O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
Here is a website with a video that shows what at least a number of Brits
think about their "Benevolent" governments disarming them. Note the increased crime rate that is similar to that reported in Australia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
On Feb 4, 1:38 pm, "Stuart Fields" wrote:
Here is a website with a video that shows what at least a number of Brits think about their "Benevolent" governments disarming them. Note the increased crime rate that is similar to that reported in Australia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE What increased crime rate in Australia? - reference please. Andrew VK3BFA. |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
On Feb 4, 7:57 pm, wrote:
On Feb 4, 1:38 pm, "Stuart Fields" wrote: Here is a website with a video that shows what at least a number of Brits think about their "Benevolent" governments disarming them. Note the increased crime rate that is similar to that reported in Australia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE What increased crime rate in Australia? - reference please. Andrew VK3BFA. And what happened to the you tube video? - says its been pulled as the NRA claims copyright. The NRA doing videos on British and Australian crime? - havent they got enuff of their own to worry about? |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:52:59 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
scrawled the following: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:57:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 4, 1:38 pm, "Stuart Fields" wrote: Here is a website with a video that shows what at least a number of Brits think about their "Benevolent" governments disarming them. Note the increased crime rate that is similar to that reported in Australia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE What increased crime rate in Australia? - reference please. Andrew VK3BFA. Lets try these.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-DaF-sopE8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQoQTdVlxkA Same video.....different titles. This is one that is going to be hard for the Brits to remove from YouTube...its everywhere. I think he wanted something more like this, Gunner: http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusi...raliaguns.html http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21902 From http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=78 Australia -- Licensing of gun owners was imposed in 1973, each handgun requires a separate license, and self-defense is not considered a legitimate reason to have a firearm. Registration of firearms was imposed in 1985. In May 1996 semi-automatic center-fire rifles and many semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns were prohibited. As of Oct. 2000, about 660,000 privately owned firearms had been confiscated and destroyed. However, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology, between 1996-1998 assaults rose 16 percent, armed robberies rose 73 percent, and unlawful entries rose eight percent. Murders increased slightly in 1997 and decreased slightly in 1998. (Jacob Sullum, "Guns down under," Reason, Australia, p. 10, 10/1/00) For more information on Australian crime trends, see http://www.nraila.org/research/20000...Guns-001.shtml. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/arch...p/t-69835.html http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html So, what do you say, Andrew? -- Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity. -- George S. Patton |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:52:59 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch scrawled the following: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:57:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 4, 1:38 pm, "Stuart Fields" wrote: Here is a website with a video that shows what at least a number of Brits think about their "Benevolent" governments disarming them. Note the increased crime rate that is similar to that reported in Australia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE What increased crime rate in Australia? - reference please. Andrew VK3BFA. Lets try these.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-DaF-sopE8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQoQTdVlxkA Same video.....different titles. This is one that is going to be hard for the Brits to remove from YouTube...its everywhere. I think he wanted something more like this, Gunner: http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusi...raliaguns.html http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21902 From http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=78 Australia -- Licensing of gun owners was imposed in 1973, each handgun requires a separate license, and self-defense is not considered a legitimate reason to have a firearm. Registration of firearms was imposed in 1985. In May 1996 semi-automatic center-fire rifles and many semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns were prohibited. As of Oct. 2000, about 660,000 privately owned firearms had been confiscated and destroyed. However, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology, between 1996-1998 assaults rose 16 percent, armed robberies rose 73 percent, and unlawful entries rose eight percent. Murders increased slightly in 1997 and decreased slightly in 1998. (Jacob Sullum, "Guns down under," Reason, Australia, p. 10, 10/1/00) For more information on Australian crime trends, see http://www.nraila.org/research/20000...Guns-001.shtml. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/arch...p/t-69835.html http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html So, what do you say, Andrew? Larry: I'm impressed. I think that Andrew may have been looking for a glass of water and you presented him with the business end of a fire hose. It doesn't take much thought to know that people who already don't give a damn for others rights and property are going to obey the gun laws. Stripping the guns from law abiding citizens only leaves guns in the hands of non-law abiding citizens. To wit: The possesion of a machine gun without the appropriate FFL has been illegal for some time in the US. However it is possible to buy one off the black market in LA. Note: The home owner in the UK utube video was actually convicted of murder for protecting himself and is still in jail while one of the burglars is out and wanting to sue the home owner. This seems to make it open season for the crooks to prey on home owners. The home owners don't dare respond to the crooks. If this makes sense to anyone out there, how about we work to find a way to segregate our selves into a state or country that doesn't believe in self defense and another that firmly believes in the rights of an individual to defend himself. That way both groups can be happy. Stu |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
"Stuart Fields" wrote in message ... "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:52:59 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch scrawled the following: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:57:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 4, 1:38 pm, "Stuart Fields" wrote: Here is a website with a video that shows what at least a number of Brits think about their "Benevolent" governments disarming them. Note the increased crime rate that is similar to that reported in Australia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE What increased crime rate in Australia? - reference please. Andrew VK3BFA. Lets try these.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-DaF-sopE8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQoQTdVlxkA Same video.....different titles. This is one that is going to be hard for the Brits to remove from YouTube...its everywhere. I think he wanted something more like this, Gunner: http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusi...raliaguns.html http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21902 From http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=78 Australia -- Licensing of gun owners was imposed in 1973, each handgun requires a separate license, and self-defense is not considered a legitimate reason to have a firearm. Registration of firearms was imposed in 1985. In May 1996 semi-automatic center-fire rifles and many semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns were prohibited. As of Oct. 2000, about 660,000 privately owned firearms had been confiscated and destroyed. However, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology, between 1996-1998 assaults rose 16 percent, armed robberies rose 73 percent, and unlawful entries rose eight percent. Murders increased slightly in 1997 and decreased slightly in 1998. (Jacob Sullum, "Guns down under," Reason, Australia, p. 10, 10/1/00) For more information on Australian crime trends, see http://www.nraila.org/research/20000...Guns-001.shtml. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/arch...p/t-69835.html http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html So, what do you say, Andrew? Larry: I'm impressed. I think that Andrew may have been looking for a glass of water and you presented him with the business end of a fire hose. It doesn't take much thought to know that people who already don't give a damn for others rights and property are going to obey the gun laws. Stripping the guns from law abiding citizens only leaves guns in the hands of non-law abiding citizens. To wit: The possesion of a machine gun without the appropriate FFL has been illegal for some time in the US. However it is possible to buy one off the black market in LA. Note: The home owner in the UK utube video was actually convicted of murder for protecting himself and is still in jail while one of the burglars is out and wanting to sue the home owner. This seems to make it open season for the crooks to prey on home owners. The home owners don't dare respond to the crooks. If this makes sense to anyone out there, how about we work to find a way to segregate our selves into a state or country that doesn't believe in self defense and another that firmly believes in the rights of an individual to defend himself. That way both groups can be happy. Stu Who will get a machine gun for me on the black market? I think my choice would be a BAR, MP5, or first choice would be an American 180. |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
"Buerste" wrote in message ... "Stuart Fields" wrote in message ... "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:52:59 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch scrawled the following: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:57:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 4, 1:38 pm, "Stuart Fields" wrote: Here is a website with a video that shows what at least a number of Brits think about their "Benevolent" governments disarming them. Note the increased crime rate that is similar to that reported in Australia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE What increased crime rate in Australia? - reference please. Andrew VK3BFA. Lets try these.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-DaF-sopE8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQoQTdVlxkA Same video.....different titles. This is one that is going to be hard for the Brits to remove from YouTube...its everywhere. I think he wanted something more like this, Gunner: http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusi...raliaguns.html http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21902 From http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=78 Australia -- Licensing of gun owners was imposed in 1973, each handgun requires a separate license, and self-defense is not considered a legitimate reason to have a firearm. Registration of firearms was imposed in 1985. In May 1996 semi-automatic center-fire rifles and many semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns were prohibited. As of Oct. 2000, about 660,000 privately owned firearms had been confiscated and destroyed. However, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology, between 1996-1998 assaults rose 16 percent, armed robberies rose 73 percent, and unlawful entries rose eight percent. Murders increased slightly in 1997 and decreased slightly in 1998. (Jacob Sullum, "Guns down under," Reason, Australia, p. 10, 10/1/00) For more information on Australian crime trends, see http://www.nraila.org/research/20000...Guns-001.shtml. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/arch...p/t-69835.html http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html So, what do you say, Andrew? Larry: I'm impressed. I think that Andrew may have been looking for a glass of water and you presented him with the business end of a fire hose. It doesn't take much thought to know that people who already don't give a damn for others rights and property are going to obey the gun laws. Stripping the guns from law abiding citizens only leaves guns in the hands of non-law abiding citizens. To wit: The possesion of a machine gun without the appropriate FFL has been illegal for some time in the US. However it is possible to buy one off the black market in LA. Note: The home owner in the UK utube video was actually convicted of murder for protecting himself and is still in jail while one of the burglars is out and wanting to sue the home owner. This seems to make it open season for the crooks to prey on home owners. The home owners don't dare respond to the crooks. If this makes sense to anyone out there, how about we work to find a way to segregate our selves into a state or country that doesn't believe in self defense and another that firmly believes in the rights of an individual to defend himself. That way both groups can be happy. Stu Who will get a machine gun for me on the black market? I think my choice would be a BAR, MP5, or first choice would be an American 180. I sure don't want to get involved, but I've talked to more than one guy who claimed to have his own AK-47 and photos of him shooting it. With all of the guns in Afganistan and other places there are thousands and hundreds of thousands of guns out there. Just watch TV every man-jack in Afganistan seems to have whatever he wants with plenty of ammunition. With a little research, I'm sure that you can find a source. |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
Buerste wrote:
"Stuart Fields" wrote in message ... "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:52:59 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch scrawled the following: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:57:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 4, 1:38 pm, "Stuart Fields" wrote: Here is a website with a video that shows what at least a number of Brits think about their "Benevolent" governments disarming them. Note the increased crime rate that is similar to that reported in Australia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE What increased crime rate in Australia? - reference please. Andrew VK3BFA. Lets try these.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-DaF-sopE8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQoQTdVlxkA Same video.....different titles. This is one that is going to be hard for the Brits to remove from YouTube...its everywhere. I think he wanted something more like this, Gunner: http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusi...raliaguns.html http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21902 From http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=78 Australia -- Licensing of gun owners was imposed in 1973, each handgun requires a separate license, and self-defense is not considered a legitimate reason to have a firearm. Registration of firearms was imposed in 1985. In May 1996 semi-automatic center-fire rifles and many semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns were prohibited. As of Oct. 2000, about 660,000 privately owned firearms had been confiscated and destroyed. However, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology, between 1996-1998 assaults rose 16 percent, armed robberies rose 73 percent, and unlawful entries rose eight percent. Murders increased slightly in 1997 and decreased slightly in 1998. (Jacob Sullum, "Guns down under," Reason, Australia, p. 10, 10/1/00) For more information on Australian crime trends, see http://www.nraila.org/research/20000...Guns-001.shtml. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/arch...p/t-69835.html http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html So, what do you say, Andrew? Larry: I'm impressed. I think that Andrew may have been looking for a glass of water and you presented him with the business end of a fire hose. It doesn't take much thought to know that people who already don't give a damn for others rights and property are going to obey the gun laws. Stripping the guns from law abiding citizens only leaves guns in the hands of non-law abiding citizens. To wit: The possesion of a machine gun without the appropriate FFL has been illegal for some time in the US. However it is possible to buy one off the black market in LA. Note: The home owner in the UK utube video was actually convicted of murder for protecting himself and is still in jail while one of the burglars is out and wanting to sue the home owner. This seems to make it open season for the crooks to prey on home owners. The home owners don't dare respond to the crooks. If this makes sense to anyone out there, how about we work to find a way to segregate our selves into a state or country that doesn't believe in self defense and another that firmly believes in the rights of an individual to defend himself. That way both groups can be happy. Stu Who will get a machine gun for me on the black market? I think my choice would be a BAR, MP5, or first choice would be an American 180. Why black market? Pay the Federal transfer tax and file the paperwork and (if you live in a state that doesn't ban them) you can buy a machine gun yourself. Not a big problem. -- Steve W. |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:11:14 -0500, "Buerste" wrote:
Who will get a machine gun for me on the black market? I think my choice would be a BAR, MP5, or first choice would be an American 180. http://www.impactguns.com/store/machineguns.html |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:11:14 -0500, "Buerste" wrote:
Who will get a machine gun for me on the black market? I think my choice would be a BAR, MP5, or first choice would be an American 180. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEOq-odiEss&NR=1 |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
On Feb 5, 12:26*am, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:52:59 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch scrawled the following: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:57:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 4, 1:38 pm, "Stuart Fields" wrote: Here is a website with a video that shows what at least a number of Brits think about their "Benevolent" governments disarming them. *Note the increased crime rate that is similar to that reported in Australia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE What *increased crime rate in Australia? - reference please. Andrew VK3BFA. Lets try these.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-DaF-sopE8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQoQTdVlxkA Same video.....different titles. *This is one that is going to be hard for the Brits to remove from YouTube...its everywhere. I think he wanted something more like this, Gunner: http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusi...raliaguns.html http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21902 Fromhttp://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=78 Australia -- Licensing of gun owners was imposed in 1973, each handgun requires a separate license, and self-defense is not considered a legitimate reason to have a firearm. Registration of firearms was imposed in 1985. In May 1996 semi-automatic center-fire rifles and many semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns were prohibited. As of Oct. 2000, about 660,000 privately owned firearms had been confiscated and destroyed. However, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology, between 1996-1998 assaults rose 16 percent, armed robberies rose 73 percent, and unlawful entries rose eight percent. Murders increased slightly in 1997 and decreased slightly in 1998. (Jacob Sullum, "Guns down under," Reason, Australia, p. 10, 10/1/00) For more information on Australian crime trends, seewww.nraila.org/research/20000329-BanningGuns-001.shtml. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/arch...p/t-69835.html http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html So, what do you say, Andrew? -- Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- George S. Patton I say "Wow...thats pretty amazing" - glad to see the Yanks keep tab on whats happening here, I had no real interest and would have thought that if it was that bad, it would be on the news as a lead item......after all, cats stuck up trees get on the evening news.... And Dons right - you used a firehouse, I stand corrected - although why do I feel the need to get out my ancient copy of "How to Lie with Statistics"...... And, being a right cynical kinda guy, I didnt bother to look at Gunners references,,but did Google NRAILA -and found... Its the American NRA, what credibility it has with reference to Australia? - I don't know, but several references, notably Wikipedia, claim that the geographically challenged NRA "research" people got confused between Austria and Australia....easy to do , its only spelling and whats the difference anyway.... So - this will drag on for ever, Gunner abstracting references of dubious quality but voluminous quantity, some of you unquestioning anything you read that supports your particular hobby horse - not just for guns, but for any subject. (not that I would ever do anything like that, oh no....g) someone tells you something, you question it someone gives you information hand written, you question it. if its a computer printout, it must be true. if its on the internet.....what happened to the Bull**** Filters, why do they get turned off all the time? Andrew VK3BFA. |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
wrote in message ... On Feb 5, 12:26 am, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:52:59 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch scrawled the following: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:57:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 4, 1:38 pm, "Stuart Fields" wrote: Here is a website with a video that shows what at least a number of Brits think about their "Benevolent" governments disarming them. Note the increased crime rate that is similar to that reported in Australia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE What increased crime rate in Australia? - reference please. Andrew VK3BFA. Lets try these.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-DaF-sopE8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQoQTdVlxkA Same video.....different titles. This is one that is going to be hard for the Brits to remove from YouTube...its everywhere. I think he wanted something more like this, Gunner: http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusi...raliaguns.html http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21902 Fromhttp://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=78 Australia -- Licensing of gun owners was imposed in 1973, each handgun requires a separate license, and self-defense is not considered a legitimate reason to have a firearm. Registration of firearms was imposed in 1985. In May 1996 semi-automatic center-fire rifles and many semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns were prohibited. As of Oct. 2000, about 660,000 privately owned firearms had been confiscated and destroyed. However, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology, between 1996-1998 assaults rose 16 percent, armed robberies rose 73 percent, and unlawful entries rose eight percent. Murders increased slightly in 1997 and decreased slightly in 1998. (Jacob Sullum, "Guns down under," Reason, Australia, p. 10, 10/1/00) For more information on Australian crime trends, seewww.nraila.org/research/20000329-BanningGuns-001.shtml. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/arch...p/t-69835.html http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html So, what do you say, Andrew? -- Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity. -- George S. Patton I say "Wow...thats pretty amazing" - glad to see the Yanks keep tab on whats happening here, I had no real interest and would have thought that if it was that bad, it would be on the news as a lead item......after all, cats stuck up trees get on the evening news.... And Dons right - you used a firehouse, I stand corrected - although why do I feel the need to get out my ancient copy of "How to Lie with Statistics"...... And, being a right cynical kinda guy, I didnt bother to look at Gunners references,,but did Google NRAILA -and found... Its the American NRA, what credibility it has with reference to Australia? - I don't know, but several references, notably Wikipedia, claim that the geographically challenged NRA "research" people got confused between Austria and Australia....easy to do , its only spelling and whats the difference anyway.... So - this will drag on for ever, Gunner abstracting references of dubious quality but voluminous quantity, some of you unquestioning anything you read that supports your particular hobby horse - not just for guns, but for any subject. (not that I would ever do anything like that, oh no....g) someone tells you something, you question it someone gives you information hand written, you question it. if its a computer printout, it must be true. if its on the internet.....what happened to the Bull**** Filters, why do they get turned off all the time? Andrew VK3BFA. Andrew: I agree not to take every thing output by computer as gospel. However, think about it. Taking guns from law abiding citizens does little if anything to disarm the non law abiding citizens. That makes just common sense. If the statistics agree with common sense and everyday experience, then just maybe the statistics are providing a numerical measure of what common sense implies. Other examples of ill thought out legal actions: Making booze illegal in the US only generated a new illegal industry. Making drugs illegal has done the same thing. Making private ownership of guns will do the same thing. People who do not respect the laws aren't going to worry about it being illegal to have one. Dis-arming private citizens, in my mind makes them softer targets for crooks. Stu |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
On Feb 3, 9:38*pm, "Stuart Fields" wrote:
Here is a website with a video that shows what at least a number of Brits think about their "Benevolent" governments disarming them. *Note the increased crime rate that is similar to that reported in Australia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE It just struck me- a bunch of guys with gun-making machine tools really never have to worry about not having a legal gun, they just have to worry about getting caught with an illegal one. Dave |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
wrote in message ... On Feb 5, 12:26 am, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:52:59 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch scrawled the following: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:57:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 4, 1:38 pm, "Stuart Fields" wrote: Here is a website with a video that shows what at least a number of Brits think about their "Benevolent" governments disarming them. Note the increased crime rate that is similar to that reported in Australia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE What increased crime rate in Australia? - reference please. Andrew VK3BFA. Lets try these.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-DaF-sopE8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQoQTdVlxkA Same video.....different titles. This is one that is going to be hard for the Brits to remove from YouTube...its everywhere. I think he wanted something more like this, Gunner: http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusi...raliaguns.html http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21902 Fromhttp://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=78 Australia -- Licensing of gun owners was imposed in 1973, each handgun requires a separate license, and self-defense is not considered a legitimate reason to have a firearm. Registration of firearms was imposed in 1985. In May 1996 semi-automatic center-fire rifles and many semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns were prohibited. As of Oct. 2000, about 660,000 privately owned firearms had been confiscated and destroyed. However, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology, between 1996-1998 assaults rose 16 percent, armed robberies rose 73 percent, and unlawful entries rose eight percent. Murders increased slightly in 1997 and decreased slightly in 1998. (Jacob Sullum, "Guns down under," Reason, Australia, p. 10, 10/1/00) For more information on Australian crime trends, seewww.nraila.org/research/20000329-BanningGuns-001.shtml. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/arch...p/t-69835.html http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html So, what do you say, Andrew? -- Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity. -- George S. Patton I say "Wow...thats pretty amazing" - glad to see the Yanks keep tab on whats happening here, I had no real interest and would have thought that if it was that bad, it would be on the news as a lead item......after all, cats stuck up trees get on the evening news.... And Dons right - you used a firehouse, I stand corrected - although why do I feel the need to get out my ancient copy of "How to Lie with Statistics"...... Did you mean "fire hose" there? ;) I always try to provide more than one link because someone invariably doesn't like at least one of them. shrug And, being a right cynical kinda guy, I didnt bother to look at Gunners references,,but did Google NRAILA -and found... Its the American NRA, what credibility it has with reference to Australia? - I don't know, but several references, notably Wikipedia, claim that the geographically challenged NRA "research" people got confused between Austria and Australia....easy to do , its only spelling and whats the difference anyway.... So, are you disputing any (all?) of the data? What did you stand corrected upon? I see BBC broadcasts which occasionally show me the reality of the world happenings that the Big 3 TV networks don't bother to show us here in this country. Could yours be similarly bothered by political skewing? So - this will drag on for ever, Gunner abstracting references of dubious quality but voluminous quantity, some of you unquestioning anything you read that supports your particular hobby horse - not just for guns, but for any subject. (not that I would ever do anything like that, oh no....g) g someone tells you something, you question it someone gives you information hand written, you question it. if its a computer printout, it must be true. if its on the internet.....what happened to the Bull**** Filters, why do they get turned off all the time? g Yeah, it's getting harder and harder to find credible data on the Net. The nice thing is that you can check so many resources against the others, finally coming to -some- kind synthesis of reality if not the gods' honest truth. (No, that apostrophe is where it's supposed to be. Crom, Odin, Buddha, et al would have wanted it that way.) -- Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity. -- George S. Patton |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
"Steve W." wrote:
Why black market? Pay the Federal transfer tax and file the paperwork and (if you live in a state that doesn't ban them) you can buy a machine gun yourself. Not a big problem. Well the supply is limited. Only registered MGs that were papered before a certain date are in the legal market. Not cheap. Wes |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
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O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
On Feb 6, 3:41*pm, Larry Jaques wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 5, 12:26 am, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:52:59 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch scrawled the following: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 00:57:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 4, 1:38 pm, "Stuart Fields" wrote: Here is a website with a video that shows what at least a number of Brits think about their "Benevolent" governments disarming them. Note the increased crime rate that is similar to that reported in Australia.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE What increased crime rate in Australia? - reference please. Andrew VK3BFA. Lets try these.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-DaF-sopE8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQoQTdVlxkA Same video.....different titles. This is one that is going to be hard for the Brits to remove from YouTube...its everywhere. I think he wanted something more like this, Gunner: http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusi...raliaguns.html http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21902 Fromhttp://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=78 Australia -- Licensing of gun owners was imposed in 1973, each handgun requires a separate license, and self-defense is not considered a legitimate reason to have a firearm. Registration of firearms was imposed in 1985. In May 1996 semi-automatic center-fire rifles and many semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns were prohibited. As of Oct. 2000, about 660,000 privately owned firearms had been confiscated and destroyed. However, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology, between 1996-1998 assaults rose 16 percent, armed robberies rose 73 percent, and unlawful entries rose eight percent. Murders increased slightly in 1997 and decreased slightly in 1998. (Jacob Sullum, "Guns down under," Reason, Australia, p. 10, 10/1/00) For more information on Australian crime trends, seewww.nraila.org/research/20000329-BanningGuns-001.shtml. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/arch...p/t-69835.html http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html So, what do you say, Andrew? -- Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity. -- George S. Patton I say "Wow...thats pretty amazing" - glad to see the Yanks keep tab on whats happening here, I had no real interest and would have thought that if it was that bad, it would be on the news as a lead item......after all, cats stuck up trees get on the evening news.... And Dons right - you used a firehouse, I stand corrected - although why do I feel the need to get out my ancient copy of "How to Lie with Statistics"...... Did you mean "fire hose" there? *;) I always try to provide more than one link because someone invariably doesn't like at least one of them. *shrug And, being a right cynical kinda guy, I didnt bother to look at Gunners references,,but did Google NRAILA -and found... Its the American NRA, *what credibility it has with reference to Australia? - *I don't know, but several references, notably Wikipedia, claim that the geographically challenged NRA "research" people got confused between Austria and Australia....easy to do , its only spelling and whats the difference anyway.... So, are you disputing any (all?) of the data? *What did you stand corrected upon? I see BBC broadcasts which occasionally show me the reality of the world happenings that the Big 3 TV networks don't bother to show us here in this country. Could yours be similarly bothered by political skewing? So - this will drag on for ever, Gunner abstracting references of dubious quality but *voluminous quantity, some of you unquestioning anything you read that supports your particular hobby horse - not just for guns, but for any subject. (not that I would ever do anything like that, oh no....g) g someone tells you something, you question it someone gives you information hand written, you question it. if its a computer printout, it must be true. if its on the internet.....what happened to *the Bull**** Filters, why do they get turned off all the time? g *Yeah, it's getting harder and harder to find credible data on the Net. *The nice thing is that you can check so many resources against the others, finally coming to -some- kind synthesis of reality if not the gods' honest truth. *(No, that apostrophe is where it's supposed to be. Crom, Odin, Buddha, et al would have wanted it that way.) -- Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- George S. Patton Hi Larry, Stewart, et all. I wasn't questioning gun licensing or regulation, I have given up on that. (but interesting Pavlovian reaction from you guys, wasn't it) You guys make powerful arguments for the individuals right to own arms for self defense, no argument with that either. Its your country, you make the rules, you live by the consequences. And I cant imagine people like Don Forman going feral and committing a massacre. I send Don the occasional picture of BIG NASTY things that do need large caliber rifles to take out - the people who do this are experts, and I have no quibble with them owning the right tools for the job. They are sane. Odd, perhaps, but sane. What I was questioning was the use of dubious statistics and statements to bolster a cause - it does you no good to have such a sloppy research methodology and merely gives ammunition (hahah - a gun pun!) to your opponents. And I have lived long enough, and seen enough bull****, and broken promises and lies from...just about everyone...that I no longer believe what I see without question. It didn't take more than 30 seconds to find the interferences to the NRA video/article that showed it was dubious, to say the least. So. Where does that leave "the truth" I don't care enough to do the research to prove or disprove any of it, I don't care that much about the subject - we have a different culture, and its a bit much that your gun lobbyists try to bolster their case with "statistics" and research from my own country. Credibility needs to be earned - Cliff with his loony leftist rants has the same credibility as Gunner with his "messages from high ranking officials telling the truth" - ie, zero. In closing - its an emotive subject anyway (like politics) so no amount of argument, rational or otherwise, is going to change anyone's mind. I read a quote once that said "everything you read in the newspapers is correct, except for the subject you have great knowledge about"...... Andrew VK3BFA. |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
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O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 05:23:34 -0800 (PST), wrote: And I have lived long enough, and seen enough bull****, and broken promises and lies from...just about everyone...that I no longer believe what I see without question. It didn't take more than 30 seconds to find the interferences to the NRA video/article that showed it was dubious, to say the least. So. Where does that leave "the truth" I don't care enough to do the research to prove or disprove any of it, I don't care that much about the subject - we have a different culture, and its a bit much that your gun lobbyists try to bolster their case with "statistics" and research from my own country. Credibility needs to be earned - Cliff with his loony leftist rants has the same credibility as Gunner with his "messages from high ranking officials telling the truth" - ie, zero. In closing - its an emotive subject anyway (like politics) so no amount of argument, rational or otherwise, is going to change anyone's mind. I read a quote once that said "everything you read in the newspapers is correct, except for the subject you have great knowledge about"...... Andrew VK3BFA. In other words...despite MULTIPLE sources of data, you choose to ignore all of it, because your mind is already made up, and nothing will change it. And wave your hands in resignation over your inability to care one way or another....anything else might make you reevaluate your world view and its simply too much bother. As usual, Gunner, your data is twisted and you didn't bother to check it. Here's the real story: http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp "In the latter case, it should be noted that the Australia-wide percentage of homicides committed with firearms is now lower than it was before the gun buy-back program, and lower than it has been at any point during the past ten years. (In the former case, the absolute number of firearm homicides in Australia in 1998-99 was the lowest in the past ten years.)" Links are provided to the Australian Institute of Criminology. Fifteen minutes or so studying the data show how this story was cocked up -- which you apparently swallowed whole. Thanks for the honesty, though your clarity of position leaves something to be desired. Would that you were as honest. Pip pip...stiff upper lip and all that. Its sad to see how far into apathy the collective Anglo pysche has plummeted. From a once proud and rightious people...to mediocrity at best and a dispirited flock of sheep at worst. You've emerged as one of Usenet's more prolific bull****ting kooks, Gunner. You have so much to be proud of. -- Ed Huntress |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 05:23:34 -0800 (PST), wrote: You've emerged as one of Usenet's more prolific bull****ting kooks, Gunner. You have so much to be proud of. Nah, the welfare queen really isn't that prolific Ed. Relatively speaking anyway. You got the bull****ting part right though. JC |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
"John R. Carroll" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 05:23:34 -0800 (PST), wrote: You've emerged as one of Usenet's more prolific bull****ting kooks, Gunner. You have so much to be proud of. Nah, the welfare queen really isn't that prolific Ed. Relatively speaking anyway. You got the bull****ting part right though. JC I think he gets the award for bogus references and citations, however. -- Ed Huntress |
O.T. but interesting video: The Brits want their guns back
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "John R. Carroll" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 05:23:34 -0800 (PST), wrote: You've emerged as one of Usenet's more prolific bull****ting kooks, Gunner. You have so much to be proud of. Nah, the welfare queen really isn't that prolific Ed. Relatively speaking anyway. You got the bull****ting part right though. JC I think he gets the award for bogus references and citations, however. As a percentage. LOL I think the cause of his latest health problem was letting an actual fact or fragment of truth close in on him. JC |
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