As most folks probably do I wanted to get a little better quality out of my
cheap lathe. I bought a 4" 4 Jaw chuck from Little Machine Shop and an
adaptor plate. They claim all kinds of wonderfulness and accuracy.

It arrived Saturday, but I had a fishing tournament to go out and donate
some money to on Saturday, and I didn't get around to playing with it until
today. Actually this afternoon. I always sleep late the day after a
tournament. LOL.

Anyway, I check the plate to the plate on the lathe. Perfectly snug fit. I
mean if there was oil on it, and there wasn't a hole in the middle it would
pull a vacuum taking it off perfect. Cool I thought. Then I checked the
plate to the chuck. Same fit. I was excited. Man oh man this was going to
be awesome.

I bolted the plate to the chuck and retrieved the studs from the old chuck.
After lining up and assembling snugly I picked up the assembly to put it on
the lathe.

CLUNK!

No I didn't drop it. The bolt holes in the chuck where not tapped deep
enough to mount the plate solidly. The came up nearly a 1/16 short. Ok,
disassemble it again. Tap out the holes after I find the right tap, and
re-assemble.

Now to mount it on the lathe. I could feel that perfect fit slide together.
Oooh! Nice! Carefully I torque the holding nuts on the studs. Loose all
the way around, then snug all the way around, then tight all the way around.
I felt like a surgeon performing a delicate arterial graft.

Click, and watch expectantly for that butter smooth rotation to begin....
What, its wobbling like a drunken sailor. No kidding. It was bad. No
offense to any drunken sailors who might be reading this.

I took it apart, checked to make sure all my bolts cleared, and everything
was snugged and then torqued nicely. Everything was fine so I put it back
together just "knowing" that I most have been hallucinating the first time.
Nope. :^(

Wobble wobble wobble.

Then I thought maybe my lathe was just that crappy that it couldn't handle a
heavier chuck. While I watched it wallow its way around in a slow circles I
grabbed a scale and set up up next to the assembly to see if I could spot
the first place it was out of true. It was the adaptor plate. I had to
look three times and then I still didn't believe it. The adaptor plate that
was such a perfect fit to everything else was a full 1/32 out of true. I
could see the edge of the adaptor plate going back and forth on the front
and back side in relationship to everything else. The only other thing
visibly out of true was the chuck that was mounted on it.

I took everything back apart again and thought about it for a while. Then I
figured what the heck. I'll turn one side flat. As I was getting it
mounted back up with out the chuck so I could turn it I noticed a tiny dent
or flat spot on one edge of adaptor plate. I wonder if it could have been
dropped hard enough to bend it, and I wonder if it will try to find its old
shape over time? I guess only time will tell.

Turning it went ok except the hand ground left hand HSS cutter I ground
wouldn't touch it. I'm not kidding. It made a bunch of noise, but didn't
do anything. I reground the lathe bit three or four times and nothing.
Since it was the first HSS bit I have ground I was thinking it must be
something I was doing. Sharp point, rounded point, square point. Nothing.
Oh some metal came off, but is was mostly the bit. Ok. Break out a brand
new carbide cutter. Nothing. WHAT!? Oh, what an idiot. I was running the
lathe in reverse.

I resharpened the HSS bit again to a nice point and started removing
material. It made a whapping sound as the adaptor plate turned under it for
the first couple passes until it got close to true. By then I needed to
resharpen the bit again. A radius tip did a nice job of smoothing the
surface, and then resharpen to a point again to clean out the corners.

I dismounted the plate, and marked it with a file next to one of the studs.
I marked the matching stud hole with a file on the spindle mounted lathe
plate as well. That way it will go back on exactly the same way every time.

I carefully torqued the chuck onto the plate, and then I carefully torqued
the plate onto the lathe. Gently tighten all the way around, then snug
around, then tight around.

I flipped the switch expecting who knows what all kind of catastrophic
failure.

It looks good. I don't have a piece of precision rod to check it, but it
looks really good.

I suppose for an old hack machinist checking this sort of thing and
machining it true is routine, but for me it was quite an adventure.

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
As most folks probably do I wanted to get a little better quality out of
my cheap lathe. I bought a 4" 4 Jaw chuck from Little Machine Shop and an
adaptor plate. They claim all kinds of wonderfulness and accuracy.

It arrived Saturday, but I had a fishing tournament to go out and donate
some money to on Saturday, and I didn't get around to playing with it
until today. Actually this afternoon. I always sleep late the day after
a tournament. LOL.

Anyway, I check the plate to the plate on the lathe. Perfectly snug fit.
I mean if there was oil on it, and there wasn't a hole in the middle it
would pull a vacuum taking it off perfect. Cool I thought. Then I
checked the plate to the chuck. Same fit. I was excited. Man oh man this
was going to be awesome.

I bolted the plate to the chuck and retrieved the studs from the old
chuck. After lining up and assembling snugly I picked up the assembly to
put it on the lathe.

CLUNK!

No I didn't drop it. The bolt holes in the chuck where not tapped deep
enough to mount the plate solidly. The came up nearly a 1/16 short. Ok,
disassemble it again. Tap out the holes after I find the right tap, and
re-assemble.

Now to mount it on the lathe. I could feel that perfect fit slide
together. Oooh! Nice! Carefully I torque the holding nuts on the studs.
Loose all the way around, then snug all the way around, then tight all the
way around. I felt like a surgeon performing a delicate arterial graft.

Click, and watch expectantly for that butter smooth rotation to begin....
What, its wobbling like a drunken sailor. No kidding. It was bad. No
offense to any drunken sailors who might be reading this.

I took it apart, checked to make sure all my bolts cleared, and everything
was snugged and then torqued nicely. Everything was fine so I put it back
together just "knowing" that I most have been hallucinating the first
time. Nope. :^(

Wobble wobble wobble.

Then I thought maybe my lathe was just that crappy that it couldn't handle
a heavier chuck. While I watched it wallow its way around in a slow
circles I grabbed a scale and set up up next to the assembly to see if I
could spot the first place it was out of true. It was the adaptor plate.
I had to look three times and then I still didn't believe it. The adaptor
plate that was such a perfect fit to everything else was a full 1/32 out
of true. I could see the edge of the adaptor plate going back and forth
on the front and back side in relationship to everything else. The only
other thing visibly out of true was the chuck that was mounted on it.

I took everything back apart again and thought about it for a while. Then
I figured what the heck. I'll turn one side flat. As I was getting it
mounted back up with out the chuck so I could turn it I noticed a tiny
dent or flat spot on one edge of adaptor plate. I wonder if it could have
been dropped hard enough to bend it, and I wonder if it will try to find
its old shape over time? I guess only time will tell.

Turning it went ok except the hand ground left hand HSS cutter I ground
wouldn't touch it. I'm not kidding. It made a bunch of noise, but didn't
do anything. I reground the lathe bit three or four times and nothing.
Since it was the first HSS bit I have ground I was thinking it must be
something I was doing. Sharp point, rounded point, square point.
Nothing. Oh some metal came off, but is was mostly the bit. Ok. Break
out a brand new carbide cutter. Nothing. WHAT!? Oh, what an idiot. I
was running the lathe in reverse.

I resharpened the HSS bit again to a nice point and started removing
material. It made a whapping sound as the adaptor plate turned under it
for the first couple passes until it got close to true. By then I needed
to resharpen the bit again. A radius tip did a nice job of smoothing the
surface, and then resharpen to a point again to clean out the corners.

I dismounted the plate, and marked it with a file next to one of the
studs. I marked the matching stud hole with a file on the spindle mounted
lathe plate as well. That way it will go back on exactly the same way
every time.

I carefully torqued the chuck onto the plate, and then I carefully torqued
the plate onto the lathe. Gently tighten all the way around, then snug
around, then tight around.

I flipped the switch expecting who knows what all kind of catastrophic
failure.

It looks good. I don't have a piece of precision rod to check it, but it
looks really good.

I suppose for an old hack machinist checking this sort of thing and
machining it true is routine, but for me it was quite an adventure.


Good that you got it fixed Bob. Sometimes it can be soooooo disappointing
when you get a new toy and it all turns to crap!

On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:09:08 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote:

As most folks probably do I wanted to get a little better quality out of my
cheap lathe. I bought a 4" 4 Jaw chuck from Little Machine Shop and an
adaptor plate. They claim all kinds of wonderfulness and accuracy.

It arrived Saturday, but I had a fishing tournament to go out and donate
some money to on Saturday, and I didn't get around to playing with it until
today. Actually this afternoon. I always sleep late the day after a
tournament. LOL.

Anyway, I check the plate to the plate on the lathe. Perfectly snug fit. I
mean if there was oil on it, and there wasn't a hole in the middle it would
pull a vacuum taking it off perfect. Cool I thought. Then I checked the
plate to the chuck. Same fit. I was excited. Man oh man this was going to
be awesome.

I bolted the plate to the chuck and retrieved the studs from the old chuck.
After lining up and assembling snugly I picked up the assembly to put it on
the lathe.

CLUNK!

No I didn't drop it. The bolt holes in the chuck where not tapped deep
enough to mount the plate solidly. The came up nearly a 1/16 short. Ok,
disassemble it again. Tap out the holes after I find the right tap, and
re-assemble.

Now to mount it on the lathe. I could feel that perfect fit slide together.
Oooh! Nice! Carefully I torque the holding nuts on the studs. Loose all
the way around, then snug all the way around, then tight all the way around.
I felt like a surgeon performing a delicate arterial graft.

Click, and watch expectantly for that butter smooth rotation to begin....
What, its wobbling like a drunken sailor. No kidding. It was bad. No
offense to any drunken sailors who might be reading this.

I took it apart, checked to make sure all my bolts cleared, and everything
was snugged and then torqued nicely. Everything was fine so I put it back
together just "knowing" that I most have been hallucinating the first time.
Nope. :^(

Wobble wobble wobble.

Then I thought maybe my lathe was just that crappy that it couldn't handle a
heavier chuck. While I watched it wallow its way around in a slow circles I
grabbed a scale and set up up next to the assembly to see if I could spot
the first place it was out of true. It was the adaptor plate. I had to
look three times and then I still didn't believe it. The adaptor plate that
was such a perfect fit to everything else was a full 1/32 out of true. I
could see the edge of the adaptor plate going back and forth on the front
and back side in relationship to everything else. The only other thing
visibly out of true was the chuck that was mounted on it.

I took everything back apart again and thought about it for a while. Then I
figured what the heck. I'll turn one side flat. As I was getting it
mounted back up with out the chuck so I could turn it I noticed a tiny dent
or flat spot on one edge of adaptor plate. I wonder if it could have been
dropped hard enough to bend it, and I wonder if it will try to find its old
shape over time? I guess only time will tell.

Turning it went ok except the hand ground left hand HSS cutter I ground
wouldn't touch it. I'm not kidding. It made a bunch of noise, but didn't
do anything. I reground the lathe bit three or four times and nothing.
Since it was the first HSS bit I have ground I was thinking it must be
something I was doing. Sharp point, rounded point, square point. Nothing.
Oh some metal came off, but is was mostly the bit. Ok. Break out a brand
new carbide cutter. Nothing. WHAT!? Oh, what an idiot. I was running the
lathe in reverse.

I resharpened the HSS bit again to a nice point and started removing
material. It made a whapping sound as the adaptor plate turned under it for
the first couple passes until it got close to true. By then I needed to
resharpen the bit again. A radius tip did a nice job of smoothing the
surface, and then resharpen to a point again to clean out the corners.

I dismounted the plate, and marked it with a file next to one of the studs.
I marked the matching stud hole with a file on the spindle mounted lathe
plate as well. That way it will go back on exactly the same way every time.

I carefully torqued the chuck onto the plate, and then I carefully torqued
the plate onto the lathe. Gently tighten all the way around, then snug
around, then tight around.

I flipped the switch expecting who knows what all kind of catastrophic
failure.

It looks good. I don't have a piece of precision rod to check it, but it
looks really good.

I suppose for an old hack machinist checking this sort of thing and
machining it true is routine, but for me it was quite an adventure.


Very well done! Each long trip starts out with a couple small steps and
then one finds his stride.

Well done!


Gunner

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
As most folks probably do I wanted to get a little better quality out of
my cheap lathe. I bought a 4" 4 Jaw chuck from Little Machine Shop and an
adaptor plate. They claim all kinds of wonderfulness and accuracy.

snip

It looks good. I don't have a piece of precision rod to check it, but it
looks really good.

I suppose for an old hack machinist checking this sort of thing and
machining it true is routine, but for me it was quite an adventure.

I turn a couple things last night after my previous post. Made some spacers
for a saw arbor, and just for the heck of it took a hardened pin I had been
testing cutters on previously. Wow. I am impressed. This chuck holds
stuff a lot better than the old chuck. With 5 inches of a 5/8 pin sticking
out in the air I was able to rough turn all the way to the end. My poor
multi re-sharpened HSS bit was getting ragged again, but I really like the
new chuck. It costs me over an inch of working length though. Still the
only time I may ever put the old chuck back on EVER is if I need that extra
inch.