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Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:46:32 -0600, Mike Berger
wrote: No -- but maybe I missed something. The only criminal that killed anybody in this exchange was the guy who shot someone to protect his property. What criminal that killed someone were you referring to? Are wives considered property in the USA ? I thought that was only in Moslem style countries. As I understand the situation, the gentleman/victim/homeowner was defending his wife - who you insult by calling her " property " - from three cowardly armed criminals who broke into their home with the intention of robbing & injuring. possibly killing them. You are saying that he should not defend himself, a 71 year old and his 69 year old wife, against 3 young armed scum on the possible 1 in 10,000 chance that they would not hurt him or his wife? The scum were armed with guns and criminals will use them against their victims, that is the purpose of them carrying weapons. Grow up Mike By the way, have you sent a donation to cover the injured criminal's medical expenses ? Alan in beautiful Golden Bay, Western Oz, South 32.25.42, East 115.45.44 GMT+8 VK6 YAB ICQ 6581610 to reply, change oz to au in address |
Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
Hawke uttered:
Shoot first, and let God sort them out! Every time I hear that line muttered by someone it always turns out they are a moron. Many who speak that line (or one very like it) aren't aware of the proper usage, often attributed to the U.S. Marines. IMHO it is more aptly applied when waging war. dennis in nca |
Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
"Hawke" wrote in message ... ... On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:39:53 -0600, Mike Berger wrote: In the biggest part of this country, it isn't legal to kill someone over property. Morally, it's reprehensible. You missed my point. If a criminal comes into a house that is occupied, they _know_ that the occupant might hurt them. THey have already decided to take that risk and prepare themselves. As such, they are a credible and real threat to the honest citizen whose safety they are threatening by their uninvited presence. Is anyone that comes into your house uninvited a "criminal" who deserves to be shot? You are making a lot of assumptions besides the one that anyone coming into your house is a "criminal". That isn't always the case. I can think of many reasons why someone might barge into your house uninvited and didn't have the intent to do anyone harm. Lets hear a few of the many reasons someone can barge in to an occupied house without invitation. The only time that you have the right to use deadly force is when someone is threatening you or someone else with deadly force, I assume anyone barging in uninvited is there to do me or my family harm, if I'm armed when they come in they have about 1 second to ID themselves or start dodging bullets. otherwise they aren't a threat and don't deserve to be shot. As was previously stated, in most parts property damage or theft isn't grounds for killing someone. Only when you know for sure that someone has entered your house with malicious intent and is a credible threat can you legally harm them. Why would you otherwise? I don't think anyone would argue that if someone came at you in your own house and tried to harm you that you wouldn't have the right to use any means at your disposal to defend yourself, including shooting them. The question is when it isn't that cut and dried. There are a lot of what ifs that would prevent you from legally using a gun against someone, even in your house. So, unless you are dead sure that you are in the right it's not only risky for you to shoot someone but most of the time it's morally wrong too. I would add though that I would have no problem shooting someone that was a threat to me or someone else. Having just sat through a concealed carry class recently I can attest that the standard in California for using deadly force comes down to this: the reasonable apprehension of imminent death or danger. If that isn't the case you better think twice before shooting at someone. Hawke |
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wrote By the way, have you sent a donation to cover the injured criminal's medical expenses ? Maybe we should all donate a few bucks each to buy the old guy a gun with a little more fire power, 15 rounds of 10 mm maybe. -- Tom Wait Barton Rifle Shop 1805 Barton Ave Suite #9 West Bend, Wisconsin 53090 (262) 306-RIFL (7435) |
Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
Hawke said:
snip even though we are experiencing an economic boom, according to the White House, there doesn't seem to be any money for what seem like essential services. The reason is simple. We spend our country's tax revenue like fools. snip In addition, all the money being printed to fund the war, and pumped into this country weakens the value of the dollar. You don't see the published cost of living numbers spiking upward because of the huge amount of trade dollars going to China. The present administration probably sees this as an advantage because the dollars leaving the country will help offset the rate of inflation in the U.S. as they will not be counted in the determination of the increase in the cost of living. But the purchasing power of the dollar is nevertheless, still reduced. dennis in nca |
Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:52:07 GMT, Tom Wait wrote:
"Hawke" wrote in message ... Is anyone that comes into your house uninvited a "criminal" who deserves to be shot? You are making a lot of assumptions besides the one that anyone coming into your house is a "criminal". That isn't always the case. I can think of many reasons why someone might barge into your house uninvited and didn't have the intent to do anyone harm. Lets hear a few of the many reasons someone can barge in to an occupied house without invitation. Don't bother trying to reason with "Hawke". Google his posting history for enlightenment. Short version: word games, evasion, and bull****. He pretends to understand, and then when you start thinking he's reasonable, he goes back to the games. Sorry (not really) Hawke, if I'm spoiling your little game. |
Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
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Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:39:53 -0600, Mike Berger wrote: In the biggest part of this country, it isn't legal to kill someone over property. Morally, it's reprehensible. You missed my point. If a criminal comes into a house that is occupied, they _know_ that the occupant might hurt them. THey have already decided to take that risk and prepare themselves. As such, they are a credible and real threat to the honest citizen whose safety they are threatening by their uninvited presence. Is anyone that comes into your house uninvited a "criminal" who deserves to be shot? You are making a lot of assumptions besides the one that anyone coming into your house is a "criminal". That isn't always the case. I can think of many reasons why someone might barge into your house uninvited and didn't have the intent to do anyone harm. Lets hear a few of the many reasons someone can barge in to an occupied house without invitation. The only time that you have the right to use deadly force is when someone is threatening you or someone else with deadly force, I assume anyone barging in uninvited is there to do me or my family harm, if I'm armed when they come in they have about 1 second to ID themselves or start dodging bullets. otherwise they aren't a threat and don't deserve to be shot. As was previously stated, in most parts property damage or theft isn't grounds for killing someone. Only when you know for sure that someone has entered your house with malicious intent and is a credible threat can you legally harm them. Why would you otherwise? I don't think anyone would argue that if someone came at you in your own house and tried to harm you that you wouldn't have the right to use any means at your disposal to defend yourself, including shooting them. The question is when it isn't that cut and dried. There are a lot of what ifs that would prevent you from legally using a gun against someone, even in your house. So, unless you are dead sure that you are in the right it's not only risky for you to shoot someone but most of the time it's morally wrong too. I would add though that I would have no problem shooting someone that was a threat to me or someone else. Having just sat through a concealed carry class recently I can attest that the standard in California for using deadly force comes down to this: the reasonable apprehension of imminent death or danger. If that isn't the case you better think twice before shooting at someone. Hawke Can't think of a reason why someone would barge into your house that isn't a criminal? How about someone that's really drunk that's a neighbor of yours mistakes your house for his and comes in. How about someone that is mentally deranged or incoherent and doesn't know where they are or what they are doing comes in. Or how about someone is being chased by someone that is trying to assault them and they run to the nearest house possible and force their way in. Okay, there are three possibilities right off the top of my head. I'm sure people can think of plenty of other weird things that may cause someone to come into a home that isn't theirs but isn't intending harm. Say someone has just had a car accident and has a head injury. They wander to your door and break in. You shoot them to death. Then you find out they were no threat to anyone but themselves. Then their family sues you and takes everything you have because you were so stupid and trigger happy. Hawke |
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In article , Hawke says...
... How about someone that is mentally deranged or incoherent and doesn't know where they are or what they are doing comes in. I'm not *really* sure you are helping your case here. I think the mentally deranged folks are probably better off in their *own* houses. Or, maybe I could visit them there, instead. Shortly after we moved here that sort of thing did happen, there was an elderly man who showed up on our porch, I guess he though it was his house. Of course we called the police and they escorted him away, in an appropriate fashion. But I did not invite him in to put my family at risk, no matter how small. I'm sure he would not have harmed anyone - 99%. But with a newborn in the house, that one percent seemed large enough. If there had been a fuss, I would have done what Gunner always advocates - just go out the back door and get away. Nothing in the house is worth a life, obviously. The rule is, retreat if you can. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
Shoot first, and let God sort them out!
Many who speak that line (or one very like it) aren't aware of the proper usage, often attributed to the U.S. Marines. "Kill them all. God will know his own." --Arnold-Aimery, 1209, at Béziers during the Albigensian Crusade against the Cathars (according to Google, anyway). HTH --Glenn Lyford |
Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:45:48 -0600, Mike Berger
wrote: Sigh... yet another death caused by guns in the hands of civilians. But hey, if he saved his TV from being stolen, it was worth it. Gunner wrote: Jan 24, 2006 9:00 pm US/Pacific One Killed In Bakersfield Botched Home Invasion What part of Home Invasion and beating up the elderly wife didnt you understand, ****wit? Or are you unhappy that somone created a hostile work environment for you buddies the robbers? Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin |
Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:39:53 -0600, Mike Berger
wrote: In the biggest part of this country, it isn't legal to kill someone over property. Morally, it's reprehensible. What value of property do you think is worth someone's life? Would you kill someone for stealing your garden gnome? Or do they have to take your toaster before you'd shoot? What part of stealing dont you understand? Or are you ok with people stealing not only your property, but the labor it took to generate the funds to pay for the property? In effect..stealing a portion of your life. Milke..if you think that breaking into a persons home and stealing stuff shouldnt get you killed..then please, dont do it. Gunner Dave Hinz wrote: Riiiight. Because he just wanted the stuff, and wasn't a threat to the people in the home he broke into, is that it? News flash: criminals aren't stupid. They know the risks. If they decide to break into an occupied house, they've decided that they'll harm the occupants. The homeowner responded appropriately to the threat. "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin |
Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:42:50 -0600, Mike Berger
wrote: And you think this is going to convince me that it's better to kill someone than to lose pocket change? The death penalty doesn't deter murders. Texas has the most guns per capita of any state in the union, and also extremely high crime and murder rates. So guns apparently cause more crimes then they prevent. Hummm then by the same criteria..since Texas has the most illegal immigrants of all states..Illegal immigrants cause more crimes than they prevent. Am I stating your case correctly? Gunner Larry Jaques wrote: And then get out to do it again. Of course, despite any infractions inthe prison, they're sure to be released after half their sentence is up. Maybe they'll move to Mike's area and rob Mike's house next. Wouldn't that be some kinda karma? g "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:27:12 +1300, Tom wrote:
John Husvar wrote: In article , Tom wrote: Dave Lyon wrote: "Mike Berger" wrote in message ... And you think this is going to convince me that it's better to kill someone than to lose pocket change? The death penalty doesn't deter murders. Texas has the most guns per capita of any state in the union, and also extremely high crime and murder rates. So guns apparently cause more crimes then they prevent. Are you trolling, or are you really that stupid? Guns don't kill people, people do. Were people murdered before guns were invented? Hmmm, do automobiles kill people? or is it the drivers? If so, how come you license people to drive autos, but not to own & use guns? Because people with more trust in the goodness of government allowed a singularly useless intrusion on their freedom. Let bad drivers pay the price for their stupidity and leave those of who both know how to drive safely and do alone. What licensing scheme has provably prevented even _one_ auto accident? Bloody hell, I better put some shades on, the glow from your neck is even apparent down here! I notice that once again..the sheep ****er has to resort to adhoms when faced with a hard question. Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin |
Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:44:21 -0600, Mike Berger
wrote: My god, why should your bloodthirstiness make me feel better? You guys are very scary. You'd kill at the slightest provocation? Define "slightest provocation" You are refering to a group of armed men breaking into your home as "slight provocation", are you not? Gunner Dave Lyon wrote: In the mean time, I guess I'll have to cut the guy's head off with my corn knife. Would that make you feel better? "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin |
Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 08:53:02 -0600, Rex B
wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:43:58 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner quickly quoth: Jan 24, 2006 9:00 pm US/Pacific One Killed In Bakersfield Botched Home Invasion Too bad Norm didn't get all 3. I hope he buys an auto with a 15 round mag and gives the revolver to his wife. He could have nailed the guy who physically hurt him, too. On the other hand, the kid wrestled the gun away from him after he emptied it. Presumably if he'd had more ammo the kid wouldn't have had the chance. But if Norm got off 6 rounds and then the kid grabbed the gun, the kid would have 9 rounds for ole Norm. You are saying that the kid would have gotten the gun if it was still loaded? Its possible. You do know that most cops are killed with their own guns are you not? Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin |
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:49:51 -0600, Mike Berger
wrote: Maybe the kid thought Norm was overreacting and wanted to get the gun away from the crazy coot before he hurt someone else. Nobody got hurt except Norm and his wife. Gunner Rex B wrote: On the other hand, the kid wrestled the gun away from him after he emptied it. Presumably if he'd had more ammo the kid wouldn't have had the chance. But if Norm got off 6 rounds and then the kid grabbed the gun, the kid would have 9 rounds for ole Norm. "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin |
Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
Gunner wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:27:12 +1300, Tom wrote: John Husvar wrote: In article , Tom wrote: Dave Lyon wrote: "Mike Berger" wrote in message ... And you think this is going to convince me that it's better to kill someone than to lose pocket change? The death penalty doesn't deter murders. Texas has the most guns per capita of any state in the union, and also extremely high crime and murder rates. So guns apparently cause more crimes then they prevent. Are you trolling, or are you really that stupid? Guns don't kill people, people do. Were people murdered before guns were invented? Hmmm, do automobiles kill people? or is it the drivers? If so, how come you license people to drive autos, but not to own & use guns? Because people with more trust in the goodness of government allowed a singularly useless intrusion on their freedom. Let bad drivers pay the price for their stupidity and leave those of who both know how to drive safely and do alone. What licensing scheme has provably prevented even _one_ auto accident? Bloody hell, I better put some shades on, the glow from your neck is even apparent down here! I notice that once again..the sheep ****er has to resort to adhoms when faced with a hard question. Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin LOL, the token wetback adds his usual dumbass comment. |
Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
Can't think of a reason why someone would barge into your house that
isn't a criminal? How about someone that's really drunk that's a neighbor of yours mistakes your house for his and comes in. dumb neighbor. Darwin. How about someone that is mentally deranged or incoherent and doesn't know where they are or what they are doing comes in. His family or you should have done a better job of keeping him locked up and out of my house. This is EXACTLY the reason. Or how about someone is being chased by someone that is trying to assault them and they run to the nearest house possible and force their way in. Hmmm. Option A is I shoot the person breaking in. Not likely, but possible. Option B is I shoot the person coming after the first person. Option C is the chaser comes in, kills the person he was chasing, and then kills me and my family. Oh. wait. I have option A and B on my list. How long is your list? Say someone has just had a car accident and has a head injury. They wander to your door and break in. You shoot them to death. Then you find out they were no threat to anyone but themselves. Then their family sues you and takes everything you have because you were so stupid and trigger happy. In your scenario, the person was mentally incompetent, deranged, and generally out of control. Second,, we won't "find out they were no threat." They are dead. Third, "jury of your peers." Tell you what. Why don't you conduct a scientific poll. Break into a few houses, and report back on how friendly and nice folks are out there. |
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:27:15 +1300, Tom wrote:
Gunner wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:27:12 +1300, Tom wrote: John Husvar wrote: In article , Tom wrote: Dave Lyon wrote: "Mike Berger" wrote in message ... And you think this is going to convince me that it's better to kill someone than to lose pocket change? The death penalty doesn't deter murders. Texas has the most guns per capita of any state in the union, and also extremely high crime and murder rates. So guns apparently cause more crimes then they prevent. Are you trolling, or are you really that stupid? Guns don't kill people, people do. Were people murdered before guns were invented? Hmmm, do automobiles kill people? or is it the drivers? If so, how come you license people to drive autos, but not to own & use guns? Because people with more trust in the goodness of government allowed a singularly useless intrusion on their freedom. Let bad drivers pay the price for their stupidity and leave those of who both know how to drive safely and do alone. What licensing scheme has provably prevented even _one_ auto accident? Bloody hell, I better put some shades on, the glow from your neck is even apparent down here! I notice that once again..the sheep ****er has to resort to adhoms when faced with a hard question. Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin LOL, the token wetback adds his usual dumbass comment. Token wetback???? Drunk again after a night of debauchery among the flock, eh Tom? Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin |
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Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:27:15 +1300, Tom wrote: Gunner wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:27:12 +1300, Tom wrote: John Husvar wrote: In article , Tom wrote: Dave Lyon wrote: "Mike Berger" wrote in message ... And you think this is going to convince me that it's better to kill someone than to lose pocket change? The death penalty doesn't deter murders. Texas has the most guns per capita of any state in the union, and also extremely high crime and murder rates. So guns apparently cause more crimes then they prevent. Are you trolling, or are you really that stupid? Guns don't kill people, people do. Were people murdered before guns were invented? Hmmm, do automobiles kill people? or is it the drivers? If so, how come you license people to drive autos, but not to own & use guns? Because people with more trust in the goodness of government allowed a singularly useless intrusion on their freedom. Let bad drivers pay the price for their stupidity and leave those of who both know how to drive safely and do alone. What licensing scheme has provably prevented even _one_ auto accident? Bloody hell, I better put some shades on, the glow from your neck is even apparent down here! I notice that once again..the sheep ****er has to resort to adhoms when faced with a hard question. Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin LOL, the token wetback adds his usual dumbass comment. Token wetback???? Drunk again after a night of debauchery among the flock, eh Tom? Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin From your self-admitted socio-economic status, I'd say I'm tending toward flattery.. Most wetbacks enter the US with the sole purpose of self-improvment.. Tom |
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:55:03 +1300, Tom wrote:
Gunner wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:27:15 +1300, Tom wrote: Gunner wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:27:12 +1300, Tom wrote: John Husvar wrote: In article , Tom wrote: Dave Lyon wrote: "Mike Berger" wrote in message ... And you think this is going to convince me that it's better to kill someone than to lose pocket change? The death penalty doesn't deter murders. Texas has the most guns per capita of any state in the union, and also extremely high crime and murder rates. So guns apparently cause more crimes then they prevent. Are you trolling, or are you really that stupid? Guns don't kill people, people do. Were people murdered before guns were invented? Hmmm, do automobiles kill people? or is it the drivers? If so, how come you license people to drive autos, but not to own & use guns? Because people with more trust in the goodness of government allowed a singularly useless intrusion on their freedom. Let bad drivers pay the price for their stupidity and leave those of who both know how to drive safely and do alone. What licensing scheme has provably prevented even _one_ auto accident? Bloody hell, I better put some shades on, the glow from your neck is even apparent down here! I notice that once again..the sheep ****er has to resort to adhoms when faced with a hard question. Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin LOL, the token wetback adds his usual dumbass comment. Token wetback???? Drunk again after a night of debauchery among the flock, eh Tom? Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin From your self-admitted socio-economic status, I'd say I'm tending toward flattery.. Most wetbacks enter the US with the sole purpose of self-improvment.. Tom Odd..I was born here. So Tom..how DO you keep a french maids costume on a sheep? Ive asked before..but you never tell me your trade secrets. Velcro I assume? Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin |
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Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:55:03 +1300, Tom wrote: Gunner wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:27:15 +1300, Tom wrote: Gunner wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:27:12 +1300, Tom wrote: John Husvar wrote: In article , Tom wrote: Dave Lyon wrote: "Mike Berger" wrote in message ... And you think this is going to convince me that it's better to kill someone than to lose pocket change? The death penalty doesn't deter murders. Texas has the most guns per capita of any state in the union, and also extremely high crime and murder rates. So guns apparently cause more crimes then they prevent. Are you trolling, or are you really that stupid? Guns don't kill people, people do. Were people murdered before guns were invented? Hmmm, do automobiles kill people? or is it the drivers? If so, how come you license people to drive autos, but not to own & use guns? Because people with more trust in the goodness of government allowed a singularly useless intrusion on their freedom. Let bad drivers pay the price for their stupidity and leave those of who both know how to drive safely and do alone. What licensing scheme has provably prevented even _one_ auto accident? Bloody hell, I better put some shades on, the glow from your neck is even apparent down here! I notice that once again..the sheep ****er has to resort to adhoms when faced with a hard question. Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin LOL, the token wetback adds his usual dumbass comment. Token wetback???? Drunk again after a night of debauchery among the flock, eh Tom? Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin From your self-admitted socio-economic status, I'd say I'm tending toward flattery.. Most wetbacks enter the US with the sole purpose of self-improvment.. Tom Odd..I was born here. So Tom..how DO you keep a french maids costume on a sheep? Ive asked before..but you never tell me your trade secrets. Velcro I assume? Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin Perhaps you wish you were born south of the border? Then perhaps you'd have a better work ethic and perhaps less of a preoccupation with bestiality. Your sig is indicative to the world what sort of shallow-minded stereotypical jerk you really are. |
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:55:03 +1300, with neither quill nor qualm, Tom
quickly quoth: Gunner wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:27:15 +1300, Tom wrote: Kiddies, please take it to email if you're going to fight. This behavior is neither on topic nor properly OT. ;) - Press HERE to arm. (Release to detonate.) ----------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming |
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:13:09 +1300, Tom wrote:
Gunner wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:55:03 +1300, Tom wrote: Gunner wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:27:15 +1300, Tom wrote: Gunner wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:27:12 +1300, Tom wrote: John Husvar wrote: In article , Tom wrote: Dave Lyon wrote: "Mike Berger" wrote in message ... And you think this is going to convince me that it's better to kill someone than to lose pocket change? The death penalty doesn't deter murders. Texas has the most guns per capita of any state in the union, and also extremely high crime and murder rates. So guns apparently cause more crimes then they prevent. Are you trolling, or are you really that stupid? Guns don't kill people, people do. Were people murdered before guns were invented? Hmmm, do automobiles kill people? or is it the drivers? If so, how come you license people to drive autos, but not to own & use guns? Because people with more trust in the goodness of government allowed a singularly useless intrusion on their freedom. Let bad drivers pay the price for their stupidity and leave those of who both know how to drive safely and do alone. What licensing scheme has provably prevented even _one_ auto accident? Bloody hell, I better put some shades on, the glow from your neck is even apparent down here! I notice that once again..the sheep ****er has to resort to adhoms when faced with a hard question. Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin LOL, the token wetback adds his usual dumbass comment. Token wetback???? Drunk again after a night of debauchery among the flock, eh Tom? Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin From your self-admitted socio-economic status, I'd say I'm tending toward flattery.. Most wetbacks enter the US with the sole purpose of self-improvment.. Tom Odd..I was born here. So Tom..how DO you keep a french maids costume on a sheep? Ive asked before..but you never tell me your trade secrets. Velcro I assume? Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin Perhaps you wish you were born south of the border? Then perhaps you'd have a better work ethic and perhaps less of a preoccupation with bestiality. Work ethic? Odd...my customers have never complained nor have any of my employers. In fact..I was fired once in my 35 yrs of working. When I complained about them screwing me and the bounced paychecks. The labor board fined the **** out of them and forced them to pay the labor board..who then payed me..so they counldnt bounce any more checks. Now as far as my fascination with your particular interpretation of the term Animal Husbandry...shrug...some people go to the races to watch the car wrecks. I read your posts with the same anticipation. Your sig is indicative to the world what sort of shallow-minded stereotypical jerk you really are. Not only do you boink sheep..but you have no sense of humor to go along with it. Fascinating. Personally..I consider your personal "kink" to be hysterically funny. My sig is only a little funny. I wonder Tommy..do you keep your Sheep de jour in a Burka? Gunner "Deep in her heart, every moslem woman yearns to show us her tits" John Griffin |
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Gunner wrote:
She responded with (2) 240gr jacketed hollow points, about 2" apart, center of mass. Ouch, that probably left a mark! LOL I really slay myself! Freeway Liquors, just a stop and rob off the 58 freeway, had at last count..7 discreet tombstones painted next to the front door, one for each robber that was killed trying to rob the store. Its easy freeway access made it quite a target for some years before the news got passed around down in the So. Cal area..that its a Bad Place for bad guys to try to hit. Uh, which exit? :-) Seriously, I'd like to visit this place, make a purchase and get permission to take a picture of the tombstones. Reminds me of a couple of fellas who did not do their research and tried to hold up a cop bar several years ago in Vegas. They got ventilated. Jay |
Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
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(jj) wrote: Gunner wrote: She responded with (2) 240gr jacketed hollow points, about 2" apart, center of mass. Ouch, that probably left a mark! LOL I really slay myself! Freeway Liquors, just a stop and rob off the 58 freeway, had at last count..7 discreet tombstones painted next to the front door, one for each robber that was killed trying to rob the store. Its easy freeway access made it quite a target for some years before the news got passed around down in the So. Cal area..that its a Bad Place for bad guys to try to hit. Uh, which exit? :-) Seriously, I'd like to visit this place, make a purchase and get permission to take a picture of the tombstones. Reminds me of a couple of fellas who did not do their research and tried to hold up a cop bar several years ago in Vegas. They got ventilated. Jay "Think of it as evolution in action" :) -- Don Bruder - - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd for more info |
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Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
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Happened in Detroit back in the 70s too. Darwin Event In boston the deal was some stoned guy who always wound up desperate for a munchie fix. And would stop by the Dunkin Donuts. And imediately be arrested by a half dozen cops. Why do you think they call it dope. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
Armed citizen thwarts home invasion robbery
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:58:58 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm, Don
Bruder quickly quoth: Jay said: Reminds me of a couple of fellas who did not do their research and tried to hold up a cop bar several years ago in Vegas. They got ventilated. "Think of it as evolution in action" :) Verily. That is a most excellent quote from Niven's "Oath of Fealty". That was the second book I had read by him before I devoured every book he wrote. What a fantastic author! Niven, Asimov, Heinlein, the Top Three Sci-Fi authors of all time! I'm devouring all of Andre Norton's tomes now. Note to Gunner: if you haven't already read them, get her CatFantastic series. 3 books of short stories by her and others, all very good. -- - Tom Mix Died For Your Sins - -------------------------- http://diversify.com Comprehensive, Sin-free Website Development |
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wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:58:58 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm, Don Bruder quickly quoth: Jay said: Reminds me of a couple of fellas who did not do their research and tried to hold up a cop bar several years ago in Vegas. They got ventilated. "Think of it as evolution in action" :) Verily. That is a most excellent quote from Niven's "Oath of Fealty". Good eye! :) But don't forget that Jerry Pournelle was involved in OoF (as well as the Mote books, which are set in the same universe, just much futher in the future) Don't ignore Pournelle's "solo" stuff - "High Justice" and "King David's Spaceship" to name the two I'm most quickly able to think of (also set in the CoDominion universe) - just because he doesn't have Larry along for the ride, either. I think the two of them make up a killer team - Larry for the "hardcore Sci-Fi" jelly that's needed to cut through the peanut-butter thick politics and "future history" that Jerry piles on, and Jerry to keep Larry's propensity for being sort of "scatterbrained" from derailing the tale of the moment. Larry by himself tends to work better in "short story" format, I think, which frustrates the bejeebers out of me. Jerry "stabilizes" him, so that instead of just "brushing past" some fascinating concept with a five word mention, then seemingly forgetting about it completely, the neat concept actually gets explored. Footfall was another one where they worked brilliantly together, and for exactly the reasons mentioned: Larry had some *NEAT* aliens, with just-as-neat tech. Jerry had an excellent pot of "political glue" to stick them together into something more than the usual "Alien Invaders From Arcturus" crap that gets passed off as "good Sci-Fi" so depressingly often. But I still want to know exactly what became of Hairy Red... The mega-strong hint that he died is there, but... And *WHAT HAPPENED AFTER?!?!?* Did the aliens manage to figure out the trick of "false surrender", or did they become, effectively, slaves to humanity? Or perhaps the homeworld sent another expedition and Earth got its arse kicked? Or did Earth pick up the tech from the cube, and send an expedition to the homeworld and kick arse? Or something else? Like Mote in God's Eye, which finally got one (and it wouldn't hurt my feelings too much to see another one) Footfall simply cries for a sequel, IMO. And then there's the line from Gripping Hand: "They've bombed themselves back to the reinvention of the brick" - *LOVE* the mental picture that pops up :) That was the second book I had read by him before I devoured every book he wrote. What a fantastic author! Niven, Asimov, Heinlein, the Top Three Sci-Fi authors of all time! I'm devouring all of Andre Norton's tomes now. Witch World got old and tired for me after about the 3rd or 4th one (and last I knew, there were something like a dozen WW boooks total) but she's put out other good stuff. Dunno what it is, but certain books have a "fog" over them for me - The story seems to be packed in cotton or something, so that I can't get into it far enough to "see clearly" - The WW books I managed to slog through (and gawd, was it a slog) fit that class. -- Don Bruder - - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd for more info |
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:44:30 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm, Don
Bruder quickly quoth: In article , wrote: That is a most excellent quote from Niven's "Oath of Fealty". Good eye! :) But don't forget that Jerry Pournelle was involved in OoF (as well as the Mote books, which are set in the same universe, just much futher in the future) Don't ignore Pournelle's "solo" stuff - "High Justice" and "King David's Spaceship" to name the two I'm most quickly able to think of (also set Yes, I enjoy Jerry's work, too. I've read KDS but HJ wasnt in the library system here. in the CoDominion universe) - just because he doesn't have Larry along for the ride, either. I think the two of them make up a killer team - Larry for the "hardcore Sci-Fi" jelly that's needed to cut through the peanut-butter thick politics and "future history" that Jerry piles on, and Jerry to keep Larry's propensity for being sort of "scatterbrained" from derailing the tale of the moment. Larry by himself tends to work better in "short story" format, I think, which frustrates the bejeebers out of me. Jerry "stabilizes" him, so that instead of just "brushing past" some fascinating concept with a five word mention, then seemingly forgetting about it completely, the neat concept actually gets explored. All of his co-authors have been fantastic. Mote in God's Eye, which finally got one (and it wouldn't hurt my feelings too much to see another one) Footfall simply cries for a sequel, IMO. AGREED! (Is "by tomorrow" too soon, Mr. Niven?) And then there's the line from Gripping Hand: "They've bombed themselves back to the reinvention of the brick" - *LOVE* the mental picture that pops up :) Ayup. And that's what the Luddite environmentalists want to do to our world. sigh (I just finished reading Ronald Bailey's "EcoScam".) That was the second book I had read by him before I devoured every book he wrote. What a fantastic author! Niven, Asimov, Heinlein, the Top Three Sci-Fi authors of all time! I'm devouring all of Andre Norton's tomes now. Witch World got old and tired for me after about the 3rd or 4th one (and I read the first one and found it a tough read, as I did Black Trillium, so I'll leave those series 'til the end, maybe picking up another in each series to give it a try. "Gryphon's Eyrie" is done with A.C. Crispin and will be the next WW I'll try. last I knew, there were something like a dozen WW boooks total) but she's put out other good stuff. Dunno what it is, but certain books have a "fog" over them for me - The story seems to be packed in cotton or something, so that I can't get into it far enough to "see clearly" - The WW books I managed to slog through (and gawd, was it a slog) fit that class. Yeah some are like reading through quicksand. Pass! The Carolus Rex series was like wading through a medieval dungeon filled with dime romance novels. Not my cup of tea. -- - Tom Mix Died For Your Sins - -------------------------- http://diversify.com Comprehensive, Sin-free Website Development |
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 04:08:37 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
quickly quoth: Niven and Pournell are among my favorite authors..along with Weber and Johnny Ringo. If you are into E-books..email my your snail mail addy and Ill send Thanks, but no thanks. I'd take you up on that but I don't do well with ebooks. My eyes get tired too quickly and I can't curl up with a damned laptop like I can with a lightweight paperback. -- - Tom Mix Died For Your Sins - -------------------------- http://diversify.com Comprehensive, Sin-free Website Development |
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Has Larry actually written anything new in the last dozen years or more? All I've seen lately are the Man Kizen War short stories written by other people. Richard |
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Richard Lamb wrote: Has Larry actually written anything new in the last dozen years or more? All I've seen lately are the Man Kizen War short stories written by other people. Richard I think the latest thing Larry has done was another Ringworld book a year or two ago - I'm wanting to say the title was/is "Children of the Ringworld", and I seem to recall seeing someplace that quoted him as saying something that boiled down to "The Ringworld series is finished - It's huge, it's got potential from here to there, but I'm flat bored with it, so this is most likley the last installment." The one review-ish thing I read about it said that his boredom was pretty obvious. -- Don Bruder - - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd for more info |
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Gunner wrote: I read a lot on the computer..I use MobiPocket etc, adjust the font and type styles to my liking, and kick back in the chair and read. The difficult thing is when Im on the throne in the "library"...which is where paper books shine..and a piece of that paper on the roll makes a great book mark. That's where the laptop belongs! |
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