Marking blue best?
 

Jordan wrote:
Is there an advantage in using traditional marking blue?
Seems a lot more fiddly than a marking pen.

I use Canode dyes, they are water soluble. The real Prussian
blue is almost impossible to get off anything. But, it does
give a finer sensitivity to surface conditions. I suspect it
only matters well below .0001"

Jon

Marking blue best?
 

Is there an advantage in using traditional marking blue?
Seems a lot more fiddly than a marking pen.

Marking blue best?
 

Keywords:
In article , Jordan wrote:
Is there an advantage in using traditional marking blue?
Seems a lot more fiddly than a marking pen.

There are two kinds of marking blue:

There is a grease type like Prussian blue that is used for scraping and
precision fitting that will transfer from one part to the next.
Apparently Prussian blue is messy & very hard to clean up. I suspect
there may be better options. I've never used Prussian blue, but have a
home brew equivalent which is lamp black mixed with vaseline.

The other kind of marking blue is more like what you would get with a
marking pen, i.e. a thin dark material you can easily see a scribe mark
in. A wide tip black marking pen works fine for this, and is easy to
clean up with alcohol. I've used brush-on Dykem "layout fluid", but it
tends to go on thick, it can chip, and it's harder to remove than a
marker. If you have a large area you need to cover, you can get the best
of both worlds by using a Dykem felt tip applicator, which is like a
marker, but lays down a 1/2" wide stripe. It goes on thinner than the
brush on stuff, so it dries faster and is less likely to chip. It's
still harder to remove than marker.

Doug White

Marking blue best?
 

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:36:53 +1100, Jordan wrote:

Is there an advantage in using traditional marking blue?
Seems a lot more fiddly than a marking pen.


Make sure that your "permanent" marking pen doesn't disappear or go soft when
subjected to cutting oil. A lot of them don't seem to last al that well.


Mark Rand
RTFM

Marking blue best?
 

"Jordan" wrote in message
u...
Is there an advantage in using traditional marking blue?
Seems a lot more fiddly than a marking pen.


Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.

Marking blue best?
 

"Tom Gardner" wrote:

Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.

Could you expand on that?

Wes

Marking blue best?
 

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:32:24 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, "Tom
Gardner" quickly quoth:


"Jordan" wrote in message
. au...
Is there an advantage in using traditional marking blue?
Seems a lot more fiddly than a marking pen.


Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.

Who or what are you screwing, bluing, or tattooing, Tawm?

----------------------------------------------------------
Please return Stewardess to her original upright position.
--------------------------------------

Marking blue best?
 

"Tom Gardner" wrote:

In which direction?

Well Prussian blue expands in all directions. ;)

Wes

Marking blue best?
 

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

"Jordan" wrote in message
u...
Is there an advantage in using traditional marking blue?
Seems a lot more fiddly than a marking pen.


Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.

Jeez, what are you doing, painting the plant with it?

You must be doing a lot of manual layout. They have CNC for that now, you
know. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

Marking blue best?
 

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

"Jordan" wrote in message
u...
Is there an advantage in using traditional marking blue?
Seems a lot more fiddly than a marking pen.


Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.

Jeez, what are you doing, painting the plant with it?

You must be doing a lot of manual layout. They have CNC for that now, you
know. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress


I think that with a drum of PB, one could eliminate all the "Red" states!

Marking blue best?
 

"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Tom Gardner" wrote:

Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.

Could you expand on that?

Wes

In which direction?

Marking blue best?
 

On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:51:32 GMT, (Doug White)
wrote:

Keywords:
In article , Jordan wrote:
Is there an advantage in using traditional marking blue?
Seems a lot more fiddly than a marking pen.

There are two kinds of marking blue:

There is a grease type like Prussian blue that is used for scraping and
precision fitting that will transfer from one part to the next.
Apparently Prussian blue is messy & very hard to clean up. I suspect
there may be better options. I've never used Prussian blue, but have a
home brew equivalent which is lamp black mixed with vaseline.

The other kind of marking blue is more like what you would get with a
marking pen, i.e. a thin dark material you can easily see a scribe mark
in. A wide tip black marking pen works fine for this, and is easy to
clean up with alcohol. I've used brush-on Dykem "layout fluid", but it
tends to go on thick, it can chip, and it's harder to remove than a
marker. If you have a large area you need to cover, you can get the best
of both worlds by using a Dykem felt tip applicator, which is like a
marker, but lays down a 1/2" wide stripe. It goes on thinner than the
brush on stuff, so it dries faster and is less likely to chip. It's
still harder to remove than marker.

Doug White

Ive got 4 cases of red and blue Dykem in spray cans.

Not all have propellent however.

Gunner

Marking blue best?
 

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:32:24 -0500, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


"Jordan" wrote in message
. au...
Is there an advantage in using traditional marking blue?
Seems a lot more fiddly than a marking pen.


Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.



Dear god why???????

Gunner

Marking blue best?
 

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
t...

"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Tom Gardner" wrote:

Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.

Could you expand on that?

Wes

In which direction?


If you buy it in 55 gallon lots, you have enough on hand to expand in every
direction, for as far as the eye can see. I swear, a drop of that stuff
can cover an acre.

Do readers understand that Prussian Blue and layout blue are not one and the
same, and that they are not interchangeable? One will not substitute for
the other.

Harold

Marking blue best?
 

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:15:03 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:32:24 -0500, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


"Jordan" wrote in message
.au...
Is there an advantage in using traditional marking blue?
Seems a lot more fiddly than a marking pen.


Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.



Dear god why???????

Gunner


Haha. The secret's out. It's not really sky. It's the ceiling of the spaceship
and Tom makes lots of brushes too...


Mark Rand
RTFM

Marking blue best?
 

Gunner wrote:

Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.



Dear god why???????

Gunner

That really does seem a lot. I'd probably one use one drum a month, if that.

Jordan

Marking blue best?
 

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:58:24 +0000, with neither quill nor qualm, Mark
Rand quickly quoth:

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:15:03 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:32:24 -0500, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


"Jordan" wrote in message
m.au...
Is there an advantage in using traditional marking blue?
Seems a lot more fiddly than a marking pen.


Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.



Dear god why???????

Gunner


Haha. The secret's out. It's not really sky. It's the ceiling of the spaceship
and Tom makes lots of brushes too...

WHAT? Y'mean to tell me that we're living in Ringworld and don't know
it?

--
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do.
-- Confucius

Marking blue best?
 

Keywords:
In article , Jordan wrote:
Doug White wrote:

There are two kinds of marking blue:



I think the greasy variety is stuff I've seen described as bearing blue.

The Dykem felt applicator sounds good. Is it happy to stay on the shelf
for extended periods?

I've had good luck with them so far. The bottles of brush on stuff tend
to go bad long before a home shop can use one up. The applicator bottles
are much smaller, and I suspect the ratio of time to use them up & time
to gunk up is much closer to one. A 2 oz. applicator is ~$4, where a 4
oz. bottle is ~$5, so it isn't cheaper to buy the applicators by volume.
On the other hand, if it goes bad before you can use up half a bottle,
the applicator is cheaper. The other big plus is that you can't spill an
applicator bottle. I've seen more than one shop where somebody knocked
over a Dykem bottle. It makes a very big mess.

Doug White

Marking blue best?
 

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 06:23:04 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:58:24 +0000, with neither quill nor qualm, Mark
Rand quickly quoth:

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:15:03 -0800, Gunner
wrote:

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 22:32:24 -0500, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


"Jordan" wrote in message
om.au...
Is there an advantage in using traditional marking blue?
Seems a lot more fiddly than a marking pen.


Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.



Dear god why???????

Gunner


Haha. The secret's out. It's not really sky. It's the ceiling of the spaceship
and Tom makes lots of brushes too...

WHAT? Y'mean to tell me that we're living in Ringworld and don't know
it?


Ringworld? How did my bathroom get into the conversation?


Gunner

Marking blue best?
 

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:45:25 -0800, David Harmon
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:39:07 -0500 in rec.crafts.metalworking, Bob
Engelhardt wrote,
Spray cans can be recharged with propane. 'Just need a fitting for a 14
oz propane can. Like this:
http://home.comcast.net/~bobengelhar...CanAdapter.jpg

Cool. The cans I needed to recharge had valve tube projecting at
the top. I used a butane can for filling lighters. So all I needed
was a block with the right diameter holes drilled on opposite sides.


Way cool!

Gunner



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Marking blue best?
 

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
. net...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
t...

"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Tom Gardner" wrote:

Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.

Could you expand on that?

Wes

In which direction?


If you buy it in 55 gallon lots, you have enough on hand to expand in every
direction, for as far as the eye can see. I swear, a drop of that stuff can
cover an acre.

Do readers understand that Prussian Blue and layout blue are not one and the
same, and that they are not interchangeable? One will not substitute for the
other.

Harold


Remember "Brylcreem, a little dab will do ya"? I still have the same tube from
30 years ago. The 55 gal drums are just for pranks!

Marking blue best?
 

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
. net...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
t...

"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Tom Gardner" wrote:

Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.

Could you expand on that?

Wes

In which direction?


If you buy it in 55 gallon lots, you have enough on hand to expand in
every direction, for as far as the eye can see. I swear, a drop of that
stuff can cover an acre.

Do readers understand that Prussian Blue and layout blue are not one and
the same, and that they are not interchangeable? One will not substitute
for the other.

Harold


Remember "Brylcreem, a little dab will do ya"? I still have the same
tube from 30 years ago. The 55 gal drums are just for pranks!


Tom (the mother of pranks)-------hasn't anyone told you that you need hair
to take advantage of Brylcreem? :-)

Small wonder you still have the same tube.

Harold

Marking blue best?
 

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
et...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
. net...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
t...

"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Tom Gardner" wrote:

Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.

Could you expand on that?

Wes

In which direction?


If you buy it in 55 gallon lots, you have enough on hand to expand in every
direction, for as far as the eye can see. I swear, a drop of that stuff
can cover an acre.

Do readers understand that Prussian Blue and layout blue are not one and the
same, and that they are not interchangeable? One will not substitute for
the other.

Harold


Remember "Brylcreem, a little dab will do ya"? I still have the same tube
from 30 years ago. The 55 gal drums are just for pranks!


Tom (the mother of pranks)-------hasn't anyone told you that you need hair to
take advantage of Brylcreem? :-)

Small wonder you still have the same tube.

Harold


Hey, somebody was kind enough to send me some e-mails about some new miracle
products that are guaranteed to regrow my hair! Any day now, the products will
arrive and I'll be in follicle heaven!

Marking blue best?
 

Gunner wrote:
Ive got 4 cases of red and blue Dykem in spray cans.

Not all have propellent however.

Spray cans can be recharged with propane. 'Just need a fitting for a 14
oz propane can. Like this:
http://home.comcast.net/~bobengelhar...CanAdapter.jpg

It screws into the valve of a propane torch. Press the upside down
torch on the rattle can valve & open the propane valve. With a rag
wrapped around them - some contents will escape & mess things.

Bob

Marking blue best?
 

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:39:43 -0500, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
. net...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
. net...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
t...

"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Tom Gardner" wrote:

Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.

Could you expand on that?

Wes

In which direction?


If you buy it in 55 gallon lots, you have enough on hand to expand in every
direction, for as far as the eye can see. I swear, a drop of that stuff
can cover an acre.

Do readers understand that Prussian Blue and layout blue are not one and the
same, and that they are not interchangeable? One will not substitute for
the other.

Harold


Remember "Brylcreem, a little dab will do ya"? I still have the same tube
from 30 years ago. The 55 gal drums are just for pranks!


Tom (the mother of pranks)-------hasn't anyone told you that you need hair to
take advantage of Brylcreem? :-)

Small wonder you still have the same tube.

Harold


Hey, somebody was kind enough to send me some e-mails about some new miracle
products that are guaranteed to regrow my hair! Any day now, the products will
arrive and I'll be in follicle heaven!

Did you get a brush with that?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

Marking blue best?
 

"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:39:43 -0500, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
.net...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
...

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
. net...

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
t...

"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Tom Gardner" wrote:

Prussian Blue...I buy it in 55 gal drums, one or two a month.

Could you expand on that?

Wes

In which direction?


If you buy it in 55 gallon lots, you have enough on hand to expand in
every
direction, for as far as the eye can see. I swear, a drop of that stuff
can cover an acre.

Do readers understand that Prussian Blue and layout blue are not one and
the
same, and that they are not interchangeable? One will not substitute for
the other.

Harold


Remember "Brylcreem, a little dab will do ya"? I still have the same tube
from 30 years ago. The 55 gal drums are just for pranks!


Tom (the mother of pranks)-------hasn't anyone told you that you need hair
to
take advantage of Brylcreem? :-)

Small wonder you still have the same tube.

Harold


Hey, somebody was kind enough to send me some e-mails about some new miracle
products that are guaranteed to regrow my hair! Any day now, the products
will
arrive and I'll be in follicle heaven!

Did you get a brush with that?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

I think I own a hair brush...I'll have to look.

Marking blue best?
 

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:59:57 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, "Tom
Gardner" quickly quoth:

Gerry said:
Did you get a brush with that?

I think I own a hair brush...I'll have to look.

Whatever for, Yul?

--
The only difference between a rut and a grave...is in their dimensions.
-- Ellen Glasglow

Marking blue best?
 

Gunner wrote:

Not all have propellent however.


Sell those to Hawkie. He's FULL of propellant.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Marking blue best?
 

Tom Gardner wrote:

Hey, somebody was kind enough to send me some e-mails about some new miracle
products that are guaranteed to regrow my hair! Any day now, the products will
arrive and I'll be in follicle heaven!


Then you won't need a wig when you're playing lesbian? ;-)


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Marking blue best?
 

Larry Jaques wrote:

Who or what are you screwing, bluing, or tattooing, Tawm?


His competitors.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Marking blue best?
 

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
Larry Jaques wrote:

Who or what are you screwing, bluing, or tattooing, Tawm?


His competitors.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


Competitors? My competitors ceased production and buy my stuff!!!

Marking blue best?
 

Tom Gardner wrote:

Competitors? My competitors ceased production and buy my stuff!!!


What did you think they would do after you screwed, blued, and
tattooed them? ;-)


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Marking blue best?
 

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
Tom Gardner wrote:

Competitors? My competitors ceased production and buy my stuff!!!


What did you think they would do after you screwed, blued, and
tattooed them? ;-)


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

I only had to PB a few car door handles!

Marking blue best?
 

Tom Gardner wrote:

What did you think they would do after you screwed, blued, and
tattooed them? ;-)

I only had to PB a few car door handles!


Peanut Butter?
PB blaster?


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Marking blue best?
 

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:38:28 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Tom Gardner wrote:

What did you think they would do after you screwed, blued, and
tattooed them? ;-)

I only had to PB a few car door handles!


Peanut Butter?
PB blaster?

I'm guessing Prussian Blue. Damn, Tom, that's just downright mean!

Pete Keillor

Marking blue best?
 

Pete Keillor wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:38:28 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Tom Gardner wrote:

What did you think they would do after you screwed, blued, and
tattooed them? ;-)

I only had to PB a few car door handles!


Peanut Butter?
PB blaster?

I'm guessing Prussian Blue. Damn, Tom, that's just downright mean!

Pete Keillor


GEEEZE! I was waiting for him to admit to his crime!


--
My sig file can beat up your sig file!

Marking blue best?
 

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:39:07 -0500 in rec.crafts.metalworking, Bob
Engelhardt wrote,
Spray cans can be recharged with propane. 'Just need a fitting for a 14
oz propane can. Like this:
http://home.comcast.net/~bobengelhar...CanAdapter.jpg

Cool. The cans I needed to recharge had valve tube projecting at
the top. I used a butane can for filling lighters. So all I needed
was a block with the right diameter holes drilled on opposite sides.