OK, the Kid Down The Street came to me with a project. He has to make
something with all SIX(!) simple machines.

So, I said to him, "There are only THREE simple machines. The lever,
the wheel and the inclined plane."

"No," he said, "there are SIX simple machines. The lever, the wheel
and axle, the wedge, the pulley, the screw and the inclined plane."

"Bull****!" says I, "A pulley is just a wheel (and maybe, when you add
in a rope, it's got a little lever mixed in), a wedge is just an
inclined plane and a screw is just an inclined plane wrapped around a
wheel."

"Look it up." says the Smart Ass Down The Street.

So, I googled "Simple Machines" and, lo and behold, it appears that
they are teaching kids about these SIX things - the original three
plus the three inbred cousins.

What the ****?

"RangersSuck"
wrote in message
OK, the Kid Down The Street came to me with a project. He
has to make
something with all SIX(!) simple machines.

So, I said to him, "There are only THREE simple machines.
The lever,
the wheel and the inclined plane."

"No," he said, "there are SIX simple machines. The lever,
the wheel
and axle, the wedge, the pulley, the screw and the
inclined plane."

"Bull****!" says I, "A pulley is just a wheel (and maybe,
when you add
in a rope, it's got a little lever mixed in), a wedge is
just an
inclined plane and a screw is just an inclined plane
wrapped around a
wheel."

"Look it up." says the Smart Ass Down The Street.

So, I googled "Simple Machines" and, lo and behold, it
appears that
they are teaching kids about these SIX things - the
original three
plus the three inbred cousins.

What the ****?

Scary ain't it! We're in trouble with that educational train
of thought, or
lack of. Perhaps the student who sticks to the basic three
machines
and can explain why will get extra credit? I'm curious as
to how these
'teachers' attempt to explain 'centrifugal force' , or how
to 'push a rope'
or pick up a turd by the clean end.
phil

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:13:18 -0800 (PST), RangersSuck
wrote:

OK, the Kid Down The Street came to me with a project. He has to make
something with all SIX(!) simple machines.

So, I said to him, "There are only THREE simple machines. The lever,
the wheel and the inclined plane."

"No," he said, "there are SIX simple machines. The lever, the wheel
and axle, the wedge, the pulley, the screw and the inclined plane."

"Bull****!" says I, "A pulley is just a wheel (and maybe, when you add
in a rope, it's got a little lever mixed in), a wedge is just an
inclined plane and a screw is just an inclined plane wrapped around a
wheel."

"Look it up." says the Smart Ass Down The Street.

So, I googled "Simple Machines" and, lo and behold, it appears that
they are teaching kids about these SIX things - the original three
plus the three inbred cousins.

What the ****?

Don't feel bad. I had to learn all 7 vowels.... now they claim only
5....
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Gene wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:13:18 -0800 (PST), RangersSuck
wrote:

Don't feel bad. I had to learn all 7 vowels.... now they claim only
5....

What happened to the "sometimes Y and W"
From the late 30s till 1949 it was:
A E I O U and sometimes Y and W. :-)
...lew...

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:28:58 -0700, Lew Hartswick
wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:13:18 -0800 (PST), RangersSuck
wrote:

Don't feel bad. I had to learn all 7 vowels.... now they claim only
5....

What happened to the "sometimes Y and W"
From the late 30s till 1949 it was:
A E I O U and sometimes Y and W. :-)
...lew...
Never heard of "sometimes W"
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:28:58 -0700, Lew Hartswick
wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:13:18 -0800 (PST), RangersSuck
wrote:

Don't feel bad. I had to learn all 7 vowels.... now they claim only
5....

What happened to the "sometimes Y and W"
From the late 30s till 1949 it was:
A E I O U and sometimes Y and W. :-)
...lew...
Never heard of "sometimes W"
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

You probably had a better grade-school education than we did.

What they should have told us is that Y and W are consonants, but, because
of some spelling artifacts in standard English, they occasionally stand in
for certain vowels. They have no unique vowel sounds of their own. They just
fill in for others in some antique spellings.

That is, unless you're Welsh, in which case almost anything can be a vowel,
and the more of them you string together, the better. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:38:56 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote:

"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:28:58 -0700, Lew Hartswick
wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:13:18 -0800 (PST), RangersSuck
wrote:

Don't feel bad. I had to learn all 7 vowels.... now they claim only
5....

What happened to the "sometimes Y and W"
From the late 30s till 1949 it was:
A E I O U and sometimes Y and W. :-)
...lew...
Never heard of "sometimes W"
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

You probably had a better grade-school education than we did.

What they should have told us is that Y and W are consonants, but,
because of some spelling artifacts in standard English, they
occasionally stand in for certain vowels. They have no unique vowel
sounds of their own. They just fill in for others in some antique
spellings.

Such as "PYX"?
Mike in BC

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:38:56 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:28:58 -0700, Lew Hartswick
wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:13:18 -0800 (PST), RangersSuck
wrote:

Don't feel bad. I had to learn all 7 vowels.... now they claim only
5....

What happened to the "sometimes Y and W"
From the late 30s till 1949 it was:
A E I O U and sometimes Y and W. :-)
...lew...
Never heard of "sometimes W"
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

You probably had a better grade-school education than we did.

What they should have told us is that Y and W are consonants, but, because
of some spelling artifacts in standard English, they occasionally stand in
for certain vowels. They have no unique vowel sounds of their own. They just
fill in for others in some antique spellings.

That is, unless you're Welsh, in which case almost anything can be a vowel,
and the more of them you string together, the better. d8-)

You have a better argument with "W" than "Y." Actually, "Y" is pretty
common: cry, by, sky, why, wry, spy, gym, crypt, hymn, lynx, myth,
glyph, slyly, tryst, nymph, Gypsy, pygmy, flyby, syzygy, etc.

I grew up on a street named Twyckenham....
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Lew Hartswick wrote:

Gene wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:13:18 -0800 (PST), RangersSuck
wrote:

Don't feel bad. I had to learn all 7 vowels.... now they claim only
5....


What happened to the "sometimes Y and W"
From the late 30s till 1949 it was:
A E I O U and sometimes Y and W. :-)
...lew...


I was puzzled about why some speakers say "an historic event" and others
"a historic event".

I finally realized it depended on the speaker's dialect. If "historic"
is pronounced with very little of the "H" sound, ie "istoric", then the
vowel rule applies and "an" is used.

But if the "H" sound is there then the consonant rule applies and "a" is
used.

Jeff

--
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(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message
...
Lew Hartswick wrote:

Gene wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:13:18 -0800 (PST), RangersSuck
wrote:

Don't feel bad. I had to learn all 7 vowels.... now they claim only
5....


What happened to the "sometimes Y and W"
From the late 30s till 1949 it was:
A E I O U and sometimes Y and W. :-)
...lew...


I was puzzled about why some speakers say "an historic event" and others
"a historic event".

I finally realized it depended on the speaker's dialect. If "historic" is
pronounced with very little of the "H" sound, ie "istoric", then the vowel
rule applies and "an" is used.

But if the "H" sound is there then the consonant rule applies and "a" is
used.

Jeff

It's more likely to be the other way around, in England at least; the famous
h-droppers, the cockneys, wouldn't dream of saying "an hotel" or an
"historic site" but 'Queen's English' speakers do not drop the h and would
say "an hotel" or "an historic site".
Martin
--
martindot herewhybrowat herentlworlddot herecom

RangersSuck wrote:

OK, the Kid Down The Street came to me with a project. He has to make
something with all SIX(!) simple machines.

So, I said to him, "There are only THREE simple machines. The lever,
the wheel and the inclined plane."

"No," he said, "there are SIX simple machines. The lever, the wheel
and axle, the wedge, the pulley, the screw and the inclined plane."

"Bull****!" says I, "A pulley is just a wheel (and maybe, when you add
in a rope, it's got a little lever mixed in), a wedge is just an
inclined plane and a screw is just an inclined plane wrapped around a
wheel."

"Look it up." says the Smart Ass Down The Street.

So, I googled "Simple Machines" and, lo and behold, it appears that
they are teaching kids about these SIX things - the original three
plus the three inbred cousins.

What the ****?
I guess there are 2 (two) possible problems here.
1 The abominable education of our teachers and the other,
2 The posibility of the products of above procedures puting such
"information" on the internet. Especially the infamous
"Wickipedia", or however you spell it.
...lew...

"Lew Hartswick" wrote in message
m...
RangersSuck wrote:

OK, the Kid Down The Street came to me with a project. He has to make
something with all SIX(!) simple machines.

So, I said to him, "There are only THREE simple machines. The lever,
the wheel and the inclined plane."

"No," he said, "there are SIX simple machines. The lever, the wheel
and axle, the wedge, the pulley, the screw and the inclined plane."

"Bull****!" says I, "A pulley is just a wheel (and maybe, when you add
in a rope, it's got a little lever mixed in), a wedge is just an
inclined plane and a screw is just an inclined plane wrapped around a
wheel."

"Look it up." says the Smart Ass Down The Street.

So, I googled "Simple Machines" and, lo and behold, it appears that
they are teaching kids about these SIX things - the original three
plus the three inbred cousins.

What the ****?
I guess there are 2 (two) possible problems here.
1 The abominable education of our teachers and the other,
2 The posibility of the products of above procedures puting such
"information" on the internet. Especially the infamous
"Wickipedia", or however you spell it.
...lew...

Jesus, Lew, you're quick to dismiss teachers' educations.

"Y" can be a vowel (myth, glyph) and "w" can be a vowel (cow, in which ow is
a diphthong, but the w results in the same sound as a u). The cases of "y"
being a vowel are mostly spelling artifacts, in which a modern spelling
would result in the use of "i." The "w's" used as vowels are mostly
diphthongs.

Those facts are connected to the reason that they seldom do the "sometimes y
and sometimes w" thing these days. Both letters are overwhelmingly used as
consonants, and when they are used as vowels, it's in an odd usage that
usually represents an ancient spelling. One way to look at that is that they
are vowels only when they are used incorrectly according to today's rules of
spelling. d8-)

The English teachers today know what they're doing. *Our* English teachers
just weren't very clear thinkers. Most of them probably couldn't have given
the explanation above.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:

Jesus, Lew, you're quick to dismiss teachers' educations.

--
Ed Huntress

I married one 51 years ago while she was still an undergrad. :-)
...lew...

"Lew Hartswick" wrote in message
m...
Ed Huntress wrote:

Jesus, Lew, you're quick to dismiss teachers' educations.

--
Ed Huntress

I married one 51 years ago while she was still an undergrad. :-)
...lew...

You've got me beat. I've only had mine for 34 years and she's hardly broken
in. d8-)

However, she was a high-flying retail buyer in those days, who traveled to
Europe on fashion-buying trips. Now, at least I can count on her being home.

--
Ed Huntress

On Nov 23, 1:13*pm, RangersSuck wrote:
OK, the Kid Down The Street came to me with a project. He has to make
something with all SIX(!) simple machines.

So, I said to him, "There are only THREE simple machines. The lever,
the wheel and the inclined plane."

"No," he said, "there are SIX simple machines. The lever, the wheel
and axle, the wedge, the pulley, the screw and the inclined plane."

"Bull****!" says I, "A pulley is just a wheel (and maybe, when you add
in a rope, it's got a little lever mixed in), a wedge is just an
inclined plane and a screw is just an inclined plane wrapped around a
wheel."

"Look it up." says the Smart Ass Down The Street.

So, I googled "Simple Machines" and, lo and behold, it appears that
they are teaching kids about these SIX things - the original three
plus the three inbred cousins.

What the ****?

You can look for currently 28 (!) basic mechanisms.
The 28th being the Newbould Indexer.

Here is a some interesting reading on the 28th basic mechanism, and
how it came to be..

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb...d.php?t=159279

On Nov 23, 11:13*am, RangersSuck wrote:
OK, the Kid Down The Street came to me with a project. He has to make
something with all SIX(!) simple machines.

So, I said to him, "There are only THREE simple machines. The lever,
the wheel and the inclined plane."

"No," he said, "there are SIX simple machines. The lever, the wheel
and axle, the wedge, the pulley, the screw and the inclined plane."

"Bull****!" says I, "A pulley is just a wheel (and maybe, when you add
in a rope, it's got a little lever mixed in), a wedge is just an
inclined plane and a screw is just an inclined plane wrapped around a
wheel."

"Look it up." says the Smart Ass Down The Street.

So, I googled "Simple Machines" and, lo and behold, it appears that
they are teaching kids about these SIX things - the original three
plus the three inbred cousins.

What the ****?

A rose by a different name?

Do any of you machinists out there remember a number of years
ago (10? 20?) someone declared, and others agreed, there was a
new "Simple Machine" discovered?

IIRC it was a pair of roller bearings which were kept in contact by
an "S" shapped spring, and this measured "zero" rolling resistance
when used between two planes.

What ever happened to this idea? I never saw it developed.

dennis
in nca

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:53:55 -0800 (PST), rigger
wrote:

On Nov 23, 11:13*am, RangersSuck wrote:
OK, the Kid Down The Street came to me with a project. He has to make
something with all SIX(!) simple machines.

So, I said to him, "There are only THREE simple machines. The lever,
the wheel and the inclined plane."

"No," he said, "there are SIX simple machines. The lever, the wheel
and axle, the wedge, the pulley, the screw and the inclined plane."

"Bull****!" says I, "A pulley is just a wheel (and maybe, when you add
in a rope, it's got a little lever mixed in), a wedge is just an
inclined plane and a screw is just an inclined plane wrapped around a
wheel."

"Look it up." says the Smart Ass Down The Street.

So, I googled "Simple Machines" and, lo and behold, it appears that
they are teaching kids about these SIX things - the original three
plus the three inbred cousins.

What the ****?

A rose by a different name?

Do any of you machinists out there remember a number of years
ago (10? 20?) someone declared, and others agreed, there was a
new "Simple Machine" discovered?

IIRC it was a pair of roller bearings which were kept in contact by
an "S" shapped spring, and this measured "zero" rolling resistance
when used between two planes.

What ever happened to this idea? I never saw it developed.

dennis
in nca

I don't call myself a machinist, but I remember that thing... it could
be used for a thermostat among other things. I'd guess more than 20
years ago.

Ah, thanks to Google.. the "Rolamite", ca. 1968 (40 years!):

http://www.rexresearch.com/wilkes/1wilkes.htm#me

On Nov 24, 9:22*am, Spehro Pefhany
wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:53:55 -0800 (PST), rigger
wrote:





On Nov 23, 11:13*am, RangersSuck wrote:
OK, the Kid Down The Street came to me with a project. He has to make
something with all SIX(!) simple machines.

So, I said to him, "There are only THREE simple machines. The lever,
the wheel and the inclined plane."

"No," he said, "there are SIX simple machines. The lever, the wheel
and axle, the wedge, the pulley, the screw and the inclined plane."

"Bull****!" says I, "A pulley is just a wheel (and maybe, when you add
in a rope, it's got a little lever mixed in), a wedge is just an
inclined plane and a screw is just an inclined plane wrapped around a
wheel."

"Look it up." says the Smart Ass Down The Street.

So, I googled "Simple Machines" and, lo and behold, it appears that
they are teaching kids about these SIX things - the original three
plus the three inbred cousins.

What the ****?

A rose by a different name?

Do any of you machinists out there remember a number of years
ago (10? 20?) someone declared, and others agreed, there was a
new "Simple Machine" discovered?

IIRC it was a pair of roller bearings which were kept in contact by
an "S" shapped spring, and this measured "zero" rolling resistance
when used between two planes.

What ever happened to this idea? *I never saw it developed.

dennis
in nca

I don't call myself a machinist, but I remember that thing... it could
be used for a thermostat among other things. I'd guess more than 20
years ago.

Ah, thanks to Google.. the "Rolamite", ca. 1968 (40 years!):

http://www.rexresearch.com/wilkes/1wilkes.htm#me- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks for the reference Spehro. My, time really does fly I guess.
This is the article I remembered:

Popular Science (March 1966)
"Frictionless Machines from Rollers & Bands"
by
Harry Walton

Surprisingly few applications are noted. I guess the features
may have been supplanted by newer ideas. Or it may only
have been overlooked?

dennis
in nca

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
...
Ah, thanks to Google.. the "Rolamite", ca. 1968 (40 years!):


What a neat mechanism! I'm most impressed with all the variations they
thought of. But I've never seen one in a product (and I've taken apart
a lot of stuff). There must be some drawback(s) that limits their use
(if any) to apps where low friction is critical.

Bob

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:17:44 -0500, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
...
Ah, thanks to Google.. the "Rolamite", ca. 1968 (40 years!):
http://www.rexresearch.com/wilkes/1wilkes.htm

What a neat mechanism! I'm most impressed with all the variations they
thought of. But I've never seen one in a product (and I've taken apart
a lot of stuff). There must be some drawback(s) that limits their use
(if any) to apps where low friction is critical.

They were commercially available, but an expensive specialty item,
when I worked with some in the early 80's. (I wrote software for
computer-controlled centrifuge equipment, to simulate Minuteman
III launch profiles and see if the rolamites activated at the
right times during launch.) I doubt that the price ever got low
enough for non-military designers to consider them.

--
jiw

In article , rigger wrote:
On Nov 23, 11:13=A0am, RangersSuck wrote:
OK, the Kid Down The Street came to me with a project. He has to make
something with all SIX(!) simple machines.

So, I said to him, "There are only THREE simple machines. The lever,
the wheel and the inclined plane."

"No," he said, "there are SIX simple machines. The lever, the wheel
and axle, the wedge, the pulley, the screw and the inclined plane."

"Bull****!" says I, "A pulley is just a wheel (and maybe, when you add
in a rope, it's got a little lever mixed in), a wedge is just an
inclined plane and a screw is just an inclined plane wrapped around a
wheel."

"Look it up." says the Smart Ass Down The Street.

So, I googled "Simple Machines" and, lo and behold, it appears that
they are teaching kids about these SIX things - the original three
plus the three inbred cousins.

What the ****?

A rose by a different name?

There are only *two*. Not three. Not six. Two: The inclined plane, and the
lever. The others are all special cases of one or the other of those, in that
exactly the same principle is used:
- the wheel and axle is a lever in rotary motion
- so is the pulley
- the screw is an inclined plane wrapped around a cylinder
- the wedge is an inclined plane stood on its point

"Doug Miller" wrote in message In article , rigger
wrote:
On Nov 23, 11:13=A0am, RangersSuck wrote:
OK, the Kid Down The Street came to me with a project.
He has to make
something with all SIX(!) simple machines.

So, I said to him, "There are only THREE simple
machines. The lever,
the wheel and the inclined plane."

"No," he said, "there are SIX simple machines. The
lever, the wheel
and axle, the wedge, the pulley, the screw and the
inclined plane."

"Bull****!" says I, "A pulley is just a wheel (and
maybe, when you add
in a rope, it's got a little lever mixed in), a wedge
is just an
inclined plane and a screw is just an inclined plane
wrapped around a
wheel."

"Look it up." says the Smart Ass Down The Street.

So, I googled "Simple Machines" and, lo and behold, it
appears that
they are teaching kids about these SIX things - the
original three
plus the three inbred cousins.

What the ****?

A rose by a different name?

There are only *two*. Not three. Not six. Two: The
inclined plane, and the
lever. The others are all special cases of one or the
other of those, in that
exactly the same principle is used:
- the wheel and axle is a lever in rotary motion
- so is the pulley
- the screw is an inclined plane wrapped around a cylinder
- the wedge is an inclined plane stood on its point

So where is the fulcrum point on a wheel and axle? A lever
needs to
have a fulcrum point to work......
phil

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:37:43 -0500, Phil Kangas wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message In article , rigger
wrote:
On Nov 23, 11:13=A0am, RangersSuck wrote:
OK, the Kid Down The Street came to me with a project.
He has to make
something with all SIX(!) simple machines.

So, I said to him, "There are only THREE simple
machines. The lever,
the wheel and the inclined plane."

"No," he said, "there are SIX simple machines. The
lever, the wheel
and axle, the wedge, the pulley, the screw and the
inclined plane."

"Bull****!" says I, "A pulley is just a wheel (and
maybe, when you add
in a rope, it's got a little lever mixed in), a wedge
is just an
inclined plane and a screw is just an inclined plane
wrapped around a
wheel."

"Look it up." says the Smart Ass Down The Street.

So, I googled "Simple Machines" and, lo and behold, it
appears that
they are teaching kids about these SIX things - the
original three
plus the three inbred cousins.

What the ****?

A rose by a different name?

There are only *two*. Not three. Not six. Two: The
inclined plane, and the
lever. The others are all special cases of one or the
other of those, in that
exactly the same principle is used:
- the wheel and axle is a lever in rotary motion
- so is the pulley
- the screw is an inclined plane wrapped around a cylinder
- the wedge is an inclined plane stood on its point

So where is the fulcrum point on a wheel and axle? A lever
needs to
have a fulcrum point to work......
phil

At the axle.

In article , "Phil Kangas" wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message In article , rigger
wrote:

There are only *two*. Not three. Not six. Two: The
inclined plane, and the
lever. The others are all special cases of one or the
other of those, in that
exactly the same principle is used:
- the wheel and axle is a lever in rotary motion
- so is the pulley
- the screw is an inclined plane wrapped around a cylinder
- the wedge is an inclined plane stood on its point

So where is the fulcrum point on a wheel and axle? A lever
needs to
have a fulcrum point to work......

The centerline of the axle, of course.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message In article , "Phil
Kangas" wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message In article , rigger

wrote:

There are only *two*. Not three. Not six. Two: The
inclined plane, and the
lever. The others are all special cases of one or the
other of those, in that
exactly the same principle is used:
- the wheel and axle is a lever in rotary motion
- so is the pulley
- the screw is an inclined plane wrapped around a
cylinder
- the wedge is an inclined plane stood on its point

So where is the fulcrum point on a wheel and axle? A
lever
needs to
have a fulcrum point to work......

The centerline of the axle, of course.

In that case it is only the radius of the wheel. A lever
_must_ have
three points of interest to be labeled a lever. The point of
application,
the fulcrum point and the resultant point. A lever can be
attached to
a wheel by connecting it at 'two' points, not just one. One
point
is the fulcrum and the other is the resultant point. Lever,
wheel,
separate items. I'm surprised no one has come up with a
simple
assembly that uses all _three_ machines in a demo! Nothing
but
blabber about the alphabet.
phil

They forgot the Turing Machine.

--
Paul Hovnanian
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Have gnu, will travel.

Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
They forgot the Turing Machine.

And the State Machine, Democratic Machine, Mr. Machine, Espresso Machine,
Wayback Machine, _Time Machine_ ...

--Winston Machine

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:52:31 -0800, the infamous Winston
scrawled the following:

Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
They forgot the Turing Machine.

And the State Machine, Democratic Machine, Mr. Machine, Espresso Machine,
Wayback Machine, _Time Machine_ ...

--Winston Machine

Don't forget Mann and Machine, poo. I loved the teeny perts on that
robot. Yancy Butler is a fox!

Good here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKdKo5SFmvc

Better he http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrER9RzcWbo&NR=1

/Hounddog Jake

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Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight
very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands.
It hopes we've learned something from yesterday.
--John Wayne (1907 - 1979)