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Seems an old idea is reborn.
Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg defended a city program to send homeless families out of New York on planes, trains and buses on Wednesday. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-for-homeless/ Best Regards Tom. |
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:08:15 -0700, the infamous "azotic"
scrawled the following: Seems an old idea is reborn. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg defended a city program to send homeless families out of New York on planes, trains and buses on Wednesday. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-for-homeless/ Probably to the tune of "Bloomberg Cures Homelessness in NYC", huh? -- A great preservative against angry and mutinous thoughts, and all impatience and quarreling, is to have some great business and interest in your mind, which, like a sponge shall suck up your attention and keep you from brooding over what displeases you. -- Joseph Rickaby |
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"azotic" wrote in message ... Seems an old idea is reborn. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg defended a city program to send homeless families out of New York on planes, trains and buses on Wednesday. I've seen some of this first hand just up thruway in Albany when the former NYC residents get off the bus and decide its time for a meal. So they call 911 and get a ride to the hospital, a meal, a caseworker and a shelter referral. I've seen people from all over Fl Ga Tn Nj Sc Nc Tx not to mention Ny city, some of them even have a note pad with instructions #1 call Ems for whatever reason ( I'm sick,I have a rash, I ran out of my meds , ::Personal fav was "my leg fell asleep on the bus ride and now its all tingles"::) #2 when you get to the hospital tell them your homeless and ask for a social worker. In 17 yrs I've only seen 1 Homeless family take this approach, the rest are usually men 30-50 a few are women, most appear to be physically fit enough to work @ something but take this approach for one reason or another.A good number have some form of mental illness and some just want a change of scenery and heard about NYS's generous social service benefits. The stories vary but the sure thing is that they keep coming. Andrew |
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"azotic" wrote:
Seems an old idea is reborn. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg defended a city program to send homeless families out of New York on planes, trains and buses on Wednesday. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-for-homeless/ So how is Bloomberg going to take it when the target cities send their homeless to NYC? Wes |
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"Wes" wrote in message ... "azotic" wrote: Seems an old idea is reborn. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg defended a city program to send homeless families out of New York on planes, trains and buses on Wednesday. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-for-homeless/ So how is Bloomberg going to take it when the target cities send their homeless to NYC? Wes If they have families or friends who will take them in and support them in New York, there's no problem. That's how NYC's plan works, in the other direction. Your question suggests that maybe you don't understand how it works, Wes. Did you read it? -- Ed Huntress |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"Wes" wrote in message ... "azotic" wrote: Seems an old idea is reborn. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg defended a city program to send homeless families out of New York on planes, trains and buses on Wednesday. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-for-homeless/ So how is Bloomberg going to take it when the target cities send their homeless to NYC? Wes If they have families or friends who will take them in and support them in New York, there's no problem. That's how NYC's plan works, in the other direction. Your question suggests that maybe you don't understand how it works, Wes. Did you read it? -- Ed Huntress I just reread it, and I don't see anything in the article about support for the transported at their destinations. “I don’t know, when they get to the other places, whether they find jobs,” Mr. Bloomberg said. “It may be an easier place for them. If we don’t — we either have two choices. We can do this program or pay an enormous amount of money daily to provide housing.” Hizzoner da mayor doesn't seem concerned as long as they leave. David |
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"David R.Birch" wrote in message ... Ed Huntress wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... "azotic" wrote: Seems an old idea is reborn. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg defended a city program to send homeless families out of New York on planes, trains and buses on Wednesday. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-for-homeless/ So how is Bloomberg going to take it when the target cities send their homeless to NYC? Wes If they have families or friends who will take them in and support them in New York, there's no problem. That's how NYC's plan works, in the other direction. Your question suggests that maybe you don't understand how it works, Wes. Did you read it? -- Ed Huntress I just reread it, and I don't see anything in the article about support for the transported at their destinations. “I don’t know, when they get to the other places, whether they find jobs,” Mr. Bloomberg said. “It may be an easier place for them. If we don’t — we either have two choices. We can do this program or pay an enormous amount of money daily to provide housing.” Hizzoner da mayor doesn't seem concerned as long as they leave. David Yeah, there is a lot more to how it will be implemented. He gave separate interviews on it today. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Jul 30, 9:19*pm, "David R.Birch" wrote:
Ed Huntress wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... "azotic" wrote: Seems an old idea is reborn. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg defended a city program to send homeless families out of New York on planes, trains and buses on Wednesday. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...nds-one-way-ti.... So how is Bloomberg going to take it when the target cities send their homeless to NYC? Wes If they have families or friends who will take them in and support them in New York, there's no problem. That's how NYC's plan works, in the other direction. Your question suggests that maybe you don't understand how it works, Wes. Did you read it? -- Ed Huntress I just reread it, and I don't see anything in the article about support for the transported at their destinations. “I don’t know, when they get to the other places, whether they find jobs,” Mr. Bloomberg said. “It may be an easier place for them. If we don’t — we either have two choices. We can do this program or pay an enormous amount of money daily to provide housing.” Hizzoner da mayor doesn't seem concerned as long as they leave. David Actually, there was another article linked from this one that explains it: http://tinyurl.com/m9wuvp http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/ny...eway.html?_r=1 Still, it reminds me, rather unpleasantly, of the time I was walking down the street in NY with my (then) business partner. We passed an obviously homeless man, and John said, "These homeless people - They ought to just get rid of them." That incident was just another nail in the coffin of our partnership. Another thing this reminds me of (though it's not really the same - just smells that way at first) is that my wife used to work in the psychiatric ER at Jersey City Medical Center. They would often get walk-ins (more like wander-ins) who had been discharged from a NY hospital and put on the PATH train to Jersey City, NJ. |
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:19:06 -0500, the infamous "David R.Birch"
scrawled the following: Ed Huntress wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... "azotic" wrote: Seems an old idea is reborn. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg defended a city program to send homeless families out of New York on planes, trains and buses on Wednesday. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-for-homeless/ So how is Bloomberg going to take it when the target cities send their homeless to NYC? Wes If they have families or friends who will take them in and support them in New York, there's no problem. That's how NYC's plan works, in the other direction. Your question suggests that maybe you don't understand how it works, Wes. Did you read it? -- Ed Huntress I just reread it, and I don't see anything in the article about support for the transported at their destinations. “I don’t know, when they get to the other places, whether they find jobs,” Mr. Bloomberg said. “It may be an easier place for them. If we don’t — we either have two choices. We can do this program or pay an enormous amount of money daily to provide housing.” Hizzoner da mayor doesn't seem concerned as long as they leave. FWIW, let NYC go into meltdown. Send bread so they can eat the homeless (and the pigeons. ;) -- A great preservative against angry and mutinous thoughts, and all impatience and quarreling, is to have some great business and interest in your mind, which, like a sponge shall suck up your attention and keep you from brooding over what displeases you. -- Joseph Rickaby |
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:40:13 -0400, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following: Yeah, there is a lot more to how it will be implemented. He gave separate interviews on it today. The homeless have an idea as to how to fight back, but they haven't settled on the proper way to mount it yet. See attached pic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GA..._VW_Type_1.jpg -- A great preservative against angry and mutinous thoughts, and all impatience and quarreling, is to have some great business and interest in your mind, which, like a sponge shall suck up your attention and keep you from brooding over what displeases you. -- Joseph Rickaby |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote:
If they have families or friends who will take them in and support them in New York, there's no problem. That's how NYC's plan works, in the other direction. Your question suggests that maybe you don't understand how it works, Wes. Did you read it? I've read it. What makes you think the target cities are going to operate the same way? Wes |
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"Wes" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote: If they have families or friends who will take them in and support them in New York, there's no problem. That's how NYC's plan works, in the other direction. Your question suggests that maybe you don't understand how it works, Wes. Did you read it? I've read it. What makes you think the target cities are going to operate the same way? Wes I don't. I was reacting to your question, "So how is Bloomberg going to take it when the target cities send their homeless to NYC?" -- Ed Huntress |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Wes" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote: If they have families or friends who will take them in and support them in New York, there's no problem. That's how NYC's plan works, in the other direction. Your question suggests that maybe you don't understand how it works, Wes. Did you read it? I've read it. What makes you think the target cities are going to operate the same way? Wes I don't. I was reacting to your question, "So how is Bloomberg going to take it when the target cities send their homeless to NYC?" -- Ed Huntress Seems the folks in florida are already ****ed at bloomberg. http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/new...bloomberg.html Now if florida wants to save some money they could simply give 99% of thier prison inmates an early release along with a one way bus ticket to NYC. How about Newark offering $1000 and a free gun to anyone willing to hop on a bus to NYC. Bloomberg may have started a ****ing match he cant win. Best Regards Tom. |
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"azotic" wrote:
Now if florida wants to save some money they could simply give 99% of thier prison inmates an early release along with a one way bus ticket to NYC. That is one of the ways I see as a response. Early release, terms of parole to stay out of the state and ticket to NYC. Payback is a b*tch. Wes |
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"azotic" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Wes" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote: If they have families or friends who will take them in and support them in New York, there's no problem. That's how NYC's plan works, in the other direction. Your question suggests that maybe you don't understand how it works, Wes. Did you read it? I've read it. What makes you think the target cities are going to operate the same way? Wes I don't. I was reacting to your question, "So how is Bloomberg going to take it when the target cities send their homeless to NYC?" -- Ed Huntress Seems the folks in florida are already ****ed at bloomberg. http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/new...bloomberg.html The can stick it where the sun don't shine. The deep south is where those people came from in the first place. As the article says, "Greyhound Justice," or a free bus ticket to NYC, is exactly the way they handled it to begin with. Now if florida wants to save some money they could simply give 99% of thier prison inmates an early release along with a one way bus ticket to NYC. How about Newark offering $1000 and a free gun to anyone willing to hop on a bus to NYC. Bloomberg may have started a ****ing match he cant win. All the program does is send them back to their families, in the US or elsewhere, who have to agree to provide them with a home. I doubt if the numbers will be big under this program. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:05:51 -0700, the infamous "azotic"
scrawled the following: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Wes" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote: If they have families or friends who will take them in and support them in New York, there's no problem. That's how NYC's plan works, in the other direction. Your question suggests that maybe you don't understand how it works, Wes. Did you read it? I've read it. What makes you think the target cities are going to operate the same way? Wes I don't. I was reacting to your question, "So how is Bloomberg going to take it when the target cities send their homeless to NYC?" -- Ed Huntress Seems the folks in florida are already ****ed at bloomberg. http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/new...bloomberg.html Now if florida wants to save some money they could simply give 99% of thier prison inmates an early release along with a one way bus ticket to NYC. How about Newark offering $1000 and a free gun to anyone willing to hop on a bus to NYC. Bwahahahahaha! P.S: You owe me a new keyboard and monitor, Tom. Bloomberg may have started a ****ing match he cant win. I seriously hope someone sends that post to Hizzonnor Bloomberg. He'd love it! bseg Then again, he could personally afford to fight back, even if he couldn't get NYC coffers to back him. shrug -- A great preservative against angry and mutinous thoughts, and all impatience and quarreling, is to have some great business and interest in your mind, which, like a sponge shall suck up your attention and keep you from brooding over what displeases you. -- Joseph Rickaby |
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"Wes" wrote in message ... "azotic" wrote: Now if florida wants to save some money they could simply give 99% of thier prison inmates an early release along with a one way bus ticket to NYC. That is one of the ways I see as a response. Early release, terms of parole to stay out of the state and ticket to NYC. Payback is a b*tch. This IS the payback. It sounds to me like Bloomburg has decided that NY is going to stop being the doormat. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:45:51 -0400, the infamous "Ed Huntress"
scrawled the following: "azotic" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Wes" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote: If they have families or friends who will take them in and support them in New York, there's no problem. That's how NYC's plan works, in the other direction. Your question suggests that maybe you don't understand how it works, Wes. Did you read it? I've read it. What makes you think the target cities are going to operate the same way? Wes I don't. I was reacting to your question, "So how is Bloomberg going to take it when the target cities send their homeless to NYC?" -- Ed Huntress Seems the folks in florida are already ****ed at bloomberg. http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/new...bloomberg.html The can stick it where the sun don't shine. The deep south is where those people came from in the first place. As the article says, "Greyhound Justice," or a free bus ticket to NYC, is exactly the way they handled it to begin with. So we're facing another War of Northern Aggression, are we? ;) -- A great preservative against angry and mutinous thoughts, and all impatience and quarreling, is to have some great business and interest in your mind, which, like a sponge shall suck up your attention and keep you from brooding over what displeases you. -- Joseph Rickaby |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"Wes" wrote in message ... "azotic" wrote: Now if florida wants to save some money they could simply give 99% of thier prison inmates an early release along with a one way bus ticket to NYC. That is one of the ways I see as a response. Early release, terms of parole to stay out of the state and ticket to NYC. Payback is a b*tch. This IS the payback. It sounds to me like Bloomburg has decided that NY is going to stop being the doormat. If I were penniless and homeless, NYC is probably the last place in the country I'd choose to be. Florida, on the other hand.... |
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"RBnDFW" wrote in message ... Ed Huntress wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... "azotic" wrote: Now if florida wants to save some money they could simply give 99% of thier prison inmates an early release along with a one way bus ticket to NYC. That is one of the ways I see as a response. Early release, terms of parole to stay out of the state and ticket to NYC. Payback is a b*tch. This IS the payback. It sounds to me like Bloomburg has decided that NY is going to stop being the doormat. If I were penniless and homeless, NYC is probably the last place in the country I'd choose to be. That's probably because you haven't been penniless and homeless. It's a magnet, as it always has been, because it has some of the best social services in the country. That's the dilemma. NYC has always been a magnet that sucks in the people who have been cast off by other parts of the country. So now it's costing them, at a time when no city can afford it. Florida, on the other hand.... ....will let you die in the streets. It sucks in a big way, if you're homeless. Now, if you're good at catching fish and stealing oranges, and you don't mind sleeping with the mosquitoes, it could be a heck of a good camping trip. d8-) But if you're good at those things, you're probably not homeless and destitute. Homeless maybe, but not destitute. -- Ed Huntress |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "RBnDFW" wrote in message ... Ed Huntress wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... "azotic" wrote: Now if florida wants to save some money they could simply give 99% of thier prison inmates an early release along with a one way bus ticket to NYC. That is one of the ways I see as a response. Early release, terms of parole to stay out of the state and ticket to NYC. Payback is a b*tch. This IS the payback. It sounds to me like Bloomburg has decided that NY is going to stop being the doormat. If I were penniless and homeless, NYC is probably the last place in the country I'd choose to be. That's probably because you haven't been penniless and homeless. It's a magnet, as it always has been, because it has some of the best social services in the country. That's the dilemma. NYC has always been a magnet that sucks in the people who have been cast off by other parts of the country. So now it's costing them, at a time when no city can afford it. My thoughts exactly. |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote:
That's the dilemma. NYC has always been a magnet that sucks in the people who have been cast off by other parts of the country. So now it's costing them, at a time when no city can afford it. Back in the late seventies just prior to discharge, a group of us short timers were assembled to listen to a lady from the South Carolina unemployment office who showed us a chart of what the various states paid in unemployment. The northern states paid a lot more than South Carolina. Wes |
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"Wes" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote: That's the dilemma. NYC has always been a magnet that sucks in the people who have been cast off by other parts of the country. So now it's costing them, at a time when no city can afford it. Back in the late seventies just prior to discharge, a group of us short timers were assembled to listen to a lady from the South Carolina unemployment office who showed us a chart of what the various states paid in unemployment. The northern states paid a lot more than South Carolina. Wes ?? I'm not sure what that means. Was she talking about totals, or per-capita? Did she take out the dirt farmers? Did she take out the people who had given up and were living on 'possum bellies and poke salad? Did she explain how long the period of unemployment compensation lasted in S.C., versus those "northern states"? Did you get any sense that she was an objective reporter, just giving you the facts, or that her salary was paid by the state of South Carolina, and that she was trying to encourage you to move there, now that you had developed vital skills and a tolerance for hardship required to live in a low-income state ($5240 disposable income per capita in S.C., in 1978, versus $8761 in CT, for example)? Do you think she felt that her audience was sophisticated enough, skeptical enough, and skilled enough to research and analyze what she was saying? Or was it a Dixie snow job? -- Ed Huntress |
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"John R. Carroll" wrote in message ... Ed Huntress wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote: That's the dilemma. NYC has always been a magnet that sucks in the people who have been cast off by other parts of the country. So now it's costing them, at a time when no city can afford it. Back in the late seventies just prior to discharge, a group of us short timers were assembled to listen to a lady from the South Carolina unemployment office who showed us a chart of what the various states paid in unemployment. The northern states paid a lot more than South Carolina. Wes ?? I'm not sure what that means. Was she talking about totals, or per-capita? Did she take out the dirt farmers? Did she take out the people who had given up and were living on 'possum bellies and poke salad? Did she explain how long the period of unemployment compensation lasted in S.C., versus those "northern states"? Did you get any sense that she was an objective reporter, just giving you the facts, or that her salary was paid by the state of South Carolina, and that she was trying to encourage you to move there, now that you had developed vital skills and a tolerance for hardship required to live in a low-income state ($5240 disposable income per capita in S.C., in 1978, versus $8761 in CT, for example)? Do you think she felt that her audience was sophisticated enough, skeptical enough, and skilled enough to research and analyze what she was saying? Or was it a Dixie snow job? She was pointing out that an unemployed ex-Marine would be a lot better off not cluttering up the rolls of the unemployed in SC. -- John R. Carroll Yeah, you could read that either way, but the circumstances suggest she thought she was making S.C. sound more attractive. However, even though the late '70s were years of big-time growth in the sun belt, the unemployment rate in S.C. that year was higher than that of CT. I didn't check the other northern states but there definitely was nothing exceptional about S.C.'s rate (around 5.5%, versus roughly 5.2% for CT). So a lower unemployment compensation rate just suggests they pay less, or they pay for a shorter time. -- Ed Huntress |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"Wes" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote: That's the dilemma. NYC has always been a magnet that sucks in the people who have been cast off by other parts of the country. So now it's costing them, at a time when no city can afford it. Back in the late seventies just prior to discharge, a group of us short timers were assembled to listen to a lady from the South Carolina unemployment office who showed us a chart of what the various states paid in unemployment. The northern states paid a lot more than South Carolina. Wes ?? I'm not sure what that means. Was she talking about totals, or per-capita? Did she take out the dirt farmers? Did she take out the people who had given up and were living on 'possum bellies and poke salad? Did she explain how long the period of unemployment compensation lasted in S.C., versus those "northern states"? Did you get any sense that she was an objective reporter, just giving you the facts, or that her salary was paid by the state of South Carolina, and that she was trying to encourage you to move there, now that you had developed vital skills and a tolerance for hardship required to live in a low-income state ($5240 disposable income per capita in S.C., in 1978, versus $8761 in CT, for example)? Do you think she felt that her audience was sophisticated enough, skeptical enough, and skilled enough to research and analyze what she was saying? Or was it a Dixie snow job? She was pointing out that an unemployed ex-Marine would be a lot better off not cluttering up the rolls of the unemployed in SC. -- John R. Carroll |
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"John R. Carroll" wrote:
She was pointing out that an unemployed ex-Marine would be a lot better off not cluttering up the rolls of the unemployed in SC. That was my take on it John. It also might have been a way to encourage 'damn yankees' to go home. ;) What I don't understand though is unemployment benefits for discharged military is paid for by the US government. Something I learned to my chagrin back in Michigan when some budget battle in Congress left whatever fund that would pay me unfunded. 12 weeks of showing up 30 miles away at the closest unemployment office to not get paid every two weeks. Wes |
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Wes wrote: "John R. Carroll" wrote: She was pointing out that an unemployed ex-Marine would be a lot better off not cluttering up the rolls of the unemployed in SC. That was my take on it John. It also might have been a way to encourage 'damn yankees' to go home. ;) The difference between a yankee and a damnyankee? The yankee goes home. |
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