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Jim Chandler writes:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:35:26 -0800 (PST), TwoGuns wrote: Just switching off the engine WILL NOT WORK with the steering column locks on almost all cars since 1975 or so. I'm sure you said that and hit send before thinking about it Chris. Apparently you are not familiar with the fact that the OFF position is the first detent out of on and the LOCK is the second and requires the wheel to be in a certain position to lock. Try it sometime. Turn off your engine with the wheel turned to one side or the other. It will not lock until the wheel is turned to a specific spot. Therefore, the argument that the wheel will lock if you turn off the ignition is not valid. Since it turns out the car had a keyless ignition this is losing relevance, but -- on all the cars I own, you do have to move the wheel to one of a number of specific spots, but there are enough of them that normal movement of the wheel to drive down the road would be certain to hit one (more relevant would be that there is an intermediate key position). -- As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin) |
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"Stephen B." writes:
"Erik" wrote "Bill Noble" wrote: probably, but lawsuits don't bring back the dead. One advantage of driving a standard transmission car is that there is almost nothing that can prevent you from disconnecting the engine from the drive train - you have both a clutch and a shift lever (and the skill to use them). Ahhh... but with some sticks you can be surprised by the occasional busted clutch cable. Been there done that it is no problem to push out of gear so one can stop. The tricky part is knowing how to get home after the stop by starting in first and then work your way up the gears by RPM matching so as not to destroy the transmission. Every clutch owner should try it out before it is absolutely needed. My daughter's solution to that problem was to pull out her cell phone, "Dad...." -- As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin) |
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:08:51 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:14:18 -0800, Jim Chandler wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:41:21 -0800 (PST), TwoGuns wrote: Watching the CBS evening news this evening I have to wonder is every one in the TV Broadcast business a CLUELESS ****ING IDIOT? Four people died in an accident in a Toyota. The 911 call was played on air. Evidently the throttle pedal had gotten caught under a floor mat and the 911 caller was applying brakes but could not stop. The Toyota with four people crashed at an intersection killing the occupants. The 911 call lasted for several seconds and the dispatcher did not tell the driver to put the car in NEUTRAL. PUT THE ****ING TRANNY IN NEUTRAL and then apply brakes. Is that too hard to comprehend? CBS should be sued for not telling their audience the proper way to react to a situation like this. DL How about just turning the key off? That would kill the engine and the problem would go away. You are correct in your assessment that everyone in the broadcast business is a clueless idiot. They can't be bothered to research the subject. Jim Many vehicles these days do NOT use keys. The car in question didnt have a key..but a "start button"..and to shut it down requires one to press it for up to 4 seconds. You just got here..right ? G Gunner "Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout" Unknown Usnet Poster Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls. Keyton So push the bloody button and hold it. Then go have the car modified back to a saner system. :-) Jim |
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:53:20 -0800, "Bill Noble"
wrote: "Jim Chandler" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:41:21 -0800 (PST), TwoGuns wrote: Watching the CBS evening news this evening I have to wonder is every one in the TV Broadcast business a CLUELESS ****ING IDIOT? Four people died in an accident in a Toyota. The 911 call was played on air. Evidently the throttle pedal had gotten caught under a floor mat and the 911 caller was applying brakes but could not stop. The Toyota with four people crashed at an intersection killing the occupants. The 911 call lasted for several seconds and the dispatcher did not tell the driver to put the car in NEUTRAL. PUT THE ****ING TRANNY IN NEUTRAL and then apply brakes. Is that too hard to comprehend? CBS should be sued for not telling their audience the proper way to react to a situation like this. DL How about just turning the key off? That would kill the engine and the problem would go away. You are correct in your assessment that everyone in the broadcast business is a clueless idiot. They can't be bothered to research the subject. Jim and, mr Jim, perhaps you haven't been reading anything at all about this? How else could you make the above post - Many journalists DID research the subject, the links have been posted here, did you not see them? My post regarding the "journalists" was a general one. How many times have you seen/heard/read some so-called "journalist" make a statement on a subject with which you were intimately familiar and noticed that they didn't know WTF they were talking about? More often than not, I suspect. The proper course of action here would have been to turn off the engine, by whatever means necessary for that particular vehicle and wrestle it to the side of the road. Unfortunately, most drivers on the road today don't have the mental presence to accomplish this. Their first reaction is to stomp the brakes and nothing else. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that drivers today are not taught to drive. If they have any training at all, it's to turn on the ignition, put it in gear (automatic) and point it where you want to go. Since Driver's Ed is no longer taught they haven't the foggiest about what to do in an emergency. Even in Driver's Ed, they didn't go into much detail or depth on emergencies. I've had my share (and then some) of mechanical vehicular failures and have managed to survive without so much as a scratch on the vehicle. The worst one was a total brake failure on a 28' "bread" truck that I was driving. I had just come over the top of a freeway crossing and pushed on the brake to slow for the approaching lights. The pedal went to the floor and the truck continued to build speed downhill. My action was to grab the emergency brake, slam it into first gear and lay on the horn, all while steering the beast to the side of the road to scrub off speed on the curb. Turns out that, somehow, the puchrod for the master cylinder had popped out and therefore there were no brakes. How many drivers today do you think would have had the presence of mind to do that? Not many I'd suspect. Fortunately, I've had several years of emergency vehicle (police car) driving, and dirt track racing experience to fall back on. A thorough understanding of how my vehicles work also helps. Too bad that there isn't a requirement for SOME kind of training prior to obtaining a driver's license. Hell, most of them today can't even change a tire. Jim |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:14:18 -0800, Jim Chandler wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:41:21 -0800 (PST), TwoGuns wrote: Watching the CBS evening news this evening I have to wonder is every one in the TV Broadcast business a CLUELESS ****ING IDIOT? Four people died in an accident in a Toyota. The 911 call was played on air. Evidently the throttle pedal had gotten caught under a floor mat and the 911 caller was applying brakes but could not stop. The Toyota with four people crashed at an intersection killing the occupants. The 911 call lasted for several seconds and the dispatcher did not tell the driver to put the car in NEUTRAL. PUT THE ****ING TRANNY IN NEUTRAL and then apply brakes. Is that too hard to comprehend? CBS should be sued for not telling their audience the proper way to react to a situation like this. DL How about just turning the key off? That would kill the engine and the problem would go away. You are correct in your assessment that everyone in the broadcast business is a clueless idiot. They can't be bothered to research the subject. Jim Many vehicles these days do NOT use keys. The car in question didnt have a key..but a "start button"..and to shut it down requires one to press it for up to 4 seconds. You just got here..right ? G Gunner Actually you just have to pust the button with the brakes applied. And he most likely was stomping on the brakes to slow down the car. So he probably did not push the off button. |
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Jim Chandler wrote: Too bad that there isn't a requirement for SOME kind of training prior to obtaining a driver's license. Hell, most of them today can't even change a tire. I don't know if it's so or not, but have heard in Sweden you need to pass an elementary 'automotive mechanical aptitude' test to get a drivers license. Simple basic stuff like correct use of jumper cables and putting on the spare... and if your not physically able, at least be able to correctly direct someone else in doing so. Does anyone know if there's any truth to this? Sounds like a good idea to me. (An item on my 'list' would be explaining how to restart a fuel injected engine after it's been run out of fuel... without burning up the starter, and running down the battery. How do you do it? On most cars, after adding a little fuel, turn the key to the 'run' position, wait about 4 seconds then turn it back off. Repeat 50 or 60 times. Each cycle runs the pump 2 or 3 seconds without grinding away on the starter. Long vehicles, like limos will require more cycles. And how do you do it with a vehicle equipped with a 'start button? I don't have a clue... probably there is a way to run the fuel pump with a scan tool or jumper wire, but who knows...) Erik |
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"Jim Chandler" wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:53:20 -0800, "Bill Noble" wrote: and, mr Jim, perhaps you haven't been reading anything at all about this? How else could you make the above post - Many journalists DID research the subject, the links have been posted here, did you not see them? My post regarding the "journalists" was a general one. How many times have you seen/heard/read some so-called "journalist" make a statement on a subject with which you were intimately familiar and noticed that they didn't know WTF they were talking about? More often than not, I suspect. The proper course of action here would have been to turn off the engine, by whatever means necessary for that particular vehicle and wrestle it to the side of the road. Unfortunately, most drivers on the road today don't have the mental presence to accomplish this. Their first reaction is to stomp the brakes and nothing else. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that drivers today are not taught to drive. If they have any training at all, it's to turn on the ignition, put it in gear (automatic) and point it where you want to go. Since Driver's Ed is no longer taught they haven't the foggiest about what to do in an emergency. Even in Driver's Ed, they didn't go into much detail or depth on emergencies. I've had my share (and then some) of mechanical vehicular failures and have managed to survive without so much as a scratch on the vehicle. The worst one was a total brake failure on a 28' "bread" truck that I was driving. I had just come over the top of a freeway crossing and pushed on the brake to slow for the approaching lights. The pedal went to the floor and the truck continued to build speed downhill. My action was to grab the emergency brake, slam it into first gear and lay on the horn, all while steering the beast to the side of the road to scrub off speed on the curb. Turns out that, somehow, the puchrod for the master cylinder had popped out and therefore there were no brakes. How many drivers today do you think would have had the presence of mind to do that? Not many I'd suspect. Fortunately, I've had several years of emergency vehicle (police car) driving, and dirt track racing experience to fall back on. A thorough understanding of how my vehicles work also helps. Too bad that there isn't a requirement for SOME kind of training prior to obtaining a driver's license. Hell, most of them today can't even change a tire. Jim Noted, but in this case, the driver was a CHP officer, who presumably is well trained in all these issues. And, to put a different take on your brake failure - a few decades back I was driving a 356 down a hill when I noticed torque steer - "this can't be good" thinks I, so I back off on the gas and start to slow - at that moment the rear wheel leaves the car, taking the brake drum with it. So, I'm leaving a nice rooster tail of sparks as the car rides on three wheels and one shock tower. Press the brakes - nothing (single brake system, not dual like modern cars) - pull emergency brake - nothing - mechanical differential, downshift - nothing - there's a differential in the gearbox and no positraction - so I turned off the ignition to reduce chance of fire (no steering lock on that car) and rode it out - but, look at the steps I took - there was NOTHING more to do to slow it down - it finally stopped when the road leveled out, the shock tower caught in a crack in the freeway and spun me into the center divider, shortening the car by about 18 inches. That's a ride I'd rather avoid in the future. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message m... How about just turning the key off? That would kill the engine and the problem would go away. You are correct in your assessment that everyone in the broadcast business is a clueless idiot. They can't be bothered to research the subject. Jim Many vehicles these days do NOT use keys. The car in question didnt have a key..but a "start button"..and to shut it down requires one to press it for up to 4 seconds. You just got here..right ? G Gunner Actually you just have to pust the button with the brakes applied. And he most likely was stomping on the brakes to slow down the car. So he probably did not push the off button. maybe, or maybe the software had locked up and nothing would do the trick - there is no real "off" switch anywhere so you are depending on the software working correctly at all times. |
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:32:32 -0800, Erik wrote:
(An item on my 'list' would be explaining how to restart a fuel injected engine after it's been run out of fuel... without burning up the starter, and running down the battery. How do you do it? On most cars, after adding a little fuel, turn the key to the 'run' position, wait about 4 seconds then turn it back off. Repeat 50 or 60 times. Each cycle runs the pump 2 or 3 seconds without grinding away on the starter. Long vehicles, like limos will require more cycles. Why not simply turn the key to the run position, open the hood and press a ballpoint pen or other item, on the little gizmo in the Schraider valve on the fuel injector rail until it spritzs gas up like a litle fountain? Or doesnt that work? Please tell me! I might run out of gas someday. Gunner "Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout" Unknown Usnet Poster Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls. Keyton |
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:24:22 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:14:18 -0800, Jim Chandler wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:41:21 -0800 (PST), TwoGuns wrote: Watching the CBS evening news this evening I have to wonder is every one in the TV Broadcast business a CLUELESS ****ING IDIOT? Four people died in an accident in a Toyota. The 911 call was played on air. Evidently the throttle pedal had gotten caught under a floor mat and the 911 caller was applying brakes but could not stop. The Toyota with four people crashed at an intersection killing the occupants. The 911 call lasted for several seconds and the dispatcher did not tell the driver to put the car in NEUTRAL. PUT THE ****ING TRANNY IN NEUTRAL and then apply brakes. Is that too hard to comprehend? CBS should be sued for not telling their audience the proper way to react to a situation like this. DL How about just turning the key off? That would kill the engine and the problem would go away. You are correct in your assessment that everyone in the broadcast business is a clueless idiot. They can't be bothered to research the subject. Jim Many vehicles these days do NOT use keys. The car in question didnt have a key..but a "start button"..and to shut it down requires one to press it for up to 4 seconds. You just got here..right ? G Gunner Actually you just have to pust the button with the brakes applied. And he most likely was stomping on the brakes to slow down the car. So he probably did not push the off button. How long do you have to hold it (button) to kill the engine? This is something Id LIKE to know..just in case someday it happens to me. Gunner "Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout" Unknown Usnet Poster Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls. Keyton |
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On Nov 30, 12:24*am, "Bill McKee" wrote:
Actually you just have to pust the button with the brakes applied. *And he most likely was stomping on the brakes to slow down the car. *So he probably did not push the off button. Whoever designed this should first sit in the vehicle, stand on the brake pedal as hard as possible and then try to lean forward to reach the button, while 10 people wave bright lights and throw stuff at them as a distraction. jsw, right in the middle of this issue but unable to say much. |
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On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:35:12 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: How long do you have to hold it (button) to kill the engine? This is something Id LIKE to know..just in case someday it happens to me. Gunner LOL On the day you're telling us that your electricity is to be cut off momentarily due to non-payment, you're using the last of it to ponder dealing with an emergency in a new vehicle! Why not some discussion of how you'd handle a go/no-go decision on a moon landing? Shouldn't you be working on a potato battery or something? Wayne |
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Erik writes:
(An item on my 'list' would be explaining how to restart a fuel injected engine after it's been run out of fuel... without burning up the starter, and running down the battery. How do you do it? On most cars, after adding a little fuel, turn the key to the 'run' position, wait about 4 seconds then turn it back off. Repeat 50 or 60 times. Each cycle runs the pump 2 or 3 seconds without grinding away on the starter. Long vehicles, like limos will require more cycles. And how do you do it with a vehicle equipped with a 'start button? I don't have a clue... probably there is a way to run the fuel pump with a scan tool or jumper wire, but who knows...) The trunk-mounted fuel pump, combined with the use of a regulator that works by opening a bypass that lets fuel back to the tank, means you're talking about a couple of seconds max if you just get in and start the car without messing around with special procedures. You're not going to burn out a starter motor or run down a battery. -- As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin) |
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Why not simply turn the key to the run position, open the hood and press a ballpoint pen or other item, on the little gizmo in the Schraider valve on the fuel injector rail until it spritzs gas up like a litle fountain? Or doesnt that work? Please tell me! I might run out of gas someday. Gunner When the key is first turned on, the pump is only run a couple of seconds to be sure the fuel rail is up to pressure. The pump isn't allowed to run continuously unless the engine is actually running or in the process of being cranked. It's a safety thing, you don't want the pump running alone... if allowed to do so, it could pump the tank contents out through a ruptured fuel line at an accident site. It happened more than a few times back in the early days of electric fuel pumps. It's done several ways, and some also incorporate inertia switches in the fuel pump power lead. They all have a way to override this feature in order to quickly bleed the system and do pressure/flow tests, but your not likely to have the proper scan tool, jumper wires and/or whatever on the cold rainy night you need to do a re start. The override procedure is in your shop manual. Erik PS, Also be aware that not all cars are equipped with fuel service ports... in which case there is no Schrader valve to push. |
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How long do you have to hold it (button) to kill the engine? This is something Id LIKE to know..just in case someday it happens to me. Gunner I think it's 3 continuous seconds for Toyota products. Erik |
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The trunk-mounted fuel pump, combined with the use of a regulator that works by opening a bypass that lets fuel back to the tank, means you're talking about a couple of seconds max if you just get in and start the car without messing around with special procedures. You're not going to burn out a starter motor or run down a battery. You'd think so... but in the real world, it takes a good while. If you just hop in and grind away, you'll grossly exceed the starters duty cycle limits. It's rough on batteries too, and should the battery be already partially discharged and/or it's very cold out, you may not get it started. Also keep in mind that system voltage is lower during starter operation, and as a result fuel pump operation is handicapped to varying degrees... further still slowing the fuel system bleed process. Erik |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
Many vehicles these days do NOT use keys. The car in question didnt have a key..but a "start button"..and to shut it down requires one to press it for up to 4 seconds. Actually you just have to pust the button with the brakes applied. And he most likely was stomping on the brakes to slow down the car. So he probably did not push the off button. How long do you have to hold it (button) to kill the engine? This is something Id LIKE to know..just in case someday it happens to me. You need to push the button 5 times within 2 seconds. Repeat as necessary. :^) |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:24:22 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:14:18 -0800, Jim Chandler wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:41:21 -0800 (PST), TwoGuns wrote: Watching the CBS evening news this evening I have to wonder is every one in the TV Broadcast business a CLUELESS ****ING IDIOT? Four people died in an accident in a Toyota. The 911 call was played on air. Evidently the throttle pedal had gotten caught under a floor mat and the 911 caller was applying brakes but could not stop. The Toyota with four people crashed at an intersection killing the occupants. The 911 call lasted for several seconds and the dispatcher did not tell the driver to put the car in NEUTRAL. PUT THE ****ING TRANNY IN NEUTRAL and then apply brakes. Is that too hard to comprehend? CBS should be sued for not telling their audience the proper way to react to a situation like this. DL How about just turning the key off? That would kill the engine and the problem would go away. You are correct in your assessment that everyone in the broadcast business is a clueless idiot. They can't be bothered to research the subject. Jim Many vehicles these days do NOT use keys. The car in question didnt have a key..but a "start button"..and to shut it down requires one to press it for up to 4 seconds. You just got here..right ? G Gunner Actually you just have to pust the button with the brakes applied. And he most likely was stomping on the brakes to slow down the car. So he probably did not push the off button. How long do you have to hold it (button) to kill the engine? This is something Id LIKE to know..just in case someday it happens to me. Gunner "Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout" Unknown Usnet Poster Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls. Keyton Went off about as soon as the button was pressed. |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:32:32 -0800, Erik wrote: (An item on my 'list' would be explaining how to restart a fuel injected engine after it's been run out of fuel... without burning up the starter, and running down the battery. How do you do it? On most cars, after adding a little fuel, turn the key to the 'run' position, wait about 4 seconds then turn it back off. Repeat 50 or 60 times. Each cycle runs the pump 2 or 3 seconds without grinding away on the starter. Long vehicles, like limos will require more cycles. Why not simply turn the key to the run position, open the hood and press a ballpoint pen or other item, on the little gizmo in the Schraider valve on the fuel injector rail until it spritzs gas up like a litle fountain? Or doesnt that work? Please tell me! I might run out of gas someday. Gunner "Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout" Unknown Usnet Poster Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls. Keyton Do not know on a gas rig, but I think you can just cycle the ignition switch a few times to get the fuel pumped to the engine. On a diesel, take an air hose and a rag and pressurize the tank while cranking the motor. One of my drivers ran a delivery truck F550 out of fuel and another trucker showed him the trick. This was in the early 80's. |
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"Erik" wrote in message ... The trunk-mounted fuel pump, combined with the use of a regulator that works by opening a bypass that lets fuel back to the tank, means you're talking about a couple of seconds max if you just get in and start the car without messing around with special procedures. You're not going to burn out a starter motor or run down a battery. You'd think so... but in the real world, it takes a good while. If you just hop in and grind away, you'll grossly exceed the starters duty cycle limits. It's rough on batteries too, and should the battery be already partially discharged and/or it's very cold out, you may not get it started. Also keep in mind that system voltage is lower during starter operation, and as a result fuel pump operation is handicapped to varying degrees... further still slowing the fuel system bleed process. Erik The main problem is not the starter, but the fuel pumps. The high pressure pump will fail shortly from running dry, and the one in the tank will fail from being overheated. |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote
"Stephen B." wrote: "Erik" wrote "Bill Noble" wrote: probably, but lawsuits don't bring back the dead. One advantage of driving a standard transmission car is that there is almost nothing that can prevent you from disconnecting the engine from the drive train - you have both a clutch and a shift lever (and the skill to use them). Ahhh... but with some sticks you can be surprised by the occasional busted clutch cable. Been there done that it is no problem to push out of gear so one can stop. The tricky part is knowing how to get home after the stop by starting in first and then work your way up the gears by RPM matching so as not to destroy the transmission. Every clutch owner should try it out before it is absolutely needed. Try getting home when every rivet in the clutch shears off, allowing the inner steel disk to spin inside the clutch disks. I hope I will pass on that one. |
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"Bill McKee" writes:
"Erik" wrote in message ... The trunk-mounted fuel pump, combined with the use of a regulator that works by opening a bypass that lets fuel back to the tank, means you're talking about a couple of seconds max if you just get in and start the car without messing around with special procedures. You're not going to burn out a starter motor or run down a battery. You'd think so... but in the real world, it takes a good while. If you just hop in and grind away, you'll grossly exceed the starters duty cycle limits. It's rough on batteries too, and should the battery be already partially discharged and/or it's very cold out, you may not get it started. Also keep in mind that system voltage is lower during starter operation, and as a result fuel pump operation is handicapped to varying degrees... further still slowing the fuel system bleed process. Erik The main problem is not the starter, but the fuel pumps. The high pressure pump will fail shortly from running dry, and the one in the tank will fail from being overheated. Two pumps? Just checked, and this is absolutely not the case for my Intrepid. One pump, in the tank. With lots of liquid around it to cool it. FSM calls for using a scan tool to pressurize the system; I'd have to go out in the rain (yes, it looks like Seattle outside. Snarl) to see if the owner's manual calls for anything special in the event of running out of gas. I'd be really, really surprised. -- As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin) |
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"Stephen B." wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote "Stephen B." wrote: "Erik" wrote "Bill Noble" wrote: probably, but lawsuits don't bring back the dead. One advantage of driving a standard transmission car is that there is almost nothing that can prevent you from disconnecting the engine from the drive train - you have both a clutch and a shift lever (and the skill to use them). Ahhh... but with some sticks you can be surprised by the occasional busted clutch cable. Been there done that it is no problem to push out of gear so one can stop. The tricky part is knowing how to get home after the stop by starting in first and then work your way up the gears by RPM matching so as not to destroy the transmission. Every clutch owner should try it out before it is absolutely needed. Try getting home when every rivet in the clutch shears off, allowing the inner steel disk to spin inside the clutch disks. I hope I will pass on that one. I would have liked to. I went to shift gears, and only heard a high pitched squeal when i let out the clutch. it was in a '73 Chevy Step van, and had been replaced just before I bought the truck from a fleet upgrade. The clutch looked like new, except for the missing rivets. They had bought a bunch of imported crap parts, and it was obvious they weren't up to the task when compared to the OEM clutch. The replacement lasted until I retired the truck, almost 20 years later. -- The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary! |
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"Joe Pfeiffer" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" writes: "Erik" wrote in message ... The trunk-mounted fuel pump, combined with the use of a regulator that works by opening a bypass that lets fuel back to the tank, means you're talking about a couple of seconds max if you just get in and start the car without messing around with special procedures. You're not going to burn out a starter motor or run down a battery. You'd think so... but in the real world, it takes a good while. If you just hop in and grind away, you'll grossly exceed the starters duty cycle limits. It's rough on batteries too, and should the battery be already partially discharged and/or it's very cold out, you may not get it started. Also keep in mind that system voltage is lower during starter operation, and as a result fuel pump operation is handicapped to varying degrees... further still slowing the fuel system bleed process. Erik The main problem is not the starter, but the fuel pumps. The high pressure pump will fail shortly from running dry, and the one in the tank will fail from being overheated. Two pumps? Just checked, and this is absolutely not the case for my Intrepid. One pump, in the tank. With lots of liquid around it to cool it. FSM calls for using a scan tool to pressurize the system; I'd have to go out in the rain (yes, it looks like Seattle outside. Snarl) to see if the owner's manual calls for anything special in the event of running out of gas. I'd be really, really surprised. -- As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin) My fuel injection Chevy in the boat has a low pressure and a high pressure. But when you run out of gas, the tank pump will fail in the not to long future. |
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On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:30:50 -0800, Erik wrote:
Why not simply turn the key to the run position, open the hood and press a ballpoint pen or other item, on the little gizmo in the Schraider valve on the fuel injector rail until it spritzs gas up like a litle fountain? Or doesnt that work? Please tell me! I might run out of gas someday. Gunner When the key is first turned on, the pump is only run a couple of seconds to be sure the fuel rail is up to pressure. The pump isn't allowed to run continuously unless the engine is actually running or in the process of being cranked. It's a safety thing, you don't want the pump running alone... if allowed to do so, it could pump the tank contents out through a ruptured fuel line at an accident site. It happened more than a few times back in the early days of electric fuel pumps. Ah! Thanks! So If the schrader valve is pressed and held down...then the ignition turned on and off repeatedly...it should bleed? Gunner It's done several ways, and some also incorporate inertia switches in the fuel pump power lead. They all have a way to override this feature in order to quickly bleed the system and do pressure/flow tests, but your not likely to have the proper scan tool, jumper wires and/or whatever on the cold rainy night you need to do a re start. The override procedure is in your shop manual. Erik PS, Also be aware that not all cars are equipped with fuel service ports... in which case there is no Schrader valve to push. Ok. Never saw one without..but then Im not a big car guy. Gunner "Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout" Unknown Usnet Poster Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls. Keyton |
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Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:30:50 -0800, Erik wrote: Why not simply turn the key to the run position, open the hood and press a ballpoint pen or other item, on the little gizmo in the Schraider valve on the fuel injector rail until it spritzs gas up like a litle fountain? Or doesnt that work? Please tell me! I might run out of gas someday. Gunner When the key is first turned on, the pump is only run a couple of seconds to be sure the fuel rail is up to pressure. The pump isn't allowed to run continuously unless the engine is actually running or in the process of being cranked. It's a safety thing, you don't want the pump running alone... if allowed to do so, it could pump the tank contents out through a ruptured fuel line at an accident site. It happened more than a few times back in the early days of electric fuel pumps. Ah! Thanks! So If the schrader valve is pressed and held down...then the ignition turned on and off repeatedly...it should bleed? Gunner Just put in a gallon or two of fuel, do the switch cycle dance and your back in business. There is no need to mess with the fuel service port. The fuel pressure regulator returns trapped air back to the tank. If your going to do a lot of them, like bleeding fuel systems on the assembly line, then yea, the service port/scan tool thing is the way to go. In the real world, most dealers & shops don't mess with the service port for just bleeding fuel systems... they just cycle the switch. Erik |
Toyota gas pedal
Gunner Asch wrote:
snip I have some black tipped 30'06 that probably would work w/ one shot. David Almost true. Get an old engine some time and shoot up half a box of it..and check how little damage you actually did. Ive done it a number of times..and its damned surprising how little damage you actually do. And Ive done it with a running engine about half of those times. This is what I like about Gunner. Ask something like this, and he's the guy who speaks from experience :-). Chris |
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On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:32:47 +0000, Christopher Tidy
wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: snip I have some black tipped 30'06 that probably would work w/ one shot. David Almost true. Get an old engine some time and shoot up half a box of it..and check how little damage you actually did. Ive done it a number of times..and its damned surprising how little damage you actually do. And Ive done it with a running engine about half of those times. This is what I like about Gunner. Ask something like this, and he's the guy who speaks from experience :-). Chris Well...if it has something to do with beautiful women, dogs, cats and firearms....shrug..Its may well be in my experience. If its about economics, tatting yarn, little league, golf, bowling..its probably not in my experience. While Im not old yet...yet...I have experienced some portions of life with a great deal of gusto and enthusiasm. I tend to not only wonder..but to Go and See. I wanted to know how morticians did their grim work. So I went to one I knew and asked. And watched several procedures. Same with autopseys, slaughter houses, babies being born, how fork life wheels are reconditioned and so forth and so on. Others...not so much. No idea how they make pool table felt. Probably some sort of weaving process. Shrug. Its of no interest to me, yet people get rich running weaving factories. Artifical insemination of turkeys. No intention of every viewing the proceedure. Not interested. Its a very very big world out there..with an insurmontable number of things of interest for a man with an open mind..such as myself. G And an equally insurmountable number of things of disinterest. Womans cosmetics? Dont care, dont have a clue about them. No interest. Which is just one of a tremendous number of things that make me different from say...Leftwingers. They..and their males, all depend on wearing warpaint and bondo to keep their smiles in place. Shrug. But then..they are so small minded that one can toss a make up kit to a group of Leftwing males..and they will keep themselves occupied for many hours trying it all on. G Gunner Gunner "Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout" Unknown Usnet Poster Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls. Keyton |
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On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:32:47 +0000, Christopher Tidy
wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: snip I have some black tipped 30'06 that probably would work w/ one shot. David Almost true. Get an old engine some time and shoot up half a box of it..and check how little damage you actually did. Ive done it a number of times..and its damned surprising how little damage you actually do. And Ive done it with a running engine about half of those times. This is what I like about Gunner. Ask something like this, and he's the guy who speaks from experience :-). Chris Well...if it has something to do with beautiful women, dogs, cats and firearms....shrug..Its may well be in my experience. If its about economics, tatting yarn, little league, golf, bowling..its probably not in my experience. While Im not old yet...yet...I have experienced some portions of life with a great deal of gusto and enthusiasm. I tend to not only wonder..but to Go and See. I wanted to know how morticians did their grim work. So I went to one I knew and asked. And watched several procedures. Same with autopseys, slaughter houses, babies being born, how fork life wheels are reconditioned and so forth and so on. Others...not so much. No idea how they make pool table felt. Probably some sort of weaving process. Shrug. Its of no interest to me, yet people get rich running weaving factories. Artifical insemination of turkeys. No intention of every viewing the proceedure. Not interested. Its a very very big world out there..with an insurmontable number of things of interest for a man with an open mind..such as myself. G And an equally insurmountable number of things of disinterest. Womans cosmetics? Dont care, dont have a clue about them. No interest. Which is just one of a tremendous number of things that make me different from say...Leftwingers. They..and their males, all depend on wearing warpaint and bondo to keep their smiles in place. Shrug. But then..they are so small minded that one can toss a make up kit to a group of Leftwing males..and they will keep themselves occupied for many hours trying it all on. G Gunner Gunner "Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout" Unknown Usnet Poster Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls. Keyton |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
Well...if it has something to do with beautiful women, dogs, cats and firearms....shrug..Its may well be in my experience. If its about economics, tatting yarn, little league, golf, bowling..its probably not in my experience. While Im not old yet...yet...I have experienced some portions of life with a great deal of gusto and enthusiasm. I tend to not only wonder..but to Go and See. I wanted to know how morticians did their grim work. So I went to one I knew and asked. And watched several procedures. Same with autopseys, slaughter houses, babies being born, how fork life wheels are reconditioned and so forth and so on. Others...not so much. No idea how they make pool table felt. Probably some sort of weaving process. Shrug. Its of no interest to me, yet people get rich running weaving factories. Artifical insemination of turkeys. No intention of every viewing the proceedure. Not interested. Its a very very big world out there..with an insurmontable number of things of interest for a man with an open mind..such as myself. G And an equally insurmountable number of things of disinterest. Womans cosmetics? Dont care, dont have a clue about them. No interest. Which is just one of a tremendous number of things that make me different from say...Leftwingers. They..and their males, all depend on wearing warpaint and bondo to keep their smiles in place. Shrug. But then..they are so small minded that one can toss a make up kit to a group of Leftwing males..and they will keep themselves occupied for many hours trying it all on. Like it. So if you had the option to meet either Obama or Osama for one hour, which would you pick? Maybe you can bring your gun, I'm not sure. Chris |
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"Bill McKee" writes:
In gear, and with the brakes applied, the engine turned off as soon as I pushed the button on the wifes Venza today. Admitted I was not driving 100 miles an hour, was stopped in the Costco parking lot. So if the guy had hit the start stop button while trying to brake the car, the engine would of stopped, at least on a new Venza. But the poor ******* was driving a Lexus E350. -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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"David Lesher" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" writes: In gear, and with the brakes applied, the engine turned off as soon as I pushed the button on the wifes Venza today. Admitted I was not driving 100 miles an hour, was stopped in the Costco parking lot. So if the guy had hit the start stop button while trying to brake the car, the engine would of stopped, at least on a new Venza. But the poor ******* was driving a Lexus E350. Same manufacturer. So most likely the same electronics. Almost the same engine. |
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