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"Buerste" wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . How China's taking over Africa, and why the West should be VERY worried By Andrew Malone snip One of my nephews has the right idea. He has a degree in Russian, joined the Army Rangers and they are teaching him Chinese. We should ALL learn Russian and Chinese...THAT'S our future! (thanks to our politicians that have destroyed this country for their own gain) We need to export the EPA to China, that will stop them in their tracks. ;) Wes |
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On 8/21/2010 7:26 PM, John R. Carroll wrote:
Wes wrote: wrote: "Gunner wrote in message ... How China's taking over Africa, and why the West should be VERY worried By Andrew Malone snip One of my nephews has the right idea. He has a degree in Russian, joined the Army Rangers and they are teaching him Chinese. We should ALL learn Russian and Chinese...THAT'S our future! (thanks to our politicians that have destroyed this country for their own gain) We need to export the EPA to China, that will stop them in their tracks. ;) How is that Wes? The Chinese shut down over two THOUSAND factories as gross poluters last month and are spending $1.9 billion dollars per month on clean and renewable energy alternatives. Not even the EPA could accomplish that.... The difference between China and us is that in China business doesn't tell the government what to do. The government does the telling. Moreover if any business or businessmen actually have the nerve to challenge or to try to pay off the Chinese government there's a good chance they'll be dead in short order. It's funny when you think about it. In China the government is completely authoritarian and nobody tells it what to do, and they still throw people in prison forever or kill them if they don't like what they do. Yet they are doing great in business. Which only goes to show that you don't have to let business run your country and that government can do a good job running things. Those are two things the right wing would have you believe can't be done here. Maybe they're right. I think our country is more corrupt than China is. Over there businesses can't pay off the politicians to get what they want like they can here. And business rules here. Not in China. Maybe we should learn from them. Hawke |
China in Africa...not good...
"Hawke" wrote in message ... On 8/21/2010 7:26 PM, John R. Carroll wrote: Wes wrote: wrote: "Gunner wrote in message ... How China's taking over Africa, and why the West should be VERY worried By Andrew Malone snip One of my nephews has the right idea. He has a degree in Russian, joined the Army Rangers and they are teaching him Chinese. We should ALL learn Russian and Chinese...THAT'S our future! (thanks to our politicians that have destroyed this country for their own gain) We need to export the EPA to China, that will stop them in their tracks. ;) How is that Wes? The Chinese shut down over two THOUSAND factories as gross poluters last month and are spending $1.9 billion dollars per month on clean and renewable energy alternatives. Not even the EPA could accomplish that.... The difference between China and us is that in China business doesn't tell the government what to do. The government does the telling. Moreover if any business or businessmen actually have the nerve to challenge or to try to pay off the Chinese government there's a good chance they'll be dead in short order. It's funny when you think about it. In China the government is completely authoritarian and nobody tells it what to do, and they still throw people in prison forever or kill them if they don't like what they do. Yet they are doing great in business. Which only goes to show that you don't have to let business run your country and that government can do a good job running things. Those are two things the right wing would have you believe can't be done here. Maybe they're right. I think our country is more corrupt than China is. Over there businesses can't pay off the politicians to get what they want like they can here. And business rules here. Not in China. Maybe we should learn from them. Hawke And, the Chinese government subsidizes businesses, supplies a lot of raw materials, machines and supplements labor. No wonder we can't easily compete. |
China in Africa...not good...
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 01:41:34 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote: "Hawke" wrote in message ... On 8/21/2010 7:26 PM, John R. Carroll wrote: Wes wrote: wrote: "Gunner wrote in message ... How China's taking over Africa, and why the West should be VERY worried By Andrew Malone snip One of my nephews has the right idea. He has a degree in Russian, joined the Army Rangers and they are teaching him Chinese. We should ALL learn Russian and Chinese...THAT'S our future! (thanks to our politicians that have destroyed this country for their own gain) We need to export the EPA to China, that will stop them in their tracks. ;) How is that Wes? The Chinese shut down over two THOUSAND factories as gross poluters last month and are spending $1.9 billion dollars per month on clean and renewable energy alternatives. Not even the EPA could accomplish that.... The difference between China and us is that in China business doesn't tell the government what to do. The government does the telling. Moreover if any business or businessmen actually have the nerve to challenge or to try to pay off the Chinese government there's a good chance they'll be dead in short order. It's funny when you think about it. In China the government is completely authoritarian and nobody tells it what to do, and they still throw people in prison forever or kill them if they don't like what they do. Yet they are doing great in business. Which only goes to show that you don't have to let business run your country and that government can do a good job running things. Those are two things the right wing would have you believe can't be done here. Maybe they're right. I think our country is more corrupt than China is. Over there businesses can't pay off the politicians to get what they want like they can here. And business rules here. Not in China. Maybe we should learn from them. Hawke And, the Chinese government subsidizes businesses, supplies a lot of raw materials, machines and supplements labor. No wonder we can't easily compete. And the Chinese supplies slave labor. Even sending the slaves to Africa to work. Imagine that! Hawke is a lover of the Chinese, who keep slaves, execute people without trial and if there is a trial, its a kangaroo court, pay bribes to foriegn governments and supply millions of pounds of arms, ammo, explosives and terrorist training to foreign governments who use it to enslave their people. Hawke is nothing more than a lover of totalitarian regimes. Id be happy to kick into the pot to send him, one way to China, or Cuba so he can be with the people he loves. Anyone else? Ive got $20 ready to put down on his boat ticket. Gunner I am the Sword of my Family and the Shield of my Nation. If sent, I will crush everything you have built, burn everything you love, and kill every one of you. (Hebrew quote) |
China in Africa...not good...
On 8/21/2010 10:41 PM, Buerste wrote:
wrote in message ... On 8/21/2010 7:26 PM, John R. Carroll wrote: Wes wrote: wrote: "Gunner wrote in message ... How China's taking over Africa, and why the West should be VERY worried By Andrew Malone snip One of my nephews has the right idea. He has a degree in Russian, joined the Army Rangers and they are teaching him Chinese. We should ALL learn Russian and Chinese...THAT'S our future! (thanks to our politicians that have destroyed this country for their own gain) We need to export the EPA to China, that will stop them in their tracks. ;) How is that Wes? The Chinese shut down over two THOUSAND factories as gross poluters last month and are spending $1.9 billion dollars per month on clean and renewable energy alternatives. Not even the EPA could accomplish that.... The difference between China and us is that in China business doesn't tell the government what to do. The government does the telling. Moreover if any business or businessmen actually have the nerve to challenge or to try to pay off the Chinese government there's a good chance they'll be dead in short order. It's funny when you think about it. In China the government is completely authoritarian and nobody tells it what to do, and they still throw people in prison forever or kill them if they don't like what they do. Yet they are doing great in business. Which only goes to show that you don't have to let business run your country and that government can do a good job running things. Those are two things the right wing would have you believe can't be done here. Maybe they're right. I think our country is more corrupt than China is. Over there businesses can't pay off the politicians to get what they want like they can here. And business rules here. Not in China. Maybe we should learn from them. Hawke And, the Chinese government subsidizes businesses, supplies a lot of raw materials, machines and supplements labor. No wonder we can't easily compete. Yeah. It looks like they have improved on the free market business model. They cheat a lot too, which makes beating them all the harder. Oh well, I can't see any reason for us to do anything different. We might as well carry on as usual and just hope things will change. (sarcasm). Hawke |
China in Africa...not good...
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 02:02:51 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 01:41:34 -0400, "Buerste" wrote: "Hawke" wrote in message ... On 8/21/2010 7:26 PM, John R. Carroll wrote: Wes wrote: wrote: "Gunner wrote in message ... How China's taking over Africa, and why the West should be VERY worried By Andrew Malone snip One of my nephews has the right idea. He has a degree in Russian, joined the Army Rangers and they are teaching him Chinese. We should ALL learn Russian and Chinese...THAT'S our future! (thanks to our politicians that have destroyed this country for their own gain) We need to export the EPA to China, that will stop them in their tracks. ;) How is that Wes? The Chinese shut down over two THOUSAND factories as gross poluters last month and are spending $1.9 billion dollars per month on clean and renewable energy alternatives. Not even the EPA could accomplish that.... The difference between China and us is that in China business doesn't tell the government what to do. The government does the telling. Moreover if any business or businessmen actually have the nerve to challenge or to try to pay off the Chinese government there's a good chance they'll be dead in short order. It's funny when you think about it. In China the government is completely authoritarian and nobody tells it what to do, and they still throw people in prison forever or kill them if they don't like what they do. Yet they are doing great in business. Which only goes to show that you don't have to let business run your country and that government can do a good job running things. Those are two things the right wing would have you believe can't be done here. Maybe they're right. I think our country is more corrupt than China is. Over there businesses can't pay off the politicians to get what they want like they can here. And business rules here. Not in China. Maybe we should learn from them. Hawke And, the Chinese government subsidizes businesses, supplies a lot of raw materials, machines and supplements labor. No wonder we can't easily compete. And the Chinese supplies slave labor. Even sending the slaves to Africa to work. Imagine that! Hawke is a lover of the Chinese, who keep slaves, execute people without trial and if there is a trial, its a kangaroo court, pay bribes to foriegn governments and supply millions of pounds of arms, ammo, explosives and terrorist training to foreign governments who use it to enslave their people. Hawke is nothing more than a lover of totalitarian regimes. Id be happy to kick into the pot to send him, one way to China, or Cuba so he can be with the people he loves. Anyone else? Ive got $20 ready to put down on his boat ticket. Gunner Sending him to Cuba would be too much of a holiday. Senf him to China or Myanmar. Or Zimbabwe. I am the Sword of my Family and the Shield of my Nation. If sent, I will crush everything you have built, burn everything you love, and kill every one of you. (Hebrew quote) |
China in Africa...not good...
And, the Chinese government subsidizes businesses, supplies a lot of raw materials, machines and supplements labor. No wonder we can't easily compete. And the Chinese supplies slave labor. Even sending the slaves to Africa to work. Imagine that! Hawke is a lover of the Chinese, who keep slaves, execute people without trial and if there is a trial, its a kangaroo court, pay bribes to foriegn governments and supply millions of pounds of arms, ammo, explosives and terrorist training to foreign governments who use it to enslave their people. As usual you're full of ****. American business loves China. They send our jobs there and fire American workers so they can make more for themselves. American consumers love China because they can buy everything they want so cheap from Walmart. American courts are kangaroo courts, American government and businessmen pay bribes all over the world, and we supply most of the world with all the arms, ammo, and tools of war, they need. We even provide the Taliban and the Pakistanis with money for drugs and weapons. And we do this as our people get poorer all the time. The bottom 50% of Americans only own 1% of the country's wealth. So most Americans are nothing but wage slaves anyway. China doesn't sound so bad in comparison. Hawke is nothing more than a lover of totalitarian regimes. It's always the right winger military lovers like Gummer who are the big supporters of totalitarian regimes. After all who is it that keeps all totalitarian regimes in power? That's right, the military. So Mr. Big Military Ass Kisser Gummer is down for supporting totalitarians far more than any liberal. Id be happy to kick into the pot to send him, one way to China, or Cuba so he can be with the people he loves. Anyone else? Ive got $20 ready to put down on his boat ticket. I'd believe you if you said you had 20 cents. No, I take that back. I don't believe anything you say. You lie about everything. Hawke |
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China in Africa...not good...
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:42:01 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:36:35 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 02:02:51 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Hawke is nothing more than a lover of totalitarian regimes. Id be happy to kick into the pot to send him, one way to China, or Cuba so he can be with the people he loves. Anyone else? Ive got $20 ready to put down on his boat ticket. Sending him to Cuba would be too much of a holiday. Senf him to China or Myanmar. Or Zimbabwe. Afghanistan, with a fresh, 3-color USA flag tattoo on his forehead! Sounds like a FINE idea!!! Gunner I am the Sword of my Family and the Shield of my Nation. If sent, I will crush everything you have built, burn everything you love, and kill every one of you. (Hebrew quote) |
China in Africa...not good...
"Hawke" wrote in message ... As usual you're full of ****. American business loves China. They send our jobs there and fire American workers so they can make more for themselves. That is just stupid, simplistic and wrong! Jobs aren't "sent" to China, jobs are lost to Chinese companies that produce and deliver goods cheaper that American companies. The Chinese government subsidizes business in China, America punishes businesses. China doesn't sound so bad in comparison. You know NOTHING about China! For God's sake, READ SOMETHING!!!...other than leftist blogs. |
China in Africa...not good...
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:46:49 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote: "Hawke" wrote in message ... As usual you're full of ****. American business loves China. They send our jobs there and fire American workers so they can make more for themselves. That is just stupid, simplistic and wrong! Jobs aren't "sent" to China, jobs are lost to Chinese companies that produce and deliver goods cheaper that American companies. The Chinese government subsidizes business in China, America punishes businesses. China doesn't sound so bad in comparison. You know NOTHING about China! For God's sake, READ SOMETHING!!!...other than leftist blogs. Better yet, try doing business directly with China. Not buying something they already make for someone else (which they will gladly sell to you too, using tooling the other guy paid for, as well as his design) - but have something YOU designed built there - and see how long you can survive when they start selling YOUR product to any and all comers for lower cost than you are paying. Intellectual property rights - along with property rights in general, are not part of the Chinese Lexicon. Particularly mainland Chinese. Taiwan is a LITTLE bit better in that regard. "There is nothing that someone cannot make more cheaply, and of lower quality if the market is there" |
China in Africa...not good...
Larry Jaques wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:36:35 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 02:02:51 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: Hawke is nothing more than a lover of totalitarian regimes. Id be happy to kick into the pot to send him, one way to China, or Cuba so he can be with the people he loves. Anyone else? Ive got $20 ready to put down on his boat ticket. Sending him to Cuba would be too much of a holiday. Senf him to China or Myanmar. Or Zimbabwe. Afghanistan, with a fresh, 3-color USA flag tattoo on his forehead! Send hawkie to Somalia and tell them he's there to put an end to piracy. |
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China in Africa...not good...
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:35:41 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:46:49 -0400, "Buerste" wrote: "Hawke" wrote in message ... As usual you're full of ****. American business loves China. They send our jobs there and fire American workers so they can make more for themselves. That is just stupid, simplistic and wrong! Jobs aren't "sent" to China, jobs are lost to Chinese companies that produce and deliver goods cheaper that American companies. The Chinese government subsidizes business in China, America punishes businesses. China doesn't sound so bad in comparison. You know NOTHING about China! For God's sake, READ SOMETHING!!!...other than leftist blogs. Better yet, try doing business directly with China. Not buying something they already make for someone else (which they will gladly sell to you too, using tooling the other guy paid for, as well as his design) - but have something YOU designed built there - and see how long you can survive when they start selling YOUR product to any and all comers for lower cost than you are paying. That happened to a freind of mine. He had a soldering station designed, then sent it to China. A few months later, it's in several US catalogs for less than half what they are charging him. Happened to me - company I was working for - we designed a unique PC case and had it made in China. We paid for all the dies and all the injection molding equipment and everything - and they were selling out case worldwide through "asian sources computing" for half (or less) what we were paying - before we got our first production run. Intellectual property rights - along with property rights in general, are not part of the Chinese Lexicon. Particularly mainland Chinese. Taiwan is a LITTLE bit better in that regard. "There is nothing that someone cannot make more cheaply, and of lower quality if the market is there" |
China in Africa...not good...
On 8/22/2010 7:46 PM, Buerste wrote:
wrote in message ... As usual you're full of ****. American business loves China. They send our jobs there and fire American workers so they can make more for themselves. That is just stupid, simplistic and wrong! Jobs aren't "sent" to China, jobs are lost to Chinese companies that produce and deliver goods cheaper that American companies. The Chinese government subsidizes business in China, America punishes businesses. China doesn't sound so bad in comparison. You know NOTHING about China! For God's sake, READ SOMETHING!!!...other than leftist blogs. I don't read any leftist blogs, you twit! I read books and watch business shows on TV and listen to what the experts say. You are the one who is ignorant. Take the furniture business. Know anything about it? We used to have quite a few furniture manufacturers in the U.S. Not any more. Ethan Allen is about all that is left. The managers closed down the factories in North Carolina and Georgia and set up shop in Vietnam and in China. They make the same furniture there but pay nothing for labor and have no worries about ruining the environment. That is what I mean by a job being "sent" to China. By that I mean ongoing businesses located in the U.S. close down factories and set up new ones in Asia where the wages are 80 cents an hour...or less. If you don't think those American businessmen love China then you're nuts! And you don't know anything about businessmen. China does subsidize business. So do we. We give the oil industry 45 billion dollars a year in subsidies. Funny, considering it's one of the most profitable industries in the world. So the fact is we subsidize business too. We do even more of it in the defense industry. And by the way, America is in the top 5 countries in the world when it comes to being business friendly. So where you get the idea America punishes business is clearly a mystery. Because you just don't have the facts straight. You want to have a contest of your facts against mine? Any day. Bring it on. Hawke |
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On 8/23/2010 4:33 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:36:35 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 02:02:51 -0700, Gunner wrote: Hawke is nothing more than a lover of totalitarian regimes. Id be happy to kick into the pot to send him, one way to China, or Cuba so he can be with the people he loves. Anyone else? Ive got $20 ready to put down on his boat ticket. Sending him to Cuba would be too much of a holiday. Senf him to China or Myanmar. Or Zimbabwe. Afghanistan, with a fresh, 3-color USA flag tattoo on his forehead! Send hawkie to Somalia and tell them he's there to put an end to piracy. Give me the men and equipment to do it and I'd be glad to put a stop to it. Hawke |
China in Africa...not good...
Better yet, try doing business directly with China. Not buying something they already make for someone else (which they will gladly sell to you too, using tooling the other guy paid for, as well as his design) - but have something YOU designed built there - and see how long you can survive when they start selling YOUR product to any and all comers for lower cost than you are paying. That happened to a freind of mine. He had a soldering station designed, then sent it to China. A few months later, it's in several US catalogs for less than half what they are charging him. Happened to me - company I was working for - we designed a unique PC case and had it made in China. We paid for all the dies and all the injection molding equipment and everything - and they were selling out case worldwide through "asian sources computing" for half (or less) what we were paying - before we got our first production run. Wow, them Chinks sure are good at business, aren't they? Hawke |
China in Africa...not good...
"Hawke" wrote in message ... On 8/23/2010 4:33 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:36:35 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 02:02:51 -0700, Gunner wrote: Hawke is nothing more than a lover of totalitarian regimes. Id be happy to kick into the pot to send him, one way to China, or Cuba so he can be with the people he loves. Anyone else? Ive got $20 ready to put down on his boat ticket. Sending him to Cuba would be too much of a holiday. Senf him to China or Myanmar. Or Zimbabwe. Afghanistan, with a fresh, 3-color USA flag tattoo on his forehead! Send hawkie to Somalia and tell them he's there to put an end to piracy. Give me the men and equipment to do it and I'd be glad to put a stop to it. I thought you were against the military. Or are you now a Soldier of Fortune? I'll buy your airline ticket, one way should do it. |
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On 8/24/2010 6:48 PM, Buddy Beavers wrote:
"Hawke" wrote in message ... On 8/23/2010 4:33 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:36:35 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 02:02:51 -0700, Gunner wrote: Hawke is nothing more than a lover of totalitarian regimes. Id be happy to kick into the pot to send him, one way to China, or Cuba so he can be with the people he loves. Anyone else? Ive got $20 ready to put down on his boat ticket. Sending him to Cuba would be too much of a holiday. Senf him to China or Myanmar. Or Zimbabwe. Afghanistan, with a fresh, 3-color USA flag tattoo on his forehead! Send hawkie to Somalia and tell them he's there to put an end to piracy. Give me the men and equipment to do it and I'd be glad to put a stop to it. I thought you were against the military. Or are you now a Soldier of Fortune? I'll buy your airline ticket, one way should do it. I'm only against the military when it's misused by people in power and when people in the military use force when it's unwarranted. I am in favor of using it when you have to. Getting piracy under control, that's a good use of the military. Give me the naval forces to do the job and it would be easy. Hawke |
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China in Africa...not good...
"Hawke" wrote in message ... On 8/24/2010 6:48 PM, Buddy Beavers wrote: "Hawke" wrote in message ... On 8/23/2010 4:33 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:36:35 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 02:02:51 -0700, Gunner wrote: Hawke is nothing more than a lover of totalitarian regimes. Id be happy to kick into the pot to send him, one way to China, or Cuba so he can be with the people he loves. Anyone else? Ive got $20 ready to put down on his boat ticket. Sending him to Cuba would be too much of a holiday. Senf him to China or Myanmar. Or Zimbabwe. Afghanistan, with a fresh, 3-color USA flag tattoo on his forehead! Send hawkie to Somalia and tell them he's there to put an end to piracy. Give me the men and equipment to do it and I'd be glad to put a stop to it. I thought you were against the military. Or are you now a Soldier of Fortune? I'll buy your airline ticket, one way should do it. I'm only against the military when it's misused by people in power and when people in the military use force when it's unwarranted. I am in favor of using it when you have to. Getting piracy under control, that's a good use of the military. Give me the naval forces to do the job and it would be easy. Hawke Awesome! The suit up and ship out soldier! Your Uncle Sammy Obammy needs you right now. Why the **** are you still here, don't tell us you're 4F like the rest of your newsgroup pals? Curly learned to **** sheep in the 4H, maybe you can fight for his country as they try to retake the sheep vaginas, er, Malvinas. |
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 03:27:36 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: wrote: On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:35:41 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:46:49 -0400, "Buerste" wrote: "Hawke" wrote in message ... As usual you're full of ****. American business loves China. They send our jobs there and fire American workers so they can make more for themselves. That is just stupid, simplistic and wrong! Jobs aren't "sent" to China, jobs are lost to Chinese companies that produce and deliver goods cheaper that American companies. The Chinese government subsidizes business in China, America punishes businesses. China doesn't sound so bad in comparison. You know NOTHING about China! For God's sake, READ SOMETHING!!!...other than leftist blogs. Better yet, try doing business directly with China. Not buying something they already make for someone else (which they will gladly sell to you too, using tooling the other guy paid for, as well as his design) - but have something YOU designed built there - and see how long you can survive when they start selling YOUR product to any and all comers for lower cost than you are paying. That happened to a freind of mine. He had a soldering station designed, then sent it to China. A few months later, it's in several US catalogs for less than half what they are charging him. Happened to me - company I was working for - we designed a unique PC case and had it made in China. We paid for all the dies and all the injection molding equipment and everything - and they were selling out case worldwide through "asian sources computing" for half (or less) what we were paying - before we got our first production run. Yet companies still try to get honest deals there. :( Sad part is nobody cares if it is an "honest " deal any more - as long as it is the lowest possible price. Quality and ethics be damned. |
China in Africa...not good...
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