http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...es/#more-20006

On 2008-09-23, Cydrome Leader wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...es/#more-20006

Great webpage!

``The Verdict: Misleading. While Obama has supported some measures to
limit gun rights, he has backed nothing on the scale suggested in the
[NRA] ad.''

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Ignoramus21403 wrote:
On 2008-09-23, Cydrome Leader wrote:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...es/#more-20006


Great webpage!

As an outsider, I don't think I get why Obama is so popular. He's run a
very well organised campaign, and has created a good image for himself,
but is that it? I don't see a lot of substance there, but it could just
be that I don't live in the US.

I am perhaps a little wary of campaigns which heavily rely on image. The
last one here in England was the Labour campaign of 1997, after which
Tony Blair became Prime Minister. These days, that Labour adminstration
is not viewed with a lot of respect, because it spent a lot of time
talking convincely, but little time achieving anything. I just have a
fear that Obama could turn into an American version of that.

Chris

Christopher Tidy wrote in
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As an outsider, I don't think I get why Obama is so popular. He's run a
very well organised campaign, and has created a good image for himself,
but is that it? I don't see a lot of substance there, but it could just
be that I don't live in the US.

Not at all: all that Obama has is "image" - no "Substance" at all.


I am perhaps a little wary of campaigns which heavily rely on image. The
last one here in England was the Labour campaign of 1997, after which
Tony Blair became Prime Minister. These days, that Labour adminstration
is not viewed with a lot of respect, because it spent a lot of time
talking convincely, but little time achieving anything. I just have a
fear that Obama could turn into an American version of that.


Your fear is well grounded and shared by many, including ME!


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"Christopher Tidy" wrote in message
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Ignoramus21403 wrote:
On 2008-09-23, Cydrome Leader wrote:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...es/#more-20006


Great webpage!

As an outsider, I don't think I get why Obama is so popular. He's run a
very well organised campaign, and has created a good image for himself,
but is that it? I don't see a lot of substance there, but it could just be
that I don't live in the US.

I am perhaps a little wary of campaigns which heavily rely on image. The
last one here in England was the Labour campaign of 1997, after which Tony
Blair became Prime Minister. These days, that Labour adminstration is not
viewed with a lot of respect, because it spent a lot of time talking
convincely, but little time achieving anything. I just have a fear that
Obama could turn into an American version of that.

Chris

It's possible, and even those of us who are impressed by him recognize that
possibility. But, to me, he sounds like he has the right stuff to be
president at this time. There's a lot more going on there than his image.
There's also one of the best-managed campaigns in recent history, and a
sense you get from his associates, former students, and other law professors
that he has an excellent approach to decision-making. He certainly turned
back one of the biggest juggernauts in the campaign -- and Democrats, unlike
Republicans, don't resent Hillary Clinton.

But there isn't a lot of experience to support it. You have to be willing to
take some risk to support him.

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On 2008-09-24, Ed Huntress wrote:

"Christopher Tidy" wrote in message
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Ignoramus21403 wrote:
On 2008-09-23, Cydrome Leader wrote:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...es/#more-20006


Great webpage!

As an outsider, I don't think I get why Obama is so popular. He's run a
very well organised campaign, and has created a good image for himself,
but is that it? I don't see a lot of substance there, but it could just be
that I don't live in the US.

I am perhaps a little wary of campaigns which heavily rely on image. The
last one here in England was the Labour campaign of 1997, after which Tony
Blair became Prime Minister. These days, that Labour adminstration is not
viewed with a lot of respect, because it spent a lot of time talking
convincely, but little time achieving anything. I just have a fear that
Obama could turn into an American version of that.

Chris

It's possible, and even those of us who are impressed by him recognize that
possibility. But, to me, he sounds like he has the right stuff to be
president at this time. There's a lot more going on there than his image.
There's also one of the best-managed campaigns in recent history, and a
sense you get from his associates, former students, and other law professors
that he has an excellent approach to decision-making. He certainly turned
back one of the biggest juggernauts in the campaign -- and Democrats, unlike
Republicans, don't resent Hillary Clinton.

But there isn't a lot of experience to support it. You have to be willing to
take some risk to support him.


Obama seems to be a bright and thoughtful guy who can organize things
very well and pay attention to details. Exact opposite of McCain.

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On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:52:56 -0500, Ignoramus21403
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Obama seems to be a bright and thoughtful guy who can organize things
very well and pay attention to details. Exact opposite of McCain.


I wonder if he can name of the capitals of all 57 states?

Ive got a neighbor down the street, who is obsessive compulsive. His
house is VERY well organized.

Other than that...he is an utter retard.

Like Obamassiah


Gunner

Ed Huntress wrote:
"Christopher Tidy" wrote in message
...

Ignoramus21403 wrote:

On 2008-09-23, Cydrome Leader wrote:


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...es/#more-20006


Great webpage!

As an outsider, I don't think I get why Obama is so popular. He's run a
very well organised campaign, and has created a good image for himself,
but is that it? I don't see a lot of substance there, but it could just be
that I don't live in the US.

I am perhaps a little wary of campaigns which heavily rely on image. The
last one here in England was the Labour campaign of 1997, after which Tony
Blair became Prime Minister. These days, that Labour adminstration is not
viewed with a lot of respect, because it spent a lot of time talking
convincely, but little time achieving anything. I just have a fear that
Obama could turn into an American version of that.

Chris


It's possible, and even those of us who are impressed by him recognize that
possibility. But, to me, he sounds like he has the right stuff to be
president at this time. There's a lot more going on there than his image.
There's also one of the best-managed campaigns in recent history, and a
sense you get from his associates, former students, and other law professors
that he has an excellent approach to decision-making. He certainly turned
back one of the biggest juggernauts in the campaign -- and Democrats, unlike
Republicans, don't resent Hillary Clinton.

But there isn't a lot of experience to support it. You have to be willing to
take some risk to support him.

Well it'll be interesting to see how it turns out. Truth of the matter
is, there's a reasonable chance that either could be a bad leader.

Chris

As an outsider, I don't think I get why Obama is so popular. He's run a
very well organised campaign, and has created a good image for himself,
but is that it? I don't see a lot of substance there, but it could just be
that I don't live in the US.

I am perhaps a little wary of campaigns which heavily rely on image. The
last one here in England was the Labour campaign of 1997, after which Tony
Blair became Prime Minister. These days, that Labour adminstration is not
viewed with a lot of respect, because it spent a lot of time talking
convincely, but little time achieving anything. I just have a fear that
Obama could turn into an American version of that.

Chris

Perception is all that counts in the "Good 'ol USA". He has changed his
story so many times, says what's convenient/expedient at the time/place he's
at.

McCain is another rich guy who has no concept of a wage earner life.



The US has the best government money can buy.

"Ignoramus21403" wrote in message
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On 2008-09-23, Cydrome Leader wrote:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...es/#more-20006

Great webpage!

``The Verdict: Misleading. While Obama has supported some measures to
limit gun rights, he has backed nothing on the scale suggested in the
[NRA] ad.''

You should see this month's issue of _American Rifleman_. Yup, Obama really
is the antichrist. g

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Ignoramus21403
Cydrome Leader

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...eck-does-obama...

``The Verdict: Misleading. While Obama has supported some measures to
limit gun rights, he has backed nothing on the scale suggested in the
[NRA] ad.''

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...f_Barack_Obama

"As a state legislator in Illinois, Obama supported banning the sale
or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic firearms, increasing state
restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms"

"He supported a "ban" on the sale and possession of handguns on
a political questionnaire."

"In 1999, he urged for prohibiting the operation of any gun store
within five miles of a school or park, which according to gun-rights
advocates would eliminate gun stores from most of the inhabited
portion of the United States."

"He sponsored a bill in 2000 limiting handgun purchases to one
per month."

"As state senator, he voted against a 2004 measure that allowed
self-defense as an affirmative defense to those charged with
violating
local laws making it otherwise unlawful for such persons to possess
firearms."

"He also voted against allowing persons who had obtained domestic
violence protective orders to carry handguns for their protection."

"While in the US Senate, Obama has supported several gun control
measures, including restricting the purchase of firearms at gun shows
and the reauthorization of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban."

"Obama voted against legislation protecting firearm manufacturers
from certain liability suits, which gun-rights advocates say are
designed
to bankrupt the firearms industry."

"Obama has also stated his opposition to allowing citizens to carry
concealed firearms and supports a national law outlawing the
practice."

Ed Stasiak wrote:
Ignoramus21403
Cydrome Leader

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...eck-does-obama...

``The Verdict: Misleading. While Obama has supported some measures to
limit gun rights, he has backed nothing on the scale suggested in the
[NRA] ad.''

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...f_Barack_Obama

"As a state legislator in Illinois, Obama supported banning the sale
or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic firearms, increasing state
restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms"

"He supported a "ban" on the sale and possession of handguns on
a political questionnaire."

"In 1999, he urged for prohibiting the operation of any gun store
within five miles of a school or park, which according to gun-rights
advocates would eliminate gun stores from most of the inhabited
portion of the United States."

"He sponsored a bill in 2000 limiting handgun purchases to one
per month."

"As state senator, he voted against a 2004 measure that allowed
self-defense as an affirmative defense to those charged with
violating
local laws making it otherwise unlawful for such persons to possess
firearms."

"He also voted against allowing persons who had obtained domestic
violence protective orders to carry handguns for their protection."

"While in the US Senate, Obama has supported several gun control
measures, including restricting the purchase of firearms at gun shows
and the reauthorization of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban."

"Obama voted against legislation protecting firearm manufacturers
from certain liability suits, which gun-rights advocates say are
designed
to bankrupt the firearms industry."

"Obama has also stated his opposition to allowing citizens to carry
concealed firearms and supports a national law outlawing the
practice."

I like this story too

http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdo...hdog25.article

whoops, $100,000 given to a buddy was wasted/lost.