They have six reactors. As far as I know, each reactor has 180 tons of
spent fuel rods in water pools. The pools are giant steel bathtubs
suspended in the air. Each pool starts boiling if water in it is not
cooled. The steam is moderately radioactive.

The water will not be cooled if the plan is abandoned. The plant IS
abandoned. The water is not cooled.

Some pools are already boiling, as far as I can tell, from the copious
white steam clouds emitted.

Assume the slowest development of events, that no pools are
breached. (if they are breached and dry, everything will develop a few
days faster).

If the water is not cooled, it will boil off in a week (also as far as
I know).

Then every pool will turn into a white hot pile of burning nuclear
fuel waste rods.

The pile will melt/fall through the steel bottom of the pool, to the
floor of reinforced concrete buildings, where the resulting pile/lake
of white hot material will be evaporating due to extreme temperature,
an analog of burning, but without any need for oxygen.

In any case, if those white hot waste fuel lakes stay on the surface
and do not eat through and submerge through the soil and concrete,
they will be emitting radiation for years, at a high level, and this
will end, likely, when they evaporate almost fully.

That's the bad news -- 1,080 tons of nuclear waste has, more or less,
nowhere else to go other than to the sky.

The good news, is that most of the material will fall in the Pacific
ocean, where it will dissipate. However, if winds do not cooperate,
there is enough of material to render big parts of Japan unlivable for
a long time, due to long half life of most isotopes in said waste.

The other bad news is that the prevailing winds are towards the United
States, going straight to Larry Jacques' backyard. Hopefully, most
stuff will settle down in the ocean.

If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

"Ignoramus19837" wrote in message
...
They have six reactors. As far as I know, each reactor has 180 tons of
spent fuel rods in water pools. The pools are giant steel bathtubs
suspended in the air. Each pool starts boiling if water in it is not
cooled. The steam is moderately radioactive.

The water will not be cooled if the plan is abandoned. The plant IS
abandoned. The water is not cooled.

Some pools are already boiling, as far as I can tell, from the copious
white steam clouds emitted.

Assume the slowest development of events, that no pools are
breached. (if they are breached and dry, everything will develop a few
days faster).

If the water is not cooled, it will boil off in a week (also as far as
I know).

Then every pool will turn into a white hot pile of burning nuclear
fuel waste rods.

The pile will melt/fall through the steel bottom of the pool, to the
floor of reinforced concrete buildings, where the resulting pile/lake
of white hot material will be evaporating due to extreme temperature,
an analog of burning, but without any need for oxygen.

In any case, if those white hot waste fuel lakes stay on the surface
and do not eat through and submerge through the soil and concrete,
they will be emitting radiation for years, at a high level, and this
will end, likely, when they evaporate almost fully.

That's the bad news -- 1,080 tons of nuclear waste has, more or less,
nowhere else to go other than to the sky.

The good news, is that most of the material will fall in the Pacific
ocean, where it will dissipate. However, if winds do not cooperate,
there is enough of material to render big parts of Japan unlivable for
a long time, due to long half life of most isotopes in said waste.

The other bad news is that the prevailing winds are towards the United
States, going straight to Larry Jacques' backyard. Hopefully, most
stuff will settle down in the ocean.

Which is not such good news either.


If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

Heh, fuknJapan does it again....
Killed/vivisectioned 39,000,000 chinese pre/during WW II, now she's gonna
**** a good part of the world in the ass once again.....
Too bad we can't selectively direct all that radioactivity to Wash. DC, Wall
Street, and to Microsoft -- do sumpn useful with it....

But dat ****ty li'l self-obsessed country just never quits....
--
EA

On 2011-03-16, Existential Angst wrote:
"Ignoramus19837" wrote in message
If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

Heh, fuknJapan does it again....
Killed/vivisectioned 39,000,000 chinese pre/during WW II, now she's gonna
**** a good part of the world in the ass once again.....
Too bad we can't selectively direct all that radioactivity to Wash. DC, Wall
Street, and to Microsoft -- do sumpn useful with it....

Um, it is going to Microsoft.

i

On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:49:37 -0500, Ignoramus19837
wrote:

On 2011-03-16, Existential Angst wrote:
"Ignoramus19837" wrote in message
If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

Heh, fuknJapan does it again....
Killed/vivisectioned 39,000,000 chinese pre/during WW II, now she's gonna
**** a good part of the world in the ass once again.....
Too bad we can't selectively direct all that radioactivity to Wash. DC, Wall
Street, and to Microsoft -- do sumpn useful with it....

Um, it is going to Microsoft.

Wow, maybe it'll result in a genetic mutation of Windows which doesn't
crash and is immune to virii!

--
Small opportunities are often the beginning of great enterprises.
-- Demosthenes

On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:56:31 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:49:37 -0500, Ignoramus19837
wrote:
Um, it is going to Microsoft.

Wow, maybe it'll result in a genetic mutation of Windows which doesn't
crash and is immune to virii!

That is unlikely. What is likely is that Bill Gates will flee to the
safety of low Earth orbit in the secret space shuttle he keeps parked
in a launch tube built under his house.
Dave

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:49:37 -0500, Ignoramus19837
wrote:

On 2011-03-16, Existential Angst wrote:
"Ignoramus19837" wrote in message
If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

Heh, fuknJapan does it again....
Killed/vivisectioned 39,000,000 chinese pre/during WW II, now she's gonna
**** a good part of the world in the ass once again.....
Too bad we can't selectively direct all that radioactivity to Wash. DC, Wall
Street, and to Microsoft -- do sumpn useful with it....

Um, it is going to Microsoft.

Wow, maybe it'll result in a genetic mutation of Windows which doesn't
crash and is immune to virii!

--
Small opportunities are often the beginning of great enterprises.
-- Demosthenes


Windows will morph into Linux? OK!

Ignoramus19837 wrote:
On 2011-03-16, Existential wrote:
id wrote in message
If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

Heh, fuknJapan does it again....
Killed/vivisectioned 39,000,000 chinese pre/during WW II, now she's gonna
**** a good part of the world in the ass once again.....
Too bad we can't selectively direct all that radioactivity to Wash. DC, Wall
Street, and to Microsoft -- do sumpn useful with it....

Um, it is going to Microsoft.

Not that I can see.

http://www.radiationnetwork.com/

--Winston

On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:01:33 -0700, Winston
wrote:

Ignoramus19837 wrote:
On 2011-03-16, Existential wrote:
id wrote in message
If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

Heh, fuknJapan does it again....
Killed/vivisectioned 39,000,000 chinese pre/during WW II, now she's gonna
**** a good part of the world in the ass once again.....
Too bad we can't selectively direct all that radioactivity to Wash. DC, Wall
Street, and to Microsoft -- do sumpn useful with it....

Um, it is going to Microsoft.

Not that I can see.

http://www.radiationnetwork.com/

I'll have to keep checking that over the next weeks...

--
Small opportunities are often the beginning of great enterprises.
-- Demosthenes

Ignoramus19837 wrote:

They have six reactors. As far as I know, each reactor has 180 tons of
spent fuel rods in water pools. The pools are giant steel bathtubs
suspended in the air. Each pool starts boiling if water in it is not
cooled. The steam is moderately radioactive.

The water will not be cooled if the plan is abandoned. The plant IS
abandoned. The water is not cooled.

Some pools are already boiling, as far as I can tell, from the copious
white steam clouds emitted.

Assume the slowest development of events, that no pools are
breached. (if they are breached and dry, everything will develop a few
days faster).

If the water is not cooled, it will boil off in a week (also as far as
I know).

Then every pool will turn into a white hot pile of burning nuclear
fuel waste rods.

The pile will melt/fall through the steel bottom of the pool, to the
floor of reinforced concrete buildings, where the resulting pile/lake
of white hot material will be evaporating due to extreme temperature,
an analog of burning, but without any need for oxygen.

In any case, if those white hot waste fuel lakes stay on the surface
and do not eat through and submerge through the soil and concrete,
they will be emitting radiation for years, at a high level, and this
will end, likely, when they evaporate almost fully.

That's the bad news -- 1,080 tons of nuclear waste has, more or less,
nowhere else to go other than to the sky.

The good news, is that most of the material will fall in the Pacific
ocean, where it will dissipate. However, if winds do not cooperate,
there is enough of material to render big parts of Japan unlivable for
a long time, due to long half life of most isotopes in said waste.

The other bad news is that the prevailing winds are towards the United
States, going straight to Larry Jacques' backyard. Hopefully, most
stuff will settle down in the ocean.

If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

Sounds like the anti-nuke crowd is to blame since they have been
fighting against both a proper safe long term storage facility, as well
as reprocessing of the "spent" fuel.

On 2011-03-16, Pete C. wrote:

Ignoramus19837 wrote:

They have six reactors. As far as I know, each reactor has 180 tons of
spent fuel rods in water pools. The pools are giant steel bathtubs
suspended in the air. Each pool starts boiling if water in it is not
cooled. The steam is moderately radioactive.

The water will not be cooled if the plan is abandoned. The plant IS
abandoned. The water is not cooled.

Some pools are already boiling, as far as I can tell, from the copious
white steam clouds emitted.

Assume the slowest development of events, that no pools are
breached. (if they are breached and dry, everything will develop a few
days faster).

If the water is not cooled, it will boil off in a week (also as far as
I know).

Then every pool will turn into a white hot pile of burning nuclear
fuel waste rods.

The pile will melt/fall through the steel bottom of the pool, to the
floor of reinforced concrete buildings, where the resulting pile/lake
of white hot material will be evaporating due to extreme temperature,
an analog of burning, but without any need for oxygen.

In any case, if those white hot waste fuel lakes stay on the surface
and do not eat through and submerge through the soil and concrete,
they will be emitting radiation for years, at a high level, and this
will end, likely, when they evaporate almost fully.

That's the bad news -- 1,080 tons of nuclear waste has, more or less,
nowhere else to go other than to the sky.

The good news, is that most of the material will fall in the Pacific
ocean, where it will dissipate. However, if winds do not cooperate,
there is enough of material to render big parts of Japan unlivable for
a long time, due to long half life of most isotopes in said waste.

The other bad news is that the prevailing winds are towards the United
States, going straight to Larry Jacques' backyard. Hopefully, most
stuff will settle down in the ocean.

If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

Sounds like the anti-nuke crowd is to blame since they have been
fighting against both a proper safe long term storage facility, as well
as reprocessing of the "spent" fuel.

I happen to agree with this, at least if this was in the US. I have no
idea what exactly is/was the nuclear politics in Japan.

I know that the French reprocess their fuel, and the Russians make
giant glass rods, where the nuclear waste is dissolved in molten glass
and then solidifies into large glass cylinders. Those cylinders are
sufficiently inert and stay cool without any need for forced cooling.

If these glass cylinders break due to any accident, it is just a bunch
of glass pieces, staying in one place. It would be radioactive and
would need careful treatment, but not at all a disaster.

If the Japanese waste fuel was in form of those rods, the future would
look a lot brighter.

i

"Pete C." wrote:

Sounds like the anti-nuke crowd is to blame since they have been
fighting against both a proper safe long term storage facility, as well
as reprocessing of the "spent" fuel.

Does that mean all of that spent fuel
would have been shipped to the US
if the US had been less negative towards nuclear power?

jim wrote:

"Pete C." wrote:

Sounds like the anti-nuke crowd is to blame since they have been
fighting against both a proper safe long term storage facility, as well
as reprocessing of the "spent" fuel.

Does that mean all of that spent fuel
would have been shipped to the US
if the US had been less negative towards nuclear power?

Who knows, it certainly could have been. There has been plenty of talk
of the US and Russia acting as nuclear fuel suppliers and reprocessors
to the world as a means to keep better control on the parts of the
process that could be used to produce weapons grade material.

On 2011-03-16, Pete C. wrote:
Does that mean all of that spent fuel
would have been shipped to the US
if the US had been less negative towards nuclear power?

Who knows, it certainly could have been. There has been plenty of talk
of the US and Russia acting as nuclear fuel suppliers and reprocessors
to the world as a means to keep better control on the parts of the
process that could be used to produce weapons grade material.

The saddest part is that ways to store nuclear waste safely, are well
known.

I went to a drug store today and picked the last two bottles of
potassium iodide, also known as colorless iodide from the scrapes and
cuts section.

I do not expect to need it, even if the plant does becomer a multiyear
disaster. However, I do not want to be a sucker and be without it,
should I be wrong and need it.

I already have only 1/3 of my thyroid left.

i

On Mar 16, 12:57*pm, Ignoramus19837 ignoramus19...@NOSPAM.
19837.invalid wrote:

The saddest part is that ways to store nuclear waste safely, are well
known.

Yes. In teacups on Tom's patio :-)

On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:51:46 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Ignoramus19837 wrote:

The other bad news is that the prevailing winds are towards the United
States, going straight to Larry Jacques' backyard. Hopefully, most
stuff will settle down in the ocean.

(Note to Ig: There is no "c" in Jaques.)


If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

Sounds like the anti-nuke crowd is to blame since they have been
fighting against both a proper safe long term storage facility, as well
as reprocessing of the "spent" fuel.

That's it. We're 3 generations behind in safety because of the
greenies. It's their fault. Reprocessing would have eliminated about
95% of the waste stream.

--
Small opportunities are often the beginning of great enterprises.
-- Demosthenes

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...


(Note to Ig: There is no "c" in Jaques.)


There's no "P" in Larry...the diuretics are WORKING!

There is no L in "Mormon". The L, I say?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Tom Gardner" w@w wrote in message
...

"Larry Jaques" wrote in
message
...


(Note to Ig: There is no "c" in Jaques.)


There's no "P" in Larry...the diuretics are WORKING!

On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:29:55 -0400, "Tom Gardner" w@w wrote:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .


(Note to Ig: There is no "c" in Jaques.)


There's no "P" in Larry...the diuretics are WORKING!

It's that 20 minute trigger which ****es me off.

--
Small opportunities are often the beginning of great enterprises.
-- Demosthenes

On 2011-03-16, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:51:46 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Ignoramus19837 wrote:

The other bad news is that the prevailing winds are towards the United
States, going straight to Larry Jacques' backyard. Hopefully, most
stuff will settle down in the ocean.

(Note to Ig: There is no "c" in Jaques.)

I am sorry, Mr Jaques.


If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

Sounds like the anti-nuke crowd is to blame since they have been
fighting against both a proper safe long term storage facility, as well
as reprocessing of the "spent" fuel.

That's it. We're 3 generations behind in safety because of the
greenies. It's their fault. Reprocessing would have eliminated about
95% of the waste stream.


I wish that all that could be rationally addressed.

i

On Mar 16, 8:51*am, "Pete C." wrote:
Ignoramus19837 wrote:

They have six reactors. As far as I know, each reactor has 180 tons of
spent fuel rods in water pools. The pools are giant steel bathtubs
suspended in the air. Each pool starts boiling if water in it is not
cooled. The steam is moderately radioactive.

The water will not be cooled if the plan is abandoned. The plant IS
abandoned. The water is not cooled.

Some pools are already boiling, as far as I can tell, from the copious
white steam clouds emitted.

Assume the slowest development of events, that no pools are
breached. (if they are breached and dry, everything will develop a few
days faster).

If the water is not cooled, it will boil off in a week (also as far as
I know).

Then every pool will turn into a white hot pile of burning nuclear
fuel waste rods.

The pile will melt/fall through the steel bottom of the pool, to the
floor of reinforced concrete buildings, where the resulting pile/lake
of white hot material will be evaporating due to extreme temperature,
an analog of burning, but without any need for oxygen.

In any case, if those white hot waste fuel lakes stay on the surface
and do not eat through and submerge through the soil and concrete,
they will be emitting radiation for years, at a high level, and this
will end, likely, when they evaporate almost fully.

That's the bad news -- 1,080 tons of nuclear waste has, more or less,
nowhere else to go other than to the sky.

The good news, is that most of the material will fall in the Pacific
ocean, where it will dissipate. However, if winds do not cooperate,
there is enough of material to render big parts of Japan unlivable for
a long time, due to long half life of most isotopes in said waste.

The other bad news is that the prevailing winds are towards the United
States, going straight to Larry Jacques' backyard. Hopefully, most
stuff will settle down in the ocean.

If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

Sounds like the anti-nuke crowd is to blame since they have been
fighting against both a proper safe long term storage facility, as well
as reprocessing of the "spent" fuel.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

These comments are likely the dumbest ones I will read today.

Would you like to store the spent fuel in your backyard?

TMT

Some pictures.

Originals:
http://www.digitalglobe.com/index.ph...magery+Gallery

If originals go away away:
http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Fukushima...ite-Pix-Mar16/


On 2011-03-16, Ignoramus19837 wrote:
They have six reactors. As far as I know, each reactor has 180 tons of
spent fuel rods in water pools. The pools are giant steel bathtubs
suspended in the air. Each pool starts boiling if water in it is not
cooled. The steam is moderately radioactive.

The water will not be cooled if the plan is abandoned. The plant IS
abandoned. The water is not cooled.

Some pools are already boiling, as far as I can tell, from the copious
white steam clouds emitted.

Assume the slowest development of events, that no pools are
breached. (if they are breached and dry, everything will develop a few
days faster).

If the water is not cooled, it will boil off in a week (also as far as
I know).

Then every pool will turn into a white hot pile of burning nuclear
fuel waste rods.

The pile will melt/fall through the steel bottom of the pool, to the
floor of reinforced concrete buildings, where the resulting pile/lake
of white hot material will be evaporating due to extreme temperature,
an analog of burning, but without any need for oxygen.

In any case, if those white hot waste fuel lakes stay on the surface
and do not eat through and submerge through the soil and concrete,
they will be emitting radiation for years, at a high level, and this
will end, likely, when they evaporate almost fully.

That's the bad news -- 1,080 tons of nuclear waste has, more or less,
nowhere else to go other than to the sky.

The good news, is that most of the material will fall in the Pacific
ocean, where it will dissipate. However, if winds do not cooperate,
there is enough of material to render big parts of Japan unlivable for
a long time, due to long half life of most isotopes in said waste.

The other bad news is that the prevailing winds are towards the United
States, going straight to Larry Jacques' backyard. Hopefully, most
stuff will settle down in the ocean.

If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

Also look at the pdf, it is extremely helpful.

http://www.digitalglobe.com/download..._March2011.pdf

same is on my webpage, just in case.

i

On 2011-03-16, Ignoramus19837 wrote:
Some pictures.

Originals:
http://www.digitalglobe.com/index.ph...magery+Gallery

If originals go away away:
http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Fukushima...ite-Pix-Mar16/


On 2011-03-16, Ignoramus19837 wrote:
They have six reactors. As far as I know, each reactor has 180 tons of
spent fuel rods in water pools. The pools are giant steel bathtubs
suspended in the air. Each pool starts boiling if water in it is not
cooled. The steam is moderately radioactive.

The water will not be cooled if the plan is abandoned. The plant IS
abandoned. The water is not cooled.

Some pools are already boiling, as far as I can tell, from the copious
white steam clouds emitted.

Assume the slowest development of events, that no pools are
breached. (if they are breached and dry, everything will develop a few
days faster).

If the water is not cooled, it will boil off in a week (also as far as
I know).

Then every pool will turn into a white hot pile of burning nuclear
fuel waste rods.

The pile will melt/fall through the steel bottom of the pool, to the
floor of reinforced concrete buildings, where the resulting pile/lake
of white hot material will be evaporating due to extreme temperature,
an analog of burning, but without any need for oxygen.

In any case, if those white hot waste fuel lakes stay on the surface
and do not eat through and submerge through the soil and concrete,
they will be emitting radiation for years, at a high level, and this
will end, likely, when they evaporate almost fully.

That's the bad news -- 1,080 tons of nuclear waste has, more or less,
nowhere else to go other than to the sky.

The good news, is that most of the material will fall in the Pacific
ocean, where it will dissipate. However, if winds do not cooperate,
there is enough of material to render big parts of Japan unlivable for
a long time, due to long half life of most isotopes in said waste.

The other bad news is that the prevailing winds are towards the United
States, going straight to Larry Jacques' backyard. Hopefully, most
stuff will settle down in the ocean.

If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:18:20 -0500, Ignoramus19837
wrote:
--snip--
The good news, is that most of the material will fall in the Pacific
ocean, where it will dissipate. However, if winds do not cooperate,
there is enough of material to render big parts of Japan unlivable for
a long time, due to long half life of most isotopes in said waste.

The other bad news is that the prevailing winds are towards the United
States, going straight to Larry Jacques' backyard. Hopefully, most
stuff will settle down in the ocean.

Yeah, I know. sigh Well, I didn't want to live forever anyway.
I just hope it's either clean enough to not cause any side effects at
all or dirty enough to be a quick, clean death.

And what doesn't drop on me will hit the rest of the USA.

Arrrrrrrrrrrgh!


If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

Nasty thought.

--
Small opportunities are often the beginning of great enterprises.
-- Demosthenes

Ignoramus19837 wrote:

Just a nitpick, but the transliteration from the Japanese
is "Fu-ku-shi-ma."

"Fuk-u-shima" tempts me to say, "Same to you, shima!"

Hope This Helps!
Rich

On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:14:02 -0700, Rich Grise
wrote:

Ignoramus19837 wrote:

Just a nitpick, but the transliteration from the Japanese
is "Fu-ku-shi-ma."

"Fuk-u-shima" tempts me to say, "Same to you, shima!"

Hope This Helps!
Rich

I worked for a Japanese company. My direct supervisor's last name was
"Shima". I prefer Fuk-U-Shima.
Dave

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On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:14:02 -0700, Rich Grise
wrote:

Ignoramus19837 wrote:

Just a nitpick, but the transliteration from the Japanese
is "Fu-ku-shi-ma."

"Fuk-u-shima" tempts me to say, "Same to you, shima!"

Hope This Helps!
Rich

I worked for a Japanese company. My direct supervisor's last name was
"Shima". I prefer Fuk-U-Shima.
Dave

I used to visit one of our company's factories in Fukui. I really had to
watch my mouth with that one...

--
Ed Huntress

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On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:14:02 -0700, Rich Grise
wrote:

Ignoramus19837 wrote:

Just a nitpick, but the transliteration from the Japanese
is "Fu-ku-shi-ma."

"Fuk-u-shima" tempts me to say, "Same to you, shima!"

Hope This Helps!
Rich

I worked for a Japanese company. My direct supervisor's last name was
"Shima". I prefer Fuk-U-Shima.
Dave

I used to visit one of our company's factories in Fukui. I really had to
watch my mouth with that one...

--
Ed Huntress

Fuku burgers are the best.

http://www.fukuburger.com/menu/

Best Regards
Tom.G

"azotic" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:14:02 -0700, Rich Grise
wrote:

Ignoramus19837 wrote:

Just a nitpick, but the transliteration from the Japanese
is "Fu-ku-shi-ma."

"Fuk-u-shima" tempts me to say, "Same to you, shima!"

Hope This Helps!
Rich

I worked for a Japanese company. My direct supervisor's last name was
"Shima". I prefer Fuk-U-Shima.
Dave

I used to visit one of our company's factories in Fukui. I really had to
watch my mouth with that one...

--
Ed Huntress

Fuku burgers are the best.

http://www.fukuburger.com/menu/

Mmmmmm...'dem Fuku Pig Burgers look yummy. Is that ketchup or blood drooling
down the side?

I think that's the company that supplied the burgers for our cafeteria at
Michigan State. "You want to know what's in that burger? Fuku!"

--
Ed Huntress



Best Regards
Tom.G

On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:19:04 -0700, "azotic"
wrote:

Fuku burgers are the best.

http://www.fukuburger.com/menu/

Then there's the bird: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D2VdaM8OcM

--
A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on.
-- William S. Burroughs

On Mar 17, 12:52*am, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:14:02 -0700, Rich Grise

wrote:
Ignoramus19837 wrote:

Just a nitpick, but the transliteration from the Japanese
is "Fu-ku-shi-ma."

"Fuk-u-shima" tempts me to say, "Same to you, shima!"

Hope This Helps!
Rich

I worked for a Japanese company. My direct supervisor's last name was
"Shima". I prefer Fuk-U-Shima.
Dave

Shima means Island.

Ignoramus19837 ignoramus19837 NOSPAM.19837.invalid wrote:

They have six reactors. As far as I know, each reactor has 180
tons of spent fuel rods in water pools. The pools are giant
steel bathtubs suspended in the air. Each pool starts boiling if
water in it is not cooled. The steam is moderately radioactive.

The water will not be cooled if the plan is abandoned. The plant
IS abandoned. The water is not cooled.

Sounds like you're reacting to the constant gushing of
misinformation from the one-way media.

The one-way media cries "They are holding back information about
the nuclear meltdown that is destroying all of Japan!"

And their entertainment crazed audience eats that garbage, hook,
line, and sinker.

Yesterday, one of the major news outlets was talking to some
"expert" who said the wind direction out to sea will help prevent
problems. The one-way media jackass replied "That's very bad, if
EVERYTHING depends on the wind direction". Nobody said EVERYTHING
depended on the wind direction, that was just the asshole's way of
blowing what he was told out of proportion.

It is really very silly and sad IMO. Many thousands of people have
died from the quakes and tsunamis, and the one-way media has its
brainwashed masses fixated on the nuclear power issue.

And when it's all over, when things settle down, your brainwashed
little minds will be subtly shifted to the next entertaining story
with no memory of the Japan "nuclear meltdown".
--
















Some pools are already boiling, as far as I can tell, from the copious
white steam clouds emitted.

Assume the slowest development of events, that no pools are
breached. (if they are breached and dry, everything will develop a few
days faster).

If the water is not cooled, it will boil off in a week (also as far as
I know).

Then every pool will turn into a white hot pile of burning nuclear
fuel waste rods.

The pile will melt/fall through the steel bottom of the pool, to the
floor of reinforced concrete buildings, where the resulting pile/lake
of white hot material will be evaporating due to extreme temperature,
an analog of burning, but without any need for oxygen.

In any case, if those white hot waste fuel lakes stay on the surface
and do not eat through and submerge through the soil and concrete,
they will be emitting radiation for years, at a high level, and this
will end, likely, when they evaporate almost fully.

That's the bad news -- 1,080 tons of nuclear waste has, more or less,
nowhere else to go other than to the sky.

The good news, is that most of the material will fall in the Pacific
ocean, where it will dissipate. However, if winds do not cooperate,
there is enough of material to render big parts of Japan unlivable for
a long time, due to long half life of most isotopes in said waste.

The other bad news is that the prevailing winds are towards the United
States, going straight to Larry Jacques' backyard. Hopefully, most
stuff will settle down in the ocean.

If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

On Mar 18, 2:02*am, John Doe wrote:
Ignoramus19837 ignoramus19837 NOSPAM.19837.invalid wrote:
They have six reactors. As far as I know, each reactor has 180
tons of spent fuel rods in water pools. The pools are giant
steel bathtubs suspended in the air. Each pool starts boiling if
water in it is not cooled. The steam is moderately radioactive.

The water will not be cooled if the plan is abandoned. The plant
IS abandoned. The water is not cooled.

Sounds like you're reacting to the constant gushing of
misinformation from the one-way media.

The one-way media cries "They are holding back information about
the nuclear meltdown that is destroying all of Japan!"

And their entertainment crazed audience eats that garbage, hook,
line, and sinker.

Yesterday, one of the major news outlets was talking to some
"expert" who said the wind direction out to sea will help prevent
problems. The one-way media jackass replied "That's very bad, if
EVERYTHING depends on the wind direction". Nobody said EVERYTHING
depended on the wind direction, that was just the asshole's way of
blowing what he was told out of proportion.

It is really very silly and sad IMO. Many thousands of people have
died from the quakes and tsunamis, and the one-way media has its
brainwashed masses fixated on the nuclear power issue.

And when it's all over, when things settle down, your brainwashed
little minds will be subtly shifted to the next entertaining story
with no memory of the Japan "nuclear meltdown".
--





Some pools are already boiling, as far as I can tell, from the copious
white steam clouds emitted.

Assume the slowest development of events, that no pools are
breached. (if they are breached and dry, everything will develop a few
days faster).

If the water is not cooled, it will boil off in a week (also as far as
I know).

Then every pool will turn into a white hot pile of burning nuclear
fuel waste rods.

The pile will melt/fall through the steel bottom of the pool, to the
floor of reinforced concrete buildings, where the resulting pile/lake
of white hot material will be evaporating due to extreme temperature,
an analog of burning, but without any need for oxygen.

In any case, if those white hot waste fuel lakes stay on the surface
and do not eat through and submerge through the soil and concrete,
they will be emitting radiation for years, at a high level, and this
will end, likely, when they evaporate almost fully.

That's the bad news -- 1,080 tons of nuclear waste has, more or less,
nowhere else to go other than to the sky.

The good news, is that most of the material will fall in the Pacific
ocean, where it will dissipate. However, if winds do not cooperate,
there is enough of material to render big parts of Japan unlivable for
a long time, due to long half life of most isotopes in said waste.

The other bad news is that the prevailing winds are towards the United
States, going straight to Larry Jacques' backyard. Hopefully, most
stuff will settle down in the ocean.

If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You really don't know anything.

Do you watch Faux News?

TMT

Ignoramus19837 wrote:



If this bad scenario materializes, against my hope, then the solutions
will be dirty. One would be to drop large bombs on those buildings, in
order to spread the nuclear waste from the boiling white hot lakes,
over a large area. That would help with its cooling. Pellets spread
over several acres would cool down somewhat. Then, concrete could be
air dropped over the wide area just to encase everything. Concreting
the reactor buildings, pretty much, is impossible due to lack of
access to the inside, and due to the active lakes of spent fuel.

Uh, no, really bad plan, bombs throw big clouds of debris into the
atmosphere.

Pouring concrete or even a lot of sand could compress the spent fuel,
causing a nuclear chain reaction. Really, the only thing you can do is get
them under water if possible, or keep them wet. Old spent fuel could be
moved off-site, possibly by robotic gear. Recently removed fuel really
can't be dealt with, even a minute without water could lead to melting
and fire of the zirconium cladding.

Jon