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"Why" wrote in message
... I'll bet a cup of 1975 sulphur oil (still in the machine, experienced oil that's very good oil, it has experience). But what are we betting on? Mikee said, and I quote, "I hope Kerry gets the Democratic nomination. It will almost guarantee Bush's reelection." Now he's waffling. He won't give odds. g Which reminds me, I have that can of Buttercut for you. I don't know if UPS will let me ship biological incubators that are still alive inside, but I'll find out. Man, it's one ugly can of oil. Ed Huntress Gee, ED, you don't have to tell UPS nothing, the people at the counter are X-burger flippers ;) Just tell them it's a body oil. They ship live snakes & stuff. Bet that added to sulphur oil would make Brownies sing to high Heaven. All I've heard from that can is a kind of low grumbling, like the background noise in "The Exorcist." Would you love to have 304 cut like "butter"? Buttercut will do it, order yours now "not sold in stores". It used to be, but now you have to order it over the Internet, from an anonymous post office box. " order now & get a free 2oz container of "old oil before Y2, before Clinton, before we even heard about China" & health insurance was "pocket money". Back when oil was real oil... Yes go back to the good old days, when cars were cars & not jelly beans, & you could tell every car on the road, you can re-live this wonderful time buy ordering NOW. Operators are standing by to take your order in India..... Remember, this stuff is made from pigs. You have to find a Hindu source. There are no Muslim sources. Ed Huntress |
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"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote in message
GEORGE W. BUSH 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20520 EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE: College: I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader. Hmmm. The same college that Kerry attended and belonged to the same frat that Kerry joined. Why didn't you include graduate schools? Harvard Business School. That is what I love about Democrats claiming that Bush is not bright. Graduated from one of the most prestigious colleges and attended one of the better business schools. More than I did. Dan |
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"tonyp" wrote in message ...
"Chris Johnson" wrote I wouldn't trust anyone running to walk my dog. Okay, but just remember that Mr. President George W. Bush, Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, Leader of the Free World, and Defender of the Faith-based initiative, _is_ one of those who are running. -- Tony P. http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/patriot/index.asp HTH -- Cliff |
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Why wrote:
Gee, ED, you don't have to tell UPS nothing, the people at the counter are X-burger flippers ;) Just tell them it's a body oil. They ship live snakes & stuff. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3463679.stm http://www.gothamist.com/archives/20...fshipper.ph p |
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Where should you draw the line? Should I say we need to provide for
the people on Bainbridge Island before anyone else? Maybe I should expand that to Kitsap county? Washington State? The Pacific Northwest? Pacific coast? The U.S and to hell with Canada? Well maybe North America even if it includes Mexico. Okay, the Western Hemisphere. Okay, but I am drawing the line at everyone on earth. Nobody from any other planet. They really are not humans and don't deserve being treated like humans. Chris, you really need to reread what you wrote. It really makes you sound like a very selfish bigoted person. Dan Chris Johnson wrote in message NONE of them are properly focused on protecting and defending America's FREEDOMS, and our opportunities, from assault from all sides including within. I could go off on a heck of a riff about the whole thing, but to make it short and sweet, why are we sending money to other countries when we have people in our own country who can't find a job (stolen by illegal immigrants) and don't even have a roof over their heads? We have to provide for our OWN people before providing for anyone else. To be utterly blunt, as long as we have problems of our own that haven't been solved, the rest of the world can go stuff itself. I favor legislative action to protect American markets from the unfair trade practices that much of the world engages in. (It's easy to sell stuff very cheaply to Americans when you barely pay your workforce!) Bring American jobs home. Place import tariffs on imported products to reduce their market advantage, and retaliate against the importing nation by placing export tariffs on all of our products that go there. America and Americans first. I'll vote for the candidate that swears to do that, with one hand on a bible and the other on his heart. And anyone who wishes to deprive me of ANY of my Constitutionally guaranteed rights, INCLUDING the right to keep and bear (any) arms (for any lawful reason), will not only NEVER get my vote, but I will work to ensure that others won't vote for him, either. In this respect, Clark is the worst of the bunch. He'd be happy to edit the 2nd amendment from the Bill of Rights if he could. As Clark swore "to protect and defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic" and holds a contrarian view on parts of that Constitution, I think he should be charged with dereliction of duty at the very least. Maybe even TREASON. CJ |
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"mikee" wrote in message
... Ed, Realistically, Kerry is somewhat left of Teddy Kennedy (Is that possible? Have I been listening to Gunner too long?). It's hard to tell, Mike. He hasn't been very active on big pieces of legislation, but his voting record is generally liberal. He's known mostly for investigating people and institutions that he believes are corrupt, or who have violated a public trust. In any case, Kennedy is a major schmoozer who leads on legislation, and Kerry is neither. Comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges. I don't think we'll have a good fix on Kerry until he squares off against Bush. The comparison should tell us a lot. If he gets the nomination, it's going to be an uphill fight against a fairly popular president. No doubt about it. This election will be a referendum on Bush more than anything else. That's usually true when an incumbent President is running. I don't gamble much (but occasionally will take an even odds bet), but I do like to bull**** some. My confidence is not real high that Bush will win, but my bull**** factor wants him to. I gathered that. g Just like the last election, this one should make for interesting viewing! It looks that way right now. My gut feeling is that the issues that are now giving Bush a lot of trouble will be resolved one way or the other long before election time, though, and the election may not be close at all. I won't venture a guess about how most of them will shake out but I think the immediate economic picture will look a lot better for him then -- particularly the jobs picture. The fact that our children's future will be mortgaged up to the hilt as a result probably won't play much as a campaign issue, although the Dems will try. That kind of economic analysis just doesn't make it into sound bites. Like I said, if you want odds, buy a lottery ticket. But those are HOUSE odds. I don't take house odds. I've never bought a lottery ticket, and I doubt if I ever will. Elections are good things to vote on. You can find people who get all worked up on both sides. If you play it smart, you'll be able to cover your bet so that you win either way. g Ed Huntress |
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"William" wrote in message
news:YacVb.246780$na.409990@attbi_s04... *If* they pull the Osama-Rabbit out of the hat less than a month before the election, Bush is a shoe in. I'll put five bucks on that bet, Ed. If you take that one, we'll need to have some kind of digital handshake to seal the wager! Jim Only if they leave enough time for him to thaw out and don't forget to cut the toe tag off before the pictures :-) William.... Haha! Now, that would make a good story. Ed Huntress |
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"Dan Caster" wrote in message
m... "PrecisionMachinisT" wrote in message GEORGE W. BUSH 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20520 EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE: College: I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader. Hmmm. The same college that Kerry attended and belonged to the same frat that Kerry joined. Why didn't you include graduate schools? Harvard Business School. That is what I love about Democrats claiming that Bush is not bright. Graduated from one of the most prestigious colleges and attended one of the better business schools. Here's a reality check for you, Dan: What do you think about your chances of being accepted to Harvard Business if you graduated from Yale with a low C? That is, if your parents aren't wealthy and your dad isn't a Congressman. George W. Bush's smartest move was in choosing his parents very well. Ed Huntress |
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Boy! Talk about a bunch of conspiracy theorists! We've already got Osama and
are just holding him till close to election day so we (Bush) can get great press??.....Hell, that's not a bad idea, hope it's true, but I doubt it. Too many people in the U.S (including myself) who would readily waste that MF on sight, not to mention those in uniform and on duty in Afganistan. Mike Eberlein Ed Huntress wrote: "William" wrote in message news:YacVb.246780$na.409990@attbi_s04... *If* they pull the Osama-Rabbit out of the hat less than a month before the election, Bush is a shoe in. I'll put five bucks on that bet, Ed. If you take that one, we'll need to have some kind of digital handshake to seal the wager! Jim Only if they leave enough time for him to thaw out and don't forget to cut the toe tag off before the pictures :-) William.... Haha! Now, that would make a good story. Ed Huntress |
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Exactly. Couldn't have said it any better had I tried.
Mike Eberlein jim rozen wrote: In article , mikee says... That sentiment wasn't that norm when I wore the uniform, tho. Times have changed, and I'm indeed glad to see it! I think to some degree the american public has grown up a bit and recognized the difference between the politicians who send their men off to war, and the men who become soldiers and fight the politicians' wars. I don't see any inconsistency in respecting or admiring the soldiers, vs distrusting or despising the politicians. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Where the f*ck did you get this link? LOL!
Mike Eberlein Cliff Huprich wrote: "tonyp" wrote in message ... "Chris Johnson" wrote I wouldn't trust anyone running to walk my dog. Okay, but just remember that Mr. President George W. Bush, Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, Leader of the Free World, and Defender of the Faith-based initiative, _is_ one of those who are running. -- Tony P. http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/patriot/index.asp HTH -- Cliff |
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As if he had any choice, just like you or me.
Mike Eberlein (to quote Mark Twain: "You can pick your friends, you pick who you get the clap from, but you can't pick your family." Pretty sure that's an accurate quote, but could be wrong, maybe) Ed Huntress wrote: "Dan Caster" wrote in message m... "PrecisionMachinisT" wrote in message GEORGE W. BUSH 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20520 EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE: College: I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader. Hmmm. The same college that Kerry attended and belonged to the same frat that Kerry joined. Why didn't you include graduate schools? Harvard Business School. That is what I love about Democrats claiming that Bush is not bright. Graduated from one of the most prestigious colleges and attended one of the better business schools. Here's a reality check for you, Dan: What do you think about your chances of being accepted to Harvard Business if you graduated from Yale with a low C? That is, if your parents aren't wealthy and your dad isn't a Congressman. George W. Bush's smartest move was in choosing his parents very well. Ed Huntress |
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In article , Ed Huntress
says... I wouldn't take that one if you put icing on it, Jim. LOL. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they have him right now, with Karl Rove doing a series of regression analyses to determine the perfect time to pull him out of his hole. g Hat. As in, "Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!!" That's one way to win an election. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article , Dan Caster says...
That is what I love about Democrats claiming that Bush is not bright. Graduated from one of the most prestigious colleges and attended one of the better business schools. More than I did. Dan Dan, his folks *bought* him those degrees. Everthing you did, you did on your own. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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"mikee" wrote in message
... As if he had any choice, just like you or me. Mike Eberlein (to quote Mark Twain: "You can pick your friends, you pick who you get the clap from, but you can't pick your family." Pretty sure that's an accurate quote, but could be wrong, maybe) The difference between you and me, on one hand, and George W. Bush, on the other, is that you and I aren't President...and I wouldn't want either one of us as President, any more than George Bush. g I am amazed at how someone can graduate from Andover and Yale, however, and still come out semi-literate. And then, with a low-C average, get into Harvard Business. There are a lot of things the rich know that you and I don't, but they don't have much to do with running the country. Ed Huntress |
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In article , Ed Huntress
says... George W. Bush's smartest move was in choosing his parents very well. And I've met Dan. You'd need a logarithmic scale to to compare his (higher) level of smarts with GWB. ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Ed Huntress wrote: Just like the last election, this one should make for interesting viewing! It looks that way right now. My gut feeling is that the issues that are now giving Bush a lot of trouble will be resolved one way or the other long before election time, though, and the election may not be close at all. I won't venture a guess about how most of them will shake out but I think the immediate economic picture will look a lot better for him then -- particularly the jobs picture. The fact that our children's future will be mortgaged up to the hilt as a result probably won't play much as a campaign issue, although the Dems will try. That kind of economic analysis just doesn't make it into sound bites. You are probably right that most of the really troubling issues will disappear before the election but probably in a way that the chickens will stay away from the roost only until just after the election. He has just named a commission to look into the failure or manipulation of intelligence on WMD and told them not to come back until March 2005. He stonewalled the commission looking into 911 until they couldn't complete their mission on schedule and now wants their report in time to bury it before the election. If he takes an "expedient" way out of Iraq in an attempt to bury that mistake we will be paying for it for years to come. The deficit is not going to go away but I don't think he is worried about that. FOr some odd reason the average Joe out there does not seem to object to the fact that the super rich are paying less in taxes than they have since W.W.II or that their children will be paying for it. They just see that extra $10 in the pay envelope every month. A few years ago the Republicans were screaming about deficits and Democrats in favor. Then, when the Democrats balanced the budget the Republicans immediately changed their tune. This election is not going to be about the issues. It is going to be a down in the dirt battle of personalities. Unfortunately Carl Rove, the world champion rumor mongering dirty tricks mud slinger is callint the shots for the Dubya and at least down here in the South and evidently California and other places the Republicans have thoroughly duped all the yellow dawgs. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Unfortunately most of it is only to true. :-) Bend over and kiss your
rights good bye. mikee wrote: Where the f*ck did you get this link? LOL! Mike Eberlein Cliff Huprich wrote: "tonyp" wrote in message ... "Chris Johnson" wrote I wouldn't trust anyone running to walk my dog. Okay, but just remember that Mr. President George W. Bush, Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, Leader of the Free World, and Defender of the Faith-based initiative, _is_ one of those who are running. -- Tony P. http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/patriot/index.asp HTH -- Cliff -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 08:24:26 GMT, "William" wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message .net... Why are you worried about people being swayed by polls? If they can be swayed by a poll, what else can they be swayed by? I think the stink over polls is 'way off base. I don't know anyone who votes on the basis of polls. But I do know people who vote for stupid reasons. It's not that they may vote based on the polls, it's that they may NOT vote at all, becuse of them, especially with exit polling. Well, if they have that little strength of their convictions that they don't want their voice heard, or don't care about more local issues also on the ballot where their vote can still make a difference, then maybe it is better that they don't vote. But it is a moot point anyway, since exit polls can't be reported until after the West Coast polls close. Gary |
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I have no knowledge about GW's undergraduate academic record, nor do I really care. Seriously, no man gets to be POTUS without a certain amount of smarts. Doesn't matter whether he bought it, inherited it, or (as some say) stole it, to me. He's got it. Our last prez was a Rhodes scholar, a draft dodger and acted like total trailer trash. GW may not be as articulate, nor as educated, but I like his Mom better so I'm gonna vote for him in November anyway! So there! Mike Eberlein (proving that emotion is everthing. Don't try and confuse me with facts!) Ed Huntress wrote: "mikee" wrote in message ... As if he had any choice, just like you or me. Mike Eberlein (to quote Mark Twain: "You can pick your friends, you pick who you get the clap from, but you can't pick your family." Pretty sure that's an accurate quote, but could be wrong, maybe) The difference between you and me, on one hand, and George W. Bush, on the other, is that you and I aren't President...and I wouldn't want either one of us as President, any more than George Bush. g I am amazed at how someone can graduate from Andover and Yale, however, and still come out semi-literate. And then, with a low-C average, get into Harvard Business. There are a lot of things the rich know that you and I don't, but they don't have much to do with running the country. Ed Huntress |
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On 6 Feb 2004 13:51:56 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Peter Reilley says... I wonder if liberal might come to mean jobs, healthcare, and ending the war just like it did the last time it was an honorable term and not an epithet back in the 60's. Perhaps conservative will become an accusation that politicians run from given the current crop of neo's. Hmm. Liberal might also mean, you support the entire bill of rights. It could mean pensions that were promised, have to be delivered on retirement. That sort of thing. I think I approve of your viewpoint. Jim Hummmm so what about the 2nd Amendment? I still cant see anyplace in the Constitution that mentions the right to murder your child, the right to welfare, Hate Speech, etc Claiming the Liberals have any sense of value for the Constitution , beyond trying to find work arounds is hysterically funny. Free speach is way cool, as long as its your enemies on Right that you send all the hecklers and rioters to. Gunner "To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem. To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized, merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas |
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 02:01:55 GMT, Andy Asberry wrote:
Here is a very good article by Ellen Goodman on where the new jobs are. http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/4357063.html As a life long avid DIYer, I hadn't really considered this. But there's a lot of truth in that article. A lot of things we used to assume as a matter of course that other people would do for us, we're now forced to do ourselves. I don't mind the ATMs or the self-serve gas stations, but I really despise calling a business and getting an automated phone system. If possible, I take my business elsewhere. And I *hate* the damn U-scan lines. I simply won't use them. I'd rather walk out and leave the full cart sitting there, and have done just that when they wouldn't open up a regular checkout line for me. For one or two items, maybe they're Ok, but try to check out a full grocery cart at one of those things. The scale platform fills up way before the cart is empty, and the damn thing natters at you and won't let you continue if you try to move some things to make room. Screw it, that's when I walk. The damn machine can try to restock the items for all I care. I don't really mind being my own bag boy, but damn it, I won't be nattered at by a stupid machine that can't understand I need a place to *put* all those things I just scanned. Gary |
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In article , Gary Coffman says...
.... And I *hate* the damn U-scan lines. I simply won't use them. I love going though those things at home despot. They're so badly engineered it's a pleasure to screw up the works. I also keep a running commentary going while doing this. It embarrasses my teenage daughter no end - I think that's part of the fun. But typically I have the other customers and the 'monitor' person in stitches before I'm finished there. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article , Gunner says...
Hummmm so what about the 2nd Amendment? Go back and read my comments. The *entire* bill of rights. Did you miss that? Claiming the Liberals have any sense of value for the Constitution , beyond trying to find work arounds is hysterically funny. Which is odd, because any time somebody wants to slap the "L" label on their opponent, they call them a 'card carrying member of the ACLU.' Which, last time I checked, was an organization devoted exclusively to doing what I mentioned above. Upholding the bill of rights. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article , mikee says...
I have no knowledge about GW's undergraduate academic record, nor do I really care. But I know some folks who *do* care, and you're going to be hearing about it during the upcoming campaing. Just a guess. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Good! It should be interesting.
Regards, Mike Eberlein jim rozen wrote: In article , mikee says... I have no knowledge about GW's undergraduate academic record, nor do I really care. But I know some folks who *do* care, and you're going to be hearing about it during the upcoming campaing. Just a guess. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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"mikee" wrote in message
... I have no knowledge about GW's undergraduate academic record, nor do I really care. Seriously, no man gets to be POTUS without a certain amount of smarts. Doesn't matter whether he bought it, inherited it, or (as some say) stole it, to me. He's got it. Our last prez was a Rhodes scholar, a draft dodger and acted like total trailer trash. GW may not be as articulate, nor as educated, but I like his Mom better so I'm gonna vote for him in November anyway! So there! Mike Eberlein (proving that emotion is everthing. Don't try and confuse me with facts!) Honesty in politics...g Ed Huntress |
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jim rozen wrote: Which is odd, because any time somebody wants to slap the "L" label on their opponent, they call them a 'card carrying member of the ACLU.' Which, last time I checked, was an organization devoted exclusively to doing what I mentioned above. Upholding the bill of rights. The rabid Right is always willing to brand anyone who has an opinion even slightly different with the "L" word. In fact that is their favorite tactic. It is odd that those who don't have a clue about the Bill of Rights and don't seem to want one are so keee to lable an organization that is as willing to take up the cause of the Klan in Skokee as it is the NAACP in Atlanta as "liberal". The bill of Rights says what it says. Not what some people think it should. There are far to many people that do not realize that a loss of a right to one is a loss to all. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Dan Caster wrote: Where should you draw the line? Should I say we need to provide for the people on Bainbridge Island before anyone else? Maybe I should expand that to Kitsap county? Washington State? The Pacific Northwest? Pacific coast? The U.S and to hell with Canada? Well maybe North America even if it includes Mexico. Okay, the Western Hemisphere. Okay, but I am drawing the line at everyone on earth. Nobody from any other planet. They really are not humans and don't deserve being treated like humans. Chris, you really need to reread what you wrote. It really makes you sound like a very selfish bigoted person. Dan No, it's a matter of putting the interests of your own family, friends, and fellow citizens in YOUR own back yard/country ahead of the interests of those in other places. When we're giving away BILLIONS of dollars in foreign aid to help feed, clothe, and shelter people in other countries when we have people in our OWN country that have the same basic needs which are not being provided for, then there's something SERIOUSLY WRONG. I have no problem with foreign aid, per se. My problem with it comes when Americans can't get the same kind of aid. You take care of your own before you take care of outsiders. It's a matter of priorities. CJ |
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It is very hard to get into Harvard Business School straight out of
college. I know of a couple people that did it, but Harvard B School prefers to take people that have worked for a while. They don't count your college grade point as much as what your work experience has been. I expect that Bill Gates could get into Harvard B School and he didn't even graduate from college. And I expect I could have gotten into H B School if I had graduated from Yale even with a C average if I had started my own business and they thought that I might become the head of a fair sized business. They do tend to accept people that they think may become heads of countries, but usually this is sons of kings. I don't think that H B School considered that G.W. would become president. Do you think that they passed him based on his parents? I don't. I think the Profs would have flunked him if he didn't well in the class work. Dan "Ed Huntress" wrote in message Here's a reality check for you, Dan: What do you think about your chances of being accepted to Harvard Business if you graduated from Yale with a low C? That is, if your parents aren't wealthy and your dad isn't a Congressman. George W. Bush's smartest move was in choosing his parents very well. Ed Huntress |
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In article k2iVb.40759$u_6.25232@lakeread04, Glenn Ashmore says...
It is odd that those who don't have a clue about the Bill of Rights and don't seem to want one are so keee to lable an organization that is as willing to take up the cause of the Klan in Skokee as it is the NAACP in Atlanta as "liberal". The bill of Rights says what it says. Not what some people think it should. There are far to many people that do not realize that a loss of a right to one is a loss to all. Indeed, that the loss of a *single* one of them, in reality means the loss of them all. All too often we hear the second amendment drum beaten by the same folks who will gladly give up the first, or any of the others, for that matter. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Thanks for the compliment. I looked you up because I thought you were
smart too. And I don't think that everything GWB has done, has been smart. But I certainly don't think he is stupid. Ten years from now, we will be able to see how it all turned out. I still have high hopes for Iraq, but that could turn out either way. If it ends up being a true democracy, he will look like a genius. If it does not, an idiot. Dan jim rozen wrote in message And I've met Dan. You'd need a logarithmic scale to to compare his (higher) level of smarts with GWB. ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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That sounds good, but my parents had a lot to do with it. When I was
in about the fourth and fifth grade, I figure I was at either the bottom of class or second to the bottom. My parents spent a good deal of time tutoring me and later paid to have a real teacher tutor me. And I think that GW's parents pushed him into going to Andover and Yale. I don't notice any of the Presidents or members of Congress sending their kids to the public school in Washington, D.C. I don't think sending your kids to private school is exactly buying degrees. But it does help the kids to be more successful. And I don't think that the school he went to have their good reputation because they let kids slide through. jim rozen wrote in message Dan, his folks *bought* him those degrees. Everthing you did, you did on your own. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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"Dan Caster" wrote in message
m... Do you think that they passed him based on his parents? I don't. I think the Profs would have flunked him if he didn't well in the class work. The whole thing is very mysterious. Business school was his backup position after the Univ. of Texas law school turned him down. Harvard's B school is reputed to be a tough go. There is nothing at all in Bush's previous record that suggests he had what it takes to make it. Either he got serious in a hurry, or something else is involved. Given his mediocre performance as a business manager and his generally slack style of life before he got born-again, I find it hard to believe that he got very serious for a few years and then suddenly reverted to his old habits. But you never know. Maybe he awoke for a few years and then took a long nap. Ed Huntress |
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Jim I'm curious why you keep using the term "draft dodger" when the guy was a reservist. Reservist make up a large part of the forces in Iraq..are they "draft dodgers" too?? Doesn't make sense to me! On 7 Feb 2004 08:22:40 -0800, jim rozen wrote: In article , Bray Haven says... Yep Slick Willy was a genuine draft dodger. Kerry would have done what Dubya did if he's had the intelligence to do it. Let me get this straight, you say that: 1) clinton was a draft dodger and that was wrong. 2) W was a draft dodger and it was right, and smart. 3) Kerry served his country overseas, and that makes him stupid and unfit to run for president. Doesn't make sense to me. Jim ================================================= = please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================= = |
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I agree Ed but it scares me that the rich are the ones "running the
country"! We need TERM LIMITS so there are no career politicians! We need folks from the real world that may make mistakes but do it in a democratic fashion rather than a "deal maker club". Everybody listen to themselves!! I read all the posts here and "the party" shouldn't matter!! Just the best interest of our country no matter party affiliation! The politicians have the sheeple so divided on party lines...Rozen you said "if Bush being elected in 04 would bring down the rep party you would vote for him". If you believe all the other stuff you said...is that in the country's best interest? Who made the original statement "divide and conquer" People we are being divided by the politicians for a purpose!!!! On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:41:57 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "mikee" wrote in message ... As if he had any choice, just like you or me. Mike Eberlein (to quote Mark Twain: "You can pick your friends, you pick who you get the clap from, but you can't pick your family." Pretty sure that's an accurate quote, but could be wrong, maybe) The difference between you and me, on one hand, and George W. Bush, on the other, is that you and I aren't President...and I wouldn't want either one of us as President, any more than George Bush. g I am amazed at how someone can graduate from Andover and Yale, however, and still come out semi-literate. And then, with a low-C average, get into Harvard Business. There are a lot of things the rich know that you and I don't, but they don't have much to do with running the country. Ed Huntress |
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Tbone wrote:
Jim I'm curious why you keep using the term "draft dodger" when the guy was a reservist. Reservist make up a large part of the forces in Iraq..are they "draft dodgers" too?? Doesn't make sense to me! You must be a youngster, Tbone. During the Vietnam era, joining the National Guard or Reserve guaranteed that you were very unlikely to ever see combat. Or leave your home state, more than likely. It wasn't really a war, you see. We were merely assisting the RSVN with some training, hardware, and a few troops. No need to call up the reserves or Guard. Here's the drill from the '60s. You turn 18, and graduate high school, you're eligible for the draft. You could, however, enroll in college and be given a student deferment. But you had to keep your grades up and make progress, or the college would notify your local draft board. Or you could, early in the decade, get married. The marriage deferment fell out of favor, though, so besides marriage, the wife needed to be pregnant. Serious business. George W. was about to lose his student deferment. He had been in school the maximum number of semesters, I think, and had barely kept the requisite grade point to keep his deferment. But that student deferment was about to expire. He could either marry an already pregnant female or join the reserves. Joining the reserves or National Guard was a real problem for most of us, though. Since membership in either one almost guaranteed a nice, safe, uneventful stay here in the states, a LOT of young men saw that as an attractive option. So all units, nationwide, were entirely, totally full, with two- to three-year waiting lists. Understandable, right? Funny thing, though. Regular fellows signed up for the waiting lists, but they never moved up. Our local Guard unit suddenly became populated by the sons of postmasters, judges, elected officials, and bank presidents. Guys, on a lesser scale, like Dan Quail and George W. For some reason, they didn't have to wait their turn. My four older brothers simply enlisted when their time came. When my turn came, the military didn't seem to appreciate the miracles of modern medicine [a couple of pounds of stainless steel in various joints (metal working content ;-))]. All my brothers were bright, and ended up doing technical jobs. Two made careers and retired. They all survived, but carry scars. No purple hearts, just scars. George W., two weeks away from losing his student deferment, decided to join an Air Force reserve unit. A COOL one, with fighters and everything. Had to to take a test, though. Scored a 25, barely acceptable. Was sworn in the day he applied. Some anonymous captain swore him in. A couple of days later, the wing commander reenacted the swearing-in for the benefit of the press. What do you reckon the odds are that the reserve unit had a waiting list, full of more qualified young men? The military during the Viet Nam era was manned by draftees and enlistees who found the draft to be a persuasive motivator. Forces were built up slowly, over years, so the draft worked well. We didn't have a draft for this Iraq war, nor an army big enough to sustain the occupation, so activating the Guard and reserves couldn't be avoided. We may yet see a political price paid for their activation, the price feared by Johnson and Nixon. Joining a Guard or reserve unit in the '60s and '70s was an excellent method of avoiding the draft and combat. 'Taint so, now. But it was then. Clear enough? Dale Scroggins |
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Glenn Ashmore wrote in message news:5oaVb.39539$u_6.21947@lakeread04...
returning for their two weeks R&R. Without exception their description of the situation in Iraq was the same four letter word. A couple who worked with the locals in restoring civil organization voiced the opinion that getting out without major embarrasment for the US will be almost impossible. "No exit strategy." That's one major reason Bush I never did this, even though at that time the fallout would have been much less.No one ever claimed the ideologues were heavy on brainpower. The good part is, if experience is any guide, that after we do finally turn tail and run from something we *never* should have started, the US will be a pretty quiet nation internationally for a decade or so. Maybe longer. The bill this time will be up in the big numbers. |
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Tbone wrote:
I agree Ed but it scares me that the rich are the ones "running the country"! We need TERM LIMITS so there are no career politicians! We need folks from the real world that may make mistakes but do it in a democratic fashion rather than a "deal maker club". Everybody listen to themselves!! I read all the posts here and "the party" shouldn't matter!! Just the best interest of our country no matter party affiliation! The politicians have the sheeple so divided on party lines...Rozen you said "if Bush being elected in 04 would bring down the rep party you would vote for him". If you believe all the other stuff you said...is that in the country's best interest? Who made the original statement "divide and conquer" People we are being divided by the politicians for a purpose!!!! Cussing politicians is like cussing a middle-level manager in business. Politicians work hard to keep their jobs and please their bosses. If their bosses are ill-informed and inattentive, then middle-level managers may choose to take advantage. If the boss only shows up once every four years, can't be bothered with petty details, makes a few emotional, off-the-cuff decisions, then disappears for another four years, then the boss will get what he deserves. What if some of his managers are talented, experienced, and principled? Should they be lumped in with the lesser managers, and all chucked out based on years of service, simply because the boss can't be bothered to check performance of his managers? If our country goes to hell in a handbasket within the next twenty years, don't blame the politicians. Take personal responsibility. If you believe that other voters are misinformed or uninformed, then inform them. If YOU are uninformed or misinformed, inform yourself. All of us are uninformed, to varying degrees. But if we remain that way, it isn't the politicians' fault. Or the media's, for that matter. WE drive this system. I've been working in political campaigns since 1966. If you don't like my political inclinations, you better get out and get to work. Otherwise, I win in a walkover. And George W. is in my sights this year. Dale Scroggins |
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