First, this sounds more like what should have happened to the
appointees. Tax issues, admiration for Mao, communists, safe school
czar, etc.

What of Utube vids with stuff bought with OUR tax dollars?

Lastly, is this advocating a police state? How are these files to be
"accumulated"? Has anyone considered trying constitutional powers
instead of arbitrary powers?

Obamma's fatal error was not accumulating files on the probable
opposition individuals and corporations detailing their tax
evasions, embezelments, wrongful conversions, frauds,
perversions, sexual harrasments, drug usage, gambling, assets,
etc. *BEFORE* attempting any revision in health care (or
financial re-regulation for that matter).

A series of short videos, even if just on Utube, showing the
multi-million dollar estates and fleets of luxuary cars owned by
the opposition, ALL PAID FOR WITH YOUR HEALTHCARE DOLLARS, just
before starting work on healthcare would have gone a long way
toward eliminating their hypocritical and hysterical opposition.

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:16:00 -0600, Louis Ohland
wrote:

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Obamma's fatal error was not accumulating files on the probable
opposition individuals and corporations detailing their tax
evasions, embezelments, wrongful conversions, frauds,
perversions, sexual harrasments, drug usage, gambling, assets,
etc. *BEFORE* attempting any revision in health care (or
financial re-regulation for that matter).

A series of short videos, even if just on Utube, showing the
multi-million dollar estates and fleets of luxuary cars owned by
the opposition, ALL PAID FOR WITH YOUR HEALTHCARE DOLLARS, just
before starting work on healthcare would have gone a long way
toward eliminating their hypocritical and hysterical opposition.
First, this sounds more like what should have happened to the
appointees. Tax issues, admiration for Mao, communists, safe school
czar, etc.
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What of Utube vids with stuff bought with OUR tax dollars?

Lastly, is this advocating a police state? How are these files to be
"accumulated"? Has anyone considered trying constitutional powers
instead of arbitrary powers?
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Like the neocons are fond of observing, if you don't have
anything to hide, you won't mind the government looking over your
shoulder.... What goes around, comes around.


Unka George (George McDuffee)
...............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

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Pardon me, but is this a country with a rule of law, or one of the rule
of men? At least you give the shadowy "neocons" the praise of saying if
you have nothing to hide... while there are folks that want the nanny
state intruding into what was your private life.... smoking, trans fats,
SUVs, politically correct speech, correct politicians...

In your utopia, there is no room for dissent. No room to question the
proper role of government (which leads to levels of taxation and
regulation).

The salvation of those in the former Soviet Union were bad laws poorly
enforced. My hope is for as much snow in DC as possible.

Like the neocons are fond of observing, if you don't have
anything to hide, you won't mind the government looking over your
shoulder.... What goes around, comes around.

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:41:09 -0600, Louis Ohland
wrote:

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Pardon me, but is this a country with a rule of law, or one of the rule
of men? At least you give the shadowy "neocons" the praise of saying if
you have nothing to hide... while there are folks that want the nanny
state intruding into what was your private life.... smoking, trans fats,
SUVs, politically correct speech, correct politicians...
You are generation (or more) behind the times. What you and I
(and everyone else on these NGs] would like it to be, means
nothing. It is what it is. This dates all the way back to at
least LBJ and J(ane). Edgar Hoover. See CoinTelPro.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
also see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_%28software%29

The only questions are "who is to use the information" and for
what/whose ends.

In your utopia, there is no room for dissent. No room to question the
proper role of government (which leads to levels of taxation and
regulation).
I had nothing to do with the construction and/or operation of
Utopia.

The salvation of those in the former Soviet Union were bad laws poorly
enforced. My hope is for as much snow in DC as possible.
If there is anything Washing D.C. is good at, its snowjobs. They
don't handle frozen precipitation too well though.

Like the neocons are fond of observing, if you don't have
anything to hide, you won't mind the government looking over your
shoulder.... What goes around, comes around.
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Before we get all hot and bothered about the violation of the
health care providers' and their managements' civil rights and
right to privacy, it would be well to remember these are the same
corporations, that at the direction of their management, search
their insured complete medical history to try to establish [or
fabricate] a "pre-existing condition" in order to deny liability
and possibly void coverage, even when the treatment/incident
occurred 20 or 30 years earlier and was long forgotten by the
insured. Such medical record searches apparently are only
conducted after a claim is made, thus until you need your
insurance, it is acceptable to keep paying your premium. Thus
this is mainly a question of whose ox is getting the horn.

You may enjoy this example of how the real world works.
http://www.sacbee.com/989/story/2527328.html
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Prosecutors contend that while he was chairman of the county
Board of Supervisors in 2006, Postmus agreed to accept $100,000
from Colonies Partners, L.P.,

The partnership had sued the county in 2002 over county easements
for a flood-control basin in Upland. In November 2006, Postmus
joined a 3-2 majority of supervisors to approve settling with
Colonies for $102 million, even though the county counsel and
other attorneys recommended against it.

Erwin is accused of funneling the bribe to Postmus through a
political action committee called the "Committee for Effective
Government" and of creating and threatening to send out political
mailers depicting Postmus as a drug addict and a homosexual to
blackmail him into the vote. {called a carrot and a stick}
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Unka George (George McDuffee)
...............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

I can't help you. Everyone is obviously out to screw you and I most
certainly wouldn't want to get in their way. Are you waiting for the
black helicopters to start making low passes overhead?

After you screw the insurance industry and the healthcare industry, then
who will provide healthcare to you? The government is not worried about
making a profit, so if their responsiveness sucks, do you think the
government worker will really give a sh*t if you get the short end of
the stick?

Where is tort reform? Lawyers are making a lot of money....

Louis Ohland wrote:
I can't help you. Everyone is obviously out to screw you and I most
certainly wouldn't want to get in their way. Are you waiting for the
black helicopters to start making low passes overhead?

After you screw the insurance industry and the healthcare industry,
then who will provide healthcare to you? The government is not
worried about making a profit, so if their responsiveness sucks, do
you think the government worker will really give a sh*t if you get
the short end of the stick?

Where is tort reform? Lawyers are making a lot of money....

They sure are, just not on medical malpractice litigation.


--
John R. Carroll