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I hate the trend toward Don't Run With Scissors


Very, very few know how to rate real risks or
what they are. Even the major ones.

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The following all have the same risk of one in a million. For each one say
whether you think the risk would likely be over or under estimated by an average
person and support your answer using the above factors of risk perception.

smoking two cigarettes
drinking 30 diet sodas with saccharin
eating one hundred fifty (1/2 lb) charcoal broiled steaks (aromatic hydrocarbon
risk)
eating one hundred, 100 gram servings of shrimp (formaldehyde risk)
eating four tablespoons of peanut butter every 10 days for person without
hepatitis B1
eating three hundred and fifty slices of stale bread (formaldehyde risk)
drinking seventy pints of beer per year (alcohol cancer risk)
exposure to typical radon levels in drinking water in California for six months
drinking water with the EPA limit of arsenic (50 ppb) for three days
one quarter of a typical chest X-ray
non smoker exposed to average US radon level (1.5 pCi/l) for one week
forty days of living in Denver (compared to Philadelphia)
traveling 100 miles in a motor vehicle
dying from a lightning strike in a 6 year period
]
http://physics.ius.edu/~kyle/P310/Risk.html

See also http://www.biology.usu.edu/courses/p...23RISK2005.pdf
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So what diet soda, besides fountain diet coke, uses saccharin??? I thought
all were aspartame.
Respectfully,
Ron Moore


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I hate the trend toward Don't Run With Scissors


Very, very few know how to rate real risks or
what they are. Even the major ones.

[
The following all have the same risk of one in a million. For each one say
whether you think the risk would likely be over or under estimated by an
average
person and support your answer using the above factors of risk perception.

smoking two cigarettes
drinking 30 diet sodas with saccharin
eating one hundred fifty (1/2 lb) charcoal broiled steaks (aromatic
hydrocarbon
risk)
eating one hundred, 100 gram servings of shrimp (formaldehyde risk)
eating four tablespoons of peanut butter every 10 days for person without
hepatitis B1
eating three hundred and fifty slices of stale bread (formaldehyde risk)
drinking seventy pints of beer per year (alcohol cancer risk)
exposure to typical radon levels in drinking water in California for six
months
drinking water with the EPA limit of arsenic (50 ppb) for three days
one quarter of a typical chest X-ray
non smoker exposed to average US radon level (1.5 pCi/l) for one week
forty days of living in Denver (compared to Philadelphia)
traveling 100 miles in a motor vehicle
dying from a lightning strike in a 6 year period
]
http://physics.ius.edu/~kyle/P310/Risk.html

See also http://www.biology.usu.edu/courses/p...23RISK2005.pdf
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Cliff



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"Cliff" wrote in message
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I hate the trend toward Don't Run With Scissors


Very, very few know how to rate real risks or
what they are. Even the major ones.

[
The following all have the same risk of one in a million. For each one say
whether you think the risk would likely be over or under estimated by an

average
person and support your answer using the above factors of risk perception.


And also interesting that some activities have a smaller risk of death than
"Living".

FRA estimate of "Living" has a death rate of about 1.53 per million hours.

Flying (airline) is .15
Cycling (push bike) is .26
Automobile is .47

Some are not:

Motorcycling (road) is 8.80



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There are a number now using "Splenda" such as the Adirondack Beverages
"Waist Watcher" line.

Aspartame is so "yesterday!!"



Ron Moore wrote in article
DpHHf.1823$Tf3.1519@dukeread09...
So what diet soda, besides fountain diet coke, uses saccharin??? I

thought
all were aspartame.
Respectfully,
Ron Moore


"Cliff" wrote in message
...


I hate the trend toward Don't Run With Scissors


Very, very few know how to rate real risks or
what they are. Even the major ones.

[
The following all have the same risk of one in a million. For each one

say
whether you think the risk would likely be over or under estimated by

an
average
person and support your answer using the above factors of risk

perception.

smoking two cigarettes
drinking 30 diet sodas with saccharin
eating one hundred fifty (1/2 lb) charcoal broiled steaks (aromatic
hydrocarbon
risk)
eating one hundred, 100 gram servings of shrimp (formaldehyde risk)
eating four tablespoons of peanut butter every 10 days for person

without
hepatitis B1
eating three hundred and fifty slices of stale bread (formaldehyde

risk)
drinking seventy pints of beer per year (alcohol cancer risk)
exposure to typical radon levels in drinking water in California for

six
months
drinking water with the EPA limit of arsenic (50 ppb) for three days
one quarter of a typical chest X-ray
non smoker exposed to average US radon level (1.5 pCi/l) for one week
forty days of living in Denver (compared to Philadelphia)
traveling 100 miles in a motor vehicle
dying from a lightning strike in a 6 year period
]
http://physics.ius.edu/~kyle/P310/Risk.html

See also http://www.biology.usu.edu/courses/p...23RISK2005.pdf
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Cliff




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On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:14:49 -0600, "Ron Moore" wrote:

So what diet soda, besides fountain diet coke, uses saccharin??? I thought
all were aspartame.


Saccharin is thought to cause cancer?
Remember Fizzies? They contained cyclamates which
were banned.
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What I remember about cyclamates was the dose. A rat had a 1-3% (as I
remember) increase of getting cancer when given the equivalent dosage of a
human drinking 20 GALLONS of pre-sweetened Kool-Aid a day. To my thinking,
cancer would not be the first concern one would have. There were rumors, at
the time, of tainted studies because the sugar importers/distributors were
upset. I was really upset when I could no longer get diet drinks using
cyclamates. "Equal" is and was not equal to the flavor of the others, as
far as I'm concerned.
Recently, saccharin was determined to be harmless as a sugar substitute.
Aspertame, however has many adverse side effects linked with it. Amazes me
it is still available.
Ron
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:14:49 -0600, "Ron Moore"
wrote:

So what diet soda, besides fountain diet coke, uses saccharin??? I
thought
all were aspartame.


Saccharin is thought to cause cancer?
Remember Fizzies? They contained cyclamates which
were banned.
--
Cliff



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