A few weeks ago a picked up a B & S Techmaster 824 surface grinder,
was not under power but the price was good. It was retro fitted with
a A-B SLC-500 PLC. I could not get the cross feed to work, replaced
a Triac output card and the shorted out coil on the hydraulic
solenoid. Cross feed now works in automatic mode, BUT will not move
otherwise. I can move it with the hand wheel, but not the
forward/back buttons. Should I be able to do this?

Table hand wheel does not dis-engage/re-engage properly all the time,
I need to look into this too.

Over the wheel dresser does not move either, might just be stuck, was
never used as they had a diamond wheel on the machine.

Also the grind wet/dry switch does not turn on/off the coolant pump
(pump is wired direct to the spindle contactor). On the schematic to
the machine it shows the switch controls a solenoid marked "base oil
shutoff" I need to lift the table off to see where that oil line
goes. curiosity is killing me.

any suggestions appreciated.

pictures at:
www.enter.net/~rbraun/grinder1.jpg
www.enter.net/~rbraun/grinder2.jpg

I only have a few photocopied pages from the manual, so I can't look
there. I do have complete doc's on the PLC convertion.



Thank You,
Randy

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Hey Randy,

Wow!! Looks like quite the machine. You say you got the manual for
the "Slick 500", but did you get, or can you get, the PLC ladder
diagram to see what might be holding it?

Take care.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.

ps.I didn't know what it was, so a bit of Google shows:

http://www.usedequip.com/q/showdlist/,,ST,,,001307,10241519

Pretty nice!!

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:01:15 -0500, Randy wrote:

A few weeks ago a picked up a B & S Techmaster 824 surface grinder,
was not under power but the price was good. It was retro fitted with
a A-B SLC-500 PLC. I could not get the cross feed to work, replaced
a Triac output card and the shorted out coil on the hydraulic
solenoid. Cross feed now works in automatic mode, BUT will not move
otherwise. I can move it with the hand wheel, but not the
forward/back buttons. Should I be able to do this?

Table hand wheel does not dis-engage/re-engage properly all the time,
I need to look into this too.

Over the wheel dresser does not move either, might just be stuck, was
never used as they had a diamond wheel on the machine.

Also the grind wet/dry switch does not turn on/off the coolant pump
(pump is wired direct to the spindle contactor). On the schematic to
the machine it shows the switch controls a solenoid marked "base oil
shutoff" I need to lift the table off to see where that oil line
goes. curiosity is killing me.

any suggestions appreciated.

pictures at:
www.enter.net/~rbraun/grinder1.jpg
www.enter.net/~rbraun/grinder2.jpg

I only have a few photocopied pages from the manual, so I can't look
there. I do have complete doc's on the PLC convertion.



Thank You,
Randy

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Randy wrote:
A few weeks ago a picked up a B & S Techmaster 824 surface grinder,
was not under power but the price was good. It was retro fitted with
a A-B SLC-500 PLC. I could not get the cross feed to work, replaced
a Triac output card and the shorted out coil on the hydraulic
solenoid. Cross feed now works in automatic mode, BUT will not move
otherwise. I can move it with the hand wheel, but not the
forward/back buttons. Should I be able to do this?

Table hand wheel does not dis-engage/re-engage properly all the time,
I need to look into this too.

Over the wheel dresser does not move either, might just be stuck, was
never used as they had a diamond wheel on the machine.

Also the grind wet/dry switch does not turn on/off the coolant pump
(pump is wired direct to the spindle contactor). On the schematic to
the machine it shows the switch controls a solenoid marked "base oil
shutoff" I need to lift the table off to see where that oil line
goes. curiosity is killing me.

any suggestions appreciated.

pictures at:
www.enter.net/~rbraun/grinder1.jpg
www.enter.net/~rbraun/grinder2.jpg

I only have a few photocopied pages from the manual, so I can't look
there. I do have complete doc's on the PLC convertion.



Thank You,
Randy

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We have one in our shop. Similar, probably newer. No retrofits.

Cannot recall if the front/back buttons are simply to change the
direction, or if they are able to provide a means of moving the head.

The hydraulics are a general PITA, and seem to respond well to
frequent use.

May have a manual. Will check.

Where are you ?

Cheers
Trevor Jones

Brian,
Yes, I do have the ladder logic printout and my Cousin has A-B
software, I just don't know if it's supposed to do what I want.






On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:29:01 -0500, Brian Lawson
wrote:

Hey Randy,

Wow!! Looks like quite the machine. You say you got the manual for
the "Slick 500", but did you get, or can you get, the PLC ladder
diagram to see what might be holding it?

Take care.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.

ps.I didn't know what it was, so a bit of Google shows:

http://www.usedequip.com/q/showdlist/,,ST,,,001307,10241519

Pretty nice!!

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:01:15 -0500, Randy wrote:

A few weeks ago a picked up a B & S Techmaster 824 surface grinder,
was not under power but the price was good. It was retro fitted with
a A-B SLC-500 PLC. I could not get the cross feed to work, replaced
a Triac output card and the shorted out coil on the hydraulic
solenoid. Cross feed now works in automatic mode, BUT will not move
otherwise. I can move it with the hand wheel, but not the
forward/back buttons. Should I be able to do this?

Table hand wheel does not dis-engage/re-engage properly all the time,
I need to look into this too.

Over the wheel dresser does not move either, might just be stuck, was
never used as they had a diamond wheel on the machine.

Also the grind wet/dry switch does not turn on/off the coolant pump
(pump is wired direct to the spindle contactor). On the schematic to
the machine it shows the switch controls a solenoid marked "base oil
shutoff" I need to lift the table off to see where that oil line
goes. curiosity is killing me.

any suggestions appreciated.

pictures at:
www.enter.net/~rbraun/grinder1.jpg
www.enter.net/~rbraun/grinder2.jpg

I only have a few photocopied pages from the manual, so I can't look
there. I do have complete doc's on the PLC convertion.



Thank You,
Randy

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Thank You,
Randy

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I'm in Allentown, PA. I did get a Parts manual but not an operators
manual.

Jones and Shipman do not seem to offer much support if any, I called
for a wheel mount and they couldn't help at all.






On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:41:31 GMT, Trevor Jones
wrote:

Randy wrote:
A few weeks ago a picked up a B & S Techmaster 824 surface grinder,
was not under power but the price was good. It was retro fitted with
a A-B SLC-500 PLC. I could not get the cross feed to work, replaced
a Triac output card and the shorted out coil on the hydraulic
solenoid. Cross feed now works in automatic mode, BUT will not move
otherwise. I can move it with the hand wheel, but not the
forward/back buttons. Should I be able to do this?

Table hand wheel does not dis-engage/re-engage properly all the time,
I need to look into this too.

Over the wheel dresser does not move either, might just be stuck, was
never used as they had a diamond wheel on the machine.

Also the grind wet/dry switch does not turn on/off the coolant pump
(pump is wired direct to the spindle contactor). On the schematic to
the machine it shows the switch controls a solenoid marked "base oil
shutoff" I need to lift the table off to see where that oil line
goes. curiosity is killing me.

any suggestions appreciated.

pictures at:
www.enter.net/~rbraun/grinder1.jpg
www.enter.net/~rbraun/grinder2.jpg

I only have a few photocopied pages from the manual, so I can't look
there. I do have complete doc's on the PLC convertion.



Thank You,
Randy

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We have one in our shop. Similar, probably newer. No retrofits.

Cannot recall if the front/back buttons are simply to change the
direction, or if they are able to provide a means of moving the head.

The hydraulics are a general PITA, and seem to respond well to
frequent use.

May have a manual. Will check.

Where are you ?

Cheers
Trevor Jones
Thank You,
Randy

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Hey again Randy,

Well, have your cousin take a look at the ladder and see if you can
figure out what the slick controls, or what inputs it gets from the
machine. Maybe save and dump what you have in control program memory
now, and then write a short one to plug in to see whether you CAN
control all the axes and feeds and directions. That will at least
indicate where you might need to start looking.

Good luck.

Brian Lawson.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:27:04 -0500, Randy wrote:

Brian,
Yes, I do have the ladder logic printout and my Cousin has A-B
software, I just don't know if it's supposed to do what I want.






On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:29:01 -0500, Brian Lawson
wrote:

Hey Randy,

Wow!! Looks like quite the machine. You say you got the manual for
the "Slick 500", but did you get, or can you get, the PLC ladder
diagram to see what might be holding it?

Take care.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.

ps.I didn't know what it was, so a bit of Google shows:

http://www.usedequip.com/q/showdlist/,,ST,,,001307,10241519

Pretty nice!!

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:01:15 -0500, Randy wrote:

A few weeks ago a picked up a B & S Techmaster 824 surface grinder,
was not under power but the price was good. It was retro fitted with
a A-B SLC-500 PLC. I could not get the cross feed to work, replaced
a Triac output card and the shorted out coil on the hydraulic
solenoid. Cross feed now works in automatic mode, BUT will not move
otherwise. I can move it with the hand wheel, but not the
forward/back buttons. Should I be able to do this?

Table hand wheel does not dis-engage/re-engage properly all the time,
I need to look into this too.

Over the wheel dresser does not move either, might just be stuck, was
never used as they had a diamond wheel on the machine.

Also the grind wet/dry switch does not turn on/off the coolant pump
(pump is wired direct to the spindle contactor). On the schematic to
the machine it shows the switch controls a solenoid marked "base oil
shutoff" I need to lift the table off to see where that oil line
goes. curiosity is killing me.

any suggestions appreciated.

pictures at:
www.enter.net/~rbraun/grinder1.jpg
www.enter.net/~rbraun/grinder2.jpg

I only have a few photocopied pages from the manual, so I can't look
there. I do have complete doc's on the PLC convertion.



Thank You,
Randy

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Thank You,
Randy

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Randy wrote:

Brian,
Yes, I do have the ladder logic printout and my Cousin has A-B
software, I just don't know if it's supposed to do what I want.


Yes, but a LL print out without the comments really sucks. Too many times I
have had to take a machine, pull the ladder, then run around it pressing
buttons, tripping sensors and such to document the ladder so I could trouble
shoot it. All the time knowing some idiot engineer didn't think about
providing plc code and documentation to maintence.

Wes

Randy wrote:
I'm in Allentown, PA. I did get a Parts manual but not an operators
manual.

Jones and Shipman do not seem to offer much support if any, I called
for a wheel mount and they couldn't help at all.


Drop me an email in a couple days, if you do not hear from me again,
or drop a request onto this thread, and I should get it.

I'll have a boo and see what we have.

Been a bit scattered of late. If you get forgot, it's just that, not
intentional. :-)

Cheers
Trevor Jones

According to Trevor Jones :

[ ... ]

Drop me an email in a couple days, if you do not hear from me again,
or drop a request onto this thread, and I should get it.

I'll have a boo and see what we have.

O.K. I guess that last sentence is rhyming slang, but I don't
recognize it. At a guess, an alternate rhyming slang term would be
"Have a butcher's".

We don't seem to have that here -- more's the pity.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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DoN. Nichols wrote:
According to Trevor Jones :

[ ... ]


Drop me an email in a couple days, if you do not hear from me again,
or drop a request onto this thread, and I should get it.

I'll have a boo and see what we have.


O.K. I guess that last sentence is rhyming slang, but I don't
recognize it. At a guess, an alternate rhyming slang term would be
"Have a butcher's".

We don't seem to have that here -- more's the pity.

Enjoy,
DoN.

DoN,

Ya got me thinking.

The only thing I can come up with, is the game played with very small
children, where you cover your eyes, uncover them, and go "Boo".

Peek a boo. ?? Taking a look ?

Never thought about it before. It just is part of the language.

:-)

Cheers
Trevor Jones

According to Trevor Jones :
DoN. Nichols wrote:
According to Trevor Jones :

[ ... ]

I'll have a boo and see what we have.


O.K. I guess that last sentence is rhyming slang, but I don't
recognize it. At a guess, an alternate rhyming slang term would be
"Have a butcher's".

[ ... ]

Ya got me thinking.

The only thing I can come up with, is the game played with very small
children, where you cover your eyes, uncover them, and go "Boo".

Peek a boo. ?? Taking a look ?

O.K. That makes as much sense as I can expect from slang. :-)

Never thought about it before. It just is part of the language.

For you -- but not a common one here, which is why I asked. I
was previously puzzled by someone "having a butcher's" until that one
was explained to me.

Thanks,
DoN.

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On 9 Nov 2007 05:54:33 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm,
(DoN. Nichols) quickly quoth:

having a butcher's

-----------------------------------------------------------------
When I die, I'm leaving my body to science fiction. --Steven Wright
----------------------------

On 9 Nov 2007 05:54:33 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm,
(DoN. Nichols) quickly quoth:

According to Trevor Jones :
DoN. Nichols wrote:
According to Trevor Jones :

[ ... ]

I'll have a boo and see what we have.


O.K. I guess that last sentence is rhyming slang, but I don't
recognize it. At a guess, an alternate rhyming slang term would be
"Have a butcher's".

[ ... ]

Ya got me thinking.

The only thing I can come up with, is the game played with very small
children, where you cover your eyes, uncover them, and go "Boo".

Peek a boo. ?? Taking a look ?

O.K. That makes as much sense as I can expect from slang. :-)

Never thought about it before. It just is part of the language.

For you -- but not a common one here, which is why I asked. I
was previously puzzled by someone "having a butcher's" until that one
was explained to me.

So...what does it _mean_?

I couldn't find it in the idiom finder, but did find Uncle Bob:

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/bob's+your+uncle

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/boo doesn't have the context
Trevor used, either.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
When I die, I'm leaving my body to science fiction. --Steven Wright
----------------------------

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:28:03 -0500, Wes wrote:

Randy wrote:

Brian,
Yes, I do have the ladder logic printout and my Cousin has A-B
software, I just don't know if it's supposed to do what I want.


Yes, but a LL print out without the comments really sucks. Too many times I
have had to take a machine, pull the ladder, then run around it pressing
buttons, tripping sensors and such to document the ladder so I could trouble
shoot it. All the time knowing some idiot engineer didn't think about
providing plc code and documentation to maintence.

Wes

Printout does have comments, too bad I didn't get a disk with the
program on it.

I'll say thanks to Backus Automation for providing that info when they
did this back in 1997. And thanks to the guy I bought it from for
giving me all the doc's.

Thank You,
Randy

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DoN. Nichols wrote:


For you -- but not a common one here, which is why I asked. I
was previously puzzled by someone "having a butcher's" until that one
was explained to me.

Thanks,
DoN.


So, Do tell.

Not in the local parlance, that I am aware of.

Cheers
Trevor Jones

Randy wrote:

I'm in Allentown, PA. I did get a Parts manual but not an operators
manual.

Jones and Shipman do not seem to offer much support if any, I called
for a wheel mount and they couldn't help at all.




We have two copies of the parts book, some table sized prints of the
wiring/electronics layouts, and no operators manual.

Our machine is a circa 1992 or 1993 824T.

It was bought new. I suspect it has the original stone on it. It does
not get much used.

If we do not have a manual, methinks there was not one, but been wrong
before.

I do not have the capability to have the large prints scanned locally.
Ugh!

Cheers
Trevor Jones

According to Larry Jaques :
On 9 Nov 2007 05:54:33 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm,
(DoN. Nichols) quickly quoth:

According to Trevor Jones :

[ ... ]

Peek a boo. ?? Taking a look ?

O.K. That makes as much sense as I can expect from slang. :-)

Never thought about it before. It just is part of the language.

For you -- but not a common one here, which is why I asked. I
was previously puzzled by someone "having a butcher's" until that one
was explained to me.

So...what does it _mean_?

Look for "Cockney Rhyming Slang" to find many examples. This
particular one -- "Butcher's Hook" rhymes with "look", and the rhyming
word is usually left off -- apparently to make it more difficult to
guess. :-) "Plates of Meat" translates to "feet" in the same way, though
it seems to be used full length. That one is part of a whole song made
up of rhyming slang, and as I have heard it sung, the singer would point
to the appropriate body part -- it was cataloging the desirable features
of his girlfriend -- and nothing questionable in it.

I couldn't find it in the idiom finder, but did find Uncle Bob:

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/bob's+your+uncle

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/boo doesn't have the context
Trevor used, either.

Interesting. And the pattern for formation is not quite what
the rhyming slang would normally use, either, so it may come from a
different source.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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DoN. Nichols wrote:

According to Larry Jaques :

On 9 Nov 2007 05:54:33 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm,
(DoN. Nichols) quickly quoth:


According to Trevor Jones :


[ ... ]


Peek a boo. ?? Taking a look ?

O.K. That makes as much sense as I can expect from slang. :-)


Never thought about it before. It just is part of the language.

For you -- but not a common one here, which is why I asked. I
was previously puzzled by someone "having a butcher's" until that one
was explained to me.

So...what does it _mean_?


Look for "Cockney Rhyming Slang" to find many examples. This
particular one -- "Butcher's Hook" rhymes with "look", and the rhyming
word is usually left off -- apparently to make it more difficult to
guess. :-) "Plates of Meat" translates to "feet" in the same way, though
it seems to be used full length. That one is part of a whole song made
up of rhyming slang, and as I have heard it sung, the singer would point
to the appropriate body part -- it was cataloging the desirable features
of his girlfriend -- and nothing questionable in it.


I couldn't find it in the idiom finder, but did find Uncle Bob:

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/bob's+your+uncle

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/boo doesn't have the context
Trevor used, either.


Interesting. And the pattern for formation is not quite what
the rhyming slang would normally use, either, so it may come from a
different source.

Enjoy,
DoN.


Yeah! Funny thing about the interweb.

It only has the information that somebody bothered to put on a webpage.

Then you get to figure out if the information is correct. Ugh!

As afr as the "butcher's". I suspect that delivery and context have a
lot more to do with understanding intended meanings than we usually give
consious credit for. Standing alone the phrase "to take a butcher's"
only means anything to the folks tha have used it or heard it and
understood it. If it had been used in context, I would have expected to
at least been able to make a decent estimate of it's meaning, as I
suspect you were able to, in the usage of "have a boo".

Cheers
Trevor Jones
(one phrase richer!)

I could send or fax the 5 pages or so that I have, for some reason I
have 3 or 4 copies of those pages.

Covers startup, warmup, running and "parking the table".




On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:40:26 GMT, Trevor Jones
wrote:

Randy wrote:

I'm in Allentown, PA. I did get a Parts manual but not an operators
manual.

Jones and Shipman do not seem to offer much support if any, I called
for a wheel mount and they couldn't help at all.




We have two copies of the parts book, some table sized prints of the
wiring/electronics layouts, and no operators manual.

Our machine is a circa 1992 or 1993 824T.

It was bought new. I suspect it has the original stone on it. It does
not get much used.

If we do not have a manual, methinks there was not one, but been wrong
before.

I do not have the capability to have the large prints scanned locally.
Ugh!

Cheers
Trevor Jones
Thank You,
Randy

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