A semi-rant.

I have been using a 262 threadlocker as a retaining compound not aware that
there are actually such things as retaining compounds better suited to the
job. While doing the research I realized that I am not the only one but that
is beside the point.

While visiting Vancouver recently I went to the KBC Tools branch where the
resident muppet denied any knowledge of such substance notwithstanding the
fact that it appeared on sale in their flyer three days later (after my
return, of course!)

I went hunting for retaining compounds all over the town yesterday and out
of town today. I believe I visited ten stores in all but in truth I lost
count. I gave up asking for the stuff after the first three stores'
associates looked at me with blank expressions (an auto part store, a tool
store and a a boat store).

The fact of the matter is none of the ones I wanted (635, 638 or 680 would
all have done the job) were available. One store had 620 - probably not
strong enough.

I am puzzled: Are retaining compounds such a rarity? I have an excuse of
being ignorant of them but from what I gather they should be quite common in
auto industry and anywhere else where shafts meet bearings etc.

Ah, well, it's JB Weld to the rescue...

I should add that at the same time I was trying to locate a 5/16"-18 brass
nut. I fared better the In the very last shop I got the last one they had
on the shelf. I paid the full price of $0.18 + HST. I did not haggle. I took
the nut home and placed it carefully in a safe. Such rarity surely has to be
preserved for posterity.

--
Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC

"Michael Koblic" wrote:

I am puzzled: Are retaining compounds such a rarity? I have an excuse of
being ignorant of them but from what I gather they should be quite common in
auto industry and anywhere else where shafts meet bearings etc.

Ah, well, it's JB Weld to the rescue...


Mail order or an industrial supply store. If you are cruising hardware stores, you are
going to be disappointed. Heck, try finding a HSS tap in a hardware store, let alone a
spiral point type.

Wes
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"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

"Wes" wrote in message
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"Michael Koblic" wrote:

I am puzzled: Are retaining compounds such a rarity? I have an excuse of
being ignorant of them but from what I gather they should be quite common
in
auto industry and anywhere else where shafts meet bearings etc.

Ah, well, it's JB Weld to the rescue...


Mail order or an industrial supply store. If you are cruising hardware
stores, you are
going to be disappointed. Heck, try finding a HSS tap in a hardware
store, let alone a
spiral point type.


This is the thing: KBC Tools, KMS Tools, Fastenal and Ackland Grainger are
all industrial supply stores. Admittedly the out-of-town branch of Fastenal
offered to order it in (about the local branch the less said the better) but
that will double the cost of a $15 bottle. As would mail order.

It is not a life-saving issue right now and JB Weld will do for the time
being if the automotive fora are anything to go by. There are a few new
entrants into the market such as Vibra-tite and Lloyds (the "Moovit" people)
who may be cheaper and accommodating. Does Henkel now own both Loctite and
Permatex?

Who knows I might be able to induce one of the local auto part stores to get
some in.

And the silver lining of the whole episode was discovery of a shop in the
neighboring town which has a huge selection of industrial adhesives,
finishes, plastics etc. I have added it to my usual itinerary :-)

--
Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC

On Sep 17, 10:57*pm, "Michael Koblic" wrote:
A semi-rant.

I have been using a 262 threadlocker as a retaining compound not aware that
there are actually such things as retaining compounds better suited to the
job. While doing the research I realized that I am not the only one but that
is beside the point.

While visiting Vancouver recently I went to the KBC Tools branch where the
resident muppet denied any knowledge of such substance notwithstanding the
fact that it appeared on sale in their flyer three days later (after my
return, of course!)

I went hunting for retaining compounds all over the town yesterday and out
of town today. I believe I visited ten stores in all but in truth I lost
count. I gave up asking for the stuff after the first three stores'
associates looked at me with blank expressions (an auto part store, a tool
store and a a boat store).

The fact of the matter is none of the ones I wanted (635, 638 or 680 would
all have done the job) were available. One store had 620 - probably not
strong enough.

I am puzzled: Are retaining compounds such a rarity? I have an excuse of
being ignorant of them but from what I gather they should be quite common in
auto industry and anywhere else where shafts meet bearings etc.

Ah, well, it's JB Weld to the rescue...

I should add that at the same time I was trying to locate a 5/16"-18 brass
nut. I fared better the In the very last shop I got the last one they had
on the shelf. I paid the full price of $0.18 + HST. I did not haggle. I took
the nut home and placed it carefully in a safe. Such rarity surely has to be
preserved for posterity.

--
Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC

The local car parts chains have a goodly part of the Permatex/Loctite
line on the pegs around here, if they don't have it, it's usually less
than a 24-hour delay for them to get it in, or it can be ordered off
the web with free delivery at the local store. Usually the display is
about 4' tall and 6-10' long. Some of the stuff that doesn't have an
automotive use won't be found there, in which case MSC/Enco/Grainger
is the next recourse. Most of the common bearing retainer/thread
lockers are there, though. Even the local hardware chain stores carry
three or four flavors of Loctite. Must be your particular area. If
you're in an ag area, another place to look is farm stores like TSC
and Farm+Fleet.

Stan

On 9/18/2010 8:20 PM, Michael Koblic wrote:

Does Henkel now own both
Loctite and Permatex?

No. Permatex is now owned by International Polymer Group (IPG)
They sold off the Loctite name and product rights, and now battle
Loctite for market share.

We sell Permatex. I doubt any of our 100 auto parts stores have anything
more than threadlocker

In fact, the only Permatex product that is close to what you need is

#26240 Threadlocker RED & cup/core plug sealant retaining compound.

It's a slow seller


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I can see November from my front porch

"RBnDFW" wrote in message
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[...]

In fact, the only Permatex product that is close to what you need is

#26240 Threadlocker RED & cup/core plug sealant retaining compound.

It's a slow seller

I believe this is identical to Loctite 262 which is what I use now (see OP).
Interestingly, the Loctite 262 is the only threadlocker where they also
quote shear strength after full cu 1,450 psi. This is actually higher
than the shear strength of JB Weld quoted in their literature although I
suspect they are measured differently.

The 638 is the strongest at 3,625 psi.

I was wondering about the Loctite 660: It is a paste which is supposed to
fill gaps up to 0.02" and their compressive shear strength (ISO10123, like
all the others) is a respectable 2,490 psi. I think I saw the Permatex
version in NAPA.

--
Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC

"RBnDFW" wrote in message
...

In fact, the only Permatex product that is close to what you need is

#26240 Threadlocker RED & cup/core plug sealant retaining compound.

It's a slow seller


I believe this is identical to Loctite 262 which is what I use now (see OP).
Interestingly, the Loctite 262 is one of the threadlockers where they also
quote shear strength after full cu 1,450 psi. This is actually higher
than the shear strength of JB Weld quoted in their literature although I
suspect they are measured differently.

The 638 is the strongest at 3,625 psi.

I was wondering about the Loctite 660: It is a paste which is supposed to
fill gaps up to 0.02" and their compressive shear strength (ISO10123, like
all the others) is a respectable 2,490 psi. I think I saw the Permatex
version in NAPA.

--
Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC

On 9/22/2010 6:31 PM, Michael Koblic wrote:

"RBnDFW" wrote in message
...

In fact, the only Permatex product that is close to what you need is

#26240 Threadlocker RED & cup/core plug sealant retaining compound.

It's a slow seller


I believe this is identical to Loctite 262 which is what I use now (see
OP).
Interestingly, the Loctite 262 is one of the threadlockers where they also
quote shear strength after full cu 1,450 psi. This is actually higher
than the shear strength of JB Weld quoted in their literature although I
suspect they are measured differently.

The 638 is the strongest at 3,625 psi.

I was wondering about the Loctite 660: It is a paste which is supposed to
fill gaps up to 0.02" and their compressive shear strength (ISO10123, like
all the others) is a respectable 2,490 psi. I think I saw the Permatex
version in NAPA.

I looked at every Permatex product in the catalog and only this one was
a gap filler in addition to thread retention. They don't have nearly
the range that Loctite does. At one time they had the whole Loctite
range, of course.




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I can see November from my front porch

"RBnDFW" wrote in message
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On 9/22/2010 6:31 PM, Michael Koblic wrote:

"RBnDFW" wrote in message
...

In fact, the only Permatex product that is close to what you need is

#26240 Threadlocker RED & cup/core plug sealant retaining compound.

It's a slow seller


I believe this is identical to Loctite 262 which is what I use now (see
OP).
Interestingly, the Loctite 262 is one of the threadlockers where they
also
quote shear strength after full cu 1,450 psi. This is actually higher
than the shear strength of JB Weld quoted in their literature although I
suspect they are measured differently.

The 638 is the strongest at 3,625 psi.

I was wondering about the Loctite 660: It is a paste which is supposed to
fill gaps up to 0.02" and their compressive shear strength (ISO10123,
like
all the others) is a respectable 2,490 psi. I think I saw the Permatex
version in NAPA.

I looked at every Permatex product in the catalog and only this one was a
gap filler in addition to thread retention. They don't have nearly the
range that Loctite does. At one time they had the whole Loctite range,
of course.

Now I am really puzzled!

You have responded to my post which I am not seeing myself (I did not think
it got through - twice!)
Anyway, see the Part 2: The 20297 is supposed to be identical to Loctite
660.

--
Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC