Sorry to say, but it had to happen eventually
Robert Swinney wrote:
Steve, Sorry for multiple posts! Maybe the 3rd one will be the charm. All I meant to say was, "airshow de'javu" I saw a video of that event. I had no idea any promoter was stupid enough to allow spectators to mill around the course like that. Reminded my of the WRC rallys in Portugal back when the super-fast cars were running. Many spectators killed, standing inches from the cars. Expensive mistake, and a real tragedy. |
Sorry to say, but it had to happen eventually
On Aug 16, 5:02*pm, RBnDFW wrote:
... I saw a video of that event. I had no idea any promoter was stupid enough to allow spectators to mill around the course like that. Reminded my of the WRC rallys in Portugal back when the super-fast cars were running. Many spectators killed, standing inches from the cars. ... Then again; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_of_the_Bulls jsw |
Sorry to say, but it had to happen eventually
"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message ... On Aug 16, 5:02 pm, RBnDFW wrote: ... I saw a video of that event. I had no idea any promoter was stupid enough to allow spectators to mill around the course like that. Reminded my of the WRC rallys in Portugal back when the super-fast cars were running. Many spectators killed, standing inches from the cars. ... Then again; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_of_the_Bulls jsw Proves Darwin was right! |
Sorry to say, but it had to happen eventually
On 8/16/2010 11:57 PM, Grumpy wrote:
"Jim wrote in message ... On Aug 16, 5:02 pm, wrote: ... I saw a video of that event. I had no idea any promoter was stupid enough to allow spectators to mill around the course like that. Reminded my of the WRC rallys in Portugal back when the super-fast cars were running. Many spectators killed, standing inches from the cars. ... Then again; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_of_the_Bulls jsw Proves Darwin was right! Go Bulls! --Winston |
Sorry to say, but it had to happen eventually
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:02:43 -0500, RBnDFW
wrote: Robert Swinney wrote: Steve, Sorry for multiple posts! Maybe the 3rd one will be the charm. All I meant to say was, "airshow de'javu" I saw a video of that event. I had no idea any promoter was stupid enough to allow spectators to mill around the course like that. Reminded my of the WRC rallys in Portugal back when the super-fast cars were running. Many spectators killed, standing inches from the cars. Expensive mistake, and a real tragedy. The promoter did not allow it. The rules were posted for all and said stay at least 100 feet from the track. those people who were killed and injured were with in 5-10 feet of the track due to their own stupidity. The complete fault in this case lies with the spectators. Jim |
Sorry to say, but it had to happen eventually
On Aug 17, 11:57*am, Jim Chandler wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:02:43 -0500, RBnDFW wrote: Robert Swinney wrote: Steve, Sorry for multiple posts! *Maybe the 3rd one will be the charm. *All I meant to say was, "airshow de'javu" I saw a video of that event. I had no idea any promoter was stupid enough to allow spectators to mill around the course like that. Reminded my of the WRC rallys in Portugal back when the super-fast cars were running. Many spectators killed, standing inches from the cars. Expensive mistake, and a real tragedy. The promoter did not allow it. *The rules were posted for all and said stay at least 100 feet from the track. *those people who were killed and injured were with in 5-10 feet of the track due to their own stupidity. *The complete fault in this case lies with the spectators. Jim The promoter did not PERMIT it, but he certainly ALLOWED it. The race should have been stopped when spectators encroached on the track. I would expect that that the propmoter will have a difficult time in court. |
Sorry to say, but it had to happen eventually
"Jim Chandler" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:02:43 -0500, RBnDFW wrote: Robert Swinney wrote: Steve, Sorry for multiple posts! Maybe the 3rd one will be the charm. All I meant to say was, "airshow de'javu" I saw a video of that event. I had no idea any promoter was stupid enough to allow spectators to mill around the course like that. Reminded my of the WRC rallys in Portugal back when the super-fast cars were running. Many spectators killed, standing inches from the cars. Expensive mistake, and a real tragedy. The promoter did not allow it. The rules were posted for all and said stay at least 100 feet from the track. those people who were killed and injured were with in 5-10 feet of the track due to their own stupidity. The complete fault in this case lies with the spectators. Jim Yes, but tort law does not allow a lot for disclaimers or signs. Even though a prudent person is expected to know that a reasonable hazard exists within the posted danger zone, the promoter is liable unless they put up minefields, razor wire, laser alarms, electrified sensors, and snipers to make sure that the stupidest person in the world (who generally shows up in droves for such events) cannot penetrate the danger zone. Or foreigners. Verne de verdimuchki berngen. (Hey, I can't read English!) Case after case has shown that disclaimers and such are worthless in court. Just an experience I had in my Associate Safety Professional training. YMMV, but some smart ass bottomfeeder aka lawyer will tear disclaimers and signs to shreds on the first go around. You will notice how many cases have been settled silently out of court with no disclosure. If there were to have been many high profile suits, we would have seen them. Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com free books while they last! |
Sorry to say, but it had to happen eventually
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:38:59 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote: "Jim Chandler" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:02:43 -0500, RBnDFW wrote: Robert Swinney wrote: Steve, Sorry for multiple posts! Maybe the 3rd one will be the charm. All I meant to say was, "airshow de'javu" I saw a video of that event. I had no idea any promoter was stupid enough to allow spectators to mill around the course like that. Reminded my of the WRC rallys in Portugal back when the super-fast cars were running. Many spectators killed, standing inches from the cars. Expensive mistake, and a real tragedy. The promoter did not allow it. The rules were posted for all and said stay at least 100 feet from the track. those people who were killed and injured were with in 5-10 feet of the track due to their own stupidity. The complete fault in this case lies with the spectators. Jim Yes, but tort law does not allow a lot for disclaimers or signs. Even though a prudent person is expected to know that a reasonable hazard exists within the posted danger zone, the promoter is liable unless they put up minefields, razor wire, laser alarms, electrified sensors, and snipers to make sure that the stupidest person in the world (who generally shows up in droves for such events) cannot penetrate the danger zone. Or foreigners. Verne de verdimuchki berngen. (Hey, I can't read English!) Case after case has shown that disclaimers and such are worthless in court. Just an experience I had in my Associate Safety Professional training. YMMV, but some smart ass bottomfeeder aka lawyer will tear disclaimers and signs to shreds on the first go around. You will notice how many cases have been settled silently out of court with no disclosure. If there were to have been many high profile suits, we would have seen them. Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com free books while they last! You are absolutely right about the legal system. I, however, was talking about common sense, sonething that the general pupulace seems to be severeely lacking of late. I will agree that the promoter will have a hard time in court but then the courts rarely deal with common sense, do they? I live in the area that this happened and I know that without a multitude of security people and miles of barricades, it would have been impossible to keep the idiots back. People just don't think. Jim |
Sorry to say, but it had to happen eventually
"Jim Chandler" wrote in message ... On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:38:59 -0700, "Steve B" wrote: "Jim Chandler" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:02:43 -0500, RBnDFW wrote: Robert Swinney wrote: Steve, Sorry for multiple posts! Maybe the 3rd one will be the charm. All I meant to say was, "airshow de'javu" I saw a video of that event. I had no idea any promoter was stupid enough to allow spectators to mill around the course like that. Reminded my of the WRC rallys in Portugal back when the super-fast cars were running. Many spectators killed, standing inches from the cars. Expensive mistake, and a real tragedy. The promoter did not allow it. The rules were posted for all and said stay at least 100 feet from the track. those people who were killed and injured were with in 5-10 feet of the track due to their own stupidity. The complete fault in this case lies with the spectators. Jim Yes, but tort law does not allow a lot for disclaimers or signs. Even though a prudent person is expected to know that a reasonable hazard exists within the posted danger zone, the promoter is liable unless they put up minefields, razor wire, laser alarms, electrified sensors, and snipers to make sure that the stupidest person in the world (who generally shows up in droves for such events) cannot penetrate the danger zone. Or foreigners. Verne de verdimuchki berngen. (Hey, I can't read English!) Case after case has shown that disclaimers and such are worthless in court. Just an experience I had in my Associate Safety Professional training. YMMV, but some smart ass bottomfeeder aka lawyer will tear disclaimers and signs to shreds on the first go around. You will notice how many cases have been settled silently out of court with no disclosure. If there were to have been many high profile suits, we would have seen them. Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com free books while they last! You are absolutely right about the legal system. I, however, was talking about common sense, sonething that the general pupulace seems to be severeely lacking of late. I will agree that the promoter will have a hard time in court but then the courts rarely deal with common sense, do they? I live in the area that this happened and I know that without a multitude of security people and miles of barricades, it would have been impossible to keep the idiots back. People just don't think. Jim I must confess. At times during my life, I would have been right in the thick of that crowd, probably in the front row. I was where Evel Knievel splashed down at Caesar's Palace. I was standing at the little yellow rope, and from there, it was no more than fifteen feet to the ramp. I was standing even with the bottom of the ramp. I was about 16 at the time, and was riding motorcycles. I thought to myself, "Man, if he goes sideways, he's coming this way, and he does not have enough room to stop." They had hay bales up against a block retaining wall. Looking back, I was in a precarious place, but hoo-boy, did I get a front row seat! Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com free books while they last |
Sorry to say, but it had to happen eventually
Jim Chandler wrote: You are absolutely right about the legal system. I, however, was talking about common sense, sonething that the general pupulace seems to be severeely lacking of late. I will agree that the promoter will have a hard time in court but then the courts rarely deal with common sense, do they? I live in the area that this happened and I know that without a multitude of security people and miles of barricades, it would have been impossible to keep the idiots back. People just don't think. If 'common sense' was really common, it wouldn't have a name. :( |
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