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"Don Young" wrote in message webinternetservicesprovideinc... "Bill Noble" wrote in message ... " I''m still searching all over for some way to make the 4 ft long curl on the end of some .040 stainless to form a hood hinge for my 36 cadillac - it puzzles me to no end that this thing could be made in 1936 and no one I've contacted has a clue how to make it today - looks like either a roll mill or hammer mill job to me - no this is not a hinge with a pin, it is a typical interlocking spiral car hood hinge. any clues? Cad Coupe? Boss of mine in high school had one of the 2 1936 Cad coupes in the SF Bay area. it's a series 6019 (look on www.wbnoble.com, click on hobbies, then cars) - some day I'll finish it. It is the smallest of the V-8s of that year, 4 doors, dual side mounts, should be nice if I ever get it finished. by the way, I"ve posted images and a diagram of the part I need to the drop box using the file name "36-cad-hinge-*" they should show up "real soon now" here's the links to the images in the dropbox The file 36-cad-hinge-3.JPG has been added to the Drop Box as "36-cad-hinge-3.JPG". http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/36-cad-hinge-3.JPG The file 36-cad-hinge-drawing.jpg has been added to the Drop Box as "36-cad-hinge-drawing.jpg". http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/...ge-drawing.jpg The file 36-cad-hinge-1.jpg has been added to the Drop Box as "36-cad-hinge-1.jpg". http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/36-cad-hinge-1.jpg The file 36-cad-hinge-2.jpg has been DEFERRED for manual handling as "36-cad-hinge-2.jpg-1". It was deferred because: because it is too small (min size = 5000) The file 36-cad-hinge.txt has been added to the Drop Box as "36-cad-hinge.txt". http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/36-cad-hinge.txt It looks to me like you may need an inside pattern and figure out how to roll the strip around it. I have seen that type of hinge but never thought about how it was made. Wonder if it could be drawn thru a suitably shaped tapered die, with maybe some preliminary forming? Seems like a good repro part to sell if you can figure it out reasonably. Don Young Believe me, I've tried talking to shops, I contacted Roper Whitney, I contacted some sheet metal shops that said they "made anything" - so far no luck - drawing through dies is one way, some kind of press brake to start it, and then a shape hammered onto the end to continue the roll might work, a roll mill might work Someone must know how to make these - this is ridiculous - even Pexto didn't have much to say that was helpful |
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Wes wrote:
Gerald Miller wrote: When I worked on Senior Son's '68 Firebird 6, I used a flat plate with three holes to match the Puller bolt pattern with a chain drilled opening for the retainer bolt. The end of the plate rested against the frame. this was the only way I could see to hold the crank from turning other than dropping the pan or using rope in a cylinder. You take a plug out, insert a bunch of nylon rope into the cylinder and then torque away. Make sure to leave the tail of rope out. :) Wes Better be sure it's on the compression stroke too , or you're likely to bend a valve or three . -- Snag every answer leads to another question |
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"Todd Rich" wrote in message ... SteveB wrote: "Todd Rich" wrote I've been making these: http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u.../shop/dam3.png What are those? Believe it or not, seam-rippers. As in sewing implements. Made out of pattern welded (damascus) steel. I made the damascus as well grinding it to shape when done. Used this hammer that I built to do it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkUFgoU_LO0 Thanks. They look like gutting knives. Wasn't sure. Steve |
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"Terry Coombs" wrote:
Better be sure it's on the compression stroke too , or you're likely to bend a valve or three . Absolutely, I thought I sent a followup post when I realized I left the detail out. Thanks for the fix up! Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:27:11 -0400, Wes wrote:
"SteveB" wrote: What's everyone up to? So much damn political talk going on, you can't hear the jaybirds. Aligned a turret, replaced bearings in an abrasive saw, built a steel cabinet to fit test masters, put a remote handle and trigger on a roofing stapler, ... I still have snow on the ground. Wes Had a 3 artery replumbing job in late January, 6 days later was crawling on machines fixing controls. Worked on and off while recovering, then had a stroke 15 days ago. Was in the hospital for 6 days, then came out and made 5 service calls on machinery. Im working on parting down 20 odd computers today, clearing the top of the welding table. Ill be going through about 10 boxes of used computer equipment over the weekend, then either storing or giving the unwanted stuff away. Nothing much scheduled for this coming week, so will likely be moving some machinery around in preperation for setting up my diAcro metal bender, which I machined new bending flanges, from 1"-6", over the past few months. Then Ill be doing some gunsmithing. Building a new scope mount for a 1911 clone. Just taking things easy as I heal up. The body is healing..the brain is fine..the brain/mouth interface needs some work. Gunner "Human nature is bad. Good is a human product* A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual and moral principles." —Sun Tzu * |
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On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:20:23 -0500, Terry
wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:52:20 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: I bought two gates at a yard sale that I'm going to mount in the garden. Got a great old office chair that needs a little MIG welding to stabilize the base. I went through a little 1.2 hp Gamefisher motor I got with my used fishing boat. I'm getting some steel ready to make window awnings, and getting the sewing machine tuned up. What's everyone up to? So much damn political talk going on, you can't hear the jaybirds. Steve Hi Steve, I bit the bullet and bought a cheap stick/TIG welder/plasma cutter and am learning to weld. Well...that may be an exaggeration. I'm learning to make very bad seams, that's what I'm doing. Also bought nomex coveralls to wear while welding. Only partly for fire safety. When I bought a VW bus many years ago, my friend Jeff gave me a pair of coveralls and insisted that I wear them while working on the bus. It seems that a pair of dirty coveralls intimidates the vehicle into thinking that a proper mechanic is working on it. I'm using the same kind of logic to improve the welds. It's not working... Best -- Terry Chuckle.... What part are you having problems with, tig welding? Im sure we can help somewhere..... Gunner "Human nature is bad. Good is a human product* A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual and moral principles." —Sun Tzu * |
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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:35:43 +0000 (UTC), Todd Rich
wrote: SteveB wrote: I bought two gates at a yard sale that I'm going to mount in the garden. Got a great old office chair that needs a little MIG welding to stabilize the base. I went through a little 1.2 hp Gamefisher motor I got with my used fishing boat. I'm getting some steel ready to make window awnings, and getting the sewing machine tuned up. What's everyone up to? So much damn political talk going on, you can't hear the jaybirds. Steve I've been making these: http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u.../shop/dam3.png OOOOO....NICE!!! Gunner "Human nature is bad. Good is a human product* A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual and moral principles." —Sun Tzu * |
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Im working on parting down 20 odd computers today, clearing the top of
the welding table. Ill be going through about 10 boxes of used computer equipment over the weekend, then either storing or giving the unwanted stuff away. keep busy. The fans are useful for stuff like drying paint and coatings, they are brushless and make no sparks. Also useful for directing cutting oil smoke away from you or sucking it into a piece of dryer outlet tubing to pump it outside. Magnets are fun and usefull as well, http://www.dansdata.com/magnets.htm Hard drive disks are cool, but don't have many uses and won't weld. I drilled a few and hanged with fishing line as wind chimes, the baby loved one as a mobile over the crib. Might make good .22 targets -- Stupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty |
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On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:33:23 -0500, "Don Young"
wrote: "RoyJ" wrote in message om... I'm not doing metalwork because I can't figure out how to lay out the !!@@##@!@! sheet metal pattern. Trying to do a double offset (both directions) in an 8"x12" duct. But once I get the pattern, the metalworking should be interesting: It requires a Pittsburgh lock on a compound curve. SteveB wrote: I bought two gates at a yard sale that I'm going to mount in the garden. Got a great old office chair that needs a little MIG welding to stabilize the base. I went through a little 1.2 hp Gamefisher motor I got with my used fishing boat. I'm getting some steel ready to make window awnings, and getting the sewing machine tuned up. What's everyone up to? So much damn political talk going on, you can't hear the jaybirds. Steve I have not tried it with curves but I have made straight line transitions by cutting cardboard patterns for each side and cutting the metal oversize for laps. I bend the laps and screw or rivet together. If your patterns get cut undersize you can just tape another piece on where needed until you get it all how you want it. You can also make each pattern in more than one piece and tape together. I first did that to make a pattern for cutting flooring to go in a small bathroom. I know there are more elegant methods. Don Young What about Sheet Lightning http://www.revcad.com/ or http://www.download3000.com/download_31997.html This looks usefull to http://www.filesland.com/download/square-to-round.html |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
Had a 3 artery replumbing job in late January, 6 days later was crawling on machines fixing controls. Worked on and off while recovering, then had a stroke 15 days ago. Was in the hospital for 6 days, then came out and made 5 service calls on machinery. Im working on parting down 20 odd computers today, clearing the top of the welding table. Ill be going through about 10 boxes of used computer equipment over the weekend, then either storing or giving the unwanted stuff away. Nothing much scheduled for this coming week, so will likely be moving some machinery around in preperation for setting up my diAcro metal bender, which I machined new bending flanges, from 1"-6", over the past few months. Then Ill be doing some gunsmithing. Building a new scope mount for a 1911 clone. Just taking things easy as I heal up. The body is healing..the brain is fine..the brain/mouth interface needs some work. Uncle, that fine looking man in most of my web page pictures, is in the hospital for multiple blood clots in his lungs. Took me by suprize. Just Thursday he was out working up a load for a friends trapdoor in .50/70. He is a bit irritated, the docs will not let him out and about but maybe if he would just lay down when he is sick for a while he would have better luck. Uncle made the reloading dies for the gun on his 187x lathe. Wes http://wess.freeshell.org http://www.garage-machinist.com/ |
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Stupendous Man wrote:
Im working on parting down 20 odd computers today, clearing the top of the welding table. Ill be going through about 10 boxes of used computer equipment over the weekend, then either storing or giving the unwanted stuff away. keep busy. The fans are useful for stuff like drying paint and coatings, they are brushless and make no sparks. Also useful for directing cutting oil smoke away from you or sucking it into a piece of dryer outlet tubing to pump it outside. Magnets are fun and usefull as well, http://www.dansdata.com/magnets.htm Hard drive disks are cool, but don't have many uses and won't weld. I drilled a few and hanged with fishing line as wind chimes, the baby loved one as a mobile over the crib. Might make good .22 targets The 14 inch platters make killer frisbees! |
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Don Young wrote:
"Bill Noble" wrote in message ... " I''m still searching all over for some way to make the 4 ft long curl on the end of some .040 stainless to form a hood hinge for my 36 cadillac - it puzzles me to no end that this thing could be made in 1936 and no one I've contacted has a clue how to make it today - looks like either a roll mill or hammer mill job to me - no this is not a hinge with a pin, it is a typical interlocking spiral car hood hinge. any clues? It looks to me like you may need an inside pattern and figure out how to roll the strip around it. I have seen that type of hinge but never thought about how it was made. Wonder if it could be drawn thru a suitably shaped tapered die, with maybe some preliminary forming? Seems like a good repro part to sell if you can figure it out reasonably. Don Young I could see rolling it out like you would make a seamed tubing, cheap to do but building the rolling mill would cost a bit. But what's a half million dollars to make a ten million feet of hinge? Still a few rollers from cheap brake line tubing benders or cut your own. Mounted to a pair of angle irons. Clamp the angle irons in a vise with the appropriate spacer and shove / pull your material thru the rollers to curl the edges up a little. Put a smaller spacer in the vise clamp it all up an make another pass. Repeat till you've got the curl you need. Might need a guide at the start to keep the material centered between the rollers. If you don't get my idea but think it is worth pursuing e-mail me and I'll do up a drawing. Doug T |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:35:43 +0000 (UTC), Todd Rich wrote: (snip) I've been making these: http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u.../shop/dam3.png OOOOO....NICE!!! Gunner Thanks! I just got 3 more done today. Still tweaking the process. I got a nasty cut on my thumb about 2 weeks ago when I wasn't paying attention when grinding. So I've been using leather gloves, but my hands cramp up after a while using them. So I'm thinking about thinner gloves, or just making sure I'm really alert and not rushed when working on the belt grinder. (6 more just need grinding and etching) |
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On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:18:42 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:20:23 -0500, Terry wrote: Also bought nomex coveralls to wear while welding. Only partly for fire safety. When I bought a VW bus many years ago, my friend Jeff gave me a pair of coveralls and insisted that I wear them while working on the bus. It seems that a pair of dirty coveralls intimidates the vehicle into thinking that a proper mechanic is working on it. I'm using the same kind of logic to improve the welds. It's not working... Best -- Terry Chuckle.... What part are you having problems with, tig welding? Im sure we can help somewhere..... Gunner Hi Gunner, I haven't tried TIG yet. Just bought the argon tank Friday. I want to get somewhat experienced with stick welding first. I've been working on a small I-beam, just making puddles with 6011 and 7014 (I think; I'd have to go out in the workshop to confirm the numbers). Anyway, with 1/8" 7014 the rod kept freezing to the steel. The 1/16" 6011 worked *much* better but it's funny; the arc seems to go out then come back on its own, on cycles of about a second or so. This is the first welding I've ever done. It's a Ramsond combination machine, inverter-type, supposedly goes up to 200 amps. Just playing around for now. Best -- Terry |
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"Doug T" wrote in message ... Don Young wrote: "Bill Noble" wrote in message ... " I''m still searching all over for some way to make the 4 ft long curl on the end of some .040 stainless to form a hood hinge for my 36 cadillac - it puzzles me to no end that this thing could be made in 1936 and no one I've contacted has a clue how to make it today - looks like either a roll mill or hammer mill job to me - no this is not a hinge with a pin, it is a typical interlocking spiral car hood hinge. any clues? It looks to me like you may need an inside pattern and figure out how to roll the strip around it. I have seen that type of hinge but never thought about how it was made. Wonder if it could be drawn thru a suitably shaped tapered die, with maybe some preliminary forming? Seems like a good repro part to sell if you can figure it out reasonably. Don Young I could see rolling it out like you would make a seamed tubing, cheap to do but building the rolling mill would cost a bit. But what's a half million dollars to make a ten million feet of hinge? Still a few rollers from cheap brake line tubing benders or cut your own. Mounted to a pair of angle irons. Clamp the angle irons in a vise with the appropriate spacer and shove / pull your material thru the rollers to curl the edges up a little. Put a smaller spacer in the vise clamp it all up an make another pass. Repeat till you've got the curl you need. Might need a guide at the start to keep the material centered between the rollers. If you don't get my idea but think it is worth pursuing e-mail me and I'll do up a drawing. Doug T good idea, I've thought about buying a Pexto unit and making rollers - I don't think rollers on angle iron will work - .040 stainless is pretty stiff - I'll try and remember to take my drawing to Westec next week and see if someone there has an idea - This particular shape was very common in cars of the mid 30s, but disappeared entierly by the post WWII era when the idea of hinging the hood at the windshield came into fashion. The only car Iknow of that doesn't open the hood in one gigantic piece that was built after WWII is my Morgan +4 - it still opens "old style" -- I actually don't remmeber how the center hinge works on the Morgan - |
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Winston wrote:
SteveB wrote: (...) What's everyone up to? So much damn political talk going on, you can't hear the jaybirds. I accomplished the first two 'honeydos' using the hydraulic cart. Pulled an overgrown plant out by it's roots and popped a vestigal fence post out of the ground. The cart makes it *so* much easier. It was kind of weird to see that fence post raise up 'by itself' with no effort on my part. The machining, welding and grinding were worth it. Here is more info about that: http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Fencecart.txt http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Fencecart1.jpg http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Fencecart2.jpg --Winston -- Don't *faff*, dear. |
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On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:54:37 -0700, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following: Winston wrote: SteveB wrote: (...) What's everyone up to? So much damn political talk going on, you can't hear the jaybirds. I accomplished the first two 'honeydos' using the hydraulic cart. Pulled an overgrown plant out by it's roots and popped a vestigal fence post out of the ground. The cart makes it *so* much easier. It was kind of weird to see that fence post raise up 'by itself' with no effort on my part. The machining, welding and grinding were worth it. Here is more info about that: http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Fencecart.txt http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Fencecart1.jpg http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Fencecart2.jpg That's quite the handy gadget, Winnie. Congrats. -- Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure. -- Helen Keller |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:54:37 -0700, the infamous Winston scrawled the following: Winston wrote: SteveB wrote: (...) What's everyone up to? So much damn political talk going on, you can't hear the jaybirds. I accomplished the first two 'honeydos' using the hydraulic cart. Pulled an overgrown plant out by it's roots and popped a vestigal fence post out of the ground. The cart makes it *so* much easier. It was kind of weird to see that fence post raise up 'by itself' with no effort on my part. The machining, welding and grinding were worth it. Here is more info about that: http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Fencecart.txt http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Fencecart1.jpg http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Fencecart2.jpg That's quite the handy gadget, Winnie. Congrats. Thanks, Larry. -- Don't *faff*, dear. |
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On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:13:39 -0700, Winston
wrote: The machining, welding and grinding were worth it. Here is more info about that: http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Fencecart.txt http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/Fencecart1.jpg Very neat. I have the identical hoist and have made it into a rear mounted crane on my tractor, mainly used for lifting limestone blocks. Alan |
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