http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...pagewanted=all

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS €” They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

But on the street, these laborers are known as €œwalking
A.T.M.s.€�

Their pockets stuffed with bills, the laborers are vulnerable because
of language problems and their status as illegal immigrants. And as
Hispanics have become the prey of choice in crumbling neighborhoods
here in one of Americas most crime-ridden cities, racial friction
between the newcomers and longtime black residents has moved close to
the surface.

Geovanny Billado, a worker from Honduras, spoke of one incident in
which €œthey waited to punch me,€� and €œone of them stabs me with
a knife.€� It was four against one, Mr. Billado said, and he lost the
$350 he had earned; another time, it was seven against one.

€œYou dont get a chance to say anything,€� he said. €œThey just
fall on top of you. Its better to just give the money up front. If
you dont give it to them, theyll beat you and take it anyway.€�

It is an under-the-radar crime epidemic: unarmed Hispanic workers are
regularly mugged, beaten, chased, stabbed or shot, the police and the
workers themselves say. The ruined homes they sometimes squat in,
doubling- or quadrupling-up at night, are broken into, and they have
been made to lie face down while being robbed.

They are shot when, not understanding a muggers command, they fail
to hand over their cash quickly enough, shot while they are working on
houses, and shot when they go home for the day. Some have been killed,
their bodies flown home to families who had been dependent on their
remittances.

News reports suggest that at least a half-dozen Hispanic workers have
been shot and killed in the metropolitan area since Hurricane Katrina,
though the police say they have no idea of the precise number. At
least once a week, the police receive reports of a mugging or a holdup
€” certainly an undercount, since illegal workers with little or no
English generally do not go to the authorities.

For the workers, the violence is a grim fact of their life here, one
more risk among many. Waiting for work on recent chilly mornings
outside a Lowes store on Elysian Fields Avenue and at the edge of
an inner-city gas station, more than a dozen Hispanic workers spoke of
their vulnerability €” to the bosses they see as cheating them, the
police they see as harassing or ignoring them, and the criminals who
prey on them.

Unshaven after spending nights in the open air and ragged in their
paint-flecked work clothes, the men said that when guns are pointed at
them, they have no choice but to hand over their cash.

When the day is over, and their employer for the day drops them off in
the darkened Lowes parking lot, thugs could be waiting in the
shadows for them, several said.

With resignation but no visible anger, more than half told of being
threatened or robbed. One man, Armando Cruz, from Honduras, asserted
flatly, to nods of assent, €œMost of us here have been robbed.€�

Many bluntly assigned a racial component, saying that it was €œlos
morenos€� €” their colloquial term for blacks €” who were after
them. €œWhen we are leaving here after work, we have to go on
foot,€� Mr. Billado said, speaking through an interpreter. €œThe
blacks are waiting for us. Theyll beat you up. Theyll take your
money.€�

Such incidents can occur more than once a week, Mr. Billado said.

The police, the men said, either ignore their calls, admonish them for
being in the country illegally or arrive too late at a crime scene to
do any good.

€œThe blacks know when we have cash,€� said Juan Guillermo Medina,
another waiting worker. €œYes, its dangerous. But we have to be
here. Its the risk we run.€�

Juan Francisco Suazo, another worker, recounted an incident in January
outside a grocery when he was jumped by two men, one of whom grabbed
him around the shoulders while the other brandished a milk crate over
his head. The muggers took five days wages, Mr. Suazo said.

Outside the Lowes, another Honduran, Danny Diaz, recalled an
incident in which he and a friend were coming out of a store and were
ordered to turn over their money by two armed men. His friend was shot
in the shoulder, Mr. Diaz said; it was one of three times Mr. Diaz had
been assaulted in two months.

Roger Cruz, from Honduras, said: €œA lot of people dont know how
to defend themselves. Theres racism of blacks against Latinos.€�

The accusation of racism does not ring true to some city leaders. The
Hispanic workers tacitly acknowledge some unfamiliarity with the
dangerous ways of inner-city life, and in the eyes of some in New
Orleans, they have mistaken simple opportunism for racism.

It is not exactly racial prejudice that makes the Hispanic laborers
the target of choice, said the Rev. John C. Raphael Jr., a black
former New Orleans police officer and now a minister who has led
anticrime rallies here.

€œI think its not directly racial,€� Mr. Raphael said, but rather
€œthe fact that they were vulnerable, they were taken advantage
of.€�

Mr. Raphael, one of the most prominent faces in the anticrime movement
in New Orleans, called the widespread crime against Hispanic workers a
€œtremendous tragedy.€�

€œThese guys work hard all day,€� he said, noting the contrast
between the massed laborers waiting for work at a gas station at the
corner of Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard and Claiborne Avenue and a
group of men drinking beer in the median nearby.

Janssen Valencia, a police officer who acts as an interpreter and
occasionally as a radio counselor for Hispanic laborers here, urges
them to hide their money and vary their walking patterns.

€œIts very sad that theyre here helping us rebuild, yet you
have an element thats targeting them,€� Officer Valencia
said. €œThey work all week. Then comes the weekend, they get
robbed.€�

€œWhat they really voice is: €˜That money was for the family. We
dont harm anybody. Why does anybody mess with us? €�

As work has tightened up with the economic downturn, the atmosphere
has turned even grimmer. The muggings continue unabated, even as work
days drop off.

€œThey took money from everybody,€� said Cesar Reynoso, a
Guatemalan, recalling the afternoon in December when he and five
friends were robbed in the rough Central City neighborhood. They were
in a sports field, Mr. Reynosa said, and four men pointed guns at
them. They took $1,200 from the laborers.

€œThey just came up and took our stuff,€� he said. €œThey were just
yelling at us.€�

He said the laborers called the police, €œbut they took forever to
get there.€�

The men expressed some bewilderment at finding themselves in the
crosshairs, and more than a few directed earnest appeals to President
Obama to alleviate their plight.

€œWe dedicate ourselves to look for work, and we just want the chance
to be here,€� said Mr. Cruz, the Honduran. €œWe have children to
support.€�

Jennifer Whitney contributed reporting.
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Ignoramus20263 wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...pagewanted=all

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

Simple cure. Illegals go home. Americans need jobs and some of them pack. Think of it
as a twofer.

Wes

On Feb 16, 12:59*am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan....

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS — They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

"Wes" wrote in message
news
Ignoramus20263 wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...pagewanted=all

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

Simple cure. Illegals go home. Americans need jobs and some of them
pack. Think of it
as a twofer.

Wes

It certainly seems like the upstanding citizens of New Orleans are ready and
willing to work!

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:29:53 -0500, the infamous Wes
scrawled the following:

Ignoramus20263 wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...pagewanted=all

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

Simple cure. Illegals go home. Americans need jobs and some of them pack. Think of it
as a twofer.

STRONGLY seconded, Wes.

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On 2009-02-16, ATP* wrote:

"Wes" wrote in message
news
Ignoramus20263 wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...pagewanted=all

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

Simple cure. Illegals go home. Americans need jobs and some of them
pack. Think of it
as a twofer.

It certainly seems like the upstanding citizens of New Orleans are ready and
willing to work!


Might be caused by lack of ATM machines?

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ATP* wrote:
"Wes" wrote in message
news
Ignoramus20263 wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...pagewanted=all

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER
Simple cure. Illegals go home. Americans need jobs and some of them
pack. Think of it
as a twofer.

Wes

It certainly seems like the upstanding citizens of New Orleans are ready and
willing to work!


I don't sea SMILEY at the end of that. :-)
...lew...

Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:59?am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS ? They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

I say deport the locals and keep the illegal workers.

On Feb 16, 8:25*am, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:59?am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS ? They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

I say deport the locals and keep the illegal workers.

Perfect. And you can go with them. Be happy.

dennis
in nca

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:29:53 -0500, Wes wrote:

Simple cure. Illegals go home. Americans need jobs and some of them pack. Think of it
as a twofer.

Wes

QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE:
Mr. Raphael, one of the most prominent faces in the anticrime movement
in New Orleans, called the widespread crime against Hispanic workers a
tremendous tragedy.

These guys work hard all day, he said, noting the contrast
between the massed laborers waiting for work at a gas station at the
corner of Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard and Claiborne Avenue and a
group of men drinking beer in the median nearby.
UNQUOTE

Umm...exactly who do you think these guys drinking beer in the nearby
median were? That's right....the local negroes.

It's sort of difficult to hire them for construction work because the
only skill set they have developed is predatory criminal behavior,
ergo, while the Hispanics work to rebuild New Orleans they will just
watch and wait for their opportunity to steal the Hispanic's cash
wages.

New Orleans black community had this culture of crime long before the
flood and the Hispanics got there. The drug murders were raging there
for years before.
Dave

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
On Feb 16, 12:59 am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS — They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

Depends on what you consider "employed". Many of them are working in sales
and distribution.

rigger wrote:
On Feb 16, 8:25?am, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:59?am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS ? They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

I say deport the locals and keep the illegal workers.

Perfect. And you can go with them. Be happy.

I don't mind people that are willing to work.

Who is more of a a drag on society:

1) illegal workers
2) lifetime welfare recipients

I prefer neither, but #1 is my pick if had to choose.

Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:59?am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS ? They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a correct
observation.

On Feb 16, 1:06*pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:59?am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS ? They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a correct
observation.

************************************************** *******************
"When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation."
************************************************** *******************
And remember: Not wanting to work at or below minimum
is NO EXCUSE, because we now have people available
who WILL work for garbage wages AND keep their mouths
shut about it AND you don't have to pay any benefits!!!!
(JUST learn to ignore the increases in crime rates, OK?)

I'm sure this is what you had in mind.

dennis
in nca

"rigger" wrote in message
...
On Feb 16, 1:06 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:59?am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS ? They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a correct
observation.

************************************************** *******************
"When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation."
************************************************** *******************
And remember: Not wanting to work at or below minimum
is NO EXCUSE, because we now have people available
who WILL work for garbage wages AND keep their mouths
shut about it AND you don't have to pay any benefits!!!!
(JUST learn to ignore the increases in crime rates, OK?)

I'm sure this is what you had in mind.

dennis
in nca

They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work, regardless of
the hourly wage.

On Feb 17, 3:26*pm, "ATP*" wrote:
"rigger" wrote in message

...
On Feb 16, 1:06 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:





Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:59?am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS ? They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a correct
observation.

************************************************** *******************
"When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation."
************************************************** *******************
And remember: Not wanting to work at or below minimum
is NO EXCUSE, because we now have people available
who WILL work for garbage wages AND keep their mouths
shut about it AND you don't have to pay any benefits!!!!
(JUST learn to ignore the increases in crime rates, OK?)

I'm sure this is what you had in mind.

dennis
in nca

They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work, regardless of
the hourly wage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

************************************************** *********************
"They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't
support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard
time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work,
regardless of
the hourly wage."
************************************************** *********************
Illegal immigrents DO work for less than minimum; where have you
lived for the last 20-30 years? Unless you have some proof otherwise?

Employers paying a "living" wage have no trouble finding help, show
us otherwise.

You say you don't support illegal immigration BUT.........
BUT? BUT? Illegal immigration is ILLEGAL; don't you
understand the meaning of the word?? You're as bad as they are.

dennis
in nca


Your comment concerning these

"rigger" wrote in message
...
On Feb 17, 3:26 pm, "ATP*" wrote:
"rigger" wrote in message

...
On Feb 16, 1:06 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:





Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:59?am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS ? They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation.

************************************************** *******************
"When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation."
************************************************** *******************
And remember: Not wanting to work at or below minimum
is NO EXCUSE, because we now have people available
who WILL work for garbage wages AND keep their mouths
shut about it AND you don't have to pay any benefits!!!!
(JUST learn to ignore the increases in crime rates, OK?)

I'm sure this is what you had in mind.

dennis
in nca

They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work, regardless of
the hourly wage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

************************************************** *********************
"They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't
support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard
time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work,
regardless of
the hourly wage."
************************************************** *********************
Illegal immigrents DO work for less than minimum; where have you
lived for the last 20-30 years? Unless you have some proof otherwise?

They typically don't work for less than minimum in the construction trades.

More than ten years ago illegal immigrants hired off the corner in NY were
making about $100 cash a day.

Employers paying a "living" wage have no trouble finding help, show
us otherwise.

Employers that I know that need manual labor done hire immigrants- not
illegals, mind you- at prevailing wage rates, $25 plus per hour. They are
willing to work hard in hot or cold weather, something most native-born
Americans have a problem with. They are not slave-driven either, they get
breaks and lunch.

You say you don't support illegal immigration BUT.........
BUT? BUT? Illegal immigration is ILLEGAL; don't you
understand the meaning of the word?? You're as bad as they are.

I don't buy the argument that illegal immigration is such a boon to the
economy, and I certainly don't think we need to encourage illegals to come
here so that we can all sit on our asses and get our lawn mowing done cheap,
or so that Tyson Chicken can get cheap workers. I do think there is a
problem with fat and lazy Americans who don't want to work and I think New
Orleans is certainly no exception to that rule!

"rigger" wrote in message
...
On Feb 17, 3:26 pm, "ATP*" wrote:
"rigger" wrote in message

...
On Feb 16, 1:06 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:





Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:59?am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS ? They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation.

************************************************** *******************
"When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation."
************************************************** *******************
And remember: Not wanting to work at or below minimum
is NO EXCUSE, because we now have people available
who WILL work for garbage wages AND keep their mouths
shut about it AND you don't have to pay any benefits!!!!
(JUST learn to ignore the increases in crime rates, OK?)

I'm sure this is what you had in mind.

dennis
in nca

They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work, regardless of
the hourly wage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

************************************************** *********************
"They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't
support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard
time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work,
regardless of
the hourly wage."
************************************************** *********************
Illegal immigrents DO work for less than minimum; where have you
lived for the last 20-30 years? Unless you have some proof otherwise?

Employers paying a "living" wage have no trouble finding help, show
us otherwise.

You say you don't support illegal immigration BUT.........
BUT? BUT? Illegal immigration is ILLEGAL; don't you
understand the meaning of the word?? You're as bad as they are.

dennis
in nca


Your comment concerning these\

-----------------------------------------

Where do you live where you can hire illegal's for less than minimum wage?
Or any day laborer for less than minimum wage? Most get at the minimum $10
an hour. When I was in Slidell, LA after Katrina, working with a local
church group from California, there were signs all over the area looking for
workers for the food places. Most restaurants were only open part of the
day. Unskilled roofers were getting $25 an hour. So how you going to get a
burger flipper at McD's for the $10.50 / hr plus $500 bonus for working 6
months? But in New Orleans itself, the locals were not even cleaning up
their neighborhoods. They were a welfare society before Katrina and still
do not want to work. Only reason that NOLA did not show up on the FBI's
criminal cities list is they were 25,000 people to small. To get the same
murder rate in New York as NOLA, NYC would have had to increase theirs about
20x. Maybe you should get out and try to run a business to find out about
the real world.

On Feb 18, 11:55*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
...To get the same
murder rate in New York as NOLA, NYC would have had to increase theirs about
20x. *Maybe you should get out and try to run a business to find out about
the real world

But it's dropping
http://www.natchezdemocrat.com/news/...-rate-down-08/

On Feb 18, 8:55*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"rigger" wrote in message

...
On Feb 17, 3:26 pm, "ATP*" wrote:





"rigger" wrote in message

...
On Feb 16, 1:06 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:

Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:59?am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS ? They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation.

************************************************** *******************
"When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation."
************************************************** *******************
And remember: Not wanting to work at or below minimum
is NO EXCUSE, because we now have people available
who WILL work for garbage wages AND keep their mouths
shut about it AND you don't have to pay any benefits!!!!
(JUST learn to ignore the increases in crime rates, OK?)

I'm sure this is what you had in mind.

dennis
in nca

They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work, regardless of
the hourly wage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

************************************************** *********************
"They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't
support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard
time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work,
regardless of
the hourly wage."
************************************************** *********************
Illegal immigrents DO work for less than minimum; where have you
lived for the last 20-30 years? *Unless you have some proof otherwise?

Employers paying a "living" wage have no trouble finding help, show
us otherwise.

You say you don't support illegal immigration BUT.........
BUT? BUT? *Illegal immigration is ILLEGAL; don't you
understand the meaning of the word?? *You're as bad as they are.

dennis
in nca

Your comment concerning these\

-----------------------------------------

Where do you live where you can hire illegal's for less than minimum wage?
Or any day laborer for less than minimum wage? *Most get at the minimum $10
an hour. *When I was in Slidell, LA after Katrina, working with a local
church group from California, there were signs all over the area looking for
workers for the food places. *Most restaurants were only open part of the
day. *Unskilled roofers were getting $25 an hour. *So how you going to get a
burger flipper at McD's for the $10.50 / hr plus $500 bonus for working 6
months? *But in New Orleans itself, the locals were not even cleaning up
their neighborhoods. *They were a welfare society before Katrina and still
do not want to work. *Only reason that NOLA did not show up on the FBI's
criminal cities list is they were 25,000 people *to small. *To get the same
murder rate in New York as NOLA, NYC would have had to increase theirs about
20x. *Maybe you should get out and try to run a business to find out about
the real world.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
************************************************** ********
"Maybe you should get out and try to run a business to find out about
the real world.-"
************************************************** ********
The real world??? Do you even know what you're talking about???

Do you mean the "Real World" where your favorite (it seems)
immigrants bring drugs, disease, and crime with them???

The same ones that go on to get false drivers liscenses and green
cards (more crime)? The same ones who buy on time and then
move and change their names?? The same people who raise
their children on crime so they can run their street gangs, which
seem to be the main criminal operation in this country??? The
same ones who come here to drop their newborns at our ex-
pense and claim they are now citizens (and gee, you can't send
them away from their babies, now can you?)?

Look at the countries they come from: Filthy corrupt pest holes;
and this is what they bring with them.

Don't tell me about your damn stupid excuses; go explain them
to the construction worker, out of a job because your friend the
illegal alien wants it instead.

You ass. Go out and see how our country is being damaged
before you offer advise on a subject you know next to nothing
about.

dennis
in nca

"rigger" wrote in message
...
On Feb 18, 8:55 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"rigger" wrote in message

...
On Feb 17, 3:26 pm, "ATP*" wrote:





"rigger" wrote in message

...
On Feb 16, 1:06 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:

Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:59?am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS ? They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers
from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs
and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation.

************************************************** *******************
"When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation."
************************************************** *******************
And remember: Not wanting to work at or below minimum
is NO EXCUSE, because we now have people available
who WILL work for garbage wages AND keep their mouths
shut about it AND you don't have to pay any benefits!!!!
(JUST learn to ignore the increases in crime rates, OK?)

I'm sure this is what you had in mind.

dennis
in nca

They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't
support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard
time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work, regardless
of
the hourly wage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

************************************************** *********************
"They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't
support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard
time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work,
regardless of
the hourly wage."
************************************************** *********************
Illegal immigrents DO work for less than minimum; where have you
lived for the last 20-30 years? Unless you have some proof otherwise?

Employers paying a "living" wage have no trouble finding help, show
us otherwise.

You say you don't support illegal immigration BUT.........
BUT? BUT? Illegal immigration is ILLEGAL; don't you
understand the meaning of the word?? You're as bad as they are.

dennis
in nca

Your comment concerning these\

-----------------------------------------

Where do you live where you can hire illegal's for less than minimum wage?
Or any day laborer for less than minimum wage? Most get at the minimum $10
an hour. When I was in Slidell, LA after Katrina, working with a local
church group from California, there were signs all over the area looking
for
workers for the food places. Most restaurants were only open part of the
day. Unskilled roofers were getting $25 an hour. So how you going to get a
burger flipper at McD's for the $10.50 / hr plus $500 bonus for working 6
months? But in New Orleans itself, the locals were not even cleaning up
their neighborhoods. They were a welfare society before Katrina and still
do not want to work. Only reason that NOLA did not show up on the FBI's
criminal cities list is they were 25,000 people to small. To get the same
murder rate in New York as NOLA, NYC would have had to increase theirs
about
20x. Maybe you should get out and try to run a business to find out about
the real world.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
************************************************** ********
"Maybe you should get out and try to run a business to find out about
the real world.-"
************************************************** ********
The real world??? Do you even know what you're talking about???

Do you mean the "Real World" where your favorite (it seems)
immigrants bring drugs, disease, and crime with them???

The same ones that go on to get false drivers liscenses and green
cards (more crime)? The same ones who buy on time and then
move and change their names?? The same people who raise
their children on crime so they can run their street gangs, which
seem to be the main criminal operation in this country??? The
same ones who come here to drop their newborns at our ex-
pense and claim they are now citizens (and gee, you can't send
them away from their babies, now can you?)?

Look at the countries they come from: Filthy corrupt pest holes;
and this is what they bring with them.

Don't tell me about your damn stupid excuses; go explain them
to the construction worker, out of a job because your friend the
illegal alien wants it instead.

You ass. Go out and see how our country is being damaged
before you offer advise on a subject you know next to nothing
about.

dennis
in nca

You are the clueless one. How many illegals got subprime mortgages and
churned houses? Legal people here did that. How many illegals are forming
gangs as opposed to the legal people here? I ran a construction supply
business some years ago. Lots of the legal workers were lazy or decided
that they wanted "Union" wages and the featherbedding that went along with
it. Priced their companies out of the market. Look at the people on street
corners that have signs will work for food. They are most likely not
illegal and they will not work. As one legal Mexican national I know
describes them: "Just lazy, damn lazy".

On Feb 19, 12:07*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"rigger" wrote in message

...
On Feb 18, 8:55 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:



"rigger" wrote in message

...
On Feb 17, 3:26 pm, "ATP*" wrote:

"rigger" wrote in message

....
On Feb 16, 1:06 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:

Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:59?am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS ? They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers
from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs
and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation.

************************************************** *******************
"When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation."
************************************************** *******************
And remember: Not wanting to work at or below minimum
is NO EXCUSE, because we now have people available
who WILL work for garbage wages AND keep their mouths
shut about it AND you don't have to pay any benefits!!!!
(JUST learn to ignore the increases in crime rates, OK?)

I'm sure this is what you had in mind.

dennis
in nca

They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't
support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard
time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work, regardless
of
the hourly wage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

************************************************** *********************
"They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't
support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard
time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work,
regardless of
the hourly wage."
************************************************** *********************
Illegal immigrents DO work for less than minimum; where have you
lived for the last 20-30 years? Unless you have some proof otherwise?

Employers paying a "living" wage have no trouble finding help, show
us otherwise.

You say you don't support illegal immigration BUT.........
BUT? BUT? Illegal immigration is ILLEGAL; don't you
understand the meaning of the word?? You're as bad as they are.

dennis
in nca

Your comment concerning these\

-----------------------------------------

Where do you live where you can hire illegal's for less than minimum wage?
Or any day laborer for less than minimum wage? Most get at the minimum $10
an hour. When I was in Slidell, LA after Katrina, working with a local
church group from California, there were signs all over the area looking
for
workers for the food places. Most restaurants were only open part of the
day. Unskilled roofers were getting $25 an hour. So how you going to get a
burger flipper at McD's for the $10.50 / hr plus $500 bonus for working 6
months? But in New Orleans itself, the locals were not even cleaning up
their neighborhoods. They were a welfare society before Katrina and still
do not want to work. Only reason that NOLA did not show up on the FBI's
criminal cities list is they were 25,000 people to small. To get the same
murder rate in New York as NOLA, NYC would have had to increase theirs
about
20x. Maybe you should get out and try to run a business to find out about
the real world.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

************************************************** ********
"Maybe you should get out and try to run a business to find out about
the real world.-"
************************************************** ********
The real world??? *Do you even know what you're talking about???

Do you mean the "Real World" where your favorite (it seems)
immigrants bring drugs, disease, and crime with them???

The same ones that go on to get false drivers liscenses and green
cards (more crime)? * The same ones who buy on time and then
move and change their names?? *The same people who raise
their children on crime so they can run their street gangs, which
seem to be the main criminal operation in this country??? *The
same ones who come here to drop their newborns at our ex-
pense and claim they are now citizens (and gee, you can't send
them away from their babies, now can you?)?

Look at the countries they come from: Filthy corrupt pest holes;
and this is what they bring with them.

Don't tell me about your damn stupid excuses; go explain them
to the construction worker, out of a job because your friend the
illegal alien wants it instead.

You ass. *Go out and see how our country is being damaged
before you offer advise on a subject you know next to nothing
about.

dennis
in nca

You are the clueless one. *How many illegals got subprime mortgages and
churned houses? *Legal people here did that. *How many illegals are forming
gangs as opposed to the legal people here? *I ran a construction supply
business some years ago. *Lots of the legal workers were lazy or decided
that they wanted "Union" wages and the featherbedding that went along with
it. *Priced their companies out of the market. *Look at the people on street
corners that have signs will work for food. *They are most likely not
illegal and they will not work. *As one legal Mexican national I know
describes them: "Just lazy, damn lazy".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You're wrong. Even now banks advertise with an included
line that tells the listener "You don't even have to speak English."
And these are the people who overbought and then took out
large loans they had no hope to ever pay back, and you approve?

Latin Kings...Largest and deadliest criminal operation in the
U.S. today. Look at prison populations vs. general population,
although I doubt you'll look because it's easier to tell your
stories instead.

Your tiny experience is foolish: "All Indians walk in single file.
I know this because I saw one doing it one time" seems to be
your way of thinking.

These illegals and all their progeny should be shipped back
ASAP. You can go with them if you like.

dennis
in nca

"rigger" wrote in message
...
On Feb 19, 12:07 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"rigger" wrote in message

...
On Feb 18, 8:55 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:



"rigger" wrote in message

...
On Feb 17, 3:26 pm, "ATP*" wrote:

"rigger" wrote in message

...
On Feb 16, 1:06 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:

Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:59?am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS ? They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers
from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs
and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation.

************************************************** *******************
"When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation."
************************************************** *******************
And remember: Not wanting to work at or below minimum
is NO EXCUSE, because we now have people available
who WILL work for garbage wages AND keep their mouths
shut about it AND you don't have to pay any benefits!!!!
(JUST learn to ignore the increases in crime rates, OK?)

I'm sure this is what you had in mind.

dennis
in nca

They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't
support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard
time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work,
regardless
of
the hourly wage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

************************************************** *********************
"They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't
support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard
time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work,
regardless of
the hourly wage."
************************************************** *********************
Illegal immigrents DO work for less than minimum; where have you
lived for the last 20-30 years? Unless you have some proof otherwise?

Employers paying a "living" wage have no trouble finding help, show
us otherwise.

You say you don't support illegal immigration BUT.........
BUT? BUT? Illegal immigration is ILLEGAL; don't you
understand the meaning of the word?? You're as bad as they are.

dennis
in nca

Your comment concerning these\

-----------------------------------------

Where do you live where you can hire illegal's for less than minimum
wage?
Or any day laborer for less than minimum wage? Most get at the minimum
$10
an hour. When I was in Slidell, LA after Katrina, working with a local
church group from California, there were signs all over the area looking
for
workers for the food places. Most restaurants were only open part of the
day. Unskilled roofers were getting $25 an hour. So how you going to get
a
burger flipper at McD's for the $10.50 / hr plus $500 bonus for working
6
months? But in New Orleans itself, the locals were not even cleaning up
their neighborhoods. They were a welfare society before Katrina and
still
do not want to work. Only reason that NOLA did not show up on the FBI's
criminal cities list is they were 25,000 people to small. To get the
same
murder rate in New York as NOLA, NYC would have had to increase theirs
about
20x. Maybe you should get out and try to run a business to find out
about
the real world.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

************************************************** ********
"Maybe you should get out and try to run a business to find out about
the real world.-"
************************************************** ********
The real world??? Do you even know what you're talking about???

Do you mean the "Real World" where your favorite (it seems)
immigrants bring drugs, disease, and crime with them???

The same ones that go on to get false drivers liscenses and green
cards (more crime)? The same ones who buy on time and then
move and change their names?? The same people who raise
their children on crime so they can run their street gangs, which
seem to be the main criminal operation in this country??? The
same ones who come here to drop their newborns at our ex-
pense and claim they are now citizens (and gee, you can't send
them away from their babies, now can you?)?

Look at the countries they come from: Filthy corrupt pest holes;
and this is what they bring with them.

Don't tell me about your damn stupid excuses; go explain them
to the construction worker, out of a job because your friend the
illegal alien wants it instead.

You ass. Go out and see how our country is being damaged
before you offer advise on a subject you know next to nothing
about.

dennis
in nca

You are the clueless one. How many illegals got subprime mortgages and
churned houses? Legal people here did that. How many illegals are forming
gangs as opposed to the legal people here? I ran a construction supply
business some years ago. Lots of the legal workers were lazy or decided
that they wanted "Union" wages and the featherbedding that went along with
it. Priced their companies out of the market. Look at the people on street
corners that have signs will work for food. They are most likely not
illegal and they will not work. As one legal Mexican national I know
describes them: "Just lazy, damn lazy".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You're wrong. Even now banks advertise with an included
line that tells the listener "You don't even have to speak English."
And these are the people who overbought and then took out
large loans they had no hope to ever pay back, and you approve?

Latin Kings...Largest and deadliest criminal operation in the
U.S. today. Look at prison populations vs. general population,
although I doubt you'll look because it's easier to tell your
stories instead.

Your tiny experience is foolish: "All Indians walk in single file.
I know this because I saw one doing it one time" seems to be
your way of thinking.

These illegals and all their progeny should be shipped back
ASAP. You can go with them if you like.

dennis
in nca


I did not say the illegals were not having gangs. As to language, even
legals do not speak english in some areas.

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:39:26 -0500, "ATP*"
wrote:


"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...
On Feb 16, 12:59 am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS — They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

Depends on what you consider "employed". Many of them are working in sales
and distribution.


In the Recreational Pharmacutical Industry......


"Upon Roosevelt's death in 1945, H. L. Mencken predicted in his diary
that Roosevelt would be remembered as a great president, "maybe even
alongside Washington and Lincoln," opining that Roosevelt "had every
quality that morons esteem in their heroes.""

On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:20:51 -0800 (PST), rigger wrote:

************************************************* **********************
Illegal immigrents DO work for less than minimum; where have you
lived for the last 20-30 years? Unless you have some proof otherwise?


Some...some indeed do. Most however make minimum wage if not more.


"Upon Roosevelt's death in 1945, H. L. Mencken predicted in his diary
that Roosevelt would be remembered as a great president, "maybe even
alongside Washington and Lincoln," opining that Roosevelt "had every
quality that morons esteem in their heroes.""

On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:07:31 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


You are the clueless one. How many illegals got subprime mortgages and
churned houses?

In California..far too many have done exactly that.


"Upon Roosevelt's death in 1945, H. L. Mencken predicted in his diary
that Roosevelt would be remembered as a great president, "maybe even
alongside Washington and Lincoln," opining that Roosevelt "had every
quality that morons esteem in their heroes.""

On Feb 18, 11:20*am, rigger wrote:
On Feb 17, 3:26*pm, "ATP*" wrote:





"rigger" wrote in message

...
On Feb 16, 1:06 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:

Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:59?am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS ? They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a correct
observation.

************************************************** *******************
"When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation."
************************************************** *******************
And remember: Not wanting to work at or below minimum
is NO EXCUSE, because we now have people available
who WILL work for garbage wages AND keep their mouths
shut about it AND you don't have to pay any benefits!!!!
(JUST learn to ignore the increases in crime rates, OK?)

I'm sure this is what you had in mind.

dennis
in nca

They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work, regardless of
the hourly wage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

************************************************** *********************
"They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't
support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard
time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work,
regardless of
the hourly wage."
************************************************** *********************
Illegal immigrents DO work for less than minimum; where have you
lived for the last 20-30 years? *Unless you have some proof otherwise?

Employers paying a "living" wage have no trouble finding help, show
us otherwise.

You say you don't support illegal immigration BUT.........
BUT? BUT? *Illegal immigration is ILLEGAL; don't you
understand the meaning of the word?? *You're as bad as they are.

dennis
in nca

Your comment concerning these- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If the Government would pentalize employers for hiring illegals the
practice would end.

Employers love the cheap drug of illegal labor.

TMT

On Feb 21, 7:41*am, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Feb 18, 11:20*am, rigger wrote:





On Feb 17, 3:26*pm, "ATP*" wrote:

"rigger" wrote in message

....
On Feb 16, 1:06 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:

Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Feb 16, 12:59?am, Ignoramus20263 ignoramus20...@NOSPAM.
20263.invalid wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/us...=1&hp=&pagewan...

Day Laborers Are Easy Prey in New Orleans
By ADAM NOSSITER

NEW ORLEANS ? They are the men still rebuilding New Orleans more
than three years after Hurricane Katrina, the head-down laborers from
Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala who work on the blazing hot roofs and
inside the fetid homes for a wad of cash at the end of the day.

And the locals remain unemployed?

When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a correct
observation.

************************************************** *******************
"When you're not willing to work, you remain unemployed. This is a
correct
observation."
************************************************** *******************
And remember: Not wanting to work at or below minimum
is NO EXCUSE, because we now have people available
who WILL work for garbage wages AND keep their mouths
shut about it AND you don't have to pay any benefits!!!!
(JUST learn to ignore the increases in crime rates, OK?)

I'm sure this is what you had in mind.

dennis
in nca

They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work, regardless of
the hourly wage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

************************************************** *********************
"They're not working for below minimum wage and they're certainly not
responsible for increasing the crime rate in New Orleans! I don't
support
illegal immigration as the solution, but employers are having a hard
time
finding people that are willing to put in a hard day's work,
regardless of
the hourly wage."
************************************************** *********************
Illegal immigrents DO work for less than minimum; where have you
lived for the last 20-30 years? *Unless you have some proof otherwise?

Employers paying a "living" wage have no trouble finding help, show
us otherwise.

You say you don't support illegal immigration BUT.........
BUT? BUT? *Illegal immigration is ILLEGAL; don't you
understand the meaning of the word?? *You're as bad as they are.

dennis
in nca

Your comment concerning these- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If the Government would pentalize employers for hiring illegals the
practice would end.

Employers love the cheap drug of illegal labor.

TMT- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

************************************************** *************************
"If the Government would pentalize employers for hiring illegals the
practice would end."

"Employers love the cheap drug of illegal labor."
************************************************** *************************
The "government" is compicit in every phase of this crap. NONE
of this would have happened as they turned their blind eyes away
from the issue and toward the large donations (and no doubt many
that never saw the glare of publicity) and toward the lobbyists bear-
ing them.

And now the illegals manage to get sympathetic help from public
officials bearing similar sur names as they increase their pop-
ulation at tax payer expense.

The swirling has begun; hold your nose.

dennis
in nca