Anniversary of an amazingly enduring design
 

Monday, March 29, is the 99th anniversary of the legendary 1911
semiautomatic pistol designed by John Moses Browning.

The 1911 .45 was the standard U.S. military sidearm for most of a
century until the mid-80's when it was supplanted by the Beretta M9
9mm, partly because 9mm was/is a standard NATO munition, partly
because the M9's were cheaper to manufacture and partly because it
reduced training costs since learning to shoot a 1911 well takes
longer than learning to shoot a 9mm. The M9 is an accurate pistol,
quite easy to shoot well, but spec ops who can have whatever sidearm
they want sometimes opt for a 1911 because a .45 hits harder.

The 1911 is a classic, still very much in demand today. There are
dozens of companies currently making 1911's including majors like
Springfield, Kimber, Para and Taurus and more elites like Wilson
Combat etc. One can buy a new one for as little as $500, or a
hand-made custom for well north of $3K and the makers of those are
backlogged for over a year. Essentially same design, finely crafted.

How many designs more complex than a paper clip are still so viable a
century after conception? The zipper might be one, but I think the
list of other candidates is quite short.

The M2 50-caliber machine gun that JMB designed is still in active
service with U.S. forces. The man was a genius designer.

Attitudes toward firearms vary and I respect that, but I submit that a
designer of this rare level of accomplishment is worthy of note by
readers of a metalworking newsgroup.

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"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
Monday, March 29, is the 99th anniversary of the legendary 1911
semiautomatic pistol designed by John Moses Browning.
....

There's a one hour biography show on JMB I've seen on the History or
Military Channel. I would guess there would be a replay on Monday. The man
was an incredible genious. How he could conceive such complex and reliable
mechanisims is beyond me.

And, he didn't have AutoCAD or Alibre to do his designs VBG

Karl

Anniversary of an amazingly enduring design
 

That's a very enduring design, yes. I actually own a Beretta and love
it. How does that .45 handle, is the recoil a little too much?

i

Anniversary of an amazingly enduring design
 

On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 01:21:32 -0500, the infamous Don Foreman
scrawled the following:

Monday, March 29, is the 99th anniversary of the legendary 1911
semiautomatic pistol designed by John Moses Browning.

The 1911 .45 was the standard U.S. military sidearm for most of a
century until the mid-80's when it was supplanted by the Beretta M9
9mm, partly because 9mm was/is a standard NATO munition, partly
because the M9's were cheaper to manufacture and partly because it
reduced training costs since learning to shoot a 1911 well takes
longer than learning to shoot a 9mm. The M9 is an accurate pistol,
quite easy to shoot well, but spec ops who can have whatever sidearm
they want sometimes opt for a 1911 because a .45 hits harder.

The 1911 is a classic, still very much in demand today. There are
dozens of companies currently making 1911's including majors like
Springfield, Kimber, Para and Taurus and more elites like Wilson
Combat etc. One can buy a new one for as little as $500, or a
hand-made custom for well north of $3K and the makers of those are
backlogged for over a year. Essentially same design, finely crafted.

How many designs more complex than a paper clip are still so viable a
century after conception? The zipper might be one, but I think the
list of other candidates is quite short.

The M2 50-caliber machine gun that JMB designed is still in active
service with U.S. forces. The man was a genius designer.

Attitudes toward firearms vary and I respect that, but I submit that a
designer of this rare level of accomplishment is worthy of note by
readers of a metalworking newsgroup.

Thanks, Don. Happy Anniversary, John; I salute you.

--
"Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
-=-=-

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"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
Monday, March 29, is the 99th anniversary of the legendary 1911
semiautomatic pistol designed by John Moses Browning.

The 1911 .45 was the standard U.S. military sidearm for most of a
century until the mid-80's when it was supplanted by the Beretta M9
9mm, partly because 9mm was/is a standard NATO munition, partly
because the M9's were cheaper to manufacture and partly because it
reduced training costs since learning to shoot a 1911 well takes
longer than learning to shoot a 9mm. The M9 is an accurate pistol,
quite easy to shoot well, but spec ops who can have whatever sidearm
they want sometimes opt for a 1911 because a .45 hits harder.

The 1911 is a classic, still very much in demand today. There are
dozens of companies currently making 1911's including majors like
Springfield, Kimber, Para and Taurus and more elites like Wilson
Combat etc. One can buy a new one for as little as $500, or a
hand-made custom for well north of $3K and the makers of those are
backlogged for over a year. Essentially same design, finely crafted.

How many designs more complex than a paper clip are still so viable a
century after conception? The zipper might be one, but I think the
list of other candidates is quite short.

The M2 50-caliber machine gun that JMB designed is still in active
service with U.S. forces. The man was a genius designer.

And at the other end of the scale, just to show his versatility, he designed
the falling-block Winchester Hi-Wall single-shot.

--
Ed Huntress

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"Ignoramus11443" wrote in message
...
That's a very enduring design, yes. I actually own a Beretta and love
it. How does that .45 handle, is the recoil a little too much?

i

The recoil is completely undramatic. With service loads, it's a little
slower to get back on target than a full-size nine, but it doesn't feel
heavy to me. I'm been shooting them for just under 40 years and they remain
my favorite target pistol.

--
Ed Huntress

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Ignoramus11443 wrote:

That's a very enduring design, yes. I actually own a Beretta and love
it. How does that .45 handle, is the recoil a little too much?

i

I prefer 9mm personally, mostly for the high capacity. I have shot
friend's .45s many times during the same shooting sessions as my 9mms
and really didn't notice much difference in recoil. Given my tendency
for carpal tunnel issues I would think I'd notice. I do notice a
difference in recoil between my two S&W 9mms, one being metal frame and
one being plastic frame with about 12oz weight difference and otherwise
with the same barrel length and shooting the same ammunition. The
lighter plastic frame 9mm has more pronounced recoil as you would expect
with the lower weight / mass.

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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:45:37 -0500, Ignoramus11443
wrote:

That's a very enduring design, yes. I actually own a Beretta and love
it. How does that .45 handle, is the recoil a little too much?

i

Most people don't seem to find the recoil of a 1911 to be an issue.
There is recoil, but it's "mellow" rather than "sharp" like a .40S&W
or 10mm and there's 40 oz of mass there to help soak it up. You
would notice more recoil than with your Beretta but I don't think it'd
bother you.

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On Mar 27, 11:15*am, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
...
And at the other end of the scale, just to show his versatility, he designed
the falling-block Winchester Hi-Wall single-shot.
Ed Huntress

Then he went on the year of Mormon proselytizing. He and a companion
walked into a backwoods Georgia gun store, sweaty, smelly and dusty
from the road, saw a production one for the first time, got all
excited and exclaimed something like "Hey, that's my design. I made
that gun!".

The owner threw them both out.

After that year he didn't have much more to do with the Church.

jsw

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"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:45:37 -0500, Ignoramus11443
wrote:

That's a very enduring design, yes. I actually own a Beretta and love
it. How does that .45 handle, is the recoil a little too much?

i

Most people don't seem to find the recoil of a 1911 to be an issue.
There is recoil, but it's "mellow" rather than "sharp" like a .40S&W
or 10mm and there's 40 oz of mass there to help soak it up.

Good description. "Mellow" is the right word.

You
would notice more recoil than with your Beretta but I don't think it'd
bother you.

--
Ed Huntress

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"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
Monday, March 29, is the 99th anniversary of the legendary 1911
semiautomatic pistol designed by John Moses Browning.


Excellent write-up snipped for brevity only.

You forgot to mention that the M1911 is, still, the *only* firearm shown to
pass the tests that resulted in its adoption.

While many have complained about the "looseness" of the fit of its parts,
the M1911 remains the only handgun that will function in spite of mud, sand,
etc., under the most extreme conditions.

In "the moment of truth" the M1911 *will* function properly. GRIN

BTW, an M1911A1 fits each of my hands perfectly...

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On 2010-03-27, Ed Huntress wrote:

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:45:37 -0500, Ignoramus11443
wrote:

That's a very enduring design, yes. I actually own a Beretta and love
it. How does that .45 handle, is the recoil a little too much?

i

Most people don't seem to find the recoil of a 1911 to be an issue.
There is recoil, but it's "mellow" rather than "sharp" like a .40S&W
or 10mm and there's 40 oz of mass there to help soak it up.

Good description. "Mellow" is the right word.

You
would notice more recoil than with your Beretta but I don't think it'd
bother you.


OK, that's good to know. I am not really into handguns that much,
though I can shoot decently. I like rifles much better, tinkering with
scopes and such. My next project is making a bayonet attachment for my
Finnish Mosin Nagant.

i

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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
On Mar 27, 11:15 am, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
...
And at the other end of the scale, just to show his versatility, he
designed
the falling-block Winchester Hi-Wall single-shot.
Ed Huntress

Then he went on the year of Mormon proselytizing. He and a companion
walked into a backwoods Georgia gun store, sweaty, smelly and dusty
from the road, saw a production one for the first time, got all
excited and exclaimed something like "Hey, that's my design. I made
that gun!".

The owner threw them both out.

After that year he didn't have much more to do with the Church.

jsw

Interesting story.

--
Ed Huntress

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"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
Monday, March 29, is the 99th anniversary of the legendary 1911
semiautomatic pistol designed by John Moses Browning.
snip

JB had a gift! I have a few of his designs and I appreciate them. I have a
P08 that is truely a work of art but hasn't the practicality, durability or
ease of mfg. of the 1911. The bad side is that many of my handguns,
especially the P08 are now too valuable as "collector" pieces that I'm
afraid to use them. The last appraisal I had on the P08 was over $4k, I
wish I had one to shoot!

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Karl Townsend wrote:
"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
Monday, March 29, is the 99th anniversary of the legendary 1911
semiautomatic pistol designed by John Moses Browning.
...

There's a one hour biography show on JMB I've seen on the History or
Military Channel. I would guess there would be a replay on Monday. The man
was an incredible genious. How he could conceive such complex and reliable
mechanisims is beyond me.

And, he didn't have AutoCAD or Alibre to do his designs VBG

Karl





Neither did NASA when we went to the moon.



--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:07:56 -0500, Ignoramus11443 wrote:
My next project is making a bayonet attachment for my Finnish
Mosin Nagant.


I have four of these, two carbines (M-38 and M44) and two rifles-
91-30's. I haven't acquired a Finn capture yet, still looking. Great
guns, a lot of history behind them. Mine are all Ukraine refurbs.

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"Wes" wrote in message
...
"RAM³" wrote:

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
. ..
Monday, March 29, is the 99th anniversary of the legendary 1911
semiautomatic pistol designed by John Moses Browning.


Excellent write-up snipped for brevity only.

You forgot to mention that the M1911 is, still, the *only* firearm shown
to
pass the tests that resulted in its adoption.

While many have complained about the "looseness" of the fit of its parts,
the M1911 remains the only handgun that will function in spite of mud,
sand,
etc., under the most extreme conditions.

In "the moment of truth" the M1911 *will* function properly. GRIN

BTW, an M1911A1 fits each of my hands perfectly...


Of course that configuration isn't a tack driver but then the M1911 was
designed for close
in use. Longer distances, use a rife.

Wes

An accurized 1911 will shoot 2" groups at 50 yards. Mine would when I
inherited it (it's a 1941 M70 Colt-manufactured military model, never shot
before it was sold through the NRA, which my uncle had accurized around
1965). But it's gotten a little looser over the years.

I considered hunting javelina with it, but my SSM Ruger will shoot groups
about half that size (the gun can, but I can't. g).

--
Ed Huntress

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On 2010-03-27, Yooper wrote:
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:07:56 -0500, Ignoramus11443 wrote:
My next project is making a bayonet attachment for my Finnish
Mosin Nagant.


I have four of these, two carbines (M-38 and M44) and two rifles-
91-30's. I haven't acquired a Finn capture yet, still looking. Great
guns, a lot of history behind them. Mine are all Ukraine refurbs.


Mine is a Finnish M39. Bayonets are nonexistent. I wanted to make a
bayonet adapter that can be mounted to the rifle.

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"Ignoramus11443" wrote in message
...
On 2010-03-27, Yooper wrote:
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:07:56 -0500, Ignoramus11443 wrote:
My next project is making a bayonet attachment for my Finnish
Mosin Nagant.


I have four of these, two carbines (M-38 and M44) and two rifles-
91-30's. I haven't acquired a Finn capture yet, still looking. Great
guns, a lot of history behind them. Mine are all Ukraine refurbs.


Mine is a Finnish M39. Bayonets are nonexistent. I wanted to make a
bayonet adapter that can be mounted to the rifle.

Unless you're planning to hunt teabaggers, Iggy, you'll need to run like
hell to do any practical hunting with that bayonet. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

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"Ed Huntress" wrote:

And at the other end of the scale, just to show his versatility, he designed
the falling-block Winchester Hi-Wall single-shot.

Anelegant firearm. I really like shooting my uncles Browning Highwall.

Wes

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"RAM³" wrote:

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
.. .
Monday, March 29, is the 99th anniversary of the legendary 1911
semiautomatic pistol designed by John Moses Browning.


Excellent write-up snipped for brevity only.

You forgot to mention that the M1911 is, still, the *only* firearm shown to
pass the tests that resulted in its adoption.

While many have complained about the "looseness" of the fit of its parts,
the M1911 remains the only handgun that will function in spite of mud, sand,
etc., under the most extreme conditions.

In "the moment of truth" the M1911 *will* function properly. GRIN

BTW, an M1911A1 fits each of my hands perfectly...


Of course that configuration isn't a tack driver but then the M1911 was designed for close
in use. Longer distances, use a rife.

Wes

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Let the Record show that Don Foreman
on or about Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:10:22 -0500 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:45:37 -0500, Ignoramus11443
wrote:

That's a very enduring design, yes. I actually own a Beretta and love
it. How does that .45 handle, is the recoil a little too much?

i

Most people don't seem to find the recoil of a 1911 to be an issue.
There is recoil, but it's "mellow" rather than "sharp" like a .40S&W
or 10mm and there's 40 oz of mass there to help soak it up. You
would notice more recoil than with your Beretta but I don't think it'd
bother you.

That's what my brother whined about, as one of the signs of
advancing old age: the 45 was heavy, and he was considering going to a
9mm... or spend more time working out.


pyotr

-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

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If you can catch teabaggers in the act, you should also
bring a friend with a digicam to catch the facial
expressions.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

Unless you're planning to hunt teabaggers, Iggy, you'll need
to run like
hell to do any practical hunting with that bayonet. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

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"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Of course that configuration isn't a tack driver but then the M1911 was
designed for close
in use. Longer distances, use a rife.

Wes

An accurized 1911 will shoot 2" groups at 50 yards. Mine would when I
inherited it (it's a 1941 M70 Colt-manufactured military model, never shot
before it was sold through the NRA, which my uncle had accurized around
1965). But it's gotten a little looser over the years.

As soon as you accurize them, like peen the frame rails to tighten up the
slide and such,
I doubt it would pass military acceptance tests.

Sure. I don't know how they do it now, but the rails of mine were peened; it
had a bullseye trigger job; and so on. This wears out eventually and they
get loose again. I've put a lot of rounds through mine.



I considered hunting javelina with it, but my SSM Ruger will shoot groups
about half that size (the gun can, but I can't. g).

If I want an accurate handgun I pick my revolvers or my T/C Contender
depending on use.

One of the gun magazines reported at the time that the SSM was the most
accurate revolver, out-of-the-box, that they had ever tested. It can shoot a
lot straighter than I can.

--
Ed Huntress

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"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Of course that configuration isn't a tack driver but then the M1911 was
designed for close
in use. Longer distances, use a rife.

Wes

An accurized 1911 will shoot 2" groups at 50 yards. Mine would when I
inherited it (it's a 1941 M70 Colt-manufactured military model, never shot
before it was sold through the NRA, which my uncle had accurized around
1965). But it's gotten a little looser over the years.

As soon as you accurize them, like peen the frame rails to tighten up the slide and such,
I doubt it would pass military acceptance tests.


I considered hunting javelina with it, but my SSM Ruger will shoot groups
about half that size (the gun can, but I can't. g).

If I want an accurate handgun I pick my revolvers or my T/C Contender depending on use.

Wes

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"Wes" wrote in message
...
"RAM³" wrote:

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
. ..
Monday, March 29, is the 99th anniversary of the legendary 1911
semiautomatic pistol designed by John Moses Browning.


Excellent write-up snipped for brevity only.

You forgot to mention that the M1911 is, still, the *only* firearm shown
to
pass the tests that resulted in its adoption.

While many have complained about the "looseness" of the fit of its parts,
the M1911 remains the only handgun that will function in spite of mud,
sand,
etc., under the most extreme conditions.

In "the moment of truth" the M1911 *will* function properly. GRIN

BTW, an M1911A1 fits each of my hands perfectly...


Of course that configuration isn't a tack driver but then the M1911 was
designed for close
in use. Longer distances, use a rife.

Wes


Absolutely, although I've never had any problem keeping the holes within the
center section of a silhouette (sp?) or a "Q" target at 75 yards.

With a GI .45 I'm more interested in the first 20-30 feet rather than yards.
grin

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"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
If you can catch teabaggers in the act, you should also
bring a friend with a digicam to catch the facial
expressions.

Here's one typical teabagger, one of the more mature among them. Look at
that smug little mug, will ya':

"Vulgar Fat Child Attends Teabagging Rally"

http://wonkette.com/407874/vulgar-fa...abagging-rally

--
Ed Huntress

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pyotr filipivich wrote:

Let the Record show that Don Foreman
on or about Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:10:22 -0500 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:45:37 -0500, Ignoramus11443
wrote:

That's a very enduring design, yes. I actually own a Beretta and love
it. How does that .45 handle, is the recoil a little too much?

i

Most people don't seem to find the recoil of a 1911 to be an issue.
There is recoil, but it's "mellow" rather than "sharp" like a .40S&W
or 10mm and there's 40 oz of mass there to help soak it up. You
would notice more recoil than with your Beretta but I don't think it'd
bother you.

That's what my brother whined about, as one of the signs of
advancing old age: the 45 was heavy, and he was considering going to a
9mm... or spend more time working out.

My S&W 5906 9mm is 43oz loaded with the stock high cap mag, slightly
more with the higher cap. If you want lighter you go plastic frame
regardless of your caliber of choice. My S&W Sigma 9mm is about 12oz
lighter and otherwise the same specs.

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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:45:42 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus11443
scrawled the following:

On 2010-03-27, Yooper wrote:
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:07:56 -0500, Ignoramus11443 wrote:
My next project is making a bayonet attachment for my Finnish
Mosin Nagant.


I have four of these, two carbines (M-38 and M44) and two rifles-
91-30's. I haven't acquired a Finn capture yet, still looking. Great
guns, a lot of history behind them. Mine are all Ukraine refurbs.


Mine is a Finnish M39. Bayonets are nonexistent. I wanted to make a
bayonet adapter that can be mounted to the rifle.

There's a nice one (probably wire-wheeled) on eBay for only $329 right
now, Ig. thud Another for $269 + $30 s/h. thud2

--
"Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
-=-=-

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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:19:06 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Ignoramus11443" wrote in message
m...
That's a very enduring design, yes. I actually own a Beretta and love
it. How does that .45 handle, is the recoil a little too much?

i

The recoil is completely undramatic. With service loads, it's a little
slower to get back on target than a full-size nine, but it doesn't feel
heavy to me. I'm been shooting them for just under 40 years and they remain
my favorite target pistol.


With hardball ammunition?

John B.

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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:25:44 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Ignoramus11443 wrote:

That's a very enduring design, yes. I actually own a Beretta and love
it. How does that .45 handle, is the recoil a little too much?

i

I prefer 9mm personally, mostly for the high capacity. I have shot
friend's .45s many times during the same shooting sessions as my 9mms
and really didn't notice much difference in recoil. Given my tendency
for carpal tunnel issues I would think I'd notice. I do notice a
difference in recoil between my two S&W 9mms, one being metal frame and
one being plastic frame with about 12oz weight difference and otherwise
with the same barrel length and shooting the same ammunition. The
lighter plastic frame 9mm has more pronounced recoil as you would expect
with the lower weight / mass.



High capacity? How many people do you figure are going to be attacking
you at one time? If its more than 3..doncha think a rifle would be a
better tool?

Gunner, Bishop of the 1911



"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:07:56 -0500, Ignoramus11443
wrote:

On 2010-03-27, Ed Huntress wrote:

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:45:37 -0500, Ignoramus11443
wrote:

That's a very enduring design, yes. I actually own a Beretta and love
it. How does that .45 handle, is the recoil a little too much?

i

Most people don't seem to find the recoil of a 1911 to be an issue.
There is recoil, but it's "mellow" rather than "sharp" like a .40S&W
or 10mm and there's 40 oz of mass there to help soak it up.

Good description. "Mellow" is the right word.

You
would notice more recoil than with your Beretta but I don't think it'd
bother you.


OK, that's good to know. I am not really into handguns that much,
though I can shoot decently. I like rifles much better, tinkering with
scopes and such. My next project is making a bayonet attachment for my
Finnish Mosin Nagant.

i

Why not put an ad in one of Helsinkis online want ads and see if you can
scarf up some actual bayonets?

I could use 7 if you find em for Finns


Gunner


"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:13:05 +0700, John
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:19:06 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Ignoramus11443" wrote in message
om...
That's a very enduring design, yes. I actually own a Beretta and love
it. How does that .45 handle, is the recoil a little too much?

i

The recoil is completely undramatic. With service loads, it's a little
slower to get back on target than a full-size nine, but it doesn't feel
heavy to me. I'm been shooting them for just under 40 years and they remain
my favorite target pistol.


With hardball ammunition?

John B.


Shrug..I shoot a lot of Plus + 45 ammo out of a Series 70 and an AMT
DAO.

Been doing it for at least 38 yrs. Doesnt kick at all..and the DAO is
what...13 oz? 22 oz?

No big deal


Gunner


"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:59:20 -0500, Wes wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Of course that configuration isn't a tack driver but then the M1911 was
designed for close
in use. Longer distances, use a rife.

Wes

An accurized 1911 will shoot 2" groups at 50 yards. Mine would when I
inherited it (it's a 1941 M70 Colt-manufactured military model, never shot
before it was sold through the NRA, which my uncle had accurized around
1965). But it's gotten a little looser over the years.

As soon as you accurize them, like peen the frame rails to tighten up the slide and such,
I doubt it would pass military acceptance tests.

Wellllll...there are ways to make em shoot pretty damned good and still
be suitable for street duty. And pass MIL tests.


I considered hunting javelina with it, but my SSM Ruger will shoot groups
about half that size (the gun can, but I can't. g).

If I want an accurate handgun I pick my revolvers or my T/C Contender depending on use.

Wes

Depends on the range and the targets. I shoot a lot of .41 Mag out in
the field, and 357 for bunnies and coyotes and such, very accurate a
long way out. Past 100 yrds..I dig out the Contenders

Gunner



"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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Richard sez:

"Neither did NASA when we went to the moon."

Just goes to show there's a lot of truth in the old saw, "Technology without mathematics would only
be two weeks behind"

Bob Swinney

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Gunner Asch wrote in
:



High capacity? How many people do you figure are going to be attacking
you at one time? If its more than 3..doncha think a rifle would be a
better tool?


Personally, I prefer a shotgun with 00 buck for the shorter ranges if
there's to be a crowd. grin

The old Ithaca 37 definitely has its advantages, especially with the
extended mag tube...

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"John" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:19:06 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Ignoramus11443" wrote in message
om...
That's a very enduring design, yes. I actually own a Beretta and love
it. How does that .45 handle, is the recoil a little too much?

i

The recoil is completely undramatic. With service loads, it's a little
slower to get back on target than a full-size nine, but it doesn't feel
heavy to me. I'm been shooting them for just under 40 years and they
remain
my favorite target pistol.


With hardball ammunition?

John B.

I shoot my .45 with hardball, and with semi-wadcutters and light loads. I
don't feel anything qualitatively different with the hardball.

I always thought it was me. I'm fairly light; I may just roll with it better
than some. My 3-1/2" magnum shotgun leaves me black and blue, and hurting,
but I can shoot a .44 magnum handgun with full loads and not suffer from it
a bit. It's kind of odd.

--
Ed Huntress

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On 28 Mar 2010 17:31:32 GMT, Eregon wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote in
:



High capacity? How many people do you figure are going to be attacking
you at one time? If its more than 3..doncha think a rifle would be a
better tool?


Personally, I prefer a shotgun with 00 buck for the shorter ranges if
there's to be a crowd. grin

The old Ithaca 37 definitely has its advantages, especially with the
extended mag tube...


VBG...oh indeed...yes indeed!!


Gunner


"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

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cavelamb wrote:

And, he didn't have AutoCAD or Alibre to do his designs VBG

Karl





Neither did NASA when we went to the moon.



I wonder how much sooner we would have got there if the engineers had a scientific
calculator instead of those books of logarithms?

Wes

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Wes wrote:
cavelamb wrote:

And, he didn't have AutoCAD or Alibre to do his designs VBG

Karl




Neither did NASA when we went to the moon.



I wonder how much sooner we would have got there if the engineers had a scientific
calculator instead of those books of logarithms?

Wes


You mean like - now???

I'm almost ready to believe that it was a one-time thing.

Will we EVER go back?

--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/