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Gingery, and who else?
I have seen and read a bit of Gingery's books on bootstrapping a
machine shop. I like 'em! Another book I've seen is how to build a lathe from ground flat tool steel. That's one high precision machine tool! Who else has written about this kind of thing? Are there any books surveying the devlopment of machine tools *historically* all the way back? (Including milestones like Maudsley's screw cutter, and the lapping method of correcting leadscrews) One of us here, if I remember, gave a link to his personal site of machine tool history. I asked that a category of "universal machines" be added. That was about five crashes ago. I've lost that link! Do any of you have that one? Douglas (Dana) Goncz Replikon Research Seven Corners, VA 22044-0394 |
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:47:59 -0800 (PST), The Dougster
wrote: I have seen and read a bit of Gingery's books on bootstrapping a machine shop. I like 'em! Another book I've seen is how to build a lathe from ground flat tool steel. That's one high precision machine tool! Who else has written about this kind of thing? Are there any books surveying the devlopment of machine tools *historically* all the way back? (Including milestones like Maudsley's screw cutter, and the lapping method of correcting leadscrews) One of us here, if I remember, gave a link to his personal site of machine tool history. I asked that a category of "universal machines" be added. That was about five crashes ago. I've lost that link! Do any of you have that one? Douglas (Dana) Goncz Replikon Research Seven Corners, VA 22044-0394 ========== Lindsay books has not only the Gingery series, but also carries a line of reprints on early machine tools and history. These change frequently, and his web site does not cover every book that he stocks, so request a catalog and if you see anything you like order quick. FWIW -- I have been a very satisfied Lindsay customer for several years. to start and get a catalog see http://www.lindsaybks.com/ a few of the books that may be of interest [not everything is on the website] http://www.lindsaybks.com/bks11/accurate/index.html http://www.lindsaybks.com/bks9/eal/index.html http://www.lindsaybks.com/bks6/ms00/index.html http://www.lindsaybks.com/bks3/odds/index.html and of course http://www.lindsaybks.com/dgjp/index.html Linsay also has several other build your own machine tool books. http://www.lindsaybks.com/prod/allbks.html also see http://books.google.com/books?id=yt8...the%22&f=false Unka George (George McDuffee) ............................... The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). |
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:47:59 -0800 (PST), The Dougster
wrote: snip One of us here, if I remember, gave a link to his personal site of machine tool history. I asked that a category of "universal machines" be added. That was about five crashes ago. I've lost that link! snip -------- try http://opensourcemachine.org/ http://opensourcemachine.org/the-mul...imachine-video http://blog.makezine.com/archive/200..._build_yo.html http://makerfaireafrica.com/2009/06/...-as-a-roadmap/ http://m.ictdev.org/pulse/20090814/a...ollin%E2%80%99 Has anybody built or run one? Unka George (George McDuffee) ............................... The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). |
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On Dec 23, 9:47*pm, The Dougster
wrote: I have seen and read a bit of Gingery's books on bootstrapping a machine shop. ... Who else has written about this kind of thing? Someone wrote a book about using truck pistons as headstocks for their homemade lathe and milling machine. The spindle runs in the wrist pin hole. Are there any books surveying the devlopment of machine tools *historically* all the way back? (Including milestones like Maudsley's screw cutter, and the lapping method of correcting leadscrews) Douglas (Dana) Goncz "English and American Machine Tool Builders" gives short histories of the men who created machine tools and a little on the machines. The Holtzapffel series describes the early machines from a lathe builder's perspective, with line drawings good enough to make your own copies. Other histories slight the Holtzapffels, perhaps because they were German instead of English, but they were significant early contributors, for example they sold 3-jaw self-centering lathe chucks from 1811 on and built the complex geometric lathes that were like 3- dimensional spirographs. http://www.ornamentalturning.co.uk/index.1.jpg "Hand or Simple Turning" and "Turning and Mechanical Manipulation" together give the history of lathe development and the tools and methods of originating screw threads. http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=holtzapffel I have dialup and can't download the full files here at home. jsw |
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On Dec 23, 8:47*pm, The Dougster
wrote: I have seen and read a bit of Gingery's books on bootstrapping a machine shop. I like 'em! Another book I've seen is how to build a lathe from ground flat tool steel. That's one high precision machine tool! Who else has written about this kind of thing? Are there any books surveying the devlopment of machine tools *historically* all the way back? (Including milestones like Maudsley's screw cutter, and the lapping method of correcting leadscrews) One of us here, if I remember, gave a link to his personal site of machine tool history. I asked that a category of "universal machines" be added. That was about five crashes ago. I've lost that link! Do any of you have that one? Douglas (Dana) Goncz Replikon Research Seven Corners, VA 22044-0394 I've seen the bookseller Nation Builder Books at a Cabin Fever Expo that I attended several years back. Their website is www.nbbooks.com. They carry some of the Gingery books, but mostly specialize in metalworking history. |
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On Dec 23, 7:47*pm, The Dougster
wrote: I have seen and read a bit of Gingery's books on bootstrapping a machine shop. I like 'em! Another book I've seen is how to build a lathe from ground flat tool steel. That's one high precision machine tool! Who else has written about this kind of thing? Are there any books surveying the devlopment of machine tools *historically* all the way back? (Including milestones like Maudsley's screw cutter, and the lapping method of correcting leadscrews) One of us here, if I remember, gave a link to his personal site of machine tool history. I asked that a category of "universal machines" be added. That was about five crashes ago. I've lost that link! Do any of you have that one? Douglas (Dana) Goncz Replikon Research Seven Corners, VA 22044-0394 If you've got a decent large library with back issues of The Model Engineer, they had lots of do-it-yourself machine tool building in the pre-50's issues, folks were a lot poorer and more motivated back then. One of the 1900's has a do-it-yourself hand-powered planer series you could build with pattern-making directions and such. You're supposed to take the patterns to your local foundry to get them cast. The local library has two of three volumes of historical machine tool development, the set comprises lathes, milling machines and grinding tools, they've got the ones for lathes and grinding. There are others on the subject out there, but you'd probably have to visit a large university library to read them, that's where I read them. Village Publications has had several milling machine projects in their home shop mags, one used an old 4 cylinder engine block for the arbor foundation. For freebies, don't forget Gutenberg and archive.org, both have downloadable old machine-shop manuals. Stan |
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wrote in message ... On Dec 23, 7:47 pm, The Dougster wrote: I have seen and read a bit of Gingery's books on bootstrapping a machine shop. I like 'em! Another book I've seen is how to build a lathe from ground flat tool steel. That's one high precision machine tool! Who else has written about this kind of thing? Are there any books surveying the devlopment of machine tools *historically* all the way back? (Including milestones like Maudsley's screw cutter, and the lapping method of correcting leadscrews) If you're in Ohio, you could look into the 100th Anniversay Issue of _American Machinist_ (1978) http://web2.ohiohistory.org/ipac20/i....&index=#focus It's close to 300 pages, IIRC, tracing the development of machine tools and metalworking manufacturing in the US from the beginning. It's available in a few other libraries. I recommend it, because I helped write it. d8-) You can Google search for ["american machinist" 100th anniversay issue] and you'll see some other sources for it. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Dec 24, 6:15*pm, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or about Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:19:07 -0800 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking *the following: On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:42:29 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 23, 7:47*pm, The Dougster wrote: I have seen and read a bit of Gingery's books on bootstrapping a machine shop. I like 'em! Another book I've seen is how to build a lathe from ground flat tool steel. That's one high precision machine tool! (snip) If you've got a decent large library with back issues of The Model Engineer, they had lots of do-it-yourself machine tool building in the pre-50's issues, folks were a lot poorer and more motivated back then. * One of the 1900's has a do-it-yourself hand-powered planer series you could build with pattern-making directions and such. You're supposed to take the patterns to your local foundry to get them cast. The local library has two of three volumes of historical machine tool development, the set comprises lathes, milling machines and grinding tools, they've got the ones for lathes and grinding. *There are others on the subject out there, but you'd probably have to visit a large university library to read them, that's where I read them. *Village Publications has had several milling machine projects in their home shop mags, one used an old 4 cylinder engine block for the arbor foundation. (snip) Im curious though...given the decline in the metalworking in the US..the absolutely cheap or free machinery that is out there now days...why, other than as an excercise..why would anyone in the US bother with making a machine tool? * * * * They are really, really anal, about quality control? *That is, they think they can make a better one? The stuff is so cheap (except for shipping) that its cost effective to simply BUY a machine with pocket change. * * * * I used to make little wooden boxes, about 4" x 6". *Someone asked "Why don't you sell these?" *Because it was something I did for the doing. *You could not afford the eight hours labor that went into making it all by hand (no power tools), let alone the parts and overhead. * * * * * But after getting some oak stock cleaned up, I quipped "Do it this way, you understand why power tools were invented!" Many thanks to all in this Christmas Eve thread Yep, I remember the truck-piston lathe, too. Why make a machine tool? "The Perfect Toothpick" A lumberjack had a pair of dentures that were giving him trouble. Rather than get the dentures fixed, he cut down a tree...and that was how the Perfect Toothpick was made! LOL something like that? A case of extremely linear (and yes, possibly anal-retentive) thinking, perhaps.... I still have the lost link problem. The site had pictures and descriptions of hundreds of classic machine tools going back more than 100 years, and the owner did me a favor by putting in a new category after Mills, Lathes, etc. It was Universal Machines. There were a dozen or two, from benchtop to submarine to even larger models. We all live in a yellow submarine It's painted pink and green You know what I mean We all live in a yellow submarine It's painted pink and green Inside Happy Happy Joy Joy Christmas, everybody! Doug |
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On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:25:44 -0800 (PST), The Dougster
wrote: I still have the lost link problem. The site had pictures and descriptions of hundreds of classic machine tools going back more than 100 years, and the owner did me a favor by putting in a new category after Mills, Lathes, etc. It was Universal Machines. There were a dozen or two, from benchtop to submarine to even larger models. This one? http://www.lathes.co.uk/page21.html -- Ned Simmons |
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On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:19:07 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: Im curious though...given the decline in the metalworking in the US..the absolutely cheap or free machinery that is out there now days...why, other than as an excercise..why would anyone in the US bother with making a machine tool? The stuff is so cheap (except for shipping) that its cost effective to simply BUY a machine with pocket change. True... it is *now* cheaper to buy a lathe than to build a Gingery lathe. But when I started my Gingery (around 1982) there were no 7x10s to be seen. And I was taken by the idea that I could cast parts --- I've always enjoyed foundry --- and build a tool that I had merely wanted for years (didn't need it and certainly couldn't justify it on my salary at the time). It took quite a few years but I finally did finish the lathe, and it worked pretty well. Dave even sent me a certificate of completion. And the foundry and hand work I had to put into the machine was well worth the education I received. Terry |
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On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:22:02 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins
wrote: snip "Hand or Simple Turning" and "Turning and Mechanical Manipulation" together give the history of lathe development and the tools and methods of originating screw threads. http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=holtzapffel I have dialup and can't download the full files here at home. jsw Forgive me if you already know this... Along the left side of the page when you are looking at a book on the Archive.org website you will see a link for "All Files: HTTP". Example page: http://www.archive.org/details/turni...nica01holtuoft this link: http://ia311325.us.archive.org/2/ite...nica01holtuoft which will show you this file among many others: http://ia311325.us.archive.org/2/ite...1holtuoft.djvu Click on that and you get direct/download access to the Djvu file. Otherwise you will get the Djvu stream, can't download that very well. It is normally the smallest file that best displays the whole book. Some of the books scanned by Google first though are worthless in djvu format, have to stick with the pdf version with those, which isn't very good either... The first "Turning & Mechanical Manipulation" book by Holtzapffel is just shy of 19 mb in Djvu format (the example I gave above). The first four books are available at Archive.org. Book four is the largest, ~26 mb. I downloaded all four using dial-up, it isn't all that bad (shrug). WinDjvu is the best viewer for Djvu, look he http://windjview.sourceforge.net/ Open the installer (exe) with 7-Zip (look for it at Sourceforge) and extract the exe file yourself. There are usually two versions (same name ie "WinDjView.exe") if one doesn't run/work try the other. The program consists of just one exe, either version runs on my old WinNT system. If you run the installer you will get a "Yandex" search bar too that you really don't need or probably want. I'm sure you know how to create your own program links The DjvuLibre viewer is pretty good too, you can get it he http://djvu.sourceforge.net/ It can do some things that WinDjvu can't in manipulating and saving pages to other formats. -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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In , on Fri, 25 Dec 2009
13:15:32 -0400, Leon Fisk, wrote: [...] The DjvuLibre viewer is pretty good too, you can get it he http://djvu.sourceforge.net/ It can do some things that WinDjvu can't in manipulating and saving pages to other formats. Evince is another djvu viewer (that happens to be less than 1/3 the size of Djview4 (current djvulibre). The package description: Evince is a simple multi-page document viewer. It can display and print PostScript (PS), Encapsulated PostScript (EPS), DJVU, DVI and Portable Document Format (PDF) files. When supported by the document, it also allows searching for text, copying text to the clipboard, hypertext navigation, and table-of-contents bookmarks. -- ˜¯˜¯ |
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On Dec 25, 12:15*pm, Leon Fisk wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:22:02 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins ...... "Hand or Simple Turning" and "Turning and Mechanical Manipulation" together give the history of lathe development and the tools and methods of originating screw threads. http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=holtzapffel I have dialup and can't download the full files here at home. jsw Forgive me if you already know this... Along the left side of the page when you are looking at a book on the Archive.org website you will see a link for "All Files: HTTP". Example page: .... Leon Fisk Thanks, but I downloaded all 4 plus a few others at my sister's on Christmas. Even on Comcast the 50MB color PDFs were very slow so I have the b/w ones, with white instead of yellowed pages. The small text-only files were full of OCR errors. I store downloads redundantly on several computers and USB drives, and don't fuss with file types that require custom software. Installing the software is less of an issue than researching it to be SURE it has no adverse effects. #1 gives the state of the art in metallurgy as of ~1850 and it's surprisingly modern. They could analyze the carbon content of steel in 1/2 hour, about as quickly as the wet-chemical method I learned in the 1960's. Speed is important because the iron can't be poured until the chemist blesses it. Charles Holtzapffel understood that recrystallization to a different form was the basis of hardening and suspected but couldn't prove nitride hardening. Chemistry advanced quickly after Lavoisier demonstrated that elements combine in small integer ratios. CH conjectured that alloys behave similarly. I like real books better than electronic ones too, but electronic copies can be searched to find a reference to quote here. I tested it on the .pdf page images with the Foxit reader. jsw |
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On Dec 24, 8:38*pm, Ned Simmons wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:25:44 -0800 (PST), The Dougster wrote: I still have the lost link problem. The site had pictures and descriptions of hundreds of classic machine tools going back more than 100 years, and the owner did me a favor by putting in a new category after Mills, Lathes, etc. It was Universal Machines. There were a dozen or two, from benchtop to submarine to even larger models. This one?http://www.lathes.co.uk/page21.html -- Ned Simmons Huzzah! I owe you a beverage, Ned. From the page, with "Homemade Machines" now included: COMBINATION MACHINES Ames Triplex (USA) Arboga UM400 Adcock & Shipley Dalton (USA) Dainichi Hommel Kitchen & Wade Kneller Labormil (Raglan based) Leinweber Metalmaster (Impetus) Meyer & Burger (Astoba) Murad Bormilathe Piho (Germany) Rindis Ryder (Thomas Ryder) Saacke (Germany) Sacia Scope Siome Covema UWG HOME-BUILT LATHES F'only Elffers Geslo Greenly Hooray! Doug |
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On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:27:37 -0800 (PST), The Dougster
wrote: On Dec 24, 8:38*pm, Ned Simmons wrote: On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:25:44 -0800 (PST), The Dougster wrote: I still have the lost link problem. The site had pictures and descriptions of hundreds of classic machine tools going back more than 100 years, and the owner did me a favor by putting in a new category after Mills, Lathes, etc. It was Universal Machines. There were a dozen or two, from benchtop to submarine to even larger models. This one?http://www.lathes.co.uk/page21.html -- Ned Simmons Huzzah! I owe you a beverage, Ned. It'll have to be a warm one, at least for the next few months. g Re your other post about synchros, the best summary of the various flavors of this family of devices (synchros, selsysns, resolvers, etc.) that I've seen is in Clifton Precision's 'Analog Components' catalog. It seems Clifton is long gone, but you may be able to google up a downloadable copy or a hardcopy on ebay. This is a reference to it: http://www-cdr.stanford.edu/MADEFAST...21/litton.html If you can't find it and are really interested, I can make photocopies of the relevant stuff from my copy. -- Ned Simmons |
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