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Bye Bye Oil, hello HHO gas
On 21 May 2006 13:13:14 -0700, "bobber" wrote:
They have specifically mentioned it is not Brown's gas, also a highly reputed physicist has written a peer reviewed paper stating his hyhotheses regarding the formation of something previously unknown called "magnecules" which allows for the observed behavior of this gas. The electrolytes used in the creation of HHO gas seem to be the key ingredients. Its is not another form of electrolysis else US congress would not invite them over and a major auto manufacturer would not take them seriously. There is also a Fox news item about it he http://www.wimp.com/fuelwater/ An un-named "highly reputed" physicist? What major auto manufacturer is taking them seriously? Most US congressmen would only know of electrolysis as a method of removing unwanted hair. The "water welders" of 40 years ago added methanol to the water to increase the heat content of the flame. Without the methanol they produced high spot temperatures but not enough heat to be useful on any but very small workpieces. Laurie Forbes wrote: "tadchem" wrote in message oups.com... Romanise wrote: bobber wrote: Bye Bye middle east medieval losers, corrupt crook oil dictators/blackmailers, hello cheap unlimited energy much more economical than available today. HHO gas though produced from electricity provides much better cost advantage over entire cycle than gasoline. And its nothing but WATER !!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://hytechapps.com/technology/index.html Has anybody worked out purchase+running cost of any currently available equipment such as 1500 Aquygen™ Gas Generator with similar purpose traditional equipment? As far as I can tell it simply electrolyzes water to produce hydrogen and oxygen in the proper proportions to fuel an oxygen-hydrogen torch suitable for cutting and welding. There are no claims I could find of net energy output. It *does* draw 17 amps at 220V (presumably transformed, rectified, and maybe filtered to a little over 1 VDC). The second paragraph on the page cited: " This unique gas is infinitely stable until it comes in contact with a select target media. Then it sublimates, causing a molecular surface exchange of certain elements, reacting with such excitation as to cause temperatures of up to 10,000° F, the temperature of our Sun's surface, which is currently the limits of our ability to measure." is (in my opinion as a physical chemist) frankly pure BS from Marketing. This is an old scam - sometimes referred to as "Brown's Gas". It is electrolysis of water, as the above notes, and always consumes more energy than is produced. Laurie Forbes |