The issue is this :

1. No document was ever produced.
Not even to a news person nor to anyone.
2. During the campaign he was pressed again and again - never to see anything.
3. Kept the press and everyone away from Mom.
4. The federal court just decided not to hear the case in Arizona.
The document was brought in from Kenya. Father, mother and baby name.

I've printed the doc and no longer have it so it seems. It wasn't that
important for me to have.

Open your mind. Someone 'says' he is certified doesn't mean it is factual.
Believe what you want. You will from what I have seen.
Martin

Iarnrod wrote:
On Nov 23, 9:13 pm, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote:
I don't think Hawaii certified him.

It doesn't matter what you "think." It matters what's true. And what's
true is that Hawaii did in fact certify his natural born citizenship
through his birth certificate. Case closed.

The DNC failed in their job big time.

A tually it did no such thing. It succeeded.

This should have
been clean and above board before he entered.

It was, of course. This is not even open to dispute. It's been
settled.


I've seen the Africa document.

No you haven't. You're lying. You've seen no such thing.

He has relatives withholding
and sealing documents in Kenya.

No he doesn't, actually. Not in dispute. You're just one more lying
repuglitard.

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:55:23 -0600, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote:

The issue is this :

1. No document was ever produced.
Not even to a news person nor to anyone.
2. During the campaign he was pressed again and again - never to see anything.

Birth certificates are not public records in Hawaii and may only be released
to the person involved or others with a legal interest (effectively family,
where appropriate). If the document had been produced to a news reporter, then
one would expect the producer to be fired at the least and possibly prosecuted
for the act.

Get over it. and stop trying to destroy your own democracy. With folks like
you about, your nations enemies don't need to do any work for themselves :-|


Mark Rand
RTFM

Mark Rand wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:55:23 -0600, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote:

The issue is this :

1. No document was ever produced.
Not even to a news person nor to anyone.
2. During the campaign he was pressed again and again - never to see anything.

Birth certificates are not public records in Hawaii and may only be released
to the person involved or others with a legal interest (effectively family,
where appropriate). If the document had been produced to a news reporter, then
one would expect the producer to be fired at the least and possibly prosecuted
for the act.

Get over it. and stop trying to destroy your own democracy. With folks like
you about, your nations enemies don't need to do any work for themselves :-|

Documents exist which would end this discussion immediately:

The original BC in Hawaii
Passports used by Obama when he traveled abroad as a youth
College registration documents

The administration has refused to make any of it public.

Any reasonable person would conclude that they must have something to hide.

I'm just sayin'

"RBnDFW" wrote in message
...
Mark Rand wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:55:23 -0600, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote:

The issue is this :

1. No document was ever produced.
Not even to a news person nor to anyone.
2. During the campaign he was pressed again and again - never to see
anything.

Birth certificates are not public records in Hawaii and may only be
released
to the person involved or others with a legal interest (effectively
family,
where appropriate). If the document had been produced to a news reporter,
then
one would expect the producer to be fired at the least and possibly
prosecuted
for the act.

Get over it. and stop trying to destroy your own democracy. With folks
like
you about, your nations enemies don't need to do any work for themselves
:-|

Documents exist which would end this discussion immediately:

No they wouldn't. Once they smelled blood and realized that they can get the
president to react to their lunacy, the wackos would produce a list of fifty
other demands.


The original BC in Hawaii
Passports used by Obama when he traveled abroad as a youth
College registration documents

The administration has refused to make any of it public.

Any reasonable person would conclude that they must have something to
hide.

No, any reasonable person would shrug and say that staying clear of birthers
is good policy, like staying out of ghettos on a Saturday night.

The reasonable people have already weighed in. They've spoken at the ballot
box.


I'm just sayin'

If it occupies your imagination, then more power to you. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:00:53 +0000 (UTC), (Edward
A. Falk) wrote:

In article ,
Ed Huntress wrote:

Documents exist which would end this discussion immediately:

No they wouldn't. Once they smelled blood and realized that they can get the
president to react to their lunacy, the wackos would produce a list of fifty
other demands.

As demonstrated by the fact that Obama's official birth cert *was*
released, and the whackos immediately started insisting that Obama
produce the *other* birth cert. At this point, any reasonable
person would recognize a lost cause when they saw it and give
up trying to appease the nut jobs.

Either that, or the White House is biding their time, waiting to see
just how many Republicans will jump on the birther bandwagon and *then*
release the other birth cert., to maximize the humiliation.


You realize you just refuted yourself...right?

But then...thats typical of the average Useful Idiot on the Left.

G

Way to go Ace...way to go.

But..shrug..its expected from you leftards

Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:00:53 +0000 (UTC), (Edward
A. Falk) wrote:

In article ,
Ed Huntress wrote:

Documents exist which would end this discussion immediately:

No they wouldn't. Once they smelled blood and realized that they can get
the
president to react to their lunacy, the wackos would produce a list of
fifty
other demands.

As demonstrated by the fact that Obama's official birth cert *was*
released, and the whackos immediately started insisting that Obama
produce the *other* birth cert. At this point, any reasonable
person would recognize a lost cause when they saw it and give
up trying to appease the nut jobs.

Either that, or the White House is biding their time, waiting to see
just how many Republicans will jump on the birther bandwagon and *then*
release the other birth cert., to maximize the humiliation.


You realize you just refuted yourself...right?

But then...thats typical of the average Useful Idiot on the Left.

G

Way to go Ace...way to go.

But..shrug..its expected from you leftards

I don't see where Ed Falk is contradicting himself.

--
Ed Huntress

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:12:48 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:00:53 +0000 (UTC), (Edward
A. Falk) wrote:
In article , Ed Huntress
wrote:

Documents exist which would end this discussion immediately:

No they wouldn't. Once they smelled blood and realized that they can
get the
president to react to their lunacy, the wackos would produce a list of
fifty
other demands.

As demonstrated by the fact that Obama's official birth cert *was*
released, and the whackos immediately started insisting that Obama
produce the *other* birth cert. At this point, any reasonable person
would recognize a lost cause when they saw it and give up trying to
appease the nut jobs.

Either that, or the White House is biding their time, waiting to see
just how many Republicans will jump on the birther bandwagon and *then*
release the other birth cert., to maximize the humiliation.

You realize you just refuted yourself...right?

But then...thats typical of the average Useful Idiot on the Left.

G

Way to go Ace...way to go.

But..shrug..its expected from you leftards

I don't see where Ed Falk is contradicting himself.

Of course not. You're a liberal, and can't see _anything_ that contradicts
your socialistic dogma.

Hope This Helps!
Rich

"Richard the Dreaded Libertarian" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:12:48 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:00:53 +0000 (UTC), (Edward
A. Falk) wrote:
In article , Ed Huntress
wrote:

Documents exist which would end this discussion immediately:

No they wouldn't. Once they smelled blood and realized that they can
get the
president to react to their lunacy, the wackos would produce a list of
fifty
other demands.

As demonstrated by the fact that Obama's official birth cert *was*
released, and the whackos immediately started insisting that Obama
produce the *other* birth cert. At this point, any reasonable person
would recognize a lost cause when they saw it and give up trying to
appease the nut jobs.

Either that, or the White House is biding their time, waiting to see
just how many Republicans will jump on the birther bandwagon and *then*
release the other birth cert., to maximize the humiliation.

You realize you just refuted yourself...right?

But then...thats typical of the average Useful Idiot on the Left.

G

Way to go Ace...way to go.

But..shrug..its expected from you leftards

I don't see where Ed Falk is contradicting himself.

Of course not. You're a liberal, and can't see _anything_ that contradicts
your socialistic dogma.

If I'm a liberal, then you're an idiot. Hmmm...maybe I should check my party
registration. g

There's no contradiction there, Rich. The contradiction is between your
ears. The form that Obama released was official. The "long form" is
official, too. I have both types myself.

--
Ed Huntress