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Denis G.[_2_] October 8th 10 01:27 PM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.

Tim Wescott October 8th 10 08:02 PM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On 10/08/2010 05:27 AM, Denis G. wrote:
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


Your question almost answers itself.

I don't feel much negative connotation with the term "jack of all
trades" although some might. Call yourself a "tinkerer", though, and
I'll think of you as someone who derives joy from turning screws and
pounding nails without ever actually getting something to work. I can
sympathize with that, but if I'm spending money to have work done I'm
spending money to have the work _finished_, not just messed with.

Describe your target market in more detail, and perhaps someone can help
more.

In high tech, an engineer who spans disciplines and who can ride herd on
the architecture of an entire system is called a "systems engineer",
"system architect" or other name with the word "system" in it.
Effective systems engineers have to be "jacks of all trades" within
engineering, although they're often "jack of all trades, master of one".

In home repair, a guy who can come in the door, fix a leaking hose to a
wash machine, tighten a door hinge or two, repair an outlet, and clean
the gutters on his way out is called a "Handyman".

If you're addressing a market that doesn't seem to have built-in
monikers, consider using adjectives related to "versatile",
"cross-discipline", etc.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

Spehro Pefhany October 8th 10 08:19 PM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 05:27:17 -0700 (PDT), "Denis G."
wrote:

Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


You said "business card".. what is the business or proposed business?

I won't want to pay someone to "tinker" (definitely not by the hour!),
and I might rather have an expert than a "jack of all trades" (and
master of none).

But if you are good at repairing stuff/maintenance, or consider
yourself a generalist.. that might start to sound useful. Card,
website (if any), brochures, personal appearance should all be
congruent with some kind of overall vision and unique selling
proposition. It doesn't have to be conventional, but it had better
appeal to the potential customers.


Ecnerwal[_3_] October 8th 10 08:20 PM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
In article
,
"Denis G." wrote:

Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


Probably not, without the cardee being already acquainted with your work
(assuming it's a positive thing to be acquainted with your work, of
course ;-) )

That, and there are so may trades that to really be jack of all is a bit
of a stretch. Just list all the ones you are half-decent at (and
actually care to do for money - I'm good at shoveling horse poop, and
I'll do it for my garden, but nobody wants to pay my rates for having
their horse poop shoveled.)

You do ceramic tile? Fiber optic connectors? Underwater welding? Replace
the jewels in an 18 jewel watch movement? Graft apple trees? Dig wells?
Castrate calves? Any no's and you're missing a trade or two...

And tinkering with things is generally seen as quite different than
repairing them - typically in the "messing about with systems you don't
understand" direction, despite roots in "traveling fixer of metal items,
especially pots and pans." And sometimes the "travelling" part was
important to get out of town before any of the "repaired" pots could be
used and the repair melted...

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

[email protected] October 8th 10 09:11 PM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:02:31 -0700, Tim Wescott
wrote:

On 10/08/2010 05:27 AM, Denis G. wrote:
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


Your question almost answers itself.

I don't feel much negative connotation with the term "jack of all
trades" although some might. Call yourself a "tinkerer", though, and
I'll think of you as someone who derives joy from turning screws and
pounding nails without ever actually getting something to work. I can
sympathize with that, but if I'm spending money to have work done I'm
spending money to have the work _finished_, not just messed with.

Describe your target market in more detail, and perhaps someone can help
more.

In high tech, an engineer who spans disciplines and who can ride herd on
the architecture of an entire system is called a "systems engineer",
"system architect" or other name with the word "system" in it.
Effective systems engineers have to be "jacks of all trades" within
engineering, although they're often "jack of all trades, master of one".

In home repair, a guy who can come in the door, fix a leaking hose to a
wash machine, tighten a door hinge or two, repair an outlet, and clean
the gutters on his way out is called a "Handyman".

If you're addressing a market that doesn't seem to have built-in
monikers, consider using adjectives related to "versatile",
"cross-discipline", etc.

How about "practical engineer"
or
"Mr Fixit"

Spehro Pefhany October 8th 10 09:57 PM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:11:51 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:02:31 -0700, Tim Wescott
wrote:

On 10/08/2010 05:27 AM, Denis G. wrote:
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


Your question almost answers itself.

I don't feel much negative connotation with the term "jack of all
trades" although some might. Call yourself a "tinkerer", though, and
I'll think of you as someone who derives joy from turning screws and
pounding nails without ever actually getting something to work. I can
sympathize with that, but if I'm spending money to have work done I'm
spending money to have the work _finished_, not just messed with.

Describe your target market in more detail, and perhaps someone can help
more.

In high tech, an engineer who spans disciplines and who can ride herd on
the architecture of an entire system is called a "systems engineer",
"system architect" or other name with the word "system" in it.
Effective systems engineers have to be "jacks of all trades" within
engineering, although they're often "jack of all trades, master of one".

In home repair, a guy who can come in the door, fix a leaking hose to a
wash machine, tighten a door hinge or two, repair an outlet, and clean
the gutters on his way out is called a "Handyman".

If you're addressing a market that doesn't seem to have built-in
monikers, consider using adjectives related to "versatile",
"cross-discipline", etc.


Cross-discipline sounds a bit kinky.

How about "practical engineer"


So the rest of us are impractical engineers?

"Mr Fixit"



Doug White October 8th 10 09:59 PM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
"Denis G." wrote in news:474bd85c-e86b-42f8-96ab-
:

Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


Of the two, I'd definitely go with "jack of all trades"

Then again, a friend of mine used to have cards that said "Dragons slain,
maidens rescued. Special rates for groups." in small print near the bottom.

Doug White

Tim Wescott October 8th 10 10:09 PM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On 10/08/2010 01:57 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:11:51 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:02:31 -0700, Tim
wrote:

On 10/08/2010 05:27 AM, Denis G. wrote:
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.

Your question almost answers itself.

I don't feel much negative connotation with the term "jack of all
trades" although some might. Call yourself a "tinkerer", though, and
I'll think of you as someone who derives joy from turning screws and
pounding nails without ever actually getting something to work. I can
sympathize with that, but if I'm spending money to have work done I'm
spending money to have the work _finished_, not just messed with.

Describe your target market in more detail, and perhaps someone can help
more.

In high tech, an engineer who spans disciplines and who can ride herd on
the architecture of an entire system is called a "systems engineer",
"system architect" or other name with the word "system" in it.
Effective systems engineers have to be "jacks of all trades" within
engineering, although they're often "jack of all trades, master of one".

In home repair, a guy who can come in the door, fix a leaking hose to a
wash machine, tighten a door hinge or two, repair an outlet, and clean
the gutters on his way out is called a "Handyman".

If you're addressing a market that doesn't seem to have built-in
monikers, consider using adjectives related to "versatile",
"cross-discipline", etc.


Cross-discipline sounds a bit kinky.

How about "practical engineer"


So the rest of us are impractical engineers?

I have known some profoundly impractical engineers. Not so bad that
they needed cross-discipline, though.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

Lloyd E. Sponenburgh[_3_] October 8th 10 10:19 PM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
"Denis G." fired this volley in news:474bd85c-
:

Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


Call yourself a "Universal Repair Service", but then narrow it down for a
reality check.

You're probably NOT a jack of +all+ trades, but you do a number of them
well. List them. Hit the majors, then give a category like "Competent in
all minor mechanical and electrical repairs", or some such.

LLoyd

Larry Jaques[_3_] October 8th 10 10:31 PM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 05:27:17 -0700 (PDT), "Denis G."
wrote:

Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


Only to some people. Others look down upon service people like us.
I'm a handyman and that's another word which gets scowls sometimes.

My truck signs say "Home and Garden Handyman; Hardscapes, Repairs,
Maintenance", but the last line says "Wishes Fulfilled!", and that
gets most of the comment by passers-by.

My recommendation is to find some more concise words to describe
yourself. i.e: Independent Engineering Fabrications, Inc.
Whatever you're doing, describe it floridly.

--
You can't wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a club.
--Jack London

Snag[_3_] October 8th 10 10:57 PM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
Tim Wescott wrote:

In home repair, a guy who can come in the door, fix a leaking hose to
a wash machine, tighten a door hinge or two, repair an outlet, and
clean the gutters on his way out is called a "Handyman".

If you're addressing a market that doesn't seem to have built-in
monikers, consider using adjectives related to "versatile",
"cross-discipline", etc.

--

Tim Wescott


And that's why my business is a "Handyman and Repair" business and my motto
is "I can fix almost anything !" .
And the business is starting to grow ... got kinda nervous there for a
while , but happy clients are your best advertisement , and I'm starting to
get a few passing my name out .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !



cavelamb October 9th 10 12:57 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
I CAN FIX ANYTHING!
(where's the duct tape?)

Steve B[_10_] October 9th 10 01:11 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 

"Denis G." wrote in message
...
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


You only put half the quote:

Jack of all trades, master of none.

When I hear about a guy who can do anything, I am immediately suspicious,
because if he was so talented, he'd be busy and not looking for work. No
one, and this is MHO only is good at everything. They may be experienced,
did some work in that area, or was just watching when someone else did it.

I would think better of someone who said, GENERAL REPAIRS. Or better yet,
just put down what you really ARE good at, and stick with what you know.
It's harder to get into trouble that way.

Steve



Tim Wescott October 9th 10 01:28 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On 10/08/2010 05:11 PM, Steve B wrote:
"Denis wrote in message
...
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


You only put half the quote:

Jack of all trades, master of none.

When I hear about a guy who can do anything, I am immediately suspicious,
because if he was so talented, he'd be busy and not looking for work.


By that logic you should only try to hire people who won't come to work
for you. There's reasons to need to find work.

No one, and this is MHO only is good at everything. They may be experienced,
did some work in that area, or was just watching when someone else did it.


But some people are pretty good at a lot of things.

I would think better of someone who said, GENERAL REPAIRS. Or better yet,
just put down what you really ARE good at, and stick with what you know.
It's harder to get into trouble that way.


He hasn't even said yet if by "jack of all trades" he meant he can do
plumbing, electrical and carpentry, or if by "jack of all trades" he
meant that he can castrate brown calves as well as black ones.

In engineering you need a few people (I'm one of them) who can work
across disciplines. I'm not the best software guy, I'm not the best
electronics guy, I'm not the best mechanical guy by far, I'm not the
world's best mathematician.

But when the mathematician is saying things in Math that only he can
understand, and even the software engineer can't wrap her brain around
it, when the electrical guy can't understand why the mechanical guy
can't find a 500 watt motor that's one inch on a side and the mechanical
guy keeps trying to give the electrical guy a mere five square inches
for a processor and a circuit to control those 500 watts -- I can step
in, understand what each party is saying and why, and I can either
propose solutions or explain why the whole approach is a waste of time
and money.

That's one reason a jack of all trades is good to have around.

The other reason is when you have some small job that needs a bunch of
things -- say plumbing, electrical, and carpentry -- all to get done.
One guy who can do it all can sweep in, get it done in a few days, and
be off. He'll take longer at each task than the 'right' guy, but he'll
just make one trip. He may not be perfect at each, but he'll be
thinking ahead to the plumbing and electrical when he does the
carpentry, etc. Insist on "specialists" and not only will it take more
people longer, but the plumber will be drilling holes the carpenter left
out, the electrician won't have a spot for his junction boxes, etc.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

Wes[_5_] October 9th 10 03:04 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
"Denis G." wrote:

Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


You can not be a jack of all trades any more.

Jack of many trades sure.

I can wire, roof, plumb and do home repair but most of us can do that. I can also program
in Basic, Karel, Clipper or learn another framework. I don't program in C but I can
follow along and figure out things well enough for most purposes.

I can replace the ballscrew in your cnc, troubleshoot a tooling issue, machine a part,
figure out plc logic, rebuild or program a robot.

On a good day I can weld, most days silver braze. I can mount a scope, reline a a barrel
or bed a reciever.

Most days I just keep things going in a manufacturing facility that has both machining and
assembly.

What is it that you want to focus upon?

Wes

Michael A. Terrell October 9th 10 04:25 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 

Tim Wescott wrote:

On 10/08/2010 01:57 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:11:51 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:02:31 -0700, Tim
wrote:

On 10/08/2010 05:27 AM, Denis G. wrote:
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.

Your question almost answers itself.

I don't feel much negative connotation with the term "jack of all
trades" although some might. Call yourself a "tinkerer", though, and
I'll think of you as someone who derives joy from turning screws and
pounding nails without ever actually getting something to work. I can
sympathize with that, but if I'm spending money to have work done I'm
spending money to have the work _finished_, not just messed with.

Describe your target market in more detail, and perhaps someone can help
more.

In high tech, an engineer who spans disciplines and who can ride herd on
the architecture of an entire system is called a "systems engineer",
"system architect" or other name with the word "system" in it.
Effective systems engineers have to be "jacks of all trades" within
engineering, although they're often "jack of all trades, master of one".

In home repair, a guy who can come in the door, fix a leaking hose to a
wash machine, tighten a door hinge or two, repair an outlet, and clean
the gutters on his way out is called a "Handyman".

If you're addressing a market that doesn't seem to have built-in
monikers, consider using adjectives related to "versatile",
"cross-discipline", etc.


Cross-discipline sounds a bit kinky.

How about "practical engineer"


So the rest of us are impractical engineers?

I have known some profoundly impractical engineers. Not so bad that
they needed cross-discipline, though.



Some are imprctical, cross and poorly disciplined, though. :)


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

Michael A. Terrell October 9th 10 04:26 AM

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CaveLamb wrote:

I CAN FIX ANYTHING!
(where's the duct tape?)



In the attic. (Red Green)


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

Michael A. Terrell October 9th 10 04:30 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 

"Denis G." wrote:

Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.



"Diverse Services"


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

Denis G.[_2_] October 9th 10 05:05 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On Oct 8, 2:19*pm, Spehro Pefhany
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 05:27:17 -0700 (PDT), "Denis G."

wrote:
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


You said "business card".. what is the business or proposed business?

I won't want to pay someone to "tinker" (definitely not by the hour!),
and I might rather have an expert than a "jack of all trades" (and
master of none).

But if you are good at repairing stuff/maintenance, or consider
yourself a generalist.. that might start to sound useful. Card,
website (if any), brochures, personal appearance should all be
congruent with some kind of overall vision and unique selling
proposition. It doesn't have to be conventional, but it had better
appeal to the potential customers. *


I'm casting about looking for a job. I've been an R&D tech and
engineer skewed to the material sciences, but I've never had a
business card of my own because I've never felt that what I was doing
was building a career. I've had lots of ups and downs (probably like
everyone else here), but I was just looking for ideas for a business
card when I network and meet people. I've read some good suggestions
here, but I'll have to chew on the ideas a bit and see if something
really makes sense to me.

Denis G.[_2_] October 9th 10 05:11 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On Oct 8, 9:04*pm, Wes wrote:
"Denis G." wrote:
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


You can not be a jack of all trades any more.

Jack of many trades sure.

I can wire, roof, plumb and do home repair but most of us can do that. *I can also program
in Basic, Karel, Clipper or learn another framework. *I don't program in C but I can
follow along and figure out things well enough for most purposes.

I can replace the ballscrew in your cnc, troubleshoot a tooling issue, machine a *part,
figure out plc logic, rebuild or program a robot.

On a good day I can weld, most days silver braze. *I can mount a scope, reline a a barrel
or bed a reciever.

Most days I just keep things going in a manufacturing facility that has both machining and
assembly.

What is it that you want to focus upon?

Wes


I like working on new products, but I'll do just about anything to
make it go and make it work. I'm not a true expert in anyone thing,
but I like working between disciplines. I think that that is where
the best innovation comes from.

Denis G.[_2_] October 9th 10 05:23 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On Oct 8, 4:57*pm, "Snag" wrote:
Tim Wescott wrote:
In home repair, a guy who can come in the door, fix a leaking hose to
a wash machine, tighten a door hinge or two, repair an outlet, and
clean the gutters on his way out is called a "Handyman".


If you're addressing a market that doesn't seem to have built-in
monikers, consider using adjectives related to "versatile",
"cross-discipline", etc.


--


Tim Wescott


*And that's why my business is a "Handyman and Repair" business and my motto
is "I can fix almost anything !" .
* And the business is starting to grow ... got kinda nervous there for a
while , but happy clients are your best advertisement , and I'm starting to
get a few passing my name out .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !


I've talked with people who've gone into business for themselves and
it sorta terrifies me. I don't think that I've ready for that leap.
I like helping people fix things too. I repaired the washing machine
for someone in my wife's lab. One of her kids socks found it's way
into the pump and it was jammed up. Simple fix, but you had to guess
where to look and not assume it was going to be something like a bad
circuit board, etc. I didn't want to take money. I was just happy to
get the thing going again.

Denis G.[_2_] October 9th 10 05:51 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On Oct 8, 4:31*pm, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 05:27:17 -0700 (PDT), "Denis G."

wrote:
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


Only to some people. *Others look down upon service people like us.
I'm a handyman and that's another word which gets scowls sometimes.

My truck signs say "Home and Garden Handyman; Hardscapes, Repairs,
Maintenance", but the last line says "Wishes Fulfilled!", and that
gets most of the comment by passers-by.

My recommendation is to find some more concise words to describe
yourself. * i.e: Independent Engineering Fabrications, Inc.
Whatever you're doing, describe it floridly.

--
You can't wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a club.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --Jack London


Wishes fulfilled! You should have a genie picture on your business
card. g

Richard J Kinch October 9th 10 06:25 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
Denis G. writes:

Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?


Yes. Call yourself a "bricoleur".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bricolage

J. Clarke[_2_] October 9th 10 07:18 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
In article ,
says...

"Denis G." wrote in news:474bd85c-e86b-42f8-96ab-
:

Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


Of the two, I'd definitely go with "jack of all trades"

Then again, a friend of mine used to have cards that said "Dragons slain,
maidens rescued. Special rates for groups." in small print near the bottom.


Then there was Heinlein's "General Services"--the story ("We Also Walk
Dogs") is worth a read.



J. Clarke[_2_] October 9th 10 07:19 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
In article ,
says...

I CAN FIX ANYTHING!
(where's the duct tape?)


Flashing on the IBM ad of a few years back:

"I am, I am Superman, and I can fix anything . . ."



Rich Grise October 9th 10 09:24 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 05:27:17 -0700, Denis G. wrote:

Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names? Your
thoughts appreciated.


Jackoff of all trades, Masturbator of none! ;-)

Cheers!
Rich



Rich Grise October 9th 10 09:26 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 05:27:17 -0700, Denis G. wrote:

Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names? Your
thoughts appreciated.


Contract Inventor? :-)

Cheers!
Rich



Rich Grise October 9th 10 09:29 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 15:20:29 -0400, Ecnerwal wrote:

And tinkering with things is generally seen as quite different than
repairing them - typically in the "messing about with systems you don't
understand" direction, despite roots in "traveling fixer of metal items,
especially pots and pans." And sometimes the "travelling" part was
important to get out of town before any of the "repaired" pots could be
used and the repair melted...


"Not worth a Tinker's Dam..."

Cheers!
Rich



Rich Grise October 9th 10 09:34 AM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 02:18:33 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
In article ,
"Denis G." wrote in
news:474bd85c-e86b-42f8-96ab- :

Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


Of the two, I'd definitely go with "jack of all trades"

Then again, a friend of mine used to have cards that said "Dragons
slain, maidens rescued. Special rates for groups." in small print near
the bottom.


Then there was Heinlein's "General Services"--the story ("We Also Walk
Dogs") is worth a read.


And Larry Niven's "Geeral Products" hulls, built by the Puppeteers. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich


Rich Grise October 9th 10 09:37 AM

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On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 21:51:59 -0700, Denis G. wrote:
On Oct 8, 4:31*pm, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 8 Oct 2010 05:27:17 -0700 (PDT), "Denis G."
wrote:
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names? Your
thoughts appreciated.


Only to some people. *Others look down upon service people like us. I'm
a handyman and that's another word which gets scowls sometimes.

My truck signs say "Home and Garden Handyman; Hardscapes, Repairs,
Maintenance", but the last line says "Wishes Fulfilled!", and that gets
most of the comment by passers-by.

My recommendation is to find some more concise words to describe
yourself. * i.e: Independent Engineering Fabrications, Inc. Whatever
you're doing, describe it floridly.

You can't wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a club. *


Wishes fulfilled! You should have a genie picture on your business card.
g


And when you get a storefront, you can say, "Wishes fulfilled while you
wait." ;-)

Cheers!
Rich


Rich Grise October 9th 10 09:40 AM

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On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:28:40 -0700, Tim Wescott wrote:

On 10/08/2010 05:11 PM, Steve B wrote:
"Denis wrote in message
...
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names? Your
thoughts appreciated.


You only put half the quote:

Jack of all trades, master of none.

When I hear about a guy who can do anything, I am immediately
suspicious, because if he was so talented, he'd be busy and not looking
for work.


By that logic you should only try to hire people who won't come to work
for you. There's reasons to need to find work.

No one, and this is MHO only is good at everything. They may be
experienced, did some work in that area, or was just watching when
someone else did it.


But some people are pretty good at a lot of things.

I would think better of someone who said, GENERAL REPAIRS. Or better
yet, just put down what you really ARE good at, and stick with what you
know. It's harder to get into trouble that way.


He hasn't even said yet if by "jack of all trades" he meant he can do
plumbing, electrical and carpentry, or if by "jack of all trades" he meant
that he can castrate brown calves as well as black ones.

In engineering you need a few people (I'm one of them) who can work across
disciplines. I'm not the best software guy, I'm not the best electronics
guy, I'm not the best mechanical guy by far, I'm not the world's best
mathematician.

But when the mathematician is saying things in Math that only he can
understand, and even the software engineer can't wrap her brain around it,
when the electrical guy can't understand why the mechanical guy can't find
a 500 watt motor that's one inch on a side and the mechanical guy keeps
trying to give the electrical guy a mere five square inches for a
processor and a circuit to control those 500 watts -- I can step in,
understand what each party is saying and why, and I can either propose
solutions or explain why the whole approach is a waste of time and money.

That's one reason a jack of all trades is good to have around.

Interdisciplinary communications facilitator? ;-)

Cheers!
Rich


Snag[_3_] October 9th 10 12:53 PM

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Denis G. wrote:
On Oct 8, 4:57 pm, "Snag" wrote:
Tim Wescott wrote:
In home repair, a guy who can come in the door, fix a leaking hose
to a wash machine, tighten a door hinge or two, repair an outlet,
and clean the gutters on his way out is called a "Handyman".


If you're addressing a market that doesn't seem to have built-in
monikers, consider using adjectives related to "versatile",
"cross-discipline", etc.


--


Tim Wescott


And that's why my business is a "Handyman and Repair" business and
my motto is "I can fix almost anything !" .
And the business is starting to grow ... got kinda nervous there for
a while , but happy clients are your best advertisement , and I'm
starting to get a few passing my name out .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !


I've talked with people who've gone into business for themselves and
it sorta terrifies me. I don't think that I'm ready for that leap.


This isn't the first time for me . Before I got into cabinet shop work I
ran a home repair/flooring install business . Got tired of the hustle ,
worked for somebody else the last 18 or so years . But people just aren't
all that interedted in hiring a man my age , and so here I am , back in
business again . Got a few more skills now too , last go-round I didn't have
all the metalworking machinery .
Recently , I've been fabbing and installing lock boxes on AC condenser
cages . Couple of bucks for material , and I'm getting 45 bucks each for
them . Works out to just under $30/hour average ...

--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !



Snag[_3_] October 9th 10 12:55 PM

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Rich Grise wrote:
On Sat, 09 Oct 2010 02:18:33 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
In article ,
"Denis G." wrote in
news:474bd85c-e86b-42f8-96ab-
:

Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.

Of the two, I'd definitely go with "jack of all trades"

Then again, a friend of mine used to have cards that said "Dragons
slain, maidens rescued. Special rates for groups." in small print
near the bottom.


Then there was Heinlein's "General Services"--the story ("We Also
Walk Dogs") is worth a read.


And Larry Niven's "General Products" hulls, built by the Puppeteers.
;-)

Cheers!
Rich


Damn cowards , so afraid of a supernova that they moved the whole planet !
But those hulls were the cat's ass if you ended up on a Ringworld !
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !



Denis G.[_2_] October 9th 10 01:53 PM

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On Oct 9, 12:25*am, Richard J Kinch wrote:
Denis G. writes:
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?


Yes. Call yourself a "bricoleur".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bricolage


I never heard that one. Thanks. I'm going to research it some more.

Denis G.[_2_] October 9th 10 01:54 PM

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On Oct 8, 10:25*pm, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
Tim Wescott wrote:

On 10/08/2010 01:57 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:11:51 -0400, wrote:


On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:02:31 -0700, Tim
wrote:


On 10/08/2010 05:27 AM, Denis G. wrote:
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?
Your thoughts appreciated.


Your question almost answers itself.


I don't feel much negative connotation with the term "jack of all
trades" although some might. *Call yourself a "tinkerer", though, and
I'll think of you as someone who derives joy from turning screws and
pounding nails without ever actually getting something to work. *I can
sympathize with that, but if I'm spending money to have work done I'm
spending money to have the work _finished_, not just messed with.


Describe your target market in more detail, and perhaps someone can help
more.


In high tech, an engineer who spans disciplines and who can ride herd on
the architecture of an entire system is called a "systems engineer",
"system architect" or other name with the word "system" in it.
Effective systems engineers have to be "jacks of all trades" within
engineering, although they're often "jack of all trades, master of one".


In home repair, a guy who can come in the door, fix a leaking hose to a
wash machine, tighten a door hinge or two, repair an outlet, and clean
the gutters on his way out is called a "Handyman".


If you're addressing a market that doesn't seem to have built-in
monikers, consider using adjectives related to "versatile",
"cross-discipline", etc.


Cross-discipline sounds a bit kinky.


* How about "practical engineer"


So the rest of us are impractical engineers?


I have known some profoundly impractical engineers. *Not so bad that
they needed cross-discipline, though.


* *Some are imprctical, cross and poorly disciplined, though. :)

--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Some engineers benefit from cross training. g

Denis G.[_2_] October 9th 10 02:07 PM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On Oct 9, 6:53*am, "Snag" wrote:
Denis G. wrote:
On Oct 8, 4:57 pm, "Snag" wrote:
Tim Wescott wrote:
In home repair, a guy who can come in the door, fix a leaking hose
to a wash machine, tighten a door hinge or two, repair an outlet,
and clean the gutters on his way out is called a "Handyman".


If you're addressing a market that doesn't seem to have built-in
monikers, consider using adjectives related to "versatile",
"cross-discipline", etc.


--


Tim Wescott


And that's why my business is a "Handyman and Repair" business and
my motto is "I can fix almost anything !" .
And the business is starting to grow ... got kinda nervous there for
a while , but happy clients are your best advertisement , and I'm
starting to get a few passing my name out .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !


I've talked with people who've gone into business for themselves and
it sorta terrifies me. *I don't think that I'm ready for that leap.


* This isn't the first time for me . Before I got into cabinet shop work I
ran a home repair/flooring install business . Got tired of the hustle ,
worked for somebody else the last 18 or so years . But people just aren't
all that interedted in hiring a man my age , and so here I am , back in
business again . Got a few more skills now too , last go-round I didn't have
all the metalworking machinery .
* Recently , I've been fabbing and installing lock boxes on AC condenser
cages . Couple of bucks for material , and I'm getting 45 bucks each for
them . Works out to just under $30/hour average ...

--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Cool!

I met someone up here in the Milwaukee area who started a small
business fabbing oil coolers for English motorcycles. He sold me his
HF 3-in-1 shear-brake-roller when he got something better to work with.

Michael A. Terrell October 9th 10 02:10 PM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 

"Denis G." wrote:

Some engineers benefit from cross training. g



Actually, they need to be un-cross trained. ;-)


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

Denis G.[_2_] October 9th 10 02:14 PM

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On Oct 9, 3:26*am, Rich Grise wrote:
On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 05:27:17 -0700, Denis G. wrote:
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names? Your
thoughts appreciated.


Contract Inventor? :-)

Cheers!
Rich


Well that an improvement on your other suggestion. At least it won't
send them running. g

Denis G.[_2_] October 9th 10 02:19 PM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
On Oct 9, 7:53*am, "Denis G." wrote:
On Oct 9, 12:25*am, Richard J Kinch wrote:

Denis G. writes:
Is it possible to describe yourself as a "jack of all trades" or a
tinkerer without evoking the negative connotations of those names?


Yes. Call yourself a "bricoleur".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bricolage


I never heard that one. *Thanks. *I'm going to research it some more.


I often listen to this show on public radio: http://www.waywordradio.org/

Ecnerwal[_3_] October 9th 10 02:24 PM

"Jack of all trades" business card?
 
In article
,
"Denis G." wrote:

I'm casting about looking for a job. I've been an R&D tech and
engineer skewed to the material sciences, but I've never had a
business card of my own because I've never felt that what I was doing
was building a career. I've had lots of ups and downs (probably like
everyone else here), but I was just looking for ideas for a business
card when I network and meet people. I've read some good suggestions
here, but I'll have to chew on the ideas a bit and see if something
really makes sense to me.


My "not entirely a joke" moonlighting tagline is:
Electronics, Databases, Woodworking, Earthmoving
I have done (and will do) the first two for money. I keep playing with
the third one but have been leery of turning a hobby I like into a job I
might not, and the last I only do for me (backhoe, yes - giant truck to
haul giant trailer to haul backhoe, and license to drive said giant
truck, and desire to get mired in other people's noisome underground
messes, no. I'm also a good pick and shovel man, but nobody's going to
pay my rates for pick and shovel work, most likely - though it has
certainly come in handy on parts of my own jobs where the backhoe is not
the right tool for the job.)

As for moonlighting more directly in what I spend all day doing - not
interested, already tired of it. If I was more seriously trying to work
the first two I might remove the last two, but I'm not, and there is a
deliberate intent to point out broadness of scope. So far nobody's
called wanting an earthmoving job - they look for the folks who
advertise that in the paper and yellow pages.

....but, that's moonlighting. I can afford to miss a bunch, because it is
not my day job.

The woodworking "not quite a business" is itself also not confined to
woodworking, and I've borrowed a moniker from one of my 1860's lathes
that describes it better: "Maker"

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by


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