 13x40 has this feature. My foot has learned where it is. heh heh .... My floor model drill press also has a foot operated switch and that is the handiest thing ever! Especially when running a cylinder hone it's the only way to do in my opinion. I would never run a hone on it if it weren't for that foot switch. phil k. I will soon add this feature to my VFD on the lathe. The principal use of it would be to act as a limit stop, actuated by the cariage reaching its intended destination. It will also double as a way to stop the machine with a big red e-stop button. I am tired of the mechanical clutch bull****. i |
Student killed by lathe
On Apr 15, 2:26*pm, Doug White wrote:
Joe Pfeiffer wrote et: Ignoramus10266 writes: On 2011-04-14, RogerN wrote: Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ex.html?eref=m rss_igoogle_cnn I was certified as a lathe operator in Russia. Over there, women lathe operators are forbidden from having long hair. I expect (and hope!) her lab safety course covered hair nets. *Banning long hair would be more effective.... *but we are talking about grownups here. I was a student at the Maine Maritime Academy as part of the MIT Ocean Engineering Summer Lab program in 1977. *The Academy had a huge machine shop with a lot of heavy duty equipment for repairing ships, but it was rarely used by any women, and the male cadets all had short hair. *A woman MIT student with long frizzy hair was using a massive floor standing drill press. *She had her hair tied up, as was required by the safety rules. *However, a wisp had escaped & got caught in the grease on the spindle. *That pulled a bit more hair in, and there was a cascade effect. *It proceeded to drag her head in against the spinning shaft while I launched myself across the shop to shut it down. *I was proclaimed a hero for saving her, but the press was old, and poorly maintained. *It was supposed to have three flat drive belts, but only had one installed, which had started slipping before I could shut it off. *If that belt was tighter, or more than one was installed, I have no doubt that it would have broken her neck long before I had the time to shut it off. Hair nets became mandatory immediately there after. *Not too many people had a problem with the edict after the incident. When I bought my lathe (an Emco Maier Super 11), I paid extra to get a fast shutdown version. *It has a foot bar across the front that you can stomp on that shuts off the motor & applies a brake. *They sold that version primarily to schools, but it's come in handy on at least one occasion where a plastic part flexed and slipped in the chuck. *I view it primarily as a device to help save the lathe from damage, but it's nice to know it's there if I need it for whatever might go wrong. Doug White- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Good idea about the Emco safety feature. If any good comes out of this girl's sad story, it is that many of us will look at our tools with a renewed respect for what they can do to us if we disregard safety rules. It is conceviable that her story saved a life...maybe one of ours. TMT |
Student killed by lathe
"T.Alan Kraus" wrote in message ... How the **** did you convert a perfectly harmless post about long hair and rotating power tools to a political diatribe. Are you insane? New here, huh? Steve |
Student killed by lathe
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 01:45:36 -0500, Tim Wescott
wrote: On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:01:23 -0500, RogerN wrote: Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...th/index.html? eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn I ended up cutting off a very nice ponytail when I was in my early 20's, in large part because I didn't feel comfortable with it around power tools or car engines. Once it's down to the middle of your back, braided, there's not much you can do to give you 100% confidence that it won't flop down into the machinery. Keeping my hair good and short gives me that confidence. When I was running an alarm company..I had one new hire that simply HAD to have a long pony tail. He wouldnt cut it for love nor money. He was on a 10' step ladder, drilling a hole with a 48" long drill bit up through the ceiling of a church to place a smoke detector. He managed to get his hair snagged on the shank of that drill bit, which was being turned by a Milwaukie Hole Hog (right angle).. He managed to shut off the drill, but paniced and slipped and fell off the ladder. Ill see if I can find and scan the photos I took of both him..and that drill and bit hanging from the ceiling..with a BIG wad of black hair wrapped around it. along with a bit of his scalp. He quit the next day...sure looked funny as hell with a spot about 4" in diameter showing skull bone through the ripped out hole in his scalp. Gunner -- "If I say two plus two is four and a Democrat says two plus two is eight, it's not a partial victory for me when we agree that two plus two is six. " Jonah Goldberg (modified) |
Student killed by lathe
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Student killed by lathe
Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 01:45:36 -0500, Tim Wescott On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:01:23 -0500, RogerN wrote: Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...th/index.html? eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn I ended up cutting off a very nice ponytail when I was in my early 20's, in large part because I didn't feel comfortable with it around power tools or car engines. Once it's down to the middle of your back, braided, there's not much you can do to give you 100% confidence that it won't flop down into the machinery. Keeping my hair good and short gives me that confidence. When I was running an alarm company..I had one new hire that simply HAD to have a long pony tail. He wouldnt cut it for love nor money. So, the idiot cheated Darwin. But tell me, if the drill was in front of him, how did he manage to entrain his "pony tail", which is usually on the back of the head, into the drill shank? Thanks, Rich |
Student killed by lathe
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 10:40:36 -0700, Rich Grise
wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 01:45:36 -0500, Tim Wescott On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:01:23 -0500, RogerN wrote: Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...th/index.html? eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn I ended up cutting off a very nice ponytail when I was in my early 20's, in large part because I didn't feel comfortable with it around power tools or car engines. Once it's down to the middle of your back, braided, there's not much you can do to give you 100% confidence that it won't flop down into the machinery. Keeping my hair good and short gives me that confidence. When I was running an alarm company..I had one new hire that simply HAD to have a long pony tail. He wouldnt cut it for love nor money. So, the idiot cheated Darwin. But tell me, if the drill was in front of him, how did he manage to entrain his "pony tail", which is usually on the back of the head, into the drill shank? Thanks, Rich He was drilling upwards into the ceiling..and bending over the drill motor pushing upwards hard...his hair simply got over his shoulder and in front of him...right where the drill was turning... Shrug Gunner -- "If I say two plus two is four and a Democrat says two plus two is eight, it's not a partial victory for me when we agree that two plus two is six. " Jonah Goldberg (modified) |
Student killed by lathe
"Phil Kangas" wrote in news:ioadqj$8p6$1@dont-
email.me: "Doug White" When I bought my lathe (an Emco Maier Super 11), I paid extra to get a fast shutdown version. It has a foot bar across the front that you can stomp on that shuts off the motor & applies a brake. They sold that version primarily to schools, but it's come in handy on at least one occasion where a plastic part flexed and slipped in the chuck. I view it primarily as a device to help save the lathe from damage, but it's nice to know it's there if I need it for whatever might go wrong. Doug White My Turn-Pro 13x40 has this feature. My foot has learned where it is. heh heh .... My floor model drill press also has a foot operated switch and that is the handiest thing ever! Especially when running a cylinder hone it's the only way to do in my opinion. I would never run a hone on it if it weren't for that foot switch. phil k. For some things, a foot pedal is really a great device. I have one for my old single speed Dremel, and it beats the pants off of the variable speed controls on the handpiece. Unfortunately, you can't use it with the newer Dremels with an integral speed control. They argue and eventually the wimpy controller in the Dremel dies. My Dremel is over 35 years old, and it's getting tired. For decades, you couldn't get a fixed speed Dremel with ball bearings anymore, but they seem to have fixed that recently. I'll have to pick one up before they discontinue them. They've already stopped making the foot pedals, probably because too many people burned out their variable speed Dremels with them. Doug White |
Student killed by lathe
Jon Anderson wrote in news:8MEpp.12848$7k6.23@en-
nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com: On 4/14/2011 4:01 AM, Larry Jaques wrote: Just as I got to terminal velocity, my hair gracefully draped its way under one of the wheels and I came to a screeching halt, literally. I got my wake up call in work experience at NASA. Hair was well past my shoulders, and when I started there, the obviously very straight laced foreman showed me some very gory photos of scalp jobs. I assure him I'd be careful. Month or so later, I was leaning into my work on a drill press, when the chuck snatched and pulled a dozen hairs or so. Next day my hair was considerably shorter... I gave up on long hair in the early 70's after soldering a small circuit board onto several strands. When I sat up, the board was dangling in front of my face. It never got long enough to tie back, and it also got in my eyes when I was target shooting. Just not worth the hassle, even if the ladies said it looked better longer. Doug White |
Student killed by lathe
wrote in message ... snip In short the Du Pont company pretty much did all those things that you claim are only done because of the Democrats and did it before there was a Democratic party. Dan Don't feed the troll. |
Student killed by lathe
"Ignoramus10266" wrote in message ... On 2011-04-14, RogerN wrote: Be careful! Yale senior dies in machine shop accident http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/04/13/yal...ss_igoogle_cnn I was certified as a lathe operator in Russia. Over there, women lathe operators are forbidden from having long hair. i What about their beards? |
Student killed by lathe
Just guessing, that women are also forbidden beards.
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Tom Gardner" w@w wrote in message ... I was certified as a lathe operator in Russia. Over there, women lathe operators are forbidden from having long hair. What about their beards? |
Student killed by lathe
On Apr 16, 1:28*pm, Hawke wrote:
Which means you can't take a company like Du Pont, that acted unlike the majority of companies, and use it to prove your point. Hawke My point was that your statement was a generalization and not totally true. For that point Du Pont was the perfect example. If you thought my point was that the old days were great with companies all doing their best to be safe you were wrong. I believe Ford made seat belts standard equipment before there were any regulations that required them. I know that at the time most car buyers did not want seat belts and for many years the majority of drivers did not use seat belts. Even now many people do not use seat belts even though the law says it is a requirement. I checked and the federal law requiring seat belts was not passed until 1966 or 1968. Ford and Chrysler started selling cars with seat belts in 1956, ten years before the federal law. So looks like your story of them fighting tooth and nail is incorrect. Dan |
Student killed by lathe
On Apr 16, 1:52*pm, Too_Many_Tools
Another side of the Du Pont story... TMT http://www.oldhickoryrecord.com/PowderPay.htm http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/dupont.html You are pointing out that when Du Pont opened a plant in Nashville, the other businesses complained that Du Pont was paying too much and their workers were quiting to go to work for Du Pont? |
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