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One of my hens startted eating eggs, and I finally caught one (and
marked her), now I would like to know the proper way to kill a chicken. Any ideas? Sorry for the OT post. i |
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![]() "Ignoramus7121" wrote in message .. . One of my hens startted eating eggs, and I finally caught one (and marked her), now I would like to know the proper way to kill a chicken. Any ideas? Sorry for the OT post. i Put it in a pen by itself, fatten it up good. When the bird has reached the proper weight, chop off the head with an axe, let the carcass flop around the yard for a few minutes, pluck off the feathers, and gut the bird. (at least that is how my mom did it years ago!) Baking or frying decisions I will leave up to you! Greg |
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You hold the hapless fowl to the block with your left hand, and whack
it's head off with a hatchet. Try to miss your hand. Then, let it go, and marvel at the chicken's autonomous nervous system in action. It will run around quite well for a few seconds (possibly looking for it's head). Not recommended for squeamish pansies. JR Dweller in the cellar Ignoramus7121 wrote: One of my hens startted eating eggs, and I finally caught one (and marked her), now I would like to know the proper way to kill a chicken. Any ideas? Sorry for the OT post. i -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive The world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around me No skeletons in the closet; just decomposing corpses -------------------------------------------------------------- Dependence is Vulnerability: -------------------------------------------------------------- "Open the Pod Bay Doors please, Hal" "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.." |
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JR North wrote:
You hold the hapless fowl to the block with your left hand, and whack it's head off with a hatchet. Try to miss your hand. Then, let it go, and marvel at the chicken's autonomous nervous system in action. It will run around quite well for a few seconds (possibly looking for it's head). Not recommended for squeamish pansies. This is the preferred method, but it doesn't always work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_headless_chicken |
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On Sun, 14 May 2006 09:21:11 -0700, JR North
wrote: You hold the hapless fowl to the block with your left hand, and whack it's head off with a hatchet. Try to miss your hand. Then, let it go, and marvel at the chicken's autonomous nervous system in action. It will run around quite well for a few seconds (possibly looking for it's head). Not recommended for squeamish pansies. JR Dweller in the cellar Mom had a stump with a length of bailin' wire attached to it. Th' other end would be twisted a few wraps around th' impending chicken supper's foot. After she whacked it's head off it wouldn't get very far away. Snarl |
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On Sun, 14 May 2006 09:21:11 -0700, JR North
wrote: ,;You hold the hapless fowl to the block with your left hand, and whack ,;it's head off with a hatchet. Try to miss your hand. Then, let it go, ,;and marvel at the chicken's autonomous nervous system in action. It will ,;run around quite well for a few seconds (possibly looking for it's ,;head). Not recommended for squeamish pansies. Reminded me of my brother putting up chickens in the freezer. Picture this. He lived next door to a fast food joint with a lot of picnic tables for lunching in the outdoors. Around lunch time he had over a dozen chickens and started chopping off heads and releasing them. The headless chickens raced around the yard, blood spurting, and tumbling randomly. White chickens were half red when they quit running. None got off the property but when he finished he noticed that the picnic tables were empty. Actually two nails driven half way into the chopping block that are far enough apart for the neck and too small for the head to fit through works pretty well. You can stretch the neck out so you get the most meat and keep the fingers out of range. Chop on the nail side opposite of the head. This reminded me of another incident. My mother complained to my dad that he was leaving too much neck with the head. The next batch came in with eyeballs but without the beak. There were no more complaints. |
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Back when we raised all kinds of fowl, I used to walk around the
flocks (rhode islands and New hamps at that time) which I left free range on the pasture, and with a hardwood cane (normally used to poke and prode cattle with) I would whack the undesireable roosters with the cane to cull the flock. Normally a good whack was all that was needed to put a rooster down.......I also had this big old Tom turkey that used to follow me wherever I went. Each time I would knock a rooster down, this tom turkey woul dget on the rooster, and start treading it.......(if y do not know what treading is look it up ;-), and then do a little dance and find the next rooster I knocked down and do it again., Talk about a perverted turkey...... I like the cone method myself......no big mess, confines all the mess to one small area, fast and efficient. Ever see a fully grown Rhode Island Red rooster spur and do a dance on a youngins head......We had one RIR who was a real johnny badass, at least it thought so, ONe day my 3 year old went out and that rooster jumped h8im, and got on his head and started to spur and rip on him.. The rooster seen me coming and realized he screwed up and beet feet and jumped down...I spent a few hours hunting that critter down until I finally managed to nail him good with the 22 cal rifle. I bet I pumped 8 shots into that rooster and he still kept on evading me, trying to hide in amongst the others in the flock. ============================================== Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked! "The original frugal ponder.."Since my statements are given freely, take em or leave em, I am entitled to my opinion none the less. My opinion and $1 is still only worth $1.....but I am entitled to "MY" opinion... ~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o |
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We did in a bantam chicken once that (after its head was off) took off
and flew around in circles about 6 feet off the ground. Just for a bit... Steve JR North wrote: You hold the hapless fowl to the block with your left hand, and whack it's head off with a hatchet. Try to miss your hand. Then, let it go, and marvel at the chicken's autonomous nervous system in action. It will run around quite well for a few seconds (possibly looking for it's head). Not recommended for squeamish pansies. JR Dweller in the cellar Ignoramus7121 wrote: One of my hens startted eating eggs, and I finally caught one (and marked her), now I would like to know the proper way to kill a chicken. Any ideas? Sorry for the OT post. i |
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![]() "JR North" wrote in message ... You hold the hapless fowl to the block with your left hand, and whack it's head off with a hatchet. Try to miss your hand. Then, let it go, and marvel at the chicken's autonomous nervous system in action. It will run around quite well for a few seconds (possibly looking for it's head). Not recommended for squeamish pansies. JR Dweller in the cellar And, wear old clothes. It can be a bit messy. ![]() |
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Ignoramus7121 wrote: One of my hens startted eating eggs, and I finally caught one (and marked her), now I would like to know the proper way to kill a chicken. Any ideas? Sorry for the OT post. i There are several... Method #1 Capture chicken in whatever way suits your fancy. Pass neck of chicken between left arm and left ribs (yours, not the chicken's), with head forward, in sort of a "headlock" type position. Grasp head of chicken firmly with right hand, brace left arm to prevent passage of entire chicken, and pull hard and quick with right hand to break the neck. A twist is often applied, but is generally considered optional. (reverse sides if you're a southpaw) Warning: Best done outside, since, until you've done the deed a few times, it's easy to apply too much force and decapitate the chicken in the process, causing a bloody mess. Experienced operators can and do break the neck bloodlessly, but first timers can find themselves wondering what went wrong. Alternate method: Capture chicken. Grasp head of chicken *VERY* firmly in right hand, make an authoritative "whip-crack" motion with right hand. Again, an outside job, since "excess authority" can result in decapitated chicken and bloody mess. Alternate method #2: Retrieve kindling hatchet, meat cleaver, machete, or similar chopping tool, capture chicken, place chicken's neck across block of wood, apply chopping tool with sufficient force to separate head from chicken. Warning: This should take place outside, in a fairly unused area, since there will likely be copious bleeding. Alternative method #3: Load shotgun - 12 or 20 gauge - with #7 - #8 birdshot. capture and restrain chicken in a human-safe manner, against a shotgun-safe backstop. Target chicken's head from close range, disengage shotgun safety, pull trigger. Hearing protection optional but recommended, and definitely do this outside. -- Don Bruder - - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd for more info |
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On Sun, 14 May 2006 09:22:16 -0700, Don Bruder
wrote: In article , Ignoramus7121 wrote: One of my hens startted eating eggs, and I finally caught one (and marked her), now I would like to know the proper way to kill a chicken. Any ideas? Sorry for the OT post. i There are several... Method #1 Capture chicken in whatever way suits your fancy. Pass neck of chicken between left arm and left ribs (yours, not the chicken's), with head forward, in sort of a "headlock" type position. Grasp head of chicken firmly with right hand, brace left arm to prevent passage of entire chicken, and pull hard and quick with right hand to break the neck. A twist is often applied, but is generally considered optional. (reverse sides if you're a southpaw) Warning: Best done outside, since, until you've done the deed a few times, it's easy to apply too much force and decapitate the chicken in the process, causing a bloody mess. Experienced operators can and do break the neck bloodlessly, but first timers can find themselves wondering what went wrong. Alternate method: Capture chicken. Grasp head of chicken *VERY* firmly in right hand, make an authoritative "whip-crack" motion with right hand. Again, an outside job, since "excess authority" can result in decapitated chicken and bloody mess. Alternate method #2: Retrieve kindling hatchet, meat cleaver, machete, or similar chopping tool, capture chicken, place chicken's neck across block of wood, apply chopping tool with sufficient force to separate head from chicken. Warning: This should take place outside, in a fairly unused area, since there will likely be copious bleeding. Alternative method #3: Load shotgun - 12 or 20 gauge - with #7 - #8 birdshot. capture and restrain chicken in a human-safe manner, against a shotgun-safe backstop. Target chicken's head from close range, disengage shotgun safety, pull trigger. Hearing protection optional but recommended, and definitely do this outside. Method #4 "Cletus Method" http://www.whangdoodle.us/interviews/geek.htm Its actually fairly easy to do, and can make you some serious money in bar bets. Gunner The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong. In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years .. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power. Theodore Dalrymple, |
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- I wonder if this was the guy... ? - I once upon a time was Navy Seabees and we were on winter maneuvers with the 10th Mountaineering Division in February to Camp Drum, Watertown, NY. - Night time one night, in our snow holes they give us live chickens to kill, dress out and eat. Sure enough, some joker, chomps on his chicken's neck to gross us out. - Forgot about that. You did your Bob Hope duty! - Thanks for the memories, - Kurt ==================== OT proper way to kill a chicken Group: rec.crafts.metalworking Date: Sun, May 14, 2006, 6:32pm (EDT+4) From: (Gunner) On Sun, 14 May 2006 09:22:16 -0700, Don Bruder wrote: - ---------------(snipped)--------- - Method #4 "Cletus Method" http://www.whangdoodle.us/interviews/geek.htm - Its actually fairly easy to do, and can make you some serious money in bar bets. - Gunner |
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On Mon, 15 May 2006 10:06:11 -0400, Metal Man wrote:
LOL! - I wonder if this was the guy... ? - I once upon a time was Navy Seabees and we were on winter maneuvers with the 10th Mountaineering Division in February to Camp Drum, Watertown, NY. - Night time one night, in our snow holes they give us live chickens to kill, dress out and eat. Sure enough, some joker, chomps on his chicken's neck to gross us out. Um, did they want you to eat uncooked chicken? I suppose that plucking chicken without scalding them first, is not as easy. i |
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As I recall, egg eating is a symptom of lack of calcium in the diet.
Are your hens gettng sufficient calcium in the form of oyster shell, etc? Paul |
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![]() "Ignoramus7121" wrote in message .. . One of my hens startted eating eggs, and I finally caught one (and marked her), now I would like to know the proper way to kill a chicken. Any ideas? Sorry for the OT post. .. Press chicken down against the ground, while holding in that position, gently touch top of chicken head and slide your right index finger slowly down over beak and forward about six inches. Repeat this hypnotic motion until the chicken is completely still. Then take an axe and chop off it's head. This method is slower than others suggested here, but less messy since the blood from a chicken with it's head cut off is vast. Do this outside. In the barnyard. But then... if you had a barnyard... you would already know this. So do it in the kid's sand box! |
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My grandmother's method was to reach down grab the chicken by the head
and flip it in a tight circle. Takes about 2 seconds but then she had a lifetime of practice. Cheers, Kelley On Sun, 14 May 2006 15:18:04 GMT, Ignoramus7121 wrote: One of my hens startted eating eggs, and I finally caught one (and marked her), now I would like to know the proper way to kill a chicken. Any ideas? Sorry for the OT post. i -- |
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![]() Ignoramus7121 wrote: One of my hens startted eating eggs, and I finally caught one (and marked her), now I would like to know the proper way to kill a chicken. Any ideas? Sorry for the OT post. i My grandmother had this down to a science. Wait 'till feeding time, check hatchet to be sure it's sharp. Throw out feed for the chickens, while they are eating, grab selected chicken form behind, by the legs. Hold said chicken upside down while walking to hatchet location. Chickens pass-out when they are upside down. Kick drain bucket into position, position now out-cold chicken on chopping block, still holding feet in the air. One slight stroke of the hatchet, not enough to stick in the chopping block, head goes into bucket, move chicken over bucket a let it drain. Process takes about .1 sec. Hatchet stays clean, chopping block stays clean, bucket contents go into the compost pile. -- Gary A. Gorgen | "From ideas to PRODUCTS" | Tunxis Design Inc. | Cupertino, Ca. 95014 |
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Ignoramus7121 wrote:
One of my hens startted eating eggs, and I finally caught one (and marked her), now I would like to know the proper way to kill a chicken. Any ideas? Sorry for the OT post. i Depends on your situation and how much gore you wish to endure. Headless chicken races featured large in our baryard at times. A killing tool that look a lot like a pair of pruning shears with a spoon in place of the anvil was used when efficiency was required. The blade was placed in the mouth of the bird, with the spoon on the top of the head. A quick hard squeeze and it was all over, the chicken or turkey going limp. The method that was given in Harrowsmith magazine before they went yuppie scum was to hold the chicken across your chest, sort of, with the head between the index and middle fingers of your srong hand, arm outsterched, while holding the legs with the other hand. A quick stretch and the neck breaks. Effective and under complete control. Also hard to remove the head and make a mess. The last few I despatched I hung upside down on the fence, held the head and cut the throat and neck. They thrashed a little bit, but the blood was contained in an appropriate area, and I did not have to chase after the carcass. Cannabalism usually has it's cause in either a lack of nutrients or a lack of space, but sometimes it's just what one chicken does. Cheers Trevor Jones |
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Trevor Jones wrote:
Ignoramus7121 wrote: One of my hens startted eating eggs, and I finally caught one (and marked her), now I would like to know the proper way to kill a chicken. Any ideas? Sorry for the OT post. i Depends on your situation and how much gore you wish to endure. The last few I despatched I hung upside down on the fence, held the head and cut the throat and neck. They thrashed a little bit, but the blood was contained in an appropriate area, and I did not have to chase after the carcass. Cannabalism usually has it's cause in either a lack of nutrients or a lack of space, but sometimes it's just what one chicken does. The only thing I'd add is to swing it briskly by the legs in a big vertical arc a bit to daze it first. You won't have problems handling it then. -- John R. Carroll Machining Solution Software, Inc. Los Angeles San Francisco www.machiningsolution.com |
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Come on now metalworkers.. I expected something more creative, like a
chicken-sized guillotine.. -- Email reply: please remove one letter from each side of "@" Spammers are Scammers. Exterminate them. |
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Doug Warner wrote:
Come on now metalworkers.. I expected something more creative, like a chicken-sized guillotine.. I thought Iggy might rig up a mini electric chair connected to his TIG welder...G Chris |
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On Sun, 14 May 2006 20:06:36 +0000, Christopher Tidy wrote:
Doug Warner wrote: Come on now metalworkers.. I expected something more creative, like a chicken-sized guillotine.. I thought Iggy might rig up a mini electric chair connected to his TIG welder...G I did think for a moment, about using my 1 uF 22 kV capacitors, of which I have three left. The chicken would not only get killed, but also fried at the same time. i |
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![]() "Doug Warner" wrote in message ... Come on now metalworkers.. I expected something more creative, like a chicken-sized guillotine.. Ok, I just have to chime in here! Back in the 1970s, I was a fast food manager, and yes, we sold hamburgers an chicken. We needed a new slide show to train the kids who cooked the stuff. Your truly was delegated to photograph the process from live chicken to packed frozen meat. So here is how they did it at a local packing house: There was an endless cable with W shaped holders that ran from the loading area to the de-feathering machine. Several men removed the live chickens from cages on a truck, and hung them by their feet in the Ws. When about 20 chickens were loaded, the cable started moving. Their heads were dragged over a shocking device that stunned the birds, and then passed over a concrete pad, where a man sitting on a chair, cut their throats. After that a hole saw in a hand drill was used to cut a circle around each birds anus, and the guts were suctioned out. On to a wheel knife the cut the feet off over the de-feathering machine, which then spat them out into a vat of cold water. two people then fed them into a machine that band sawed them into 7 pieces, and ejected them into plastic bags for freezing. Steve R. |
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On Sun, 14 May 2006 23:05:50 -0700, Steve R. wrote:
So here is how they did it at a local packing house: There was an endless cable with W shaped holders that ran from the loading area to the de-feathering machine. Several men removed the live chickens from cages on a truck, and hung them by their feet in the Ws. When about 20 chickens were loaded, the cable started moving. Their heads were dragged over a shocking device that stunned the birds, and then passed over a concrete pad, where a man sitting on a chair, cut their throats. After that a hole saw in a hand drill was used to cut a circle around each birds anus, and the guts were suctioned out. On to a wheel knife the cut the feet off over the de-feathering machine, which then spat them out into a vat of cold water. two people then fed them into a machine that band sawed them into 7 pieces, and ejected them into plastic bags for freezing. Steve, do you know how that de-feathering machine worked? i |
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Well, my Dad grew up on a big farm in Indiana during the Depression...
My Mom, too, on another farm. - Take your chicken to chopping block with a sharp axe. I thought it very bad manners but that chicken just ran around until it bled itself out. To get the rest of the blood out, hang upside down on a tree on a nail. I think I was 13 maybe. Then Mom's job was to de-feather it. Get a big pot of boiling water outside on the ground and dip your bird in, neck 1st all the way submeged. Wait a little while. Take out, and over lots of old newspaper, most of the big feathers will come right out. The little pin feathers is a chore getting them all. Then Mom degutted them right in the kitchen sink. Not much really holds its or for that matter---our guts in. Everything slips right out the anus end. Then butcher it. - We raised about 100 Rhode Island Reds when I was kid in a dirty, old, stinking hen house. And one red Banny rooster ruled the nest! I ate lots of egg salad and the occasional chicken salad sandwiches when I was a kid for school lunch. And sold our brown eggs door to door all over our neighborhood and always cheaper than store bought. That 1st fresh killed chicken was the hardest for me to eat; after that, not so bad. Ever see triple egg yolk eggs? - Ever see how all the chickens will single out just one and peck it to death? I guess that is where the term, "pecking order" came from. Washington politicians do it to themselves every so often, too! - Want to know how to skin white domestic rabbits? Ditto eating my 1st rabbit. - Myself? I know how, like if my Navy ship sank and I had to survive. But, like rabbits, I prefer to have them as a pet. If I had a farm I'd starve because all those critters would be pets. -+- Kurt =================== OT proper way to kill a chicken Group: rec.crafts.metalworking Date: Sun, May 14, 2006, 3:18pm (EDT+4) From: lid (Ignoramus7121) One of my hens startted eating eggs, and I finally caught one (and marked her), now I would like to know the proper way to kill a chicken. Any ideas? Sorry for the OT post. i |
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On Sun, 14 May 2006 14:43:05 -0400, Metal Man wrote:
Well, my Dad grew up on a big farm in Indiana during the Depression... My Mom, too, on another farm. - Take your chicken to chopping block with a sharp axe. I thought it very bad manners but that chicken just ran around until it bled itself out. To get the rest of the blood out, hang upside down on a tree on a nail. I think I was 13 maybe. Then Mom's job was to de-feather it. Get a big pot of boiling water outside on the ground and dip your bird in, neck 1st all the way submeged. Wait a little while. Take out, and over lots of old newspaper, most of the big feathers will come right out. The little pin feathers is a chore getting them all. Then Mom degutted them right in the kitchen sink. Not much really holds its or for that matter---our guts in. Everything slips right out the anus end. Then butcher it. Sounds good, I have a log piece that I could use for a chopping block. We raised about 100 Rhode Island Reds when I was kid in a dirty, old, Thats what we have. Five Rhode Island Reds and one New Hampshire red, the latter is going to die tonight. This one is three years old and always had some antisocial behaviors. stinking hen house. And one red Banny rooster ruled the nest! I ate lots of egg salad and the occasional chicken salad sandwiches when I was a kid for school lunch. And sold our brown eggs door to door all over our neighborhood and always cheaper than store bought. That 1st fresh killed chicken was the hardest for me to eat; after that, not so bad. Ever see triple egg yolk eggs? Saw some doubles, from young chickens. Ever see how all the chickens will single out just one and peck it to death? I guess that is where the term, "pecking order" came from. Washington politicians do it to themselves every so often, too! I read about it, never saw it. Want to know how to skin white domestic rabbits? Ditto eating my 1st rabbit. - Myself? I know how, like if my Navy ship sank and I had to survive. But, like rabbits, I prefer to have them as a pet. If I had a farm I'd starve because all those critters would be pets. yes, we keep them for eggs too, i Kurt =================== OT proper way to kill a chicken Group: rec.crafts.metalworking Date: Sun, May 14, 2006, 3:18pm (EDT+4) From: lid (Ignoramus7121) One of my hens startted eating eggs, and I finally caught one (and marked her), now I would like to know the proper way to kill a chicken. Any ideas? Sorry for the OT post. i |
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: One of my hens startted eating eggs, and I finally caught one (and marked her), now I would like to know the proper way to kill a chicken. Any ideas? Sorry for the OT post. i We always just used a block of wood on end....and an axe. Some neighbors just wrung the necks. They will run around for a while after you chop the head off or even wring the neck. -- Anthony You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make better idiots. Remove sp to reply via email |
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One of my hens startted eating eggs, and I finally caught one (and
marked her), now I would like to know the proper way to kill a chicken. Any ideas? One way I've heard that's not been mentioned yet (the wrist flick being the best, quickest way if you just want to get rid of it): Hang the chicken by its feet over a bucket. Using a straight razor or similarly sharp implement, slit the entire beak lengthwise and let it drain into the bucket... |
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Here's another 2 methods that haven't been mentioned before.
Both avoid the blood spurting dance which often leads to bruised meat in addition to the bloodbath. 1. Hang the chicken by it's feet, head down. Using a small pocket knife reach into the throat and slit the jugular. The chicken will bleed out with no fuss, no muss. I never managed to do this so I can't give any explicit instructions but I've seen it done hundreds of times. 2. This one I mastered. Hold the chickens head upside down on a support surface. Open it's mouth and insert a large flat bladed screwdriver into the cleft in the roof of the mouth. Push it into the brain and twist. Instant death with no thrashing. Art "Ignoramus7121" wrote in message .. . One of my hens startted eating eggs, and I finally caught one (and marked her), now I would like to know the proper way to kill a chicken. Any ideas? Sorry for the OT post. i |
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