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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 03:42:49 GMT, Gunner
brought forth from the murky depths: The Vietnam was was not only a watershed in American history..but its universal unpopularity in the late 60s caused a lot of young men who were indeed patriotic to review exactly what was being asked of them..and found it to be wanting. A****ingMen. I'm glad that circumstances didn't force me into finally making a choice because I love this country. Since coming of age, I've too often had a problem with the judgement of (or lack thereof) the powers that be. They have to stop creating and promoting terrorists before our country is safer in this world. -- REMEMBER: First you pillage, then you burn. --- http://diversify.com Full Service Website Development |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 19:51:01 GMT, "Mark Jerde" wrote:
It takes time to develop relationships, learn how to get things done, etc. For my money, and it *is* my money, I'd much prefer politicians who can't get things done, who haven't developed special relationships, and who haven't figured out how to spend so damn much of my money. Gary |
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(Dan Caster) wrote in message m...
(Cliff Huprich) wrote in message Well, if you had had his parents and "pull" ... you too might have gone to Yale & Harvard (private tutors?) .... My first choice was MIT, http://www.sos.mtu.edu/ccglba/index.php ? but my parents wanted me to go somewhere else, and I did. Quite a few radio preachers hold doctorates from Freedom University in Florida. So does that Noah's Ark "creation science" guy that got sued in Australia for fraud IIRC. http://www.google.com/search?num=50&...rk+aus tralia -- Cliff |
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My dad, a decorated WWII Marine vet, tried to get me in through his
connections. No go. The list was impossible unless you were the son of a Congressman, a Senator, or a foreign ambassador. George W. Bush undoubtedly made the grade in that regard. Ed Huntress Not only that, but it was hard to get into a (active) branch other than Army or Marines then too. My uncle was an Air Farce General & Dad was a Naval officer. Still wound up in the Army :o). Greg Sefton |
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In article , Gunner says...
GW strapped on a supersonic aircraft which could have killed him in an instant. Too bad he never learned to fly those when he was in his former training. This was a great photo op, but to suggest that he was anything other than along for the ride is to disparage the real pilot who flew him. That man had the guts to actually take advantage of the training given him by the air force, and not just hide away until the smoke cleared in Vietnam. You could strap GWB onto a space shuttle, that don't make him an astronaut. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article , Gunner says...
Now would you tell me when Ill be allowed to purchase a H&K G91 in California? As soon as the mormons are allowed to have ten wives by law. Or, as another gent said, as soon as he can marry his own son. Reasonable Time Place and Manner Restrictions. ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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If bill clinton, then 'yes.'
If GWB, then "no." If Kerry, then "this is a stupid issue." Jim Well Bill was a D dodger and trashed his country in protests over seas, so I'd definitely put him in the DD dept. Kerry was in but came jome and trashed his country and his fellow fighters saying he was ashamed of his "service". Now he's wearing it like a badge of honor and sliming GW for the very thing he was encouraging people to do then (and much worse). No, kerry isn't a dodger he's just a disgusting opportunist, gigolo, who is an embarrassment to the Dem party, the military & the country. I'm a registered Dem, a VN vet (1Lt, Bronze star etc) but I'd vote for Saddam before I'd vote for John Kerry. Oops, got a little carried away there. I wasn't gonna admit that :o) Greg Sefton |
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It takes time to develop relationships, learn how to get things done, etc. -- Mark And how to milk the taxpayers and squeeze the system for personal gain and how to keep getting elected on name alone and on and on. "Re-elect No One" Greg Sefton |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
For perspective's sake, and for the record, I agree completely. I've known a few Congressmen and there is no evidence that they were corrupt in any conventional way. There are some who are deeply corrupt, but my bigger concern is that the system itself becomes corrupt by the machinations of career politicians. They have their own ways of getting things done, and it includes lots of minor corruptions, such as heavy-duty logrolling, porkbarrel outrages, and so on. Petty stuff, but stuff that corrupts the whole process. It might help to have a limit on the number of generations a family is allowed to be involved in politics. ;-) http://tinyurl.com/2j4j8 Wayne |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message . net... "jim rozen" wrote in message ... In article , Ed Huntress says... I'm big on the 1st, 4th, 9th, and 10th. Those guys will take care of the rest. g I always sort of liked the 6th. The story of Gideon Vs Wainright and how the right to be represented by council came about is one of my favorite stories. They made a film about it, Gideon's Trumpet. Ok, you've got dibs on the 6th. Any others? Ed Huntress How about the 10 Commandments? The ones about don't kill and don't steal seem to be out of favor among the religious right. They tend to stand in the way of invading other countries. ;-) Pete. |
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"Bray Haven" wrote in message
... I'm a registered Dem, a VN vet (1Lt, Bronze star etc) but I'd vote for Saddam before I'd vote for John Kerry. Oops, got a little carried away there. I wasn't gonna admit that :o) In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a registered Republican, but I'd vote for Saddam before I'd vote for George Bush. I guess we're both examples of free-thinking politics. g Ed Huntress |
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"Peter Reilley" wrote in message
... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message . net... "jim rozen" wrote in message ... In article , Ed Huntress says... I'm big on the 1st, 4th, 9th, and 10th. Those guys will take care of the rest. g I always sort of liked the 6th. The story of Gideon Vs Wainright and how the right to be represented by council came about is one of my favorite stories. They made a film about it, Gideon's Trumpet. Ok, you've got dibs on the 6th. Any others? Ed Huntress How about the 10 Commandments? The ones about don't kill and don't steal seem to be out of favor among the religious right. They tend to stand in the way of invading other countries. ;-) I'm not sure about the Commandments. I'd want a legal definition of "covet" first. Ed Huntress |
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So this means he is brighter than 85% of the Democrats that say he is stupid?
Dan (Cliff Huprich) wrote in message Seems like the his IQ is thought to be about 120 - 125. About 15% of te US population is brighter by far. He'd never make it into Mensa. |
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"Dan Caster" wrote in message
m... (Cliff Huprich) wrote in message Seems like the his IQ is thought to be about 120 - 125. About 15% of te US population is brighter by far. He'd never make it into Mensa. So this means he is brighter than 85% of the Democrats that say he is stupid? Dan But how do you know that the Democrats who say he's stupid aren't the same ones who are smarter than he is? g Ed Huntress |
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In article , Ed Huntress
says... I'm not sure about the Commandments. I'd want a legal definition of "covet" first. Nope, not allowed. That would violate the separation of church and state! :) Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article , Bray Haven says...
No, kerry isn't a dodger he's just a disgusting opportunist, gigolo, who is an embarrassment ... Whoa, I thought for a moment you were talking about Rove there. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 9 Feb 2004 05:43:10 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... Now would you tell me when Ill be allowed to purchase a H&K G91 in California? As soon as the mormons are allowed to have ten wives by law. Or, as another gent said, as soon as he can marry his own son. Reasonable Its reasonable in at least 47 other states Time Currently Place Any gunshow or gunshop and Manner I have a CCW for Buddha's sake. I can carry a concealed 44 Mag if I want, but cannot buy a simple semiautomatic rifle? Restrictions. Are a Liberal invention based on emotional content and the fact the rifle is black. Gunner "To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem. To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized, merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas |
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On 9 Feb 2004 05:41:10 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... GW strapped on a supersonic aircraft which could have killed him in an instant. Too bad he never learned to fly those when he was in his former training. This was a great photo op, but to suggest that he was anything other than along for the ride is to disparage the real pilot who flew him. That man had the guts to actually take advantage of the training given him by the air force, and not just hide away until the smoke cleared in Vietnam. You could strap GWB onto a space shuttle, that don't make him an astronaut. Jim Ah Jim...Dubya WAS a F-102 pilot (along with a number of other aircraft, any of which could have killed him).. http://www.danford.net/bushf102.htm as the author said in his last paragraph.... "If I were judging Bush on his career as an Air Force officer, I would be inclined to grade him much as his Yale professors did, with a "gentleman's C" (which in this era of grade inflation would translate to a B-plus). I can't of course judge him as a pilot, except to doff the virtual hat to anyone who could handle a supersonic aircraft without killing himself or a bystander." Please try to seperate your anti-Bush sentiments from the facts, ok? Btw..what aircraft do you have time in? Gunner "To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem. To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized, merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message . net... "Peter Reilley" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message . net... "jim rozen" wrote in message ... In article , Ed Huntress says... I'm big on the 1st, 4th, 9th, and 10th. Those guys will take care of the rest. g I always sort of liked the 6th. The story of Gideon Vs Wainright and how the right to be represented by council came about is one of my favorite stories. They made a film about it, Gideon's Trumpet. Ok, you've got dibs on the 6th. Any others? Ed Huntress How about the 10 Commandments? The ones about don't kill and don't steal seem to be out of favor among the religious right. They tend to stand in the way of invading other countries. ;-) I'm not sure about the Commandments. I'd want a legal definition of "covet" first. Ed Huntress It depends on your viewpoint. If you are a Christian fundamentalist then you would not use that word. You think more in the term of "God gave me the right to XXX". That way you are not stealing or killing. God gave you the right to do whatever. However, it you are the other guys then they do "covet" any should suffer the full wrath of God. Christian fundamentalists are happy to help God with the wrath part. This is great, I should have been a theologian. Pete. |
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Gunner wrote:
Ah Jim...Dubya WAS a F-102 pilot (along with a number of other aircraft, any of which could have killed him).. You seem to be equating the risk of operating a potentially dangerous device, with combat risk. OK then, a purple heart for everybody who's banged their thumb with a hammer. Medal of Valor if you ran your car into the ditch after one too many. Wayne |
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In article , Gunner says...
Ah Jim...Dubya WAS an F-102 pilot ... Tough to get shot at, in texas. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article , Gunner says...
Restrictions. Are a Liberal invention ... Based on the supreme court's views. May be unfortunate for you, but there they are. You can't just deny them and make them go away, for the first, or the second amendment. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 20:02:26 GMT, "wmbjk"
wrote: Gunner wrote: Ah Jim...Dubya WAS a F-102 pilot (along with a number of other aircraft, any of which could have killed him).. You seem to be equating the risk of operating a potentially dangerous device, with combat risk. OK then, a purple heart for everybody who's banged their thumb with a hammer. Medal of Valor if you ran your car into the ditch after one too many. Wayne Blink blink..huh? Thats quite a strawman you constructed there. Did you get a building permit and a ERR? Gunner "To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem. To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized, merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas |
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On 9 Feb 2004 12:47:29 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... Restrictions. Are a Liberal invention ... Based on the supreme court's views. May be unfortunate for you, but there they are. You can't just deny them and make them go away, for the first, or the second amendment. Jim Which restrictions and which Supreme Court? Gunner "To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem. To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized, merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas |
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On 9 Feb 2004 12:43:39 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... Ah Jim...Dubya WAS an F-102 pilot ... Tough to get shot at, in texas. Jim And if his squadron had been deployed to RVN? As many in the Guard found out in Iraq, belonging to the Guard, or the military in general doesnt give you a pass from being put in harms way. Ive not doubt Dubya would have bitched and screamed and ****ed and moaned (like 99% of every troop) when learning he had to go get shot at..and then gone and done it just like the other 99.99% Gunner "To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem. To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized, merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas |
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In article , Gunner says...
And if his squadron had been deployed to RVN? Yep, 'if my aunt had wheels, she'd be a tea-cart.' Which is another way of saying the obvious in this case, which is gwb's dad bought him a slot in that outfit so he wouldn't *have* to go overseas. If that problem cropped up again, dad would fix it up some other way, the same way he did it the first time, with an application of money or influence. Honestly I'm suprised at your naive viewpoint here on this issue gunner. There's absolutely no reason in the world that rich folks shouldn't be allowed to spend their hard inherited money any way they want! And that includes buying their son out of combat. This country has a long histroy of this sort of thing - look back at the civil war, all one had to do is 'hire' a substitute to get out of the draft. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article , Gunner says...
Which restrictions and which Supreme Court? The court, as an institution. Over the years it has been pretty clear that reasonable time, place and manner restrictions on things like free exercise, or free speech, have been endorsed many many times. Free speech is not an absolute right. Nor, apparently is weapons ownership. This is one of the problems of claiming equal treatment between the first and second amemendment - sure the court does place limits and restrictions on the first. So it makes sense that they should do the same, to the second as well. Or is your position that the second amendment is somehow more important than the first, and therefor should be exempt from any interpretation at all? If that's the case, I *do* claim equal treatment between the two, because the first thing in the morning I'm starting the Dali Jim Llama Church of Metalworking and filing for tax exempt status. My religion prohibits paying taxes, of course! Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 20:02:26 GMT, "wmbjk" wrote: Gunner wrote: Ah Jim...Dubya WAS a F-102 pilot (along with a number of other aircraft, any of which could have killed him).. You seem to be equating the risk of operating a potentially dangerous device, with combat risk. OK then, a purple heart for everybody who's banged their thumb with a hammer. Medal of Valor if you ran your car into the ditch after one too many. Wayne Blink blink..huh? Thats quite a strawman you constructed there. Did you get a building permit and a ERR? Jeez man, I'd think that you of all people could understand that argument, since it's *exactly* the kind you use several times each day. It ought to be hard to imagine anyone who couldn't just admit that GW used his family's position (aka money) to take the easy way out. But it's a snap with you, 'cause you're one delu... I mean committed partisan. If they abolished politics tomorrow and you became a free agent, you'd be drafted in the first round by the flat earth society. I can see it now, the latest Gunner commenced thread: "Zogby poll shows that 97% believe earth is flat, other 3% are gay serial killers" Your first post : "See, I told you so www.roundersareweenys.com ". Say, isn't the flat earth society in your neighborhood? What a coinkydink. LOL, time for a cite! http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flatearth.html Wayne |
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No, kerry isn't a dodger he's
just a disgusting opportunist, gigolo, who is an embarrassment ... Whoa, I thought for a moment you were talking about Rove there. Jim Who's this "Rove" guy?? Is he running for something? You guys are pretty desperate for someone to trash. :o) Greg Sefton |
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In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a registered Republican, but I'd
vote for Saddam before I'd vote for George Bush. I guess we're both examples of free-thinking politics. g Ed Huntress I had a feeling that's what your sentiments were, Ed :o). I have a bunch of disagreements with Dubya but I'll hold my nose and vote for him, just to cancel out your vote G. Greg Sefton |
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Bray Haven wrote: No, kerry isn't a dodger he's just a disgusting opportunist, gigolo, who is an embarrassment ... Whoa, I thought for a moment you were talking about Rove there. Jim Who's this "Rove" guy?? Is he running for something? You guys are pretty desperate for someone to trash. :o) Greg Sefton You better keep up. Carl Rove is the Dubya's political adviser. He and Cheney are running the country. Rove is the one responsible for deciding on policies that will solidify the Dubya's hard core political base and then manipulating the facts to justify their implimentation. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 19:54:18 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Mark Jerde" wrote in message .. . Ed Huntress wrote: Good points all, and they work for me. I think that career politicians are the problem. If we had term limits and the kind of temporary service the FF's envisioned (and, for the most part, what they practiced) we'd have a more honest government. A somewhat naive one, and maybe a technically less-competent one, but a more honest one. Do term limits /really/ make sense? Wanted: Pipeline welder. Cannot have more than 5 years experience. Wanted: Brain surgeon. Cannot have more than 3 years experience. Wanted: U.S. senator. Cannot have more than 4 years experience. ??? It takes time to develop relationships, learn how to get things done, etc. Indeed it does, Mark. And it's the "developing relationships" part that's the most corrupting influence on our government. The "learning how to get things done" part depends on how many corrupting relationships are controlling the process. Ed Huntress HEAR HEAR!! |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 18:07:41 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote: Mark Jerde wrote: Do term limits /really/ make sense? Wanted: Pipeline welder. Cannot have more than 5 years experience. Wanted: Brain surgeon. Cannot have more than 3 years experience. Wanted: U.S. senator. Cannot have more than 4 years experience. ??? It takes time to develop relationships, learn how to get things done, etc. OTOH, the longest serving members of the majority party in congress are always the biggest pigs at the trough. It does not take a whole lot of smarts to realize that the cheapest way to stay in office is to bring home the pork regardless of the best interest of the country. GREAT POINT Glen!! |
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"Bray Haven" wrote in message
... No, kerry isn't a dodger he's just a disgusting opportunist, gigolo, who is an embarrassment ... Whoa, I thought for a moment you were talking about Rove there. Jim Who's this "Rove" guy?? Is he running for something? You guys are pretty desperate for someone to trash. :o) Greg Sefton He's the Choreographer and Puppeteer. It's an appointed position. Ed Huntress |
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"Bray Haven" wrote in message
... In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a registered Republican, but I'd vote for Saddam before I'd vote for George Bush. I guess we're both examples of free-thinking politics. g Ed Huntress I had a feeling that's what your sentiments were, Ed :o). I have a bunch of disagreements with Dubya but I'll hold my nose and vote for him, just to cancel out your vote G. Greg Sefton Hey, likewise. g Ed Huntress |
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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 03:44:13 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On 8 Feb 2004 14:51:17 -0800, jim rozen wrote: In article , Dale Scroggins says... What, exactly, was a "draft dodger" in 1970? Would you consider someone who decided to attend college for the sole reason to avoid military service a "draft dodger"? The real question is, what do the *republicans* think is a draft dodger? The flow chart looks like this: If bill clinton, then 'yes.' Clinton went to Europe to do dope, and rape young English girls. If GWB, then "no." GW strapped on a supersonic aircraft which could have killed him in an instant. If Kerry, then "this is a stupid issue." Jim ================================================ == please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================ == "To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem. To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized, merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas And remember in 1994 it was Kerry who said "military service should not be an issue in a presidental election"! COURSE he was campaigning for Clinton at the time! |
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On 9 Feb 2004 05:41:10 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... GW strapped on a supersonic aircraft which could have killed him in an instant. Too bad he never learned to fly those when he was in his former training. This was a great photo op, but to suggest that he was anything other than along for the ride is to disparage the real pilot who flew him. So You suggest he should have flown himself and made a carrier landing 34 years after that training!!???!! That man had the guts to actually take advantage of the training given him by the air force, and not just hide away until the smoke cleared in Vietnam. You could strap GWB onto a space shuttle, that don't make him an astronaut. Why don't you just say I Hate The Guy and avoid all the BS rationalizations? Jim ================================================= = please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================= = GEEZ! |
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On 9 Feb 2004 12:43:39 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... Ah Jim...Dubya WAS an F-102 pilot ... Tough to get shot at, in texas. Jim ================================================= = please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================= = Tough in Arkansas too! Remember there were a lot of "unfit" classifications secured with aid from helpful family doctors. By the mid sixties anybody that had the chance was avoiding a war run on lies and deceit. |
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In article , Tbone says...
You could strap GWB onto a space shuttle, that don't make him an astronaut. Why don't you just say I Hate The Guy and avoid all the BS rationalizations? I thought that above statement was pretty common sense. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article , Tbone says...
And remember in 1994 it was Kerry who said "military service should not be an issue in a presidental election"! COURSE he was campaigning for Clinton at the time! OK then, exactly *which* spin doctor should the voter believe? You tell me. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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