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"The man was lost and then he was found and now he's more lost than ever -- and he's taking us into the darkness with him." "And then you read the paper and realize the country is led by a man who isn't paying attention, and you hope that somebody will poke him. Or put a sign on his desk that says, "Try Much Harder."" "The man was lost and then he was found and now he's more lost than ever, plus being blind." "From within the Pentagon bureaucracy, he did battle against Donald Rumsfeld and John Yoo at the Justice Department and shadowy figures taking orders from Dick (Gunner) Cheney, arguing America had ratified the Geneva Convention that forbids cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment of prisoners, and so it has the force of law. They seemed to be arguing that the president has the right to order prisoners to be tortured." "Wiretap surveillance of Americans without a warrant? Great. Go for it." "Wiretap surveillance of Americans without a warrant? Great. Go for it." "According to the leaders of the bipartisan 9/11 Commission, our country is practically as vulnerable today as it was on 9/10. Our seaports are wide open, our airspace is not secure except for the nation's capital, and little has been done about securing the nuclear bomb materials lying around in the world." "The U.S. Constitution provides a simple ultimate way to hold him to account for war crimes and the failure to attend to the country's defense." http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature...03/01/keillor/ By Garrison Keillor HTH -- Cliff |
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Bush perpetuates irrational fears ....
By Josh Macdonald DAILY BRUIN COLUMNIST [ Much can be said about the incompetence of the current U.S. government, but it's hard to argue that they don't seem to have the well-being and security of the American people in mind. During the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, President Bush made it clear that his thoughts on the disaster, however limited, were focused on those in the most need. In a quote from The Washington Post, President Bush took the time during a press conference to reference the immense loss: "Out of the rubbles of (Sen.) Trent Lott's house – he lost his entire house – there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch." If there's one thing the Bush administration really understands, it's that government is all about providing security – or in Bush's case, the illusion of security. I'm talking about the good old-fashioned neighborhood watch variety, where everybody benefits but the criminals. Where loaded rifles and shotguns hang on the walls in every house. Where an itchy feeling in the air is enough to lure an armed posse out into the streets. Step one: Find a legitimate threat to public well-being. Then, turn it into an irrational fear you can manipulate the public with at any time. How would we know how scared to be if it wasn't for the Homeland Security color chart? ] More good stuff ... -- Cliff |
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From a power perspective (the only way to correctly view any
bureacracy) the gov't has nothing to lose and everything to gain from further attacks. D |
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Is this what they call "junk food"?
RM "Cliff" wrote in message ... "The man was lost and then he was found and now he's more lost than ever -- and he's taking us into the darkness with him." "And then you read the paper and realize the country is led by a man who isn't paying attention, and you hope that somebody will poke him. Or put a sign on his desk that says, "Try Much Harder."" "The man was lost and then he was found and now he's more lost than ever, plus being blind." "From within the Pentagon bureaucracy, he did battle against Donald Rumsfeld and John Yoo at the Justice Department and shadowy figures taking orders from Dick (Gunner) Cheney, arguing America had ratified the Geneva Convention that forbids cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment of prisoners, and so it has the force of law. They seemed to be arguing that the president has the right to order prisoners to be tortured." "Wiretap surveillance of Americans without a warrant? Great. Go for it." "Wiretap surveillance of Americans without a warrant? Great. Go for it." "According to the leaders of the bipartisan 9/11 Commission, our country is practically as vulnerable today as it was on 9/10. Our seaports are wide open, our airspace is not secure except for the nation's capital, and little has been done about securing the nuclear bomb materials lying around in the world." "The U.S. Constitution provides a simple ultimate way to hold him to account for war crimes and the failure to attend to the country's defense." http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature...03/01/keillor/ By Garrison Keillor HTH -- Cliff |
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On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:29:25 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:12:52 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Nick Hull quickly quoth: In article .com, wrote: From a power perspective (the only way to correctly view any bureacracy) the gov't has nothing to lose and everything to gain from further attacks. When I think of 9/11 I ask; who profited? The Shrub. Shrub's cronies in gov't and oil. The DHS budget. and bin Laden due to our assinine overreaction to it all. Whadda buncha maroons... Even you couldnt be that insane. Gunner -------------------------------------------------------------------- The more we gripe, * http://www.diversify.com/stees.html the longer God makes us live. * Graphic Design - Humorous T-shirts "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:05:00 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
quickly quoth: On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:29:25 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote: On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:12:52 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Nick Hull quickly quoth: In article .com, wrote: From a power perspective (the only way to correctly view any bureacracy) the gov't has nothing to lose and everything to gain from further attacks. When I think of 9/11 I ask; who profited? The Shrub. Shrub's cronies in gov't and oil. The DHS budget. and bin Laden due to our assinine overreaction to it all. Whadda buncha maroons... Even you couldnt be that insane. Even you couldn't be that closed-minded and blinded by this administration, Gunner. Everything I stated there I firmly believe. It's a power play and everyone in the USA loses except its top players, the money people (though that's probably shortsighted.) As a survivalist, how can you NOT see it?!? -------------------------------------------------------------------- The more we gripe, * http://www.diversify.com/stees.html the longer God makes us live. * Graphic Design - Humorous T-shirts |
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On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 15:46:27 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote: The DHS budget. and bin Laden due to our assinine overreaction to it all. Whadda buncha maroons... Even you couldnt be that insane. Even you couldn't be that closed-minded and blinded by this administration, Gunner. Everything I stated there I firmly believe. It's a power play and everyone in the USA loses except its top players, the money people (though that's probably shortsighted.) As a survivalist, how can you NOT see it?!? As a practicing survivalist..Im quite used to reviewing all available information and forming an opinon on the validity of any subject or claim. As far as I can see, based on all available information, reviewed in a clear, rational and logical fashion, it would appear you are full of **** on this topic. Survivalism requires us to also determine if something is bogus or snake oil. See above. Shrug Got black helicopters buzzing your house? Gunner "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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On 4 Mar 2006 19:01:18 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Larry Jaques says... As a survivalist, how can you NOT see it?!? He's got gunneritis. An advanced form of myopia. g Jim still dropping that left wing and running in circles like a wounded robin? Or is the leftwing just overpowering you? Like a twin Beech with an engine out. Gunner "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 06:37:04 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote: As a practicing survivalist..Im quite used to reviewing all available information and forming an opinon on the validity of any subject or claim. As far as I can see, based on all available information, reviewed in a clear, rational and logical fashion, it would appear you are full of **** on this topic. Survivalism requires us to also determine if something is bogus or snake oil. See above. Shrug sigh Perhaps Lefty Jim is right (double entendre intentional) about your Gunneritis. ;) I'd prefer to have my country back, TYVM, because it looks as if the corporate/money-led country portrayed in Max Headroom and RoboCop vids is coming to life here in the USA. Would that be the the Socialist Nanny State the Left has been promoting for 50 yrs, you wish to return to? I guess we'll have to agree to totally disagree on this issue. Indeed. Hummm and here I get accused of being a bunker dwelling survivalist sky is falling type..and when I am laid back about something..I get flack for that too. Shrug G Got black helicopters buzzing your house? AAMOF, I did, in Vista. I'll email the pic to you. g (It turned out to be just a San Diego Sheriff's Dept. ASTREA copter, but I simply -had- to take that photo.) BTW, I picked up a 3-year subscription to Guns & Ammo for $10 on eBay. ($0.99 + $9 s/h.) 2 other mags are coming for that rate, too. Sucha deal! Way cool. I guess I need to start looking on Ebay for such deals. Im not currently taking any magazines other than the Rifleman. I used to get Handloader religiously...shrug. Gunner "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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In article , Larry Jaques says...
sigh Perhaps Lefty Jim is right (double entendre intentional) about your Gunneritis. ;) I'd prefer to have my country back, ... Crooked politicans taking bribes? No, that's the fault of Bill Clinton's adminstration. Huge balance of trade deficits? Bill Clinton. Huge deficit spending? Bill Clinton again I guess. Maybe it was Ted Kennedy at Chappaquidick. We lost the Vietnam war? Jane Fonda's fault. We should have won. That was a good war. Things are just fine in Iraq. We're winning. There's peace there now that we invaded. We're going to lose that war at home, too, because of anti-war protesters. We need more justices like Sam Alito so we can simply overturn Roe v Wade, once and for all. Then we move on to Griswold v CT. There's no right to privacy in the constitution. No WMDs? That was Valerie Plame's fault. They were there. We never said that anyway. We told the truth about why we invaded iraq. We had bad inteligence. It was the CIAs fault. Somebody tattled about the NSA spying program? That was a democrat probably, we need to hang whoever did it. The government should be able to spy on anyone at any time. We need this to fight terrorists. We need to torture people to fight terrorism. Enron? Abramoff? Cunningham? Cheney's shotgun? Those were all Hillary Clinton's fault. The democrats do it too. The democrats have done worse. The democrats are bigger crooks. Rich folks pay too much taxes. It's good to have our jobs sent to India. We should be proud to send them. We need to have the US taxpayers bail out corporations so they can keep on contributing to political campaigns. Nobody should get pensions anymore. Corporations can't afford them. Shareholder value is more important than employing workers. We should force folks to put their social security money in the stock market. George Bush had no *idea* the levees were going to break. Nobody told him. We need our goverment to promote religion more. Evolution is a religion. We should teach kids religion in public schools. Nobody should be able to go bankrupt except corporations. Corporations have a first amendment right to free speech. Nobody really needs to understand the bill of rights, they can just watch 'The Simpsons' instead. It's damn tough to be to the _right_ of that collection of claptrap. Whoo boy, no wonder I was lefty jim. Who wants to step up to the plate, who wants to be the next person to be the resident flaming liberal? Or does everyone on rcm pretty much feel like all that stuff above is, well, pretty much all right, and the truth? The technical aspect of rcm is great, don't get me wrong. It's the rest of the flavor that's quite disagreeable, and getting more and more pervasive. My regards to all that I've shared pleasant conversation with. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:53:19 GMT, Gunner wrote:
snip Indeed. Hummm and here I get accused of being a bunker dwelling survivalist sky is falling type..and when I am laid back about something..I get flack for that too. Shrug G Nah, Bunkers got concrete floors, not dirt floors BG Mark Rand RTFM |
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On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:59:04 +0000, Mark Rand
wrote: On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 18:53:19 GMT, Gunner wrote: snip Indeed. Hummm and here I get accused of being a bunker dwelling survivalist sky is falling type..and when I am laid back about something..I get flack for that too. Shrug G Nah, Bunkers got concrete floors, not dirt floors BG Mark Rand RTFM Mine is a California Bunker. Concrete floors break during earthquakes (Im only 5 miles from the San Andreas Fault). After the Big One..all I need to do is simply rake mine flat again G Gunner "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 03:32:35 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
quickly quoth: Mine is a California Bunker. Concrete floors break during earthquakes (Im only 5 miles from the San Andreas Fault). After the Big One..all I need to do is simply rake mine flat again G After the Big One (according to Murphy) you'll have Eastern beachfront property. Hey, email to your myway acct bounced the other day. Did you get my pics of the black helo or not? -------------------------------------------------------------------- The more we gripe, * http://www.diversify.com/stees.html the longer God makes us live. * Graphic Design - Humorous T-shirts |
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On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 05:34:09 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 03:32:35 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner quickly quoth: Mine is a California Bunker. Concrete floors break during earthquakes (Im only 5 miles from the San Andreas Fault). After the Big One..all I need to do is simply rake mine flat again G After the Big One (according to Murphy) you'll have Eastern beachfront property. Hey, email to your myway acct bounced the other day. Did you get my pics of the black helo or not? sure didnt. Earthlink was flakey over the weekend. Tech support said they were having mail server issues in California. They charge way too much..so I hold their feet to the fire. Gunner -------------------------------------------------------------------- The more we gripe, * http://www.diversify.com/stees.html the longer God makes us live. * Graphic Design - Humorous T-shirts "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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When living on the "Left" coast, I lived on the Pacific plate and
worked on the North American plate. The Pacific plate - western side - is flowing Northward and enters the ocean north of San Francisco. There is a mountain (hills) range that is coastal - and has a unique outcropping of rocks. It is called the Pinnacles National Monument. The san Andres fault runs through them - there is a station there logging hits - but the other half of the mountain is almost 400 miles south! It was split in two and one side floated north through the years. Mapquest or other - look for Soledad - just East from there. Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH & Endowment Member NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 03:32:35 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner quickly quoth: Mine is a California Bunker. Concrete floors break during earthquakes (Im only 5 miles from the San Andreas Fault). After the Big One..all I need to do is simply rake mine flat again G After the Big One (according to Murphy) you'll have Eastern beachfront property. Hey, email to your myway acct bounced the other day. Did you get my pics of the black helo or not? -------------------------------------------------------------------- The more we gripe, * http://www.diversify.com/stees.html the longer God makes us live. * Graphic Design - Humorous T-shirts ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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