A friend of mine is helping clear out a property for estate sale. This
is in New Jersey.

The deceased owner was a collector to the point of being a pack rat, but
with expensive tastes.

Up to now they've identified:

Three South Bend lathes, one with 18" swing, 12 foot ways and two
others, a bench top and one on its own cast SB stand.

2-3 drill presses so far, floor and bench mounted, not sure yet of the
brand names

3 other engine lathes not yet reached to identify

1 Type "M" (Le Blanc?) horizontal mill

10-15 hit & miss engines, 1 apparently for marine use -- one is branded
John Deere

Several dozen Stanley planes and several dozen, as far as they have
gotten so far, other antique planes

At least 2 wood lathes

Miscellaneous tooling for everything, but which the people doing the
cleaning might not recognize, so ask and be prepared to send pictures to
help them identify tools

1 engine from a WW2 P51 Mustang , heads off, but may still be around
there

email: for more information and to get on the list
of people he'll send updates.

Apparently, the house, basement and outbuildings are so stuffed with
equipment that they literally have to clear paths just to see things
and a lot hasn't been found yet.

In article ,
"SteveB" wrote:

DO YOU NEED ANY HELP? I work on % basis, and have over 1,500 ebay sales,
with 99.7 satisfaction. Piecing it out on ebay might be the best way to get
the most money, but the longest and most labor intensive.

The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads or
not.

Steve

Steve,

email

He can let you know what kind of help he needs. The last I heard was
they were looking for people to buy lots for resale or to auction
themselves. I don't know too many specifics about that: I just get phone
calls from Kim telling me what the latest finds are and asking me to
post the availability.

John

On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:
The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads or
not.

Steve

I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.

"John Husvar" wrote in message
...
A friend of mine is helping clear out a property for estate sale. This
is in New Jersey.

The deceased owner was a collector to the point of being a pack rat, but
with expensive tastes.

Up to now they've identified:

Three South Bend lathes, one with 18" swing, 12 foot ways and two
others, a bench top and one on its own cast SB stand.

2-3 drill presses so far, floor and bench mounted, not sure yet of the
brand names

3 other engine lathes not yet reached to identify

1 Type "M" (Le Blanc?) horizontal mill

10-15 hit & miss engines, 1 apparently for marine use -- one is branded
John Deere

Several dozen Stanley planes and several dozen, as far as they have
gotten so far, other antique planes

At least 2 wood lathes

Miscellaneous tooling for everything, but which the people doing the
cleaning might not recognize, so ask and be prepared to send pictures to
help them identify tools

1 engine from a WW2 P51 Mustang , heads off, but may still be around
there

email: for more information and to get on the list
of people he'll send updates.

Apparently, the house, basement and outbuildings are so stuffed with
equipment that they literally have to clear paths just to see things
and a lot hasn't been found yet.

DO YOU NEED ANY HELP? I work on % basis, and have over 1,500 ebay sales,
with 99.7 satisfaction. Piecing it out on ebay might be the best way to get
the most money, but the longest and most labor intensive.

The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads or
not.

Steve

"woodworker88" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:
The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads
or
not.

Steve

I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.

IIRC, they used two different engines in the P51: Allison V-1710s in the
early ones, and Rolls-Royce Merlins (mostly Packard-built) in the late ones.

The Merlin was far superior.

--
Ed Huntress

In article ,
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

"woodworker88" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:
The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads
or
not.

Steve

I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.

IIRC, they used two different engines in the P51: Allison V-1710s in the
early ones, and Rolls-Royce Merlins (mostly Packard-built) in the late ones.

Ayep. And they're not sure which it is yet. They can see it, but not
reach it for a good look.


The Merlin was far superior.

--
Ed Huntress

I met a gentleman once who spoke of being mustered out of the service at the
end of WWII and scheduled to be married in two weeks. Passing through
Nevada on his way home he chanced across and purchased surplus for a total
of $10,000 one P-51 Mustang and two spare engines, new in their shipping
containers. It was nearly his total net worth at the time and his fiancée
made him give them back.

David Merrill


"woodworker88" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:
The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads
or
not.

Steve

I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.

Marriage could cost someone a lot of fortune indeed!

"David Merrill" wrote in message
news:HDKui.55769$Fc.6011@attbi_s21...
|I met a gentleman once who spoke of being mustered out of the service at
the
| end of WWII and scheduled to be married in two weeks. Passing through
| Nevada on his way home he chanced across and purchased surplus for a total
| of $10,000 one P-51 Mustang and two spare engines, new in their shipping
| containers. It was nearly his total net worth at the time and his fiancée
| made him give them back.
|
| David Merrill
|
|
|

SteveB wrote:
"woodworker88" wrote in message
ps.com...

On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:

The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads
or
not.

Steve

I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.



Or, I think Tom Cruise owns a P51. Maybe he can use a spare in case his
present one scientologically takes a crap.


He may own the airplane, but damned if I can see how he could possibly
reach the pedals...



That's a joke, son.

The museum would be a way for MANY people to enjoy the engine. I'm sure
there's a body somewhere waiting for an engine.

Steve

"woodworker88" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:
The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads
or
not.

Steve

I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.


Or, I think Tom Cruise owns a P51. Maybe he can use a spare in case his
present one scientologically takes a crap.

That's a joke, son.

The museum would be a way for MANY people to enjoy the engine. I'm sure
there's a body somewhere waiting for an engine.

Steve

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:52:34 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:


"woodworker88" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:
The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads
or
not.

Steve

I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.


Or, I think Tom Cruise owns a P51.

He apparently keeps it in a large closet. I suppose he has to, it's a
big thing to keep in a small closet.




--

Jim R Studdard wrote:

Marriage could cost someone a lot of fortune indeed!

"David Merrill" wrote in message
news:HDKui.55769$Fc.6011@attbi_s21...
|I met a gentleman once who spoke of being mustered out of the service at
the
| end of WWII and scheduled to be married in two weeks. Passing through
| Nevada on his way home he chanced across and purchased surplus for a total
| of $10,000 one P-51 Mustang and two spare engines, new in their shipping
| containers. It was nearly his total net worth at the time and his fiancée
| made him give them back.
|
| David Merrill
|
|
|



Dude! SHE would have had to be the one to go. There's a lot of women
out ther, but very few Mustangs.

Jim Chandler
Mustang lover

There are still over 100 airworthy and currently certificated P-51s
flying. Many more in multi-million dollar restoration programs. There
are many examples of Allison and Merlin V-12s in museums already. That
engine deserves to be in a flying P-51.
JR
Dweller in the cellar

woodworker88 wrote:

On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:

The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads or
not.

Steve


I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.



--
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Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes
Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive
The world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around me
No skeletons in the closet; just decomposing corpses
--------------------------------------------------------------
Dependence is Vulnerability:
--------------------------------------------------------------
"Open the Pod Bay Doors please, Hal"
"I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.."

"JR North" wrote in message
.. .
There are still over 100 airworthy and currently certificated P-51s
flying. Many more in multi-million dollar restoration programs. There are
many examples of Allison and Merlin V-12s in museums already. That engine
deserves to be in a flying P-51.
JR
Dweller in the cellar

At my father's funeral, January, 2002, two WW2 bombers and a P51 flew over.
He was a flight engineer on bombers in the South Pacific. Yes, it would do
good service in a flying specimen.

Steve

On Aug 9, 1:11 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"woodworker88" wrote in message

ps.com...

On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:
The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads
or
not.

Steve

I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.

IIRC, they used two different engines in the P51: Allison V-1710s in the
early ones, and Rolls-Royce Merlins (mostly Packard-built) in the late ones.

The Merlin was far superior.

--
Ed Huntress

Almost every significant British plane in use in europe in WW2 was
using the Merlin

Before i even start to research

the Merlin was used in Spitfires Hurricanes Lancasters Mosquitos
Mustang P51B and later

Its easier to list the places it was not used in europe than list
where it is used

I hope rolls royce still ahve the designs and patterns to an engine
with that much historical significance

"Brent" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Aug 9, 1:11 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"woodworker88" wrote in message

ps.com...

On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:
The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless.
Heads
or
not.

Steve

I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.

IIRC, they used two different engines in the P51: Allison V-1710s in the
early ones, and Rolls-Royce Merlins (mostly Packard-built) in the late
ones.

The Merlin was far superior.

--
Ed Huntress

Almost every significant British plane in use in europe in WW2 was
using the Merlin

Before i even start to research

the Merlin was used in Spitfires Hurricanes Lancasters Mosquitos
Mustang P51B and later

Its easier to list the places it was not used in europe than list
where it is used

I hope rolls royce still ahve the designs and patterns to an engine
with that much historical significance

Someone here on this NG was making a scale replica a couple or three years
ago. He had the castings made by a sophisticated aluminum casting company in
Canada, IIRC. I wonder how his project ended up?

--
Ed Huntress

On Aug 10, 5:22 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"Brent" wrote in message

ups.com...



On Aug 9, 1:11 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"woodworker88" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:
The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless.
Heads
or
not.

Steve

I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.

IIRC, they used two different engines in the P51: Allison V-1710s in the
early ones, and Rolls-Royce Merlins (mostly Packard-built) in the late
ones.

The Merlin was far superior.

--
Ed Huntress

Almost every significant British plane in use in europe in WW2 was
using the Merlin

Before i even start to research

the Merlin was used in Spitfires Hurricanes Lancasters Mosquitos
Mustang P51B and later

Its easier to list the places it was not used in europe than list
where it is used

I hope rolls royce still ahve the designs and patterns to an engine
with that much historical significance

Someone here on this NG was making a scale replica a couple or three years
ago. He had the castings made by a sophisticated aluminum casting company in
Canada, IIRC. I wonder how his project ended up?

--
Ed Huntress

If i get good enough as an hsm to look at a project like that and call
it anything less than crazy and impossible i'll consider myself to be
able to do a pretty good job.

in the meantime i might look for old diesels and 1 cylinder engines to
play with before i try digging into a racehorse piston engine like
that. Let alone trying to scale the engine down whilst taking into
account the "unshrinkables"

"Brent" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Aug 10, 5:22 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"Brent" wrote in message

ups.com...



On Aug 9, 1:11 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"woodworker88" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:
The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless.
Heads
or
not.

Steve

I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.

IIRC, they used two different engines in the P51: Allison V-1710s in
the
early ones, and Rolls-Royce Merlins (mostly Packard-built) in the late
ones.

The Merlin was far superior.

--
Ed Huntress

Almost every significant British plane in use in europe in WW2 was
using the Merlin

Before i even start to research

the Merlin was used in Spitfires Hurricanes Lancasters Mosquitos
Mustang P51B and later

Its easier to list the places it was not used in europe than list
where it is used

I hope rolls royce still ahve the designs and patterns to an engine
with that much historical significance

Someone here on this NG was making a scale replica a couple or three
years
ago. He had the castings made by a sophisticated aluminum casting company
in
Canada, IIRC. I wonder how his project ended up?

--
Ed Huntress

If i get good enough as an hsm to look at a project like that and call
it anything less than crazy and impossible i'll consider myself to be
able to do a pretty good job.

in the meantime i might look for old diesels and 1 cylinder engines to
play with before i try digging into a racehorse piston engine like
that. Let alone trying to scale the engine down whilst taking into
account the "unshrinkables"

I don't remember who the guy was, but he sure sounded like he knew what he
was doing, and he must have sunk a lot of money into it. I remember that he
uploaded photos of the castings somewhere. Maybe it was to the
Metalworking.com dropbox?

Anybody remember?

--
Ed Huntress

Aha! I found the 1/4-scale-model Merlin pix. Go to the dropbox
(Metalworking.com), 2001_retired_files, and search on "Merlin."

It's an amazing piece of work, by Tom Kay. There is a text file that
explains the project.

--
Ed Huntress

On Aug 10, 11:28 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
Aha! I found the 1/4-scale-model Merlin pix. Go to the dropbox
(Metalworking.com), 2001_retired_files, and search on "Merlin."

It's an amazing piece of work, by Tom Kay. There is a text file that
explains the project.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed I dont know it you had heard before but i mentioned how i thought
there were few metalworkers in my town

if the Few do work like that, who needs many. But ironically that
gentleman lives in my town. I think my curiosity may get the better
of me and i might follow up on that project.

The last place i figured to find someone working on amazing projects
like that was here in Ottawa

Brent Philion
Ottawa Canada

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:02:32 -0000, woodworker88
wrote:

On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:
The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads or
not.

Steve

I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.

********!
if it is in serviceable condition a call to the guys at reno should
see it taken in a flash.

Stealth Pilot

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:28:04 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

Aha! I found the 1/4-scale-model Merlin pix. Go to the dropbox
(Metalworking.com), 2001_retired_files, and search on "Merlin."

It's an amazing piece of work, by Tom Kay. There is a text file that
explains the project.

a quote from page 14 of the current edition of 'Model Engine Builder'

"Dick Yeagley's 1/8 scale Rolls-Royce merlin
"Currently this 1/8th scale working model of the famous WWII
Rolls-Royce Merlin is the worlds smallest. the length of each six
cylinder block is less than 5 inches..."

Stealth Pilot

"Stealth Pilot" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:28:04 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

Aha! I found the 1/4-scale-model Merlin pix. Go to the dropbox
(Metalworking.com), 2001_retired_files, and search on "Merlin."

It's an amazing piece of work, by Tom Kay. There is a text file that
explains the project.

a quote from page 14 of the current edition of 'Model Engine Builder'

"Dick Yeagley's 1/8 scale Rolls-Royce merlin
"Currently this 1/8th scale working model of the famous WWII
Rolls-Royce Merlin is the worlds smallest. the length of each six
cylinder block is less than 5 inches..."

Stealth Pilot

Assuming he has it running, that must be something to see. Does it have a
supercharger?

--
Ed Huntress

"Brent" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Aug 10, 11:28 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
Aha! I found the 1/4-scale-model Merlin pix. Go to the dropbox
(Metalworking.com), 2001_retired_files, and search on "Merlin."

It's an amazing piece of work, by Tom Kay. There is a text file that
explains the project.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed I dont know it you had heard before but i mentioned how i thought
there were few metalworkers in my town

if the Few do work like that, who needs many. But ironically that
gentleman lives in my town. I think my curiosity may get the better
of me and i might follow up on that project.

The last place i figured to find someone working on amazing projects
like that was here in Ottawa

Brent Philion
Ottawa Canada

If you reach Tom, please let us know how his project came out. I was writing
about aluminum castings at the time and I was impressed by the
sophistication of the castings he was using. Not to mention the machining,
of course.

--
Ed Huntress

On Aug 10, 3:48 pm, Brent wrote:
On Aug 9, 1:11 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:



"woodworker88" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:
The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads
or
not.

Steve

I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.

IIRC, they used two different engines in the P51: Allison V-1710s in the
early ones, and Rolls-Royce Merlins (mostly Packard-built) in the late ones.

The Merlin was far superior.

--
Ed Huntress

Almost every significant British plane in use in europe in WW2 was
using the Merlin

Before i even start to research

the Merlin was used in Spitfires Hurricanes Lancasters Mosquitos
Mustang P51B and later

Its easier to list the places it was not used in europe than list
where it is used

I hope rolls royce still ahve the designs and patterns to an engine
with that much historical significance

What about the Tempest/Typhoon with its Napier engine? Was that the
Sabre? There were radials on some of the British bombers.Bristol
engines I believe. Also, didn't the RR Griffon come into service
before end of the war? Didn't late model Spitfires use the Griffon?

"Stealth Pilot" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:02:32 -0000, woodworker88
wrote:

On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:
The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads
or
not.

Steve

I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.

********!
if it is in serviceable condition a call to the guys at reno should
see it taken in a flash.

Stealth Pilot

Yeah. You're right. I'm sure Tom Cruise could use a spare engine, and most
of the rich cats at Reno would like it too. Why waste it on the general
public, or "civilians"?

Steve

RCM: on the topic line to help filter out teh mess?

SEJW: Are you guys getting sprayed?

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
news:iFRvi.2428$jy5.706@trnddc07...
RCM: on the topic line to help filter out teh mess?

SEJW: Are you guys getting sprayed?

It has lessened at sci.engr.joining.welding. Anyone want to contribute to
the hit fund?

Steve

On Aug 11, 10:31 am, Don Stauffer in Minnesota
wrote:
On Aug 10, 3:48 pm, Brent wrote:



On Aug 9, 1:11 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:

"woodworker88" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:
The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads
or
not.

Steve

I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.

IIRC, they used two different engines in the P51: Allison V-1710s in the
early ones, and Rolls-Royce Merlins (mostly Packard-built) in the late ones.

The Merlin was far superior.

--
Ed Huntress

Almost every significant British plane in use in europe in WW2 was
using the Merlin

Before i even start to research

the Merlin was used in Spitfires Hurricanes Lancasters Mosquitos
Mustang P51B and later

Its easier to list the places it was not used in europe than list
where it is used

I hope rolls royce still ahve the designs and patterns to an engine
with that much historical significance

What about the Tempest/Typhoon with its Napier engine? Was that the
Sabre? There were radials on some of the British bombers.Bristol
engines I believe. Also, didn't the RR Griffon come into service
before end of the war? Didn't late model Spitfires use the Griffon?


yes they did. the Griffin was used in production starting w/ the Spit
mk. 9, making the cowling 9" longer and pumped out 1600 hp w/ a 2
stage supercharger(vs. the 1400 hp Merlin). Was quite the surprise
for the germans when suddenly they would see a Spit outrunning/
outclimbing/outmanouvering everything in the sky. apparently
eyeballing the extra 9" in the cowling was a little difficult in a
dogfight, which lead to some very shocked faces and splashed Me's and
Fw's.

I too want to find this guy. trained as a machinist/toolmaker and
just getting out of school, I'm in awe...that project is incredible to
take on in such detail.

mark
ottawa, canada

On Aug 11, 10:31 am, Don Stauffer in Minnesota
wrote:
On Aug 10, 3:48 pm, Brent wrote:



On Aug 9, 1:11 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:

"woodworker88" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Aug 9, 9:10 am, "SteveB" wrote:
The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads
or
not.

Steve

I would suggest considering donating that particular gem to an
aerospace museum which would be able to restore it and put it on
display. This piece of history deserves to be out where people can
appreciate it.

IIRC, they used two different engines in the P51: Allison V-1710s in the
early ones, and Rolls-Royce Merlins (mostly Packard-built) in the late ones.

The Merlin was far superior.

--
Ed Huntress

Almost every significant British plane in use in europe in WW2 was
using the Merlin

Before i even start to research

the Merlin was used in Spitfires Hurricanes Lancasters Mosquitos
Mustang P51B and later

Its easier to list the places it was not used in europe than list
where it is used

I hope rolls royce still ahve the designs and patterns to an engine
with that much historical significance

What about the Tempest/Typhoon with its Napier engine? Was that the
Sabre? There were radials on some of the British bombers.Bristol
engines I believe. Also, didn't the RR Griffon come into service
before end of the war? Didn't late model Spitfires use the Griffon?

I'm looking at the Planes in terms of when they were most important.
IMO the Hurricane and spitfire were most critical in the battle of
britain early on in the war. they were part of a chorus of fighters at
a later point even though they were likel still wonderful machines to
fly and fight in.

the Lancaster and the P51 were more influential later in the war as
offensive bombers and as the long range escort

and during all those phases those planes were using the Merlin

In the Pacific my opinion is totally different

but i was not there and didn't do it and i would not be surprised if
there are ww2 vets reading this. If one cares to tell me to stuff it
my answer will be "yes sir"

Its merely my opinion.

Brent
Ottawa Canada

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:27:41 -0700, Brent
wrote:

On Aug 11, 10:31 am, Don Stauffer in Minnesota
wrote:
On Aug 10, 3:48 pm, Brent wrote:



On Aug 9, 1:11 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
snip
I'm looking at the Planes in terms of when they were most important.
IMO the Hurricane and spitfire were most critical in the battle of
britain early on in the war. they were part of a chorus of fighters at
a later point even though they were likel still wonderful machines to
fly and fight in.

the Lancaster and the P51 were more influential later in the war as
offensive bombers and as the long range escort

and during all those phases those planes were using the Merlin

In the Pacific my opinion is totally different

but i was not there and didn't do it and i would not be surprised if
there are ww2 vets reading this. If one cares to tell me to stuff it
my answer will be "yes sir"

Its merely my opinion.

Brent
Ottawa Canada

My dad was there, Pacific and Europe, although not anywhere near as
early as the Battle of Britain. He joined in July, '41, and didn't
get to Pearl until June '42. He flew behind Allisons, P&W R2800's,
and Packard Merlins.

I was always amazed at the P&W R-2800 and the number of planes it
powered. Dad's was the P-47, but there were also the Corsair,
Hellcat, P-61 Black Widow, B-26 Marauder, and A-26 Invader. I bet I
left out others, but those were the WWII fighters and bombers I'm
aware of.

Pete Keillor

Pete Keillor wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:27:41 -0700, Brent
wrote:

On Aug 11, 10:31 am, Don Stauffer in Minnesota
wrote:
On Aug 10, 3:48 pm, Brent wrote:



On Aug 9, 1:11 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
snip
I'm looking at the Planes in terms of when they were most important.
IMO the Hurricane and spitfire were most critical in the battle of
britain early on in the war. they were part of a chorus of fighters at
a later point even though they were likel still wonderful machines to
fly and fight in.

the Lancaster and the P51 were more influential later in the war as
offensive bombers and as the long range escort

and during all those phases those planes were using the Merlin

In the Pacific my opinion is totally different

but i was not there and didn't do it and i would not be surprised if
there are ww2 vets reading this. If one cares to tell me to stuff it
my answer will be "yes sir"

Its merely my opinion.

Brent
Ottawa Canada

My dad was there, Pacific and Europe, although not anywhere near as
early as the Battle of Britain. He joined in July, '41, and didn't
get to Pearl until June '42. He flew behind Allisons, P&W R2800's,
and Packard Merlins.

I was always amazed at the P&W R-2800 and the number of planes it
powered. Dad's was the P-47, but there were also the Corsair,
Hellcat, P-61 Black Widow, B-26 Marauder, and A-26 Invader. I bet I
left out others, but those were the WWII fighters and bombers I'm
aware of.

Pete Keillor



It also powered some military cargo planes including the C-46 C-118
C-131 and a number of civilian commercial passenger planes.


John

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:10:17 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:

The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads or
not.

Oh come off it! They're not cheap, but they're hardly "priceless". A
few tens of thousand, depending on model and condition.

If you want a Merlin (Hey, I'm a Brit), there are two dealers for them
and their spares within an hour's drive of my house. And that's not
counting R-R themselves, who are just down the road.

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
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On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:10:17 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:

The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads or
not.

Oh come off it! They're not cheap, but they're hardly "priceless". A
few tens of thousand, depending on model and condition.

If you want a Merlin (Hey, I'm a Brit), there are two dealers for them
and their spares within an hour's drive of my house. And that's not
counting R-R themselves, who are just down the road.

Then, as you say, let's pop down there and pick up a set. I'm sure there
are different grades. Some in original cosmoline. Some in original boxes.
Others reworked several times.

Oh, come on! They're valuable. Quit nit picking. It's not something the
average "bloke" would have laying around their garage, or even have a need
for in their lifetime.

Steve

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:10:17 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:

The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads or
not.

Oh come off it! They're not cheap, but they're hardly "priceless". A
few tens of thousand, depending on model and condition.

If you want a Merlin (Hey, I'm a Brit), there are two dealers for them
and their spares within an hour's drive of my house. And that's not
counting R-R themselves, who are just down the road.

One possible problem. The P51 used a Packard Merlin. As far as I know, many
parts were not interchangeable with the RR Merlin.

Steve R.



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On Aug 16, 8:45 pm, "Steve R." **************@**********.*** wrote:
"Andy Dingley" wrote in message

...

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:10:17 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:

The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads or
not.

Oh come off it! They're not cheap, but they're hardly "priceless". A
few tens of thousand, depending on model and condition.

If you want a Merlin (Hey, I'm a Brit), there are two dealers for them
and their spares within an hour's drive of my house. And that's not
counting R-R themselves, who are just down the road.

One possible problem. The P51 used a Packard Merlin. As far as I know, many
parts were not interchangeable with the RR Merlin.

Steve R.

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From what i read when packard got the merlin they did modify elements
to make it more mass producible and more serviceabble but that the
changes were sent back to RR and incorporated into later merlins

That having said you might be right on an early war merlin (hurricane
or early spitfire) that the parts from a packard merlin might not be
interchangeable

But thats why the machinist exists right? To MTFTW (Make the F%$&ing
thing work)

Brent
Ottawa Canada

On Aug 16, 1:29 pm, Andy Dingley wrote:
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:10:17 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:

The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads or
not.

Oh come off it! They're not cheap, but they're hardly "priceless". A
few tens of thousand, depending on model and condition.

If you want a Merlin (Hey, I'm a Brit), there are two dealers for them
and their spares within an hour's drive of my house. And that's not
counting R-R themselves, who are just down the road.

A working airframe ESPECIALLY a lancaster is nearly priceless

A figher with the same engine has a lot less parts and is more "sexy"
than the bomber but the bomber might hold a bigger part in history

I only know of 2 flying Lancasters and a 3rd tht Landed at the
Canadian aviation museum as a working airframe but that will likely
never fly again. Compare that to 200 flying P51's and there is a point
to be made about rarity

On Aug 9, 6:37 pm, JR North wrote:
There are still over 100 airworthy and currently certificated P-51s
flying. Many more in multi-million dollar restoration programs. There
are many examples of Allison and Merlin V-12s in museums already. That
engine deserves to be in a flying P-51.
JR
Dweller in the cellar


Sounds good to me. I love to see the old planes in any state they're
in...

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:48:42 -0600, "SteveB" wrote:
"Andy Dingley" wrote...
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:10:17 -0700, "SteveB" wrote:

The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads or
not.

Oh come off it! They're not cheap, but they're hardly "priceless". A
few tens of thousand, depending on model and condition.

If you want a Merlin (Hey, I'm a Brit), there are two dealers for them
and their spares within an hour's drive of my house. And that's not
counting R-R themselves, who are just down the road.

Then, as you say, let's pop down there and pick up a set. I'm sure there
are different grades. Some in original cosmoline. Some in original boxes.
Others reworked several times.

Oh, come on! They're valuable. Quit nit picking. It's not something the
average "bloke" would have laying around their garage, or even have a need
for in their lifetime.

If they were still readily available /at/ /a/ /reasonable/ /price/
on the surplus market I can think of lots of fun reasons to have a
Merlin motor or two laying around the garage waiting for a project...

They'd make good large spark-ignition emergency generator plant,
probably good for 100KW continuous (not overstressed) and 150KW surge.
Which would be plenty for any light industrial setting where you don't
want to deal with the noise and smoke of a Diesel, since a gasoline
engine is inherently easier to silence. Easy enough to set-up as
multi-fuel on natural gas or LPG or gasoline.

And it would be fun to build your own Monster Truck without having
to spend big bucks for high-deck racing blocks with Superchargers and
Nitromethane to get the power you need. Or they're just the right
size for a larger single-engine ski boat with the power to tow
multiple skiers at once - look out, Lake Mead.

It's been said before, there is no substitute for Cubic Inches.

-- Bruce --

"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:48:42 -0600, "SteveB" wrote:
"Andy Dingley" wrote...
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:10:17 -0700, "SteveB" wrote:

The P51 engine (if that's what it is) would be almost priceless. Heads
or
not.

Oh come off it! They're not cheap, but they're hardly "priceless". A
few tens of thousand, depending on model and condition.

If you want a Merlin (Hey, I'm a Brit), there are two dealers for them
and their spares within an hour's drive of my house. And that's not
counting R-R themselves, who are just down the road.

Then, as you say, let's pop down there and pick up a set. I'm sure there
are different grades. Some in original cosmoline. Some in original
boxes.
Others reworked several times.

Oh, come on! They're valuable. Quit nit picking. It's not something the
average "bloke" would have laying around their garage, or even have a need
for in their lifetime.

If they were still readily available /at/ /a/ /reasonable/ /price/
on the surplus market I can think of lots of fun reasons to have a
Merlin motor or two laying around the garage waiting for a project...

They'd make good large spark-ignition emergency generator plant,
probably good for 100KW continuous (not overstressed) and 150KW surge.
Which would be plenty for any light industrial setting where you don't
want to deal with the noise and smoke of a Diesel, since a gasoline
engine is inherently easier to silence. Easy enough to set-up as
multi-fuel on natural gas or LPG or gasoline.

And it would be fun to build your own Monster Truck without having
to spend big bucks for high-deck racing blocks with Superchargers and
Nitromethane to get the power you need. Or they're just the right
size for a larger single-engine ski boat with the power to tow
multiple skiers at once - look out, Lake Mead.

It's been said before, there is no substitute for Cubic Inches.

Some have been used for tractor-pull motors. Also, some Hollywood actor back
in the '70s had one installed in his Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow. It fit in
very nicely but fuel mileage sucked.

--
Ed Huntress