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There is much consternation about CEO salaries, but not as much clear
thinking. The argument that suggests that CEOs in public companies are "overpaid" is based on visibly very high salaries, and the ssumption that CEOs wield so much influence over boards and compensation committees, that they are able to "negotiate" overly generous compensations. That assumption may or may not be true. TO find out whether it is true is actually very easy. All one needs to do is compare CEO salaries in public companies, with CEO salaries in comparable non-public (privately owned) companies, where the owner is not the CEO. Presumably, the private owners who hire CEOs negotiate their salaries at "arm's length" and the private company CEO salary is a good indicator of what is fair. Since I am unlikely to have come up with such a simple comparison idea first, some studies must have been done to this effect. Is anyone aware of any such comparisons? i |
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"Ignoramus14968" wrote in message ... Is anyone aware of any such comparisons? Did you accidently post this to the wrong group Ig? Vaughn |
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You know this subject is really off topic and by playing this game, you are
actually feeding the trolls like Hawke and Millright Ron. Please do this elsewhere. Steve "Ignoramus14968" wrote in message ... There is much consternation about CEO salaries, but not as much clear thinking. The argument that suggests that CEOs in public companies are "overpaid" is based on visibly very high salaries, and the ssumption that CEOs wield so much influence over boards and compensation committees, that they are able to "negotiate" overly generous compensations. That assumption may or may not be true. TO find out whether it is true is actually very easy. All one needs to do is compare CEO salaries in public companies, with CEO salaries in comparable non-public (privately owned) companies, where the owner is not the CEO. Presumably, the private owners who hire CEOs negotiate their salaries at "arm's length" and the private company CEO salary is a good indicator of what is fair. Since I am unlikely to have come up with such a simple comparison idea first, some studies must have been done to this effect. Is anyone aware of any such comparisons? i |
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"Ignoramus14968" wrote in message ... There is much consternation about CEO salaries, but not as much clear thinking. The argument that suggests that CEOs in public companies are "overpaid" is based on visibly very high salaries, and the ssumption that CEOs wield so much influence over boards and compensation committees, that they are able to "negotiate" overly generous compensations. That assumption may or may not be true. TO find out whether it is true is actually very easy. All one needs to do is compare CEO salaries in public companies, with CEO salaries in comparable non-public (privately owned) companies, where the owner is not the CEO. Presumably, the private owners who hire CEOs negotiate their salaries at "arm's length" and the private company CEO salary is a good indicator of what is fair. Since I am unlikely to have come up with such a simple comparison idea first, some studies must have been done to this effect. Is anyone aware of any such comparisons? i Iggy, Being the president and CEO of Fraser Competition Engines LLC. All I can entertain is I'll never be off road racing with Skilling, Hob-knobbing with Mr. Gates in a Cessna Citation, Matter of fact my operating capital and bonus ledger lines come from the change I shake loose from the cracks of my couch. Funny thing going from being the vice president of a Chicago based bank division to where I am today in my engine shops. I would have opted to retain the corporate nipple to suckle from. There is so much greed and corruption it pandemic to see and worse to see nothing really being done until pensions are raided. Enter the FBI. Frankly, I'm still happier with a tig torch and jeans than an Armani suit and a bull**** TPS report and swingline stapler. My comparison off topic, off color but you know I'm not all there anyhow. Take a look at January's Crain's Chicago. Your point is addressed rather well in an article there in. ** Respects and I'm back! The cancer did not kill me yet. I bought a new CR250 dirt bike and a 7 cell parachute to do that! *** Rob Fraser Fraser Competition Engines Chicago, IL. 312.213.9454 |
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On Mar 9, 11:30*am, "Steve Lusardi" wrote:
You know this subject is really off topic and by playing this game, you are actually feeding the trolls like Hawke and Millright Ron. Please do this elsewhere. Steve "Ignoramus14968" wrote in message ... There is much consternation about CEO salaries, but not as much clear thinking. The argument that suggests that CEOs in public companies are "overpaid" is based on visibly very high salaries, and the ssumption that CEOs wield so much influence over boards and compensation committees, that they are able to "negotiate" overly generous compensations. That assumption may or may not be true. TO find out whether it is true is actually very easy. All one needs to do is compare CEO salaries in public companies, with CEO salaries in comparable non-public (privately owned) companies, where the owner is not the CEO. Presumably, the private owners who hire CEOs negotiate their salaries at "arm's length" and the private company CEO salary is a good indicator of what is fair. Since I am unlikely to have come up with such a simple comparison idea first, some studies must have been done to this effect. Is anyone aware of any such comparisons? i- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - True..it is off topic but he can preface the title with a big OT and anyone who has no interest can move on to the next posting. It is a timely topic that will gather great interest as this Country slides into a significant recession. TMT |
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**It is a timely topic that will gather great interest as this Country
slides into a significant recession.** I'm down 30% from last year- a lot of my clients are Union craftstsmen and construction guys who raced for fun. I know a lot of them who have not had work in months, sold off all the toys and some are losing the house as well. Hold on kids this is gonna be a hell of a ride! TMT is right.. Rob |
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Oh. We all have to eat, too, so why not have recipes on this NG?
Start a "sliding into recession" NG and leave this one to metalworking, please. If your reasoning pervades, then maybe ALL NG's should combine into one on the theory that there's always somebody who might be interested in whatever someone else might have to say on any subject. Pete Stanaitis ----------------------- True..it is off topic but he can preface the title with a big OT and anyone who has no interest can move on to the next posting. It is a timely topic that will gather great interest as this Country slides into a significant recession. TMT |
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On Mar 9, 5:02*pm, spaco wrote:
Oh. *We all have to eat, too, so why not have recipes on this NG? Start a "sliding into recession" NG and leave this one to metalworking, please. If your reasoning pervades, then maybe ALL NG's should combine into one on the theory that there's always somebody who might be interested in whatever someone else might have to say on any subject. Pete Stanaitis ----------------------- True..it is off topic but he can preface the title with a big OT and anyone who has no interest can move on to the next posting. It is a timely topic that will gather great interest as this Country slides into a significant recession. TMT- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You are right...recipes have their place...I would preface them with a big OT of course. How does one prepare CEOs? I would assume that that there would be plenty of fat and crap to trim off before cooking and then they would taste like chicken while giving one plenty of gas. TMT |
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Steve Lusardi wrote:
You know this subject is really off topic and by playing this game, you are actually feeding the trolls like Hawke and Millright Ron. Please do this elsewhere. Steve Seconded. How's that homemade TIG welder doing, Iggy? |
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spaco wrote:
Oh. We all have to eat, too, so why not have recipes on this NG? Do you have any for over the hill troll? or isn't there enough tenderizer on earth? Maybe troll jerky, made from jerk trolls? -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Rob Fraser wrote:
** Respects and I'm back! The cancer did not kill me yet. Good for you. My dad has been in the hospital for two weeks tomorrow, where they had to remove about half of his colon, due to two cancerous growths. They still haven't said when he can go home. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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"Rob Fraser" FraserRacing"AT"RobFraser.Net wrote in message . .. **It is a timely topic that will gather great interest as this Country slides into a significant recession.** I'm down 30% from last year- a lot of my clients are Union craftstsmen and construction guys who raced for fun. I know a lot of them who have not had work in months, sold off all the toys and some are losing the house as well. Hold on kids this is gonna be a hell of a ride! TMT is right.. Rob As more and more people see their lifestyles decline and say goodbye to a lot of their hard earned possessions, the fact that CEOs are getting paid millions even when running companies into the ground can't help but become a more salient topic for discussion. After all, who cares how much the CEO gets when you have a good job and are getting what to you seems like good pay? See everything you worked for go down the drain and it's a bit harder to silently accept the head honcho walking away with hundreds of millions. So it's relevant to lots of people when things are bad for them but the people on top still feel no pain. Also, continual discussion of the same or similar metalworking topics becomes boring after some period of time. Between the two there's good reason to discuss other topics. What's irritating though is to hear people complaining about off topic subjects and then see them posting on said subjects. If you don't like off topic subjects then butt the hell out and quit whining about them. Hawke |
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On 2008-03-10, Jim Stewart wrote:
Steve Lusardi wrote: You know this subject is really off topic and by playing this game, you are actually feeding the trolls like Hawke and Millright Ron. Please do this elsewhere. Steve Seconded. How's that homemade TIG welder doing, Iggy? It is not exactly homemade. It is a modified commercial welder with a bunch of new guts, microcontroller, etc. It works fine. The fan was noisy, so I replaced it with a Comair Rotron Caravel. It takes a lot of space, though. i i |
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On Mar 9, 10:07*am, Ignoramus14968 ignoramus14...@NOSPAM.
14968.invalid wrote: There is much consternation about CEO salaries, but not as much clear thinking. The argument that suggests that CEOs in public companies are "overpaid" is based on visibly very high salaries, and the ssumption that CEOs wield so much influence over boards and compensation committees, that they are able to "negotiate" overly generous compensations. That assumption may or may not be true. TO find out whether it is true is actually very easy. All one needs to do is compare CEO salaries in public companies, with CEO salaries in comparable non-public (privately owned) companies, where the owner is not the CEO. Presumably, the private owners who hire CEOs negotiate their salaries at "arm's length" and the private company CEO salary is a good indicator of what is fair. Since I am unlikely to have come up with such a simple comparison idea first, some studies must have been done to this effect. Is anyone aware of any such comparisons? My question is -- when C.E.O.s have finally succeeded in laying off the entire North American economy, forcing everyone to become a McJob holding Wal-Mart wage slave, who the hell will be able to afford your products? Are former Ford employees going to buy Fords? Are Hewlett- Packard employees who have been screwed around by HP going to buy HP products? Are people with no jobs, or poverty-level waged jobs, going to be able to afford anything? Millwright Ron www.unionmillwright.com |
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On Mar 9, 9:53*pm, "Hawke" wrote:
"Rob Fraser" FraserRacing"AT"RobFraser.Net wrote in message . .. **It is a timely topic that will gather great interest as this Country slides into a significant recession.** I'm down 30% from last year- a lot of my clients are Union craftstsmen and construction guys who raced for fun. *I know a lot of them who have not had work in months, sold off all the toys and some are losing the house as well. Hold on kids this is gonna be a hell of a ride! *TMT is right.. * * * * *Rob As more and more people see their lifestyles decline and say goodbye to a lot of their hard earned possessions, the fact that CEOs are getting paid millions even when running companies into the ground can't help but become a more salient topic for discussion. After all, who cares how much the CEO gets when you have a good job and are getting what to you seems like good pay? See everything you worked for go down the drain and it's a bit harder to silently accept the head honcho walking away with hundreds of millions. So it's relevant to lots of people when things are bad for them but the people on top still feel no pain. Also, continual discussion of the same or similar metalworking topics becomes boring after some period of time. Between the two there's good reason to discuss other topics. What's irritating though is to hear people complaining about off topic subjects and then see them posting on said subjects. If you don't like off topic subjects then butt the hell out and quit whining about them. Hawke C.E.O. stands for "Cheat Every One. Millwright Ron www.unionmillwright.com |
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Millwright Ron wrote:
C.E.O. stands for "Cheat Every One. How odd. That's your union's motto, although, they did kick around: "Cheap Expendable Oafs". BTW, you cheated us out of a quote mark. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:
You are right...recipes have their place...I would preface them with a big OT of course. A decent pig roaster thread would be great atm. I looked at one where those discs from culivators was used to cover the burners so the grease wouldn't put the flames out. Damn, I'm hungry for BBQ. Wes |
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On Mar 9, 10:48*pm, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Rob Fraser wrote: * * * ** * * * * *Respects and I'm back! The cancer did not kill me yet. * *Good for you. *My dad has been in the hospital for two weeks tomorrow, where they had to remove about half of his colon, due to two cancerous growths. They still haven't said when he can go home. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Good luck with your father. TMT |
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On Mar 9, 10:58*pm, Millwright Ron wrote:
On Mar 9, 10:07*am, Ignoramus14968 ignoramus14...@NOSPAM. 14968.invalid wrote: There is much consternation about CEO salaries, but not as much clear thinking. The argument that suggests that CEOs in public companies are "overpaid" is based on visibly very high salaries, and the ssumption that CEOs wield so much influence over boards and compensation committees, that they are able to "negotiate" overly generous compensations. That assumption may or may not be true. TO find out whether it is true is actually very easy. All one needs to do is compare CEO salaries in public companies, with CEO salaries in comparable non-public (privately owned) companies, where the owner is not the CEO. Presumably, the private owners who hire CEOs negotiate their salaries at "arm's length" and the private company CEO salary is a good indicator of what is fair. Since I am unlikely to have come up with such a simple comparison idea first, some studies must have been done to this effect. Is anyone aware of any such comparisons? *My question is -- when C.E.O.s have finally succeeded in laying off the entire North American economy, forcing everyone to become a McJob holding Wal-Mart wage slave, who the hell will be able to afford your products? Are former Ford employees going to buy Fords? Are Hewlett- Packard employees who have been screwed around by HP going to buy HP products? Are people with no jobs, or poverty-level waged jobs, going to be able to afford anything? Millwright Ronwww.unionmillwright.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Their business plan calls to relieve America of its cash and then move on to other countries...America is where the cash is/was...Asia is where it will be. Parasites are like that. TMT |
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On Mar 10, 9:35*am, Wes wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote: You are right...recipes have their place...I would preface them with a big OT of course. A decent pig roaster thread would be great atm. *I looked at one where those discs from culivators was used to cover the burners so the grease wouldn't put the flames out. Damn, I'm hungry for BBQ. Wes Good use for the discs... I have had friends at dealers save them for me for tool bases. TMT |
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message ... On Mar 9, 10:58 pm, Millwright Ron wrote: On Mar 9, 10:07 am, Ignoramus14968 ignoramus14...@NOSPAM. 14968.invalid wrote: There is much consternation about CEO salaries, but not as much clear thinking. The argument that suggests that CEOs in public companies are "overpaid" is based on visibly very high salaries, and the ssumption that CEOs wield so much influence over boards and compensation committees, that they are able to "negotiate" overly generous compensations. That assumption may or may not be true. TO find out whether it is true is actually very easy. All one needs to do is compare CEO salaries in public companies, with CEO salaries in comparable non-public (privately owned) companies, where the owner is not the CEO. Presumably, the private owners who hire CEOs negotiate their salaries at "arm's length" and the private company CEO salary is a good indicator of what is fair. Since I am unlikely to have come up with such a simple comparison idea first, some studies must have been done to this effect. Is anyone aware of any such comparisons? My question is -- when C.E.O.s have finally succeeded in laying off the entire North American economy, forcing everyone to become a McJob holding Wal-Mart wage slave, who the hell will be able to afford your products? Are former Ford employees going to buy Fords? Are Hewlett- Packard employees who have been screwed around by HP going to buy HP products? Are people with no jobs, or poverty-level waged jobs, going to be able to afford anything? Millwright Ronwww.unionmillwright.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Their business plan calls to relieve America of its cash and then move on to other countries...America is where the cash is/was...Asia is where it will be. Parasites are like that. TMT Carl Icahn is making a hostile takeover bid for the country. If he can buy two more seats in Congress he'll probably get it. Then he'll sell the Statue of Liberty to China for scrap bronze and lay the rest of us off. Laissez-faire, ya'll. -- Ed Huntress |
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On 2008-03-10, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Mar 9, 10:48*pm, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Rob Fraser wrote: * * * ** * * * * *Respects and I'm back! The cancer did not kill me yet. * *Good for you. *My dad has been in the hospital for two weeks tomorrow, where they had to remove about half of his colon, due to two cancerous growths. They still haven't said when he can go home. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Good luck with your father. TMT Good luck to both of you guys, I am rooting for you. Mu grandfather lived for 35 years after having cancer removed. So there is every reason to hope for a good outcome. i |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Rob Fraser wrote: ** Respects and I'm back! The cancer did not kill me yet. Good for you. My dad has been in the hospital for two weeks tomorrow, where they had to remove about half of his colon, due to two cancerous growths. They still haven't said when he can go home. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Thanks Mike, Thoughts too you and your dad. Rob |
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Ignoramus25976 wrote:
Good luck to both of you guys, I am rooting for you. Mu grandfather lived for 35 years after having cancer removed. So there is every reason to hope for a good outcome. Thanks. I lost my mother to the same cancer 20+ years ago. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Steve Lusardi wrote: You know this subject is really off topic and by playing this game, you are actually feeding the trolls like Hawke and Millright Ron. Please do this elsewhere. Steve I'm sorry, if you want the job of netnanny, you will have to register properly. We already have one, and ten people waiting on line for him to die. It could be a long time until appointment, and there is no pay or benefits. Steve |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:
Good use for the discs... I have had friends at dealers save them for me for tool bases. Classier looking than old steel tire rims. Wes |
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Rob Fraser wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Rob Fraser wrote: ** Respects and I'm back! The cancer did not kill me yet. Good for you. My dad has been in the hospital for two weeks tomorrow, where they had to remove about half of his colon, due to two cancerous growths. They still haven't said when he can go home. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Thanks Mike, Thoughts to you and your dad. Thank you. He was supposed to be released this morning, but it didn't happen. -- My sig file can beat up your sig file! |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:
Good luck with your father. Thank you. -- My sig file can beat up your sig file! |
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:59:35 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote: Steve Lusardi wrote: You know this subject is really off topic and by playing this game, you are actually feeding the trolls like Hawke and Millright Ron. Please do this elsewhere. Steve I'm sorry, if you want the job of netnanny, you will have to register properly. We already have one, and ten people waiting on line for him to die. It could be a long time until appointment, and there is no pay or benefits. Steve We already have a Net Nazi. Speaking of Herr Mueller..Ive not seen him posting much. I hope he is ok, or in the care of Mossad. Gunner |
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:04:58 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
wrote: On Mar 9, 5:02*pm, spaco wrote: Oh. *We all have to eat, too, so why not have recipes on this NG? Start a "sliding into recession" NG and leave this one to metalworking, please. If your reasoning pervades, then maybe ALL NG's should combine into one on the theory that there's always somebody who might be interested in whatever someone else might have to say on any subject. Pete Stanaitis ----------------------- True..it is off topic but he can preface the title with a big OT and anyone who has no interest can move on to the next posting. It is a timely topic that will gather great interest as this Country slides into a significant recession. TMT- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You are right...recipes have their place...I would preface them with a big OT of course. How does one prepare CEOs? I would assume that that there would be plenty of fat and crap to trim off before cooking and then they would taste like chicken while giving one plenty of gas. TMT You know why there are no recipes for cooking a liberal? By the time you get em dressed and all the bull**** removed, they resemble a condom with eyes and are hardly worth the effort putting them in a pan. Gunner |
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Gunner wrote in
: snip We already have a Net Nazi. Speaking of Herr Mueller..Ive not seen him posting much. I hope he is ok, or in the care of Mossad. Gunner Gunner I think you just made a Faux pas, when speaking of Herr Mueller you need to put OT somewhere in the topic, like 'Herr Mueller is an idiOT', or something like that... Bill |
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On 2008-03-11, Gunner wrote:
We already have a Net Nazi. Speaking of Herr Mueller..Ive not seen him posting much. I hope he is ok, or in the care of Mossad. He'd be much better off if he continued to talk about his projects, instead of trying to be everyone's mother and insisting on us sucking on his tit. i |
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On Mar 10, 2:15*pm, Wes wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote: Good use for the discs... I have had friends at dealers save them for me for tool bases. Classier looking than old steel tire rims. Wes I agree...much nicer than falling over old rims. TMT |
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On Mar 11, 12:30*am, Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:04:58 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools wrote: On Mar 9, 5:02*pm, spaco wrote: Oh. *We all have to eat, too, so why not have recipes on this NG? Start a "sliding into recession" NG and leave this one to metalworking, please. If your reasoning pervades, then maybe ALL NG's should combine into one on the theory that there's always somebody who might be interested in whatever someone else might have to say on any subject. Pete Stanaitis ----------------------- True..it is off topic but he can preface the title with a big OT and anyone who has no interest can move on to the next posting. It is a timely topic that will gather great interest as this Country slides into a significant recession. TMT- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You are right...recipes have their place...I would preface them with a big OT of course. How does one prepare CEOs? I would assume that that there would be plenty of fat and crap to trim off before cooking and then they would taste like chicken while giving one plenty of gas. TMT You know why there are no recipes for cooking a liberal? By the time you get em dressed and all the bull**** removed, they resemble a condom with eyes and are hardly worth the effort putting them in a pan. Gunner- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ahhh...crunchy and less filling. TMT |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Millwright Ron wrote: C.E.O. stands for "Cheat Every One. How odd. That's your union's motto, although, they did kick around: "Cheap Expendable Oafs". BTW, you cheated us out of a quote mark. You need to start your own foundation. It should be called "The Poor in Defense of the Rich". Since every time someone comments negatively about business, CEOs, or the wealthy you come instantly to their defense, and you criticize American workers who belong to unions constantly you could be a spokesman for the aristocracy. But then they wouldn't have anything to do with someone in the lower class like you. What a catch-22 for you. You defend the rich but they have nothing but contempt for you. That's a shame. You should identify with ordinary working people but then if they are in a union you have as much contempt for them as an aristocrat does. You're in a pickle. Somebody needs to break it to you that you aren't one of the aristocrats. Oh wait, I just did. You're working class, probably working poor. Wise up, you idiot. Hawke |
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Hawke wrote in article ... "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Millwright Ron wrote: C.E.O. stands for "Cheat Every One. How odd. That's your union's motto, although, they did kick around: "Cheap Expendable Oafs". BTW, you cheated us out of a quote mark. You need to start your own foundation. It should be called "The Poor in Defense of the Rich". Since every time someone comments negatively about business, CEOs, or the wealthy you come instantly to their defense, and you criticize American workers who belong to unions constantly you could be a spokesman for the aristocracy. But then they wouldn't have anything to do with someone in the lower class like you. What a catch-22 for you. You defend the rich but they have nothing but contempt for you. That's a shame. You should identify with ordinary working people but then if they are in a union you have as much contempt for them as an aristocrat does. You're in a pickle. Somebody needs to break it to you that you aren't one of the aristocrats. Oh wait, I just did. You're working class, probably working poor. Wise up, you idiot. Hawke You constantly position everything as an "us-versus-them" situation. That's a typical liberal democrat point of view. Typical union stance that completely overlooks the Constitutional precept that "....all men are created equal." There is no class system in the USA - despite what Hillary, Barrack, and their ilk say about "middle class." Now, if you spent a few more hours working hard - or working at all - and a few less hours wasting your time complaining about "them" in Internet news groups, you just might pick yourself up by your bootstraps and make something of yourself. I doubt that there are many CEOs spending their time here in ****ing contests. |
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Hawkie wrote:
You need to start your own foundation. It should be called "The Poor in Defense of the Rich". Since every time someone comments negatively about business, CEOs, or the wealthy you come instantly to their defense, and you criticize American workers who belong to unions constantly you could be a spokesman for the aristocracy. But then they wouldn't have anything to do with someone in the lower class like you. What a catch-22 for you. You defend the rich but they have nothing but contempt for you. That's a shame. You should identify with ordinary working people but then if they are in a union you have as much contempt for them as an aristocrat does. You're in a pickle. Somebody needs to break it to you that you aren't one of the aristocrats. Oh wait, I just did. You're working class, probably working poor. Wise up, or you'll be an idiot, like me. Wake up yourself. I was never poor. I owned a home I paid all my bills on time. I had what I wanted, and had some money in the bank. It's you who is so terrified of being poor that you need a union to think for your. I scraped up $50 in the '60s and started a business while I was still in high school. I made enough money to always be able to help others, in need. As far as starting a foundation, you need one, "Pathetic losers who afraid to think and are damn proud of it!" for idiots like you that see no shades of gray. You are so blinded by your ignorance and hatred to everything around that you have no clue how the real world works -- ! |
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On Mar 12, 12:03*pm, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Hawkie wrote: You need to start your own foundation. It should be called "The Poor in Defense of the Rich". Since every time someone comments negatively about business, CEOs, or the wealthy you come instantly to their defense, and you criticize American workers who belong to unions constantly you could be a spokesman for the aristocracy. But then they wouldn't have anything to do with someone in the lower class like you. What a catch-22 for you. You defend the rich but they have nothing but contempt for you. That's a shame. You should identify with ordinary working people but then if they are in a union you have as much contempt for them as an aristocrat does. You're in a pickle. Somebody needs to break it to you that you aren't one of the aristocrats. Oh wait, I just did. You're working class, probably working poor. Wise up, or you'll be an idiot, like me. * *Wake up yourself. *I was never poor. I owned a home I paid all my bills on time. I had what I wanted, and had some money in the bank. * *It's you who is so terrified of being poor that you need a union to think for your. *I scraped up $50 in the '60s and started a business while I was still in high school. *I made enough money to always be able to help others, in need. * *As far as starting a foundation, you need one, "Pathetic losers who afraid to think and are damn proud of it!" for idiots like you that see no shades of gray. You are so blinded by your ignorance and hatred to everything around that you have no clue how the real world works -- ! Terrell; You really like to pat yourself on your back a lot. "the lady doth protest too much" Maybe you should also read the book "The Peter Principle". You might be enlightened as to why you are in your position . Millwright Ron www.unionmillwright.com |
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Millwright Ron wrote:
Terrell; You really like to pat yourself on your back a lot. "the lady doth protest too much" Maybe you should also read the book "The Peter Principle". You might be enlightened as to why you are in your position . What does rading your autobiography have to do with my diabetes? -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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