Enco vs. KBC
I found that Enco has their parts linked to their shopping cart,
while KBC wants you to type in the whole schlemiel. My $0.02 |
Enco vs. KBC
According to Louis Ohland :
I found that Enco has their parts linked to their shopping cart, while KBC wants you to type in the whole schlemiel. My $0.02 Can't you cut and paste? Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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Louis Ohland wrote:
I found that Enco has their parts linked to their shopping cart, while KBC wants you to type in the whole schlemiel. My $0.02 Use the search function. Type in the name of what you want. Size. Volume. Whatever. Look at results. Click on item on list, to see catalog page to confirm item. Click on "add" to add to your shopping list. Works fine for me. Going from page to page is only fun in a paper catalog. Cheers Trevor Jones |
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DoN. Nichols wrote: According to Louis Ohland : I found that Enco has their parts linked to their shopping cart, while KBC wants you to type in the whole schlemiel. My $0.02 Can't you cut and paste? Enjoy, DoN. |
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If I knew exactly what I was looking for, this would work. I find it
much less confusing if I can see the item while choosing. Trevor Jones wrote: Louis Ohland wrote: I found that Enco has their parts linked to their shopping cart, while KBC wants you to type in the whole schlemiel. My $0.02 Use the search function. Type in the name of what you want. Size. Volume. Whatever. Look at results. Click on item on list, to see catalog page to confirm item. Click on "add" to add to your shopping list. Works fine for me. Going from page to page is only fun in a paper catalog. Cheers Trevor Jones |
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Louis Ohland wrote:
If I knew exactly what I was looking for, this would work. I find it much less confusing if I can see the item while choosing. In what way do you mean? You don't know what exactly you are looking for? The setup works pretty well for keeping our shop stocked. Need drills, search drill. Peruse list. Modify search to include size and material. Click. Add. Need 1/2" endmills? Search it. Add it to the list. It does help to keep the site open on two pages. You quickly learn the "language" of the site, and how to find what you need, I have learned. For just browsing and cruising through, the paper catalog still beats any web page setup I have ever found. It's not a perfect system, but it works OK, and it's about the best available to me here in Canada, without having to deal with cross border issues and brokerage fee's. The quality of the goods on offer is a step up from Enco, in many cases, as well. Just another thing to learn. Cheers Trevor Jones |
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On Jul 31, 8:27 am, Trevor Jones wrote:
Louis Ohland wrote: If I knew exactly what I was looking for, this would work. I find it much less confusing if I can see the item while choosing. In what way do you mean? You don't know what exactly you are looking for? The setup works pretty well for keeping our shop stocked. Need drills, search drill. Peruse list. Modify search to include size and material. Click. Add. Need 1/2" endmills? Search it. Add it to the list. It does help to keep the site open on two pages. You quickly learn the "language" of the site, and how to find what you need, I have learned. For just browsing and cruising through, the paper catalog still beats any web page setup I have ever found. It's not a perfect system, but it works OK, and it's about the best available to me here in Canada, without having to deal with cross border issues and brokerage fee's. The quality of the goods on offer is a step up from Enco, in many cases, as well. Just another thing to learn. Cheers Trevor Jones Having used both it TOTALLY agree with Trevor and having had a PROLEM with a KBC product and seen how they deal with customer service Issues (they sent me a rusty russian level) the only way i could be made to "use-enco" again is when they have the AXA sized lathe toolposts on for $100 with 5-6 holders. (1/3rd the price of any i've seen imported to canada) I always prefer paper catalogs to "shopping carts" when i call the order desk they are NOT machinists but they have a good lookup nonetheless and those on the receiving end SEEM to know at least a bit about tools. For a place that COULD have been turned into a pure call centre dealing with a person with even a basic understanding of the tools and products they sell is a very good thing but tey have a very good selection of tools they are prompt and they deal with "issues" very well the only think i waish is that they had a few more "flags" If i cant buy Canadian or American i'd LIKE to buy tools for the G7 if possible before i buy a chinese tool. I am the type o person who WILL pay a premium for "made in canada" but admittedly there IS a limit, i wont pay double for the same thing to the same fit and finish |
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Not being sarcastic, but I was unaware that Canada has much
industrial capacity for turning out manufactured goods. I know Canada exports wheat, timber, Red Green Show, and bad beer. Open my eyes to decent Canadian tool makers. On a related note, I cannot see why it is impossible for continental american machinery manufacturers to compete with the pac rim manufacturers, except for the unfortunate existence of punitive government. Brent wrote: the only think i waish is that they had a few more "flags" If i cant buy Canadian or American i'd LIKE to buy tools for the G7 if possible before i buy a chinese tool. I am the type o person who WILL pay a premium for "made in canada" but admittedly there IS a limit, i wont pay double for the same thing to the same fit and finish |
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A list of places I'd rather buy from, since the manufacturers operate
under business law and there is legal recourse or protection. If I've overlooked somebody, please do tell. Austria Canada Czech Republic (oh, Skoda!) Japan Germany Poland (Bison is pretty damn good) Taiwan (they can't range us with ballistic missiles) UK Ukraine? US Louis Ohland wrote: the only think i waish is that they had a few more "flags" If i cant buy Canadian or American i'd LIKE to buy tools for the G7 if possible before i buy a chinese tool. |
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On Jul 31, 9:30 am, Louis Ohland wrote:
Not being sarcastic, but I was unaware that Canada has much industrial capacity for turning out manufactured goods. I know Canada exports wheat, timber, Red Green Show, and bad beer. Open my eyes to decent Canadian tool makers. On a related note, I cannot see why it is impossible for continental american machinery manufacturers to compete with the pac rim manufacturers, except for the unfortunate existence of punitive government. Brent wrote: the only think i waish is that they had a few more "flags" If i cant buy Canadian or American i'd LIKE to buy tools for the G7 if possible before i buy a chinese tool. I am the type o person who WILL pay a premium for "made in canada" but admittedly there IS a limit, i wont pay double for the same thing to the same fit and finish There isnt a LOT of finished industrial products but there is a lOT of backgound work. I once heard that 60% of the journeyman moldmakers on earth are based in windsor ontario. but remember too canada has just slightly more than 1/8th the population of the us in 1.5 times the area. We ARE better known for our resources but i general ther is at leat ONE canadian firm making one of everything from Underwear (Stanfields) to outdoor products (Mountain equipment Co-op) to milling machines (excello) to Vehicles (Stryker LAV's and LAV 4's are built in London Ontario at a General Dynamics factory) and the canadian auto indistry has multiple factories DESPITE the cutbacks. (Canadian automotive jobs have stayed stable, The more the Big 3 Cut the more the foreign companies like honda hire) Agreed we are NOT known for our heavy manufacturing but it IS there. If i had a choice i'd RATHER own old canadian machine tools to old American but i will take my Index mill over a new imported one any day ESPECIALLY for what i paid for it. |
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On Jul 31, 9:36 am, Louis Ohland wrote:
A list of places I'd rather buy from, since the manufacturers operate under business law and there is legal recourse or protection. If I've overlooked somebody, please do tell. Austria Canada Czech Republic (oh, Skoda!) Japan Germany Poland (Bison is pretty damn good) Taiwan (they can't range us with ballistic missiles) UK Ukraine? US Louis Ohland wrote: the only think i waish is that they had a few more "flags" If i cant buy Canadian or American i'd LIKE to buy tools for the G7 if possible before i buy a chinese tool. Start with the G7 USA Canada UK France Italy Japan Germany All are Industrialized democracies with proper protections for the workers. I'm iffy about russia since it always HAS been a meat grinder against its workers |
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Pretty sparse. But I did find what I knew was true for all these years -
Canadian World Domination http://cwd.ptbcanadian.net/index2.html I knew the movie "Canadian Bacon" was based on facts... Brent wrote: On Jul 31, 9:30 am, Louis Ohland wrote: Not being sarcastic, but I was unaware that Canada has much industrial capacity for turning out manufactured goods. I know Canada exports wheat, timber, Red Green Show, and bad beer. Open my eyes to decent Canadian tool makers. On a related note, I cannot see why it is impossible for continental american machinery manufacturers to compete with the pac rim manufacturers, except for the unfortunate existence of punitive government. Brent wrote: the only think i waish is that they had a few more "flags" If i cant buy Canadian or American i'd LIKE to buy tools for the G7 if possible before i buy a chinese tool. I am the type o person who WILL pay a premium for "made in canada" but admittedly there IS a limit, i wont pay double for the same thing to the same fit and finish There isnt a LOT of finished industrial products but there is a lOT of backgound work. I once heard that 60% of the journeyman moldmakers on earth are based in windsor ontario. but remember too canada has just slightly more than 1/8th the population of the us in 1.5 times the area. We ARE better known for our resources but i general ther is at leat ONE canadian firm making one of everything from Underwear (Stanfields) to outdoor products (Mountain equipment Co-op) to milling machines (excello) to Vehicles (Stryker LAV's and LAV 4's are built in London Ontario at a General Dynamics factory) and the canadian auto indistry has multiple factories DESPITE the cutbacks. (Canadian automotive jobs have stayed stable, The more the Big 3 Cut the more the foreign companies like honda hire) Agreed we are NOT known for our heavy manufacturing but it IS there. If i had a choice i'd RATHER own old canadian machine tools to old American but i will take my Index mill over a new imported one any day ESPECIALLY for what i paid for it. |
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On Jul 31, 9:30 am, Louis Ohland wrote:
Not being sarcastic, but I was unaware that Canada has much industrial capacity for turning out manufactured goods. I know Canada exports wheat, timber, Red Green Show, and bad beer. Open my eyes to decent Canadian tool makers. On a related note, I cannot see why it is impossible for continental american machinery manufacturers to compete with the pac rim manufacturers, except for the unfortunate existence of punitive government. Brent wrote: the only think i waish is that they had a few more "flags" If i cant buy Canadian or American i'd LIKE to buy tools for the G7 if possible before i buy a chinese tool. I am the type o person who WILL pay a premium for "made in canada" but admittedly there IS a limit, i wont pay double for the same thing to the same fit and finish And before i forget Tennsmith Make Sheet Metal tools in windsor Excello Made mills in London And Standard Modern makes lathes in missisauga Bombardier/CanAm are a HUGE manufacturer once you figure in the Rail and Aviation Division but also the Bombardier/CanAm Atv's and they are all Canadian |
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IIRC, the French government is actively involved in industrial
espionage. Other than cheese, whine, and sultry women, is there anything of note made in France that is in demand? Italy? Fast cars, good wine, fine weapons. Other than that, what is their industrial base? Note I said Ukraine with ???, not Russia. I've seen some decent stuff from there (adjustable tang sight with windage/elevation), but no machine tools to speak of. FWIW, I think Belorussia (sp?) is a basket case. Brent wrote: Start with the G7 USA Canada UK France Italy Japan Germany All are Industrialized democracies with proper protections for the workers. I'm iffy about russia since it always HAS been a meat grinder against its workers |
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Stellram® is a globally integrated technology leader in the development of metalcutting answers for turning, milling, threading, drilling and grooving applications. Brent wrote: On Jul 31, 9:30 am, Louis Ohland wrote: Not being sarcastic, but I was unaware that Canada has much industrial capacity for turning out manufactured goods. I know Canada exports wheat, timber, Red Green Show, and bad beer. Open my eyes to decent Canadian tool makers. On a related note, I cannot see why it is impossible for continental american machinery manufacturers to compete with the pac rim manufacturers, except for the unfortunate existence of punitive government. Brent wrote: the only think i waish is that they had a few more "flags" If i cant buy Canadian or American i'd LIKE to buy tools for the G7 if possible before i buy a chinese tool. I am the type o person who WILL pay a premium for "made in canada" but admittedly there IS a limit, i wont pay double for the same thing to the same fit and finish And before i forget Tennsmith Make Sheet Metal tools in windsor Excello Made mills in London And Standard Modern makes lathes in missisauga Bombardier/CanAm are a HUGE manufacturer once you figure in the Rail and Aviation Division but also the Bombardier/CanAm Atv's and they are all Canadian |
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http://www.iscar.ca/ Louis Ohland wrote: http://www.atistellram.com/ Stellram® is a globally integrated technology leader in the development of metalcutting answers for turning, milling, threading, drilling and grooving applications. Brent wrote: On Jul 31, 9:30 am, Louis Ohland wrote: Not being sarcastic, but I was unaware that Canada has much industrial capacity for turning out manufactured goods. I know Canada exports wheat, timber, Red Green Show, and bad beer. Open my eyes to decent Canadian tool makers. On a related note, I cannot see why it is impossible for continental american machinery manufacturers to compete with the pac rim manufacturers, except for the unfortunate existence of punitive government. Brent wrote: the only think i waish is that they had a few more "flags" If i cant buy Canadian or American i'd LIKE to buy tools for the G7 if possible before i buy a chinese tool. I am the type o person who WILL pay a premium for "made in canada" but admittedly there IS a limit, i wont pay double for the same thing to the same fit and finish And before i forget Tennsmith Make Sheet Metal tools in windsor Excello Made mills in London And Standard Modern makes lathes in missisauga Bombardier/CanAm are a HUGE manufacturer once you figure in the Rail and Aviation Division but also the Bombardier/CanAm Atv's and they are all Canadian |
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I dimly remember the canadian jet fighter that was scrapped back in the
late 60s early 70s. What was it? Nick Hull wrote: In article , Louis Ohland wrote: Not being sarcastic, but I was unaware that Canada has much industrial capacity for turning out manufactured goods. I know Canada exports wheat, timber, Red Green Show, and bad beer. Canada certainly makes airplanes |
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"Brent" wrote in message ps.com... There isnt a LOT of finished industrial products but there is a lOT of backgound work. I once heard that 60% of the journeyman moldmakers on earth are based in windsor ontario. but remember too canada has just slightly more than 1/8th the population of the us in 1.5 times the area. Canadian automotive-parts producers do a lot of volume, both for car manufacturers in Canada and in the US. The industries that serve them -- in particular the moldmakers and other toolmakers in Windsor -- are some of the best and do a *lot* of volume. The actual volume has something to do with the state of the $US versus the $CAN at any point in time. The same work can be done on either side of the border. The percentage of GDP represented by manufacturing in Canada is around 18%. In the US, it's 15%. -- Ed Huntress |
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In article ,
Louis Ohland wrote: Not being sarcastic, but I was unaware that Canada has much industrial capacity for turning out manufactured goods. I know Canada exports wheat, timber, Red Green Show, and bad beer. Canada certainly makes airplanes |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:30:35 -0500, Louis Ohland
wrote: On a related note, I cannot see why it is impossible for continental american machinery manufacturers to compete with the pac rim manufacturers, except for the unfortunate existence of punitive government. ========== While bungling and kleptocratic government may play a part, in the main the problem is incompetent executives who know everything about management theory and nothing at all about machine tools or manufacturing. Germany and Austria appear to be able to maintain a viable machine tool industry, with considerable exports. In machine tools, as in much of manufacturing, your reputation, and your accumulated expertise (which in many cases is in the heads and hands of your hourly employees) is all you have. When you lose (or scrap) these for the quick dollar, you then have nothing. The American machine tool industry took generations to create and only a decade to destroy, when the leaders and innovators were replaced by "suits" with the goal of maximizing short term paper profits (and their bonuses). Apparently they never heard (or at least understood) the story about the goose that laid the golden eggs, and what happened when she was cut open to get all the eggs at one time… A good read on what it took to create the machine tool industry in the US is a reprint by Lindsay Books "English and American Tool Builders: The men who created machine tools" by Joseph Wickham Roe ISBN0-917914-73-2 (apparently no longer available at Lindsay's) Click on http://www.amazon.com/English-Americ...897945&sr=11-1 http://finderscheapers.com/books/1/4...s/Compare.aspx You can also check any of the sites that locate books by ISBN numbers. Unka' George [George McDuffee] ============ Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), U.S. president. Letter, 17 March 1814. |
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"F. George McDuffee" wrote in message ... When you lose (or scrap) these for the quick dollar, you then have nothing. The American machine tool industry took generations to create and only a decade to destroy, when the leaders and innovators were replaced by "suits" with the goal of maximizing short term paper profits (and their bonuses). Apparently they never heard (or at least understood) the story about the goose that laid the golden eggs, and what happened when she was cut open to get all the eggs at one time. A major issue was that the American machine tool industry was based on a business model that had remained unchanged for nearly a century, and it got caught short when changes came along. The capacity of US builders was geared toward the "dips" in sales. When sales climbed, they let their backlogs grow (Moore Special Tool had a 32-month backlog on jig grinders when I was an editor at American Machinist). Meantime, aided by the banks who effectively owned them and by subsidized interest rates by their government, Japanese builders kept building their capacity and warehoused unsold machines in the western states of the US. When the upturn came, you could have a LeBlond in six months, or a Mori Seiki next week. The Japanese builders cleaned the clocks of the US builders on every upswing for nearly a decade. US builders now are a lot smarter, quicker, and better financed -- the ones that are still standing. -- Ed Huntress |
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Brent wrote:
the only think i waish is that they had a few more "flags" If i cant buy Canadian or American i'd LIKE to buy tools for the G7 if possible before i buy a chinese tool. I am the type o person who WILL pay a premium for "made in canada" but admittedly there IS a limit, i wont pay double for the same thing to the same fit and finish I too would rather see the actual country of origin specified. "Import" covers too much ground. I do not have the same expectations, dealing with imports from some countries as others. A lot of the eastern Europe tooling was a very good buy (gone up in price, though), while some of the US and Canadian labelled stuff was as bad as the low end Chinese product. Cheers Trevor Jones |
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Louis Ohland wrote:
Not being sarcastic, but I was unaware that Canada has much industrial capacity for turning out manufactured goods. I know Canada exports wheat, timber, Red Green Show, and bad beer. Open my eyes to decent Canadian tool makers. On a related note, I cannot see why it is impossible for continental american machinery manufacturers to compete with the pac rim manufacturers, except for the unfortunate existence of punitive government. Brent wrote: the only think i waish is that they had a few more "flags" If i cant buy Canadian or American i'd LIKE to buy tools for the G7 if possible before i buy a chinese tool. I am the type o person who WILL pay a premium for "made in canada" but admittedly there IS a limit, i wont pay double for the same thing to the same fit and finish Standard Modern lathes is about what's left, if you mean machine tools. Nothing special, but still able to survive. Our industrial capacity is being run down and outsourced by graduates of the same fine business schools that are responsible for a lot of the US's business going offshore. We have a smaller population to absorb the losses. shrug I'd lay a good bet that there is a lot of stuff that is local to you, or relatively so, that you are unaware of. That you are not seeing the stuff from up here, is by no means an indicator that it does not exist. I was a spectator at the manufacturing tech. show at Toronto last year. Not huge, but I was there for 8 hours, and felt I could easilly have spent two more days there in order to see most of the displays and get a reasonable feel for what was of interest http://www.cmts.ca/floorplan.asp There was a similar, though smaller show in Edmonton AB this year. I met a gentleman from an outfit outside of Calgary that is grinding several tons a year of custon carbide endmills and reamers for industrial use. He is one example of many entrepaneurial types that I met that are running large dollar shops, pretty much under the radar. From his client list, I would find it tough to think that at some point, you have not handled some product that was downstream of some of his cutters. Bad beer??? You prefer yours without either flavor or alcohol content? You loss. More for us!! :-) I will admit that some of the smaller US breweries product has been pretty good, but the mass market swill is...swill. I can say about the same for our mass market stuff, too, if I want to be truthful about it, but I'll take our swill over yours! :-P Cheers Trevor Jones |
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Louis Ohland wrote:
I dimly remember the canadian jet fighter that was scrapped back in the late 60s early 70s. What was it? Avro Arrow. Killed off by the Diefenbaker government, and still being debated in conspiracy-theory tones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CF-105_Arrow Also the Canadair CF-100 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_CF-100 Pretty long list of companies that are not around any more, too. Same as in the States. Some dead of natural mismanagement, some of takeovers by the competition. Cheers Trevor Jones |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:48:29 GMT, Trevor Jones
wrote: Brent wrote: the only think i waish is that they had a few more "flags" If i cant buy Canadian or American i'd LIKE to buy tools for the G7 if possible before i buy a chinese tool. I am the type o person who WILL pay a premium for "made in canada" but admittedly there IS a limit, i wont pay double for the same thing to the same fit and finish I too would rather see the actual country of origin specified. "Import" covers too much ground. I'll second that. I too would like to see the country of origin spec'd. in all catalog and web site listings. Thank You, Randy Remove 333 from email address to reply. |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:06:55 GMT, Trevor Jones
wrote: snip I will admit that some of the smaller US breweries product has been pretty good, but the mass market swill is...swill. I can say about the same for our mass market stuff, too, if I want to be truthful about it, but I'll take our swill over yours! :-P Cheers Trevor Jones Free beer is the best. Never diss a free beer, at least not as long as the donor is within earshot :) -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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Is alcohol God's way of showing us he cares?
Leon Fisk wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:06:55 GMT, Trevor Jones wrote: snip I will admit that some of the smaller US breweries product has been pretty good, but the mass market swill is...swill. I can say about the same for our mass market stuff, too, if I want to be truthful about it, but I'll take our swill over yours! :-P Cheers Trevor Jones Free beer is the best. Never diss a free beer, at least not as long as the donor is within earshot :) |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:10:46 -0500, Louis Ohland
wrote: Leon Fisk wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:06:55 GMT, Trevor Jones wrote: snip I will admit that some of the smaller US breweries product has been pretty good, but the mass market swill is...swill. I can say about the same for our mass market stuff, too, if I want to be truthful about it, but I'll take our swill over yours! :-P Cheers Trevor Jones Free beer is the best. Never diss a free beer, at least not as long as the donor is within earshot :) Is alcohol God's way of showing us he cares? Don't know about God, but I know that beer and munchies (Flavored pretzels, see: http://www.amazon.com/Snyders-Hanove.../dp/B000G7VYSY this url) have kept me going for several years already :) -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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Makes me think of the one time I was at the bakery in Lititz, PA. Fresh
pretzels straight from their brick ovens with sweet honey mustard... As Homer would say "Mmm, pretzels!" munch, munch, munch... Leon Fisk wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:10:46 -0500, Louis Ohland wrote: Leon Fisk wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:06:55 GMT, Trevor Jones wrote: snip I will admit that some of the smaller US breweries product has been pretty good, but the mass market swill is...swill. I can say about the same for our mass market stuff, too, if I want to be truthful about it, but I'll take our swill over yours! :-P Cheers Trevor Jones Free beer is the best. Never diss a free beer, at least not as long as the donor is within earshot :) Is alcohol God's way of showing us he cares? Don't know about God, but I know that beer and munchies (Flavored pretzels, see: http://www.amazon.com/Snyders-Hanove.../dp/B000G7VYSY this url) have kept me going for several years already :) |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:29:06 -0500, Louis Ohland
wrote: Leon Fisk wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:10:46 -0500, Louis Ohland wrote: Leon Fisk wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:06:55 GMT, Trevor Jones wrote: snip I will admit that some of the smaller US breweries product has been pretty good, but the mass market swill is...swill. I can say about the same for our mass market stuff, too, if I want to be truthful about it, but I'll take our swill over yours! :-P Cheers Trevor Jones Free beer is the best. Never diss a free beer, at least not as long as the donor is within earshot :) Is alcohol God's way of showing us he cares? Don't know about God, but I know that beer and munchies (Flavored pretzels, see: http://www.amazon.com/Snyders-Hanove.../dp/B000G7VYSY this url) have kept me going for several years already :) Makes me think of the one time I was at the bakery in Lititz, PA. Fresh pretzels straight from their brick ovens with sweet honey mustard... As Homer would say "Mmm, pretzels!" munch, munch, munch... If you like snacks similar to these, that is a decent enough price (local store is $2.69 10oz bag). They have a few other flavors, the Honey Mustard Onion pieces are excellent too (NOT the nibblers, too dry, ack-phooey!). I'm going to be in deep doo-doo if they ever stop making these, staple food, washed down with a brewski, burp... -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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But Leon, to eat the dry pretzel is somewhat like american beer compared
to German beer (not the Heineken exported to the US). Like making love in a canoe, is it not? Once you go with a soft, hot pretzel, you can never go back... The problem I have is finding soft, hot pretzels and beer where I don't have to drive home. Otherwise, the Essenhaus in Madison, WI would be a good place to go. Leon Fisk wrote: Makes me think of the one time I was at the bakery in Lititz, PA. Fresh pretzels straight from their brick ovens with sweet honey mustard... As Homer would say "Mmm, pretzels!" munch, munch, munch... If you like snacks similar to these, that is a decent enough price (local store is $2.69 10oz bag). They have a few other flavors, the Honey Mustard Onion pieces are excellent too (NOT the nibblers, too dry, ack-phooey!). I'm going to be in deep doo-doo if they ever stop making these, staple food, washed down with a brewski, burp... |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:49:03 -0500, Louis Ohland
wrote: Leon Fisk wrote: Makes me think of the one time I was at the bakery in Lititz, PA. Fresh pretzels straight from their brick ovens with sweet honey mustard... As Homer would say "Mmm, pretzels!" munch, munch, munch... If you like snacks similar to these, that is a decent enough price (local store is $2.69 10oz bag). They have a few other flavors, the Honey Mustard Onion pieces are excellent too (NOT the nibblers, too dry, ack-phooey!). I'm going to be in deep doo-doo if they ever stop making these, staple food, washed down with a brewski, burp... But Leon, to eat the dry pretzel is somewhat like american beer compared to German beer (not the Heineken exported to the US). Like making love in a canoe, is it not? Once you go with a soft, hot pretzel, you can never go back... The problem I have is finding soft, hot pretzels and beer where I don't have to drive home. Otherwise, the Essenhaus in Madison, WI would be a good place to go. If you haven't tried these type of pretzels yet, there isn't anything else like them... Most of the good/bigger grocery stores carry them. I've been/toured Capital Brewery some years ago. They were located in Middleton I believe? They still around? Answered my own question, google found their website: http://www.capital-brewery.com/ourbeers/index.html Damn that Dark Doppelbock sounds good. I shouldn't have looked... I'm pretty sure I brought some of that home with me to enjoy, good stuff! There just isn't anything like fresh brew right from the source. Even the worst stuff they make beats any of the best mega-brews. I have to settle for mega-brew nowadays. I just don't have the budget to throw at the yummy stuff right now. Sigh... -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
Enco vs. KBC
Ale, man, ale's the stuff to drink
For fellows whom it hurts to think. A. E. Housman (1859-1936), British poet, classical scholar. A Shropshire Lad, no. 62 (1896). ================= On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:10:46 -0500, Louis Ohland wrote: Is alcohol God's way of showing us he cares? Leon Fisk wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:06:55 GMT, Trevor Jones wrote: snip I will admit that some of the smaller US breweries product has been pretty good, but the mass market swill is...swill. I can say about the same for our mass market stuff, too, if I want to be truthful about it, but I'll take our swill over yours! :-P Cheers Trevor Jones Free beer is the best. Never diss a free beer, at least not as long as the donor is within earshot :) Unka' George [George McDuffee] ============ Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), U.S. president. Letter, 17 March 1814. |
Enco vs. KBC
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:06:55 GMT, Trevor Jones
wrote: I will admit that some of the smaller US breweries product has been pretty good, but the mass market swill is...swill. I can say about the same for our mass market stuff, too, if I want to be truthful about it, but I'll take our swill over yours! :-P ========= FWIW -- I had a chance to talk to a real live German brewmeister for a few minutes while on a tour of the Bush Brewery in St Louis. I asked him if this was the best beer they could brew [Michelob]. He thought for a second, and then told me no, but its the best beer we can sell. Unka' George [George McDuffee] ============ Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), U.S. president. Letter, 17 March 1814. |
Enco vs. KBC
Louis Ohland wrote:
Is alcohol God's way of showing us he cares? Leon Fisk wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:06:55 GMT, Trevor Jones wrote: snip I will admit that some of the smaller US breweries product has been pretty good, but the mass market swill is...swill. I can say about the same for our mass market stuff, too, if I want to be truthful about it, but I'll take our swill over yours! :-P Cheers Trevor Jones Free beer is the best. Never diss a free beer, at least not as long as the donor is within earshot :) "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to prosper." A quote from a famous American, Ben Franklin. Cheers Trevor Jones |
Enco vs. KBC
On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:44:36 -0400, Leon Fisk
wrote: If you like snacks similar to these, that is a decent enough price (local store is $2.69 10oz bag). They have a few other flavors, the Honey Mustard Onion pieces are excellent too (NOT the nibblers, too dry, ack-phooey!). I'm going to be in deep doo-doo if they ever stop making these, staple food, washed down with a brewski, burp... Pickled eggs/sausages anyone? Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
Enco vs. KBC
On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:57:04 GMT, Trevor Jones
wrote: "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy A quote from a famous American, Ben Franklin. Cheers Trevor Jones Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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