I picked up a "Wells Cargo" type trailer a little while back, didnt
have a spare tire

Contacted the manufacture..they say its a 14" 5x 4 1/2

Anyone know what that lug pattern fits..IE Ford/Chevy etc etc?

I need to get a spare tire and wheel at the wrecking yard, but dont
know what will fit.


Thanks

Gunner

"Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it,
or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:28:42 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

I picked up a "Wells Cargo" type trailer a little while back, didnt
have a spare tire

Contacted the manufacture..they say its a 14" 5x 4 1/2

Anyone know what that lug pattern fits..IE Ford/Chevy etc etc?

I need to get a spare tire and wheel at the wrecking yard, but dont
know what will fit.

Go look on the rims you have for the stamped-in markings, the rim
profile tells you what it interchanges with. It'll be something like
14X5JJ and there will be a load rating right there too.

Get that info, and the tire size info off the tongue data plate (the
rim profile might be there too!) and the wrecking yard monkeys can
find you another rim with a matching profile and offset, and a
matching or higher load rating.

On a trailer you usually want a rear-drive car profile, because the
offset is negative - centered. Front-drive cars tend to have positive
offset with the hubs pushed toward the outside of the tire - put
positive offset rims on a trailer and the tire sits too far in, and
starts rubbing on the fenders, frame, spring hangers...

For tires, if the one that's on the rim is "Past it's Sell By Date"
and showing age checking or full on rot, go get a Special Trailer tire
for it - Grand American Tire has been running full-page ads in the
Daily News, and the prices look real good. You need a ST bias-ply
tire to handle right.

Then again, if you look around online you can usually find the ST
tire and a white spoke rim for $10 more than just the tire by itself.
And new bare rims for $20 - $40, almost not worth messing with used.

(By the way, News Flash - Northern Tool's website sucks rocks for
finding a certain tire or rim, sort by price doesn't help much.)

Mount the spare on the outside - tongue, side, or underneath.
Murphy's Law says you'll only get a flat when the spare is buried
inside under a ton of loose crap, and it'll take you an extra hour to
dig for it - and then you have to put everything back.

-- Bruce --

"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote:

....
Mount the spare on the outside - tongue, side, or underneath.
Murphy's Law says you'll only get a flat when the spare is buried
inside under a ton of loose crap, and it'll take you an extra hour to
dig for it - and then you have to put everything back.

A better place is to mount the spare on the inside of a swinging side
door. That way it's protected from the sun and thieves, but won't get
buried either.

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:30:46 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote:

...
Mount the spare on the outside - tongue, side, or underneath.
Murphy's Law says you'll only get a flat when the spare is buried
inside under a ton of loose crap, and it'll take you an extra hour to
dig for it - and then you have to put everything back.

A better place is to mount the spare on the inside of a swinging side
door. That way it's protected from the sun and thieves, but won't get
buried either.


No sidedoor. Its only 5x8

Id planned on putting a carrier on the tongue.

Gunner

"Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it,
or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:30:46 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote:

...
Mount the spare on the outside - tongue, side, or underneath.
Murphy's Law says you'll only get a flat when the spare is buried
inside under a ton of loose crap, and it'll take you an extra hour to
dig for it - and then you have to put everything back.

A better place is to mount the spare on the inside of a swinging side
door. That way it's protected from the sun and thieves, but won't get
buried either.

No sidedoor. Its only 5x8

Id planned on putting a carrier on the tongue.

Swinging back door, or ramp?

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:17:08 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:



No sidedoor. Its only 5x8

Id planned on putting a carrier on the tongue.

Gunner


Welded on?

BEG


Mark Rand(running)
RTFM

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:55:39 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:30:46 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote:

...
Mount the spare on the outside - tongue, side, or underneath.
Murphy's Law says you'll only get a flat when the spare is buried
inside under a ton of loose crap, and it'll take you an extra hour to
dig for it - and then you have to put everything back.

A better place is to mount the spare on the inside of a swinging side
door. That way it's protected from the sun and thieves, but won't get
buried either.

No sidedoor. Its only 5x8

Id planned on putting a carrier on the tongue.

Swinging back door, or ramp?


Swinging back door, not particuarly thick, a pair of decent hinges and
closure. Id be concerned about pulling any reasonable fastening
system out of the door because of tire weight/vibration, though it is
an idea. I dont know what the door core is made of.

Tongue is the obvious place, frame is well made.


"Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it,
or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:17:08 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:30:46 -0500, "Pete C." wrote:
"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote:

Mount the spare on the outside - tongue, side, or underneath.
Murphy's Law says you'll only get a flat when the spare is buried
inside under a ton of loose crap, and it'll take you an extra hour to
dig for it - and then you have to put everything back.

A better place is to mount the spare on the inside of a swinging side
door. That way it's protected from the sun and thieves, but won't get
buried either.

No sidedoor. Its only 5x8

Id planned on putting a carrier on the tongue.

Gunner

Just to be sure it stays on this time, would you like me to come
over and weld it? You and spare tire mounts... ;-P

Grinning, ducking, and heading off to do some work. And you know
better than to drink while reading Usenet, so "Not Responsible for
Damaged Keyboards and Monitors." Turn your head before you spew.

-- Bruce --

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:55:39 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:30:46 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote:

...
Mount the spare on the outside - tongue, side, or underneath.
Murphy's Law says you'll only get a flat when the spare is buried
inside under a ton of loose crap, and it'll take you an extra hour to
dig for it - and then you have to put everything back.

A better place is to mount the spare on the inside of a swinging side
door. That way it's protected from the sun and thieves, but won't get
buried either.

No sidedoor. Its only 5x8

Id planned on putting a carrier on the tongue.

Swinging back door, or ramp?

Swinging back door, not particuarly thick, a pair of decent hinges and
closure. Id be concerned about pulling any reasonable fastening
system out of the door because of tire weight/vibration, though it is
an idea. I dont know what the door core is made of.

You can weld up a simple mount support inside that attaches at the hinge
connections with longer bolts and nylocks. That way all the load is
applied directly metal to metal to the hinges and not to the door
itself. Think a simple right triangle of square tube stock. With it
mounted internal, it won't go anywhere even if a weld fails (ducking).

Contacted the manufacture..they say its a 14" * 5x 4 1/2

Late 80's - early 90's Ford Ranger, for one (they changed to 15's
sometime in the late 90's or early 00's, and to a metric designation
which oddly enough measures the same). The backspacing may or may not
work, and you'll need to double check the pilot diameter, but at least
for the stud spacing itself you should be good to go. (Come on, you
own rangers, and you didn't think to hold one up and see?

--Glenn Lyford

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:33:35 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:55:39 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:30:46 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote:

...
Mount the spare on the outside - tongue, side, or underneath.
Murphy's Law says you'll only get a flat when the spare is buried
inside under a ton of loose crap, and it'll take you an extra hour to
dig for it - and then you have to put everything back.

A better place is to mount the spare on the inside of a swinging side
door. That way it's protected from the sun and thieves, but won't get
buried either.

No sidedoor. Its only 5x8

Id planned on putting a carrier on the tongue.

Swinging back door, or ramp?

Swinging back door, not particuarly thick, a pair of decent hinges and
closure. Id be concerned about pulling any reasonable fastening
system out of the door because of tire weight/vibration, though it is
an idea. I dont know what the door core is made of.

You can weld up a simple mount support inside that attaches at the hinge
connections with longer bolts and nylocks. That way all the load is
applied directly metal to metal to the hinges and not to the door
itself. Think a simple right triangle of square tube stock. With it
mounted internal, it won't go anywhere even if a weld fails (ducking).


True enough. Reflexive cringe in your direction.

G

Gunner
"Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it,
or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:30:21 +0100, Mark Rand
wrote:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:17:08 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:



No sidedoor. Its only 5x8

Id planned on putting a carrier on the tongue.

Gunner


Welded on?

BEG


Mark Rand(running)
RTFM


sigh.....


"Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it,
or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:23:38 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

Contacted the manufacture..they say its a 14" * 5x 4 1/2

Late 80's - early 90's Ford Ranger, for one (they changed to 15's
sometime in the late 90's or early 00's, and to a metric designation
which oddly enough measures the same). The backspacing may or may not
work, and you'll need to double check the pilot diameter, but at least
for the stud spacing itself you should be good to go. (Come on, you
own rangers, and you didn't think to hold one up and see?

--Glenn Lyford


Way cool..Ive Ranger wheels and tires up the ying yang. However they
are not in the same place as the trailer...and the current ranger is
15".

The Black Beauty is 14", and Im sure Ive got wheels to fit it.
(94 Mazda B3000, 440,000 miles, awaiting a new engine.

Gunner

"Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it,
or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,

Gunner Asch wrote:

Id planned on putting a carrier on the tongue.

On my open trailer, I can get the spare to slip over the tongue jack handle and down the
body to rest on he tounge triangle..

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:28:42 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

I picked up a "Wells Cargo" type trailer a little while back, didnt
have a spare tire

Contacted the manufacture..they say its a 14" 5x 4 1/2

Anyone know what that lug pattern fits..IE Ford/Chevy etc etc?

I need to get a spare tire and wheel at the wrecking yard, but dont
know what will fit.


Thanks

Gunner

"Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it,
or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,

My tire handbook shows that all Mazda pickups from 1996 to 2005 have a
5 on 114.3mm (4.5") pattern. The J or JJ or whatever only refers to
the rim profile; not a concern unless it is going over disc brake
calipers. You will need to check the center hole.

Early Ford and Chryslers had 5 on 4.5 also.

--Andy Asberry--
------Texas-----

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:30:17 -0500, Andy Asberry
wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:28:42 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

I picked up a "Wells Cargo" type trailer a little while back, didnt
have a spare tire

Contacted the manufacture..they say its a 14" 5x 4 1/2

Anyone know what that lug pattern fits..IE Ford/Chevy etc etc?

I need to get a spare tire and wheel at the wrecking yard, but dont
know what will fit.


Thanks

Gunner

"Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it,
or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,

My tire handbook shows that all Mazda pickups from 1996 to 2005 have a
5 on 114.3mm (4.5") pattern. The J or JJ or whatever only refers to
the rim profile; not a concern unless it is going over disc brake
calipers. You will need to check the center hole.

Early Ford and Chryslers had 5 on 4.5 also.
Likewise Chevy Lumina APV (1990)
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada