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Machinist wanted, Princeton University
There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist
"associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) These tend to be interesting jobs. It's a position to support engineering students in mechanical and aerospace; they're not looking for a master machinist, only someone who can support the department and run basic lathes, mills, etc. And Princeton is one heck of a nice place. -- Ed Huntress |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On 06/21/2010 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) These tend to be interesting jobs. It's a position to support engineering students in mechanical and aerospace; they're not looking for a master machinist, only someone who can support the department and run basic lathes, mills, etc. And Princeton is one heck of a nice place. A propensity to just shake your head and sigh when someone breaks a bit of rare and fussy tooling, rather than jumping up and down and screaming, is probably a good idea, too. I liked the approach of the EE tech at WPI when I was doing my master's thesis -- "There's the sheet metal tools. Don't hurt yourself*". I was in heaven. * I _think_ he told me not to hurt myself -- probably because then he'd have to do paperwork. -- Tim Wescott Control system and signal processing consulting www.wescottdesign.com |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On Jun 21, 1:22*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...et/Frameset.js... (search open positions -- search on machinist) These tend to be interesting jobs. It's a position to support engineering students in mechanical and aerospace; they're not looking for a master machinist, only someone who can support the department and run basic lathes, mills, etc. And Princeton is one heck of a nice place. -- Ed Huntress I do like Princeton. We had some weekends off in Army Basic and I visited there once, in the middle of an antiwar protest by chance and wearing my uniform since our civvies were locked up to make desertion harder. Everyone was very nice to me; the head organiser was the son of a general. I have held that job at MITRE, and also ran an electronics and CAD lab there. The young guys and co-op students were less trouble then the Ph.Ds who could leave a mess or cut steel on the wood bandsaw and there was nothing I could do about it. jsw |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
Tim Wescott wrote: On 06/21/2010 10:22 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) These tend to be interesting jobs. It's a position to support engineering students in mechanical and aerospace; they're not looking for a master machinist, only someone who can support the department and run basic lathes, mills, etc. And Princeton is one heck of a nice place. A propensity to just shake your head and sigh when someone breaks a bit of rare and fussy tooling, rather than jumping up and down and screaming, is probably a good idea, too. A tolerance for the lack of respect typical in such environments is an important qualification as well. A great many (not all certainly) of the people you will have to interact with will view you like some uneducated, unskilled custodian. I previously worked in a State "higher ed" environment, and saw this behavior first hand. I left that job for a private commercial company doing the exact same job for double the pay about 12 years ago, and I have received significant raises and bonuses every year since. Even this year with the hinky economy I got a 5% raise and 5% bonus. |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
... There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) These tend to be interesting jobs. It's a position to support engineering students in mechanical and aerospace; they're not looking for a master machinist, only someone who can support the department and run basic lathes, mills, etc. And Princeton is one heck of a nice place. Beautiful town and not far from where I'm moving. Coffee / lunch plans could be made if someone fesses up to receiving the job. -- Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. (800) 871-5022 01.908.542.0244 Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com Production Tapping: http://Production-Tapping-Equipment.com/ Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com VIDEOS: http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoDrill V8013-R |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
... There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) These tend to be interesting jobs. It's a position to support engineering students in mechanical and aerospace; they're not looking for a master machinist, only someone who can support the department and run basic lathes, mills, etc. And Princeton is one heck of a nice place. Beautiful town and not far from where I'm moving. Coffee / lunch plans could be made if someone fesses up to receiving the job. -- Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. (800) 871-5022 01.908.542.0244 Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com Production Tapping: http://Production-Tapping-Equipment.com/ Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com VIDEOS: http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoDrill V8013-R |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) These tend to be interesting jobs. It's a position to support engineering students in mechanical and aerospace; they're not looking for a master machinist, only someone who can support the department and run basic lathes, mills, etc. And Princeton is one heck of a nice place. -- Ed Huntress If anyone is interested but has trouble finding the listing, or wants to know more about Princeton, e-mail me. The following e-mail address is purposely buggered; remove the "3" for the real address. My partner in the machine shop I worked in back in the '70s started with this same position at the University, or its equivalent then. He thoroughly enjoyed the challenges of helping to produce unique test and research equipment. It was a lot of wind tunnel models, microwave components, etc. -- Ed Huntress |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On Jun 21, 2:48*pm, "Pete C." wrote:
... A tolerance for the lack of respect typical in such environments is an important qualification as well. A great many (not all certainly) of the people you will have to interact with will view you like some uneducated, unskilled custodian.... My experience is that the brighter and better educated people are, the less likely they are to treat you that way. The ones that gave me the most trouble could barely do their own jobs and needed to overcompensate. People with a strictly liberal, classical education who can't tie their own shoelaces can be a problem too, not that they want to use the shop but they demand highly impractical things and may have no ability to visualize or understand a 3D drawing, as though half their brain was illiterate. Highly mathematical types can be like that too, but I have memorized some helpers like roots, sines, reciprocals and logarithms and can usually solve a problem in my head faster than they can with a calculator -- which can be surprisingly slow in the hallway with no place to write. One instance gains you respect. They are part of the reason I practice purely textual explanations here. Wire rimmed glasses and a neatly trimmed beard helped. Once you've been seen explaining something to Dr. Best-and-brightest, who doesn't happen to say have a chemistry degree or understand Young's Modulus, you are IN. jsw |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) These tend to be interesting jobs. It's a position to support engineering students in mechanical and aerospace; they're not looking for a master machinist, only someone who can support the department and run basic lathes, mills, etc. And Princeton is one heck of a nice place. -- Ed Huntress EH; My information says the emphasis at a place like Princeton is more on doing the job right rather than doing it quickly, with a qualified machinist being thoughtfully engaged in process of dialogue. Like anywhere, you deal with personalities but the emphasis on safety and quality should prove paramount. The retirement package would be another factor to consider--and research. If the successful applicant has children coming of college age, the Ivies are acclaimed for their favorable consideration of employee offspring and places like Brown have historically maintained a policy of exceptional support for those candidates. Brown, for known example, has lately implemented a "need-blind" policy that allows it to admit matriculants without negative balancing of parental finances. And Princeton has a significantly larger endowment than Brown. For many reasons and the right person, this opportunity is not to be dismissed or likely to arise frequently. Calling the shop and asking folks how they like it and how long they have been there would be telltale. Regards, Edward Hennessey |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
"Edward Hennessey" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) These tend to be interesting jobs. It's a position to support engineering students in mechanical and aerospace; they're not looking for a master machinist, only someone who can support the department and run basic lathes, mills, etc. And Princeton is one heck of a nice place. -- Ed Huntress EH; My information says the emphasis at a place like Princeton is more on doing the job right rather than doing it quickly, with a qualified machinist being thoughtfully engaged in process of dialogue. Like anywhere, you deal with personalities but the emphasis on safety and quality should prove paramount. The retirement package would be another factor to consider--and research. If the successful applicant has children coming of college age, the Ivies are acclaimed for their favorable consideration of employee offspring and places like Brown have historically maintained a policy of exceptional support for those candidates. Brown, for known example, has lately implemented a "need-blind" policy that allows it to admit matriculants without negative balancing of parental finances. And Princeton has a significantly larger endowment than Brown. For many reasons and the right person, this opportunity is not to be dismissed or likely to arise frequently. Calling the shop and asking folks how they like it and how long they have been there would be telltale. Regards, Edward Hennessey Right. I'm not sure if this is true for all categories of workers, but the children of Princeton employees in most classifications have their tuition paid for -- no matter where they go to college. And the other benefits are substantial. -- Ed Huntress |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
"Ed Huntress" wrote:
There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. You can live on that in New Jersey? I'd hate to live on that where I live. I notice you used associate. Any upward path for those near by with the qualifications? Wes |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
"Wes" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote: There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. You can live on that in New Jersey? I'd hate to live on that where I live. Not in Princeton, if you have a family. You'd need two workers in a family. I notice you used associate. Any upward path for those near by with the qualifications? Wes I don't know how the shops work now. Thirty-five years ago, Princeton's shops had several journeyman machinists. -- Ed Huntress |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Wes" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote: There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. You can live on that in New Jersey? I'd hate to live on that where I live. Not in Princeton, if you have a family. You'd need two workers in a family. I notice you used associate. Any upward path for those near by with the qualifications? Wes I don't know how the shops work now. Thirty-five years ago, Princeton's shops had several journeyman machinists. And that it is why it might be wise to call the shop as a candidate and ask if you can kindly make a courtesy call on the prospect of applying for the open slot. Present yourself well on that visit and you can gather much determinative information and greatly increase your chances of obtaining the position. If the guys in the shop like you and you assemble a knowledge of the scope of their enterprise in passing, that will markedly improve the ability to make a memorable interview performance. Besides, it demonstrates intelligent initiative, a quality that ranks high in all hiring analyses. If anyone here wins the position and has children that would meet the general qualifications for Princeton admission, I would be happy to share some concepts with them that would improve the likelihood of that occuring via private email along with a pointer or two on the protocol involved with any shop tour. Princeton provides superb educational opportunities and the idea of not having to pay a quarter of a million dollars to obtain them has to be a real incentive in thinking about this opening. Regards, Edward Hennessey |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On 2010-06-21, Wes wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote: There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. You can live on that in New Jersey? I'd hate to live on that where I live. I notice you used associate. Any upward path for those near by with the qualifications? The plus of this job is that it is not very demanding, likely air conditioned, and involves dealing with mostly pleasant people and a nice variety of work. Plus the benefits are probably great. i |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
Ed Huntress wrote:
There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) These tend to be interesting jobs. It's a position to support engineering students in mechanical and aerospace; they're not looking for a master machinist, only someone who can support the department and run basic lathes, mills, etc. And Princeton is one heck of a nice place. Except for that being in Joisey thing. I'd have to sell my more interesting guns. How far is Princeton from the border of a free state? I guess it might be worth a commute from Penn's Woods. David |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
Ed Huntress wrote:
"Edward Hennessey" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) These tend to be interesting jobs. It's a position to support engineering students in mechanical and aerospace; they're not looking for a master machinist, only someone who can support the department and run basic lathes, mills, etc. And Princeton is one heck of a nice place. -- Ed Huntress EH; My information says the emphasis at a place like Princeton is more on doing the job right rather than doing it quickly, with a qualified machinist being thoughtfully engaged in process of dialogue. Like anywhere, you deal with personalities but the emphasis on safety and quality should prove paramount. The retirement package would be another factor to consider--and research. If the successful applicant has children coming of college age, the Ivies are acclaimed for their favorable consideration of employee offspring and places like Brown have historically maintained a policy of exceptional support for those candidates. Brown, for known example, has lately implemented a "need-blind" policy that allows it to admit matriculants without negative balancing of parental finances. And Princeton has a significantly larger endowment than Brown. For many reasons and the right person, this opportunity is not to be dismissed or likely to arise frequently. Calling the shop and asking folks how they like it and how long they have been there would be telltale. Regards, Edward Hennessey Right. I'm not sure if this is true for all categories of workers, but the children of Princeton employees in most classifications have their tuition paid for -- no matter where they go to college. And the other benefits are substantial. I'm near retirement after 39 years as a university technician, formally, "Lab Services Supervisor", for our Physics & Engineering Dept. Part of this job is to serve as the shop supervisor. I can attest that such work can be highly rewarding in a NON-monetary sense. A university is NOT the place to go if you just want to make a lot of money. If that's NOT your main goal, university work is diverse, interesting, and conducted in an often low-pressure atmosphere quite unlike most industry. Usually the fringe benefits are quite good, as others here have pointed out. Much of my work is self-scheduled, though setting appropriate priorities is important. As for ATTITUDE of co-workers ... a percentage of the population are idiots, and that includes PhD types. Some of these think that the PhD means they know EVERYTHING. You just have to deal with it. I've known a few who were impossible, but far more who are fine colleagues. Most professors doing research, especially those using custom apparatus, are appreciative of a good technician/machinist. Smaller schools may be better in this regard, as you’re a “bigger fish in a smaller pool”. Working with students on THEIR projects can also be rewarding and a lot of fun. I teach all sorts of practical skills to students, many of who know very little about construction procedures and tool use. The public schools are REALLY dropping the ball (discussed in detail in other threads here). Sadly, some of this a developmental issue, and learning basic "motor" skills after childhood can be VERY difficult. To a large extent, many of our students are virtually handicapped by their lack of the most basic skills. The public schools seem to think they're preparing the kids for college by dropping shop classes. Not so for students going into hard sciences or engineering where they'll be expected to work with complex apparatus, and even DESIGN and BUILD things. And, even on their own time, kids don't DO anything anymore. They don't build hobby kits anymore, or work with their own autos or motorcycles. They're leading almost totally "virtual" existences. I worked a second job for many years as a sales clerk and repairman at a hobby shop. It was a fun job, and helped pay for my own "hobby habits" (the employee discount was worth more than the pay). It was sad to see how few kids (or adults) wanted to BUILD anything. They kept trying to hire the employees to build their kits for them ... missing the point of the hobby entirely! It's a culture of "instant gratification", followed by long-term disillusionment. Dan Mitchell ============ |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On 2010-06-22, danmitch wrote:
And, even on their own time, kids don't DO anything anymore. They don't build hobby kits anymore, or work with their own autos or motorcycles. my kids do Plus I recently was visited by some 19 year olds, who are also into building stuff, they bought some welding equipment from me. along came a very hot girlfriend i They're leading almost totally "virtual" existences. I worked a second job for many years as a sales clerk and repairman at a hobby shop. It was a fun job, and helped pay for my own "hobby habits" (the employee discount was worth more than the pay). It was sad to see how few kids (or adults) wanted to BUILD anything. They kept trying to hire the employees to build their kits for them ... missing the point of the hobby entirely! It's a culture of "instant gratification", followed by long-term disillusionment. Dan Mitchell ============ |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
"danmitch" wrote in message ... Ed Huntress wrote: "Edward Hennessey" wrote in message m... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... I'm near retirement after 39 years as a university technician, formally, "Lab Services Supervisor", for our Physics & Engineering Dept. Part of this job is to serve as the shop supervisor. I can attest that such work can be highly rewarding in a NON-monetary sense. A university is NOT the place to go if you just want to make a lot of money. If that's NOT your main goal, university work is diverse, interesting, and conducted in an often low-pressure atmosphere quite unlike most industry. Usually the fringe benefits are quite good, as others here have pointed out. Much of my work is self-scheduled, though setting appropriate priorities is important. As for ATTITUDE of co-workers ... a percentage of the population are idiots, and that includes PhD types. Some of these think that the PhD means they know EVERYTHING. You just have to deal with it. I've known a few who were impossible, but far more who are fine colleagues. Most professors doing research, especially those using custom apparatus, are appreciative of a good technician/machinist. Smaller schools may be better in this regard, as you’re a “bigger fish in a smaller pool”. Working with students on THEIR projects can also be rewarding and a lot of fun. I teach all sorts of practical skills to students, many of who know very little about construction procedures and tool use. The public schools are REALLY dropping the ball (discussed in detail in other threads here). Sadly, some of this a developmental issue, and learning basic "motor" skills after childhood can be VERY difficult. To a large extent, many of our students are virtually handicapped by their lack of the most basic skills. The public schools seem to think they're preparing the kids for college by dropping shop classes. Not so for students going into hard sciences or engineering where they'll be expected to work with complex apparatus, and even DESIGN and BUILD things. And, even on their own time, kids don't DO anything anymore. They don't build hobby kits anymore, or work with their own autos or motorcycles. They're leading almost totally "virtual" existences. I worked a second job for many years as a sales clerk and repairman at a hobby shop. It was a fun job, and helped pay for my own "hobby habits" (the employee discount was worth more than the pay). It was sad to see how few kids (or adults) wanted to BUILD anything. They kept trying to hire the employees to build their kits for them ... missing the point of the hobby entirely! It's a culture of "instant gratification", followed by long-term disillusionment. Dan Mitchell ============ DM: Separate "Amens" to the first part of your writing and the last two paragraphs. Speaking to the latter element, I think of two problems: one, vidiots and two, the exceptionally unfortunate prejudice against manual (="hand") labor as a degraded calling or practice somehow to be associated with a less successful path in life only followed by people with inferior executive powers of cognition. To the first issue, every generation of kids does something their parents didn't do that their parents find wasteful. Video games are interesting. Their educational benefit seems exceptionally suspect. Compulsive absorption in them has its own names in psychopathology. Therefore, minimizing the time frittered in that realm appears to be a wise overseeing concern, if, if the parents take the time to lead their children in more creative pursuits that bring lifetime benefits. As to the distaste for manual labor, it shows an interesting and contradictory pattern. Surgeons do manual labor. Dentists do it. Add artists to that mix. Negative status problems don't appear to apply to those groups we would agree. Further discussion of the social reasoning behind this inconsistency seems less useful than the head-slapping fact that a broad, working knowledge of things can often come in handy. Your car breaks down in the back of beyond. Who ya gonna call? Ghostbusters? Solving your own problems quickly with ready skills trumps a 70 mile walk anyday. The exclusion of shop classes from a secondary academic curriculum is perilous. To attain results, the shortest journey is often yours. Learn something so you can do something. If it isn't there, if you can't find it, if you don't have the money to buy it--aha. But if you can contrive a modification or fix a thing youself....bingo. Elsewise, it can be "a culture of instant gratification followed by sustained disillusionment." Regards, Edward Hennessey |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On Jun 22, 12:49*pm, "Edward Hennessey"
wrote: [...] Edward Hennessey Well stated, I wish I could be so articulate. Do you mind if I copy it with or without attribution? I've been arguing with rabid proponents of vaporware alternative energy on alt,energy.homepower where one of them tried to insult me as a 'mechanic' and another poster as a 'wrench operator' when we suggested he build his own air-powered vehicle and measure its performance instead of making wild claims. BTW tech folk hero Don Lancaster lurks and sometimes posts there. jsw |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:32:59 -0700 (PDT), Jim Wilkins
wrote: I've been arguing with rabid proponents of vaporware alternative energy on alt,energy.homepower where one of them tried to insult me as a 'mechanic' and another poster as a 'wrench operator' when we suggested he build his own air-powered vehicle and measure its performance instead of making wild claims. I think there's only one guy doing that. His handle is "News" but it should be "Nuts". IIRC he's been claiming that the air car will be reality any day now... for years. He's a sucker for over-promising pie-in-the-sky press releases, and he's touted much crazier stuff than the quasi-turbine. So there's no point in trying to teach him anything unless it's part of ridiculing his daydreaming. BTW tech folk hero Don Lancaster lurks and sometimes posts there. Yeah, I remember when he claimed that there were untold numbers of solar panels abandoned in the desert, and defended his wacky claims about home power energy embodiment by demanding that critics pay him for his time to explain. I take anything he says now with a grain of salt since he seems to be just another guy who's fond of denying reality whenever it suits him. Wayne |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On 2010-06-22, Edward Hennessey wrote:
As to the distaste for manual labor, it shows an interesting and contradictory pattern. Surgeons do manual labor. Dentists do it. Add artists to that mix. Negative status problems don't appear to apply to those groups we would agree. It is not the work, it is the money (and status that the money buys). If dentists were making 40k per year, I assure you they would not be as respected as they are. But, alas, dentists are making 136k/year, and that job position at Princeton, pays $40k. All things being equal, I would rather drill steel than teeth and deal with scientists, than dental patients. So there is an invisible benefit to being a college machinist. i |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On Jun 21, 5:25*pm, Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Jun 21, 2:48*pm, "Pete C." wrote: ... A tolerance for the lack of respect typical in such environments is an important qualification as well. A great many (not all certainly) of the people you will have to interact with will view you like some uneducated, unskilled custodian.... My experience is that the brighter and better educated people are, the less likely they are to treat you that way. The ones that gave me the most trouble could barely do their own jobs and needed to overcompensate. I don't know about that. Years ago, when I was running the R&D lab at an electronics company, I had to deal with summer interns from Columbia University and Princeton. They both regarded doing anything but theoretical work as menial, to the point where they were entirely useless to me. I arranged for them to be transferred to the production department, to work alongside the people who actually did something for a living. That lasted a day or so, and they were then transferred to the sales department, to be with like-minded folks. |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
Ignoramus9757 wrote:
On 2010-06-22, Edward Hennessey wrote: As to the distaste for manual labor, it shows an interesting and contradictory pattern. Surgeons do manual labor. Dentists do it. Add artists to that mix. Negative status problems don't appear to apply to those groups we would agree. It is not the work, it is the money (and status that the money buys). If dentists were making 40k per year, I assure you they would not be as respected as they are. But, alas, dentists are making 136k/year, and that job position at Princeton, pays $40k. If you can get your kids in to Princeton then that 40K looks pretty good if you have a working wife and children. I have no idea of tuition but I believe Princeton is Ivy League which is another word for expensive where I live. ;) 12.6 Billion endowment, it is a school with resources. All things being equal, I would rather drill steel than teeth and deal with scientists, than dental patients. So there is an invisible benefit to being a college machinist. Some of the things the students want to machine could be facinating if they explain what it is for. Wes |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On Jun 22, 2:27*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:32:59 -0700 (PDT), Jim Wilkins ... I think there's only one guy doing that. His handle is "News" but it should be "Nuts". IIRC he's been claiming that the air car will be reality any day now... for years. He's a sucker for over-promising pie-in-the-sky press releases, and he's touted much crazier stuff than the quasi-turbine. So there's no point in trying to teach him anything unless it's part of ridiculing his daydreaming. Wayne He isn't worth the paper he's wiped on, but I think some of the others there listen to me. jsw |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On Jun 22, 4:30*pm, rangerssuck wrote:
On Jun 21, 5:25*pm, Jim Wilkins wrote: ... I don't know about that. Years ago, when I was running the R&D lab at an electronics company, I had to deal with summer interns from Columbia University and Princeton. They both regarded doing anything but theoretical work as menial, to the point where they were entirely useless to me. I arranged for them to be transferred to the production department, to work alongside the people who actually did something for a living. That lasted a day or so, and they were then transferred to the sales department, to be with like-minded folks. See if their shoes have laces. I have a theory that if you could somehow shake people up and then let them settle to their natural evolutionary level, all but a small fraction would land in the Stone Age, and if any tried to climb out the rest would drag them back*. They can learn to use the tools civilization provides but couldn't possibly create them, not even the nail. Our ancestors carried the hand axe head for ~100,000 years before inventing the handle. That bunch would be hogging all the prettiest feathers. jsw * The Native Americans' crab-in-the-bucket theory |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:32:59 -0700 (PDT), Jim Wilkins wrote: I've been arguing with rabid proponents of vaporware alternative energy on alt,energy.homepower where one of them tried to insult me as a 'mechanic' and another poster as a 'wrench operator' when we suggested he build his own air-powered vehicle and measure its performance instead of making wild claims. I'll start with apologies to Wayne for hitching on his reply. Because of spam deluges on other groups, gmail accounts aren't visible to me unless quoted. Jim; Maybe when he hurls his sass again, you can thank him for the compliment? Regards, Edward Hennessey |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:22:44 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) It would be a neat place to work, but is that pay sufficient to live on in that area of NJ? RWL |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On 6/22/2010 12:49 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
wrote in message ... Ed Huntress wrote: "Edward wrote in message m... "Ed wrote in message ... I'm near retirement after 39 years as a university technician, formally, "Lab Services Supervisor", for our Physics& Engineering Dept. Part of this job is to serve as the shop supervisor. I can attest that such work can be highly rewarding in a NON-monetary sense. A university is NOT the place to go if you just want to make a lot of money. If that's NOT your main goal, university work is diverse, interesting, and conducted in an often low-pressure atmosphere quite unlike most industry. Usually the fringe benefits are quite good, as others here have pointed out. Much of my work is self-scheduled, though setting appropriate priorities is important. As for ATTITUDE of co-workers ... a percentage of the population are idiots, and that includes PhD types. Some of these think that the PhD means they know EVERYTHING. You just have to deal with it. I've known a few who were impossible, but far more who are fine colleagues. Most professors doing research, especially those using custom apparatus, are appreciative of a good technician/machinist. Smaller schools may be better in this regard, as you’re a “bigger fish in a smaller pool”. Working with students on THEIR projects can also be rewarding and a lot of fun. I teach all sorts of practical skills to students, many of who know very little about construction procedures and tool use. The public schools are REALLY dropping the ball (discussed in detail in other threads here). Sadly, some of this a developmental issue, and learning basic "motor" skills after childhood can be VERY difficult. To a large extent, many of our students are virtually handicapped by their lack of the most basic skills. The public schools seem to think they're preparing the kids for college by dropping shop classes. Not so for students going into hard sciences or engineering where they'll be expected to work with complex apparatus, and even DESIGN and BUILD things. And, even on their own time, kids don't DO anything anymore. They don't build hobby kits anymore, or work with their own autos or motorcycles. They're leading almost totally "virtual" existences. I worked a second job for many years as a sales clerk and repairman at a hobby shop. It was a fun job, and helped pay for my own "hobby habits" (the employee discount was worth more than the pay). It was sad to see how few kids (or adults) wanted to BUILD anything. They kept trying to hire the employees to build their kits for them ... missing the point of the hobby entirely! It's a culture of "instant gratification", followed by long-term disillusionment. Dan Mitchell ============ DM: Separate "Amens" to the first part of your writing and the last two paragraphs. Speaking to the latter element, I think of two problems: one, vidiots and two, the exceptionally unfortunate prejudice against manual (="hand") labor as a degraded calling or practice somehow to be associated with a less successful path in life only followed by people with inferior executive powers of cognition. To the first issue, every generation of kids does something their parents didn't do that their parents find wasteful. Video games are interesting. Their educational benefit seems exceptionally suspect. Compulsive absorption in them has its own names in psychopathology. Therefore, minimizing the time frittered in that realm appears to be a wise overseeing concern, if, if the parents take the time to lead their children in more creative pursuits that bring lifetime benefits. As to the distaste for manual labor, it shows an interesting and contradictory pattern. Surgeons do manual labor. Dentists do it. Just providing an anecdotal data point, but the dentist I see these days is absolutely the best I've ever used. She _always_ hits the exact spot with the Novocaine, she's _never_ caused me any pain, and she does all around outstanding work. Good looking too. She's Russian. Not "of Russian descent", she speaks with an accent, came over with her parents, went to college in Russia and dental school in the US. If she's typical of Russians then I'm impressed. Add artists to that mix. Negative status problems don't appear to apply to those groups we would agree. Further discussion of the social reasoning behind this inconsistency seems less useful than the head-slapping fact that a broad, working knowledge of things can often come in handy. Your car breaks down in the back of beyond. Who ya gonna call? Ghostbusters? Solving your own problems quickly with ready skills trumps a 70 mile walk anyday. Unfortunately when the engine computer goes bust there's not much that skill can do about it, unless you happen to carry a spare around. That's the problem with modern electronics--you need a billion dollars worth of machinery to make a ten cent part and when that part goes bust there's no repairing it. The exclusion of shop classes from a secondary academic curriculum is perilous. To attain results, the shortest journey is often yours. Learn something so you can do something. If it isn't there, if you can't find it, if you don't have the money to buy it--aha. But if you can contrive a modification or fix a thing youself....bingo. Elsewise, it can be "a culture of instant gratification followed by sustained disillusionment." Regards, Edward Hennessey |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On Jun 23, 8:26*am, "J. Clarke" wrote:
On 6/22/2010 12:49 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote: ... Just providing an anecdotal data point, but the dentist I see these days is absolutely the best I've ever used. *She _always_ hits the exact spot with the Novocaine, she's _never_ caused me any pain, and she does all around outstanding work. *Good looking too. *She's Russian. *Not "of Russian descent", she speaks with an accent, came over with her parents, went to college in Russia and dental school in the US. *If she's typical of Russians then I'm impressed.... My dentist is Egyptian and similarly skilled. I think Septocaine helps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articaine Unfortunately when the engine computer goes bust there's not much that skill can do about it, unless you happen to carry a spare around. That's the problem with modern electronics--you need a billion dollars worth of machinery to make a ten cent part and when that part goes bust there's no repairing it. No, but you can figure out which connectors to wiggle. They are the least reliable part of electronics, jsw |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:22:44 -0400, "Ed Huntress" wrote: There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) It would be a neat place to work, but is that pay sufficient to live on in that area of NJ? RWL Not if you're trying to raise a family on one income. You'd need two incomes -- or no family. g -- Ed Huntress |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
Ed Huntress wrote: GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:22:44 -0400, "Ed Huntress" wrote: There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) It would be a neat place to work, but is that pay sufficient to live on in that area of NJ? RWL Not if you're trying to raise a family on one income. You'd need two incomes -- or no family. g When an organization is not willing to pay a livable salary for a position, it is reflective of their view of the importance of that position. |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
"Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Ed Huntress wrote: GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:22:44 -0400, "Ed Huntress" wrote: There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) It would be a neat place to work, but is that pay sufficient to live on in that area of NJ? RWL Not if you're trying to raise a family on one income. You'd need two incomes -- or no family. g When an organization is not willing to pay a livable salary for a position, it is reflective of their view of the importance of that position. More often it's just an entry-level position. The average income for an American over 25 years of age is $39,336. So this is about an average-paying job. -- Ed Huntress |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
Ed Huntress wrote: "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Ed Huntress wrote: GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:22:44 -0400, "Ed Huntress" wrote: There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) It would be a neat place to work, but is that pay sufficient to live on in that area of NJ? RWL Not if you're trying to raise a family on one income. You'd need two incomes -- or no family. g When an organization is not willing to pay a livable salary for a position, it is reflective of their view of the importance of that position. More often it's just an entry-level position. The average income for an American over 25 years of age is $39,336. So this is about an average-paying job. Average pay has to be adjusted for the local market, and the cost of living in NJ is well above average. |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
"Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Ed Huntress wrote: "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Ed Huntress wrote: GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:22:44 -0400, "Ed Huntress" wrote: There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) It would be a neat place to work, but is that pay sufficient to live on in that area of NJ? RWL Not if you're trying to raise a family on one income. You'd need two incomes -- or no family. g When an organization is not willing to pay a livable salary for a position, it is reflective of their view of the importance of that position. More often it's just an entry-level position. The average income for an American over 25 years of age is $39,336. So this is about an average-paying job. Average pay has to be adjusted for the local market, and the cost of living in NJ is well above average. Princeton's cost of living index runs around 140. But few single-income families live *in* Princeton Borough or Princeton Township, except for those who are well off or are living in cheaper apartments. Nearby Hamilton Township has a COLI of 118. Hightstown is 115. There are reasonable places to live in the area, but if you're looking for a cheap place, that area isn't it. It's one of the most in-demand locations in the United States, and therefore among the more expensive. -- Ed Huntress |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Ed Huntress wrote: "Pete C." wrote in message ster.com... Ed Huntress wrote: GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:22:44 -0400, "Ed Huntress" wrote: There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) It would be a neat place to work, but is that pay sufficient to live on in that area of NJ? RWL Not if you're trying to raise a family on one income. You'd need two incomes -- or no family. g When an organization is not willing to pay a livable salary for a position, it is reflective of their view of the importance of that position. More often it's just an entry-level position. The average income for an American over 25 years of age is $39,336. So this is about an average-paying job. Average pay has to be adjusted for the local market, and the cost of living in NJ is well above average. Princeton's cost of living index runs around 140. But few single-income families live *in* Princeton Borough or Princeton Township, except for those who are well off or are living in cheaper apartments. Nearby Hamilton Township has a COLI of 118. Hightstown is 115. There are reasonable places to live in the area, but if you're looking for a cheap place, that area isn't it. It's one of the most in-demand locations in the United States, and therefore among the more expensive. -- Ed Huntress PC: To recapitulate, entry-level position, great environment and superlative benefits particularly for those parents whose children would qualify by a favorable academic and personal assessment for a free college education and the significant multiplier the Princeton mark would add to their career potential. Check out the life, dental and health perquisites that attach to the job. Just don't do it in the job interview where employers, curiously, want to hear what you can do for them. In the local state college system, full-time workers current receive medical and dental coverage for their spouse and themselves after 5 years service and some plan for minor offspring until the age of 18. What is it worth if Princeton matches or surpasses that? A position like this can be a gateway to managerial slots far more remunerative if a person demonstrates an enterprising aptitude for greater opportunities. But, otherwise, I fully agree that this probably isn't the offering for someone closely focused on the immediate income. Regards, Edward Hennessey |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On 6/23/2010 12:23 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
It would be a neat place to work, but is that pay sufficient to live on in that area of NJ? More often it's just an entry-level position. The average income for an American over 25 years of age is $39,336. So this is about an average-paying job. To add a little local precision, Wikipedia, the final authority, states the median income for males in Mercer county, NJ was $47,444 in 2000. The median income for females was $34788. One would assume it has gone up a bit since then. According to the census, the median household income in 2008 was $71,374. The median family income was $90,009. Kevin Gallimore |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:59:30 -0400, GeoLane at PTD dot NET GeoLane at
PTD dot NET wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:22:44 -0400, "Ed Huntress" wrote: There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) It would be a neat place to work, but is that pay sufficient to live on in that area of NJ? RWL I don't live in the U.S. and ask out of ignorance. Is this a normal salary for a "job shop" machinist? I read about the auto workers and their 40 dollars an hour pay packages and this guy is going to be getting, what? $12.00? Cheers, John D. Slocomb (jdslocombatgmail) |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
axolotl wrote: On 6/23/2010 12:23 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: It would be a neat place to work, but is that pay sufficient to live on in that area of NJ? More often it's just an entry-level position. The average income for an American over 25 years of age is $39,336. So this is about an average-paying job. To add a little local precision, Wikipedia, the final authority, states the median income for males in Mercer county, NJ was $47,444 in 2000. The median income for females was $34788. One would assume it has gone up a bit since then. According to the census, the median household income in 2008 was $71,374. The median family income was $90,009. Kevin Gallimore Right, meaning the position is only worth consideration if you both have a working spouse to generate the income for the other half of the cost of living there, *and* have children who could benefit from the probable free tuition. Otherwise it's just another underpaid and under-appreciated position dealing with a lot of egocentric people. |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
"J. D. Slocomb" wrote: On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:59:30 -0400, GeoLane at PTD dot NET GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:22:44 -0400, "Ed Huntress" wrote: There's a recently posted job opening at Princeton for a machinist "associate." Salary range is $30,800 - $46,800. https://jobs.princeton.edu/applicant...=1277139724615 (search open positions -- search on machinist) It would be a neat place to work, but is that pay sufficient to live on in that area of NJ? RWL I don't live in the U.S. and ask out of ignorance. Is this a normal salary for a "job shop" machinist? I read about the auto workers and their 40 dollars an hour pay packages and this guy is going to be getting, what? $12.00? Cheers, John D. Slocomb (jdslocombatgmail) It's normal for an under-appreciated position in a "higher education" environment, and well below the pay that would be expected in the commercial world. The non-production slower paced environment and the likely side benefit of free tuition for your children are the only real reasons one would consider the position. I supposed a retired and bored machinist might consider it as essentially a paid hobby. |
Machinist wanted, Princeton University
On 6/23/2010 7:50 PM, Pete C. wrote:
axolotl wrote: On 6/23/2010 12:23 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: It would be a neat place to work, but is that pay sufficient to live on in that area of NJ? More often it's just an entry-level position. The average income for an American over 25 years of age is $39,336. So this is about an average-paying job. To add a little local precision, Wikipedia, the final authority, states the median income for males in Mercer county, NJ was $47,444 in 2000. The median income for females was $34788. One would assume it has gone up a bit since then. According to the census, the median household income in 2008 was $71,374. The median family income was $90,009. Kevin Gallimore Right, meaning the position is only worth consideration if you both have a working spouse to generate the income for the other half of the cost of living there, *and* have children who could benefit from the probable free tuition. Otherwise it's just another underpaid and under-appreciated position dealing with a lot of egocentric people. Not at all. They could be looking at entry level. They may have a super health insurance plan. The position is probably a good fit for someone. The position being at a college, the hours are probably pretty flexible. Might be good for a retired guy to keep his hand in. Who knows? Kevin Gallimore |
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