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So what uses have you found for the ball end of a ball-peen
(ball pein) hammer? -- Cliff |
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"Cliff" wrote in message ... So what uses have you found for the ball end of a ball-peen (ball pein) hammer? -- Cliff Peining sheet metals like copper, bronze, brass etc its shape. |
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In rec.crafts.metalworking Cliff wrote:
So what uses have you found for the ball end of a ball-peen (ball pein) hammer? Pounding curved shapes in hot steel. |
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Burt Gummer wrote:
"Cliff" wrote in message ... So what uses have you found for the ball end of a ball-peen (ball pein) hammer? -- Cliff Peining sheet metals like copper, bronze, brass etc its shape. Rivets |
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Cliff wrote in news:acrhr1d96e86chiku4jdc6kg57lp464khs@
4ax.com: So what uses have you found for the ball end of a ball-peen (ball pein) hammer? Peening welds in cast iron, as it cools, to prevent shrinkage and cracking. |
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"Cliff" wrote in message ... So what uses have you found for the ball end of a ball-peen (ball pein) hammer? -- Cliff I like to ask people that visit my shop to point the pein end out on a ball-pein hammer and watch 90% of them point ( incorrectly ) at the ball end. Dixon |
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Cliff wrote:
So what uses have you found for the ball end of a ball-peen (ball pein) hammer? Peining rivets. Thats what they were made for. ...lew... |
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"Burt Gummer" wrote in message ... "Cliff" wrote in message ... So what uses have you found for the ball end of a ball-peen (ball pein) hammer? -- Cliff Peining sheet metals like copper, bronze, brass etc its shape. Making paper gaskets... |
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Cliff wrote: So what uses have you found for the ball end of a ball-peen (ball pein) hammer? Pulverizing stuff like bondo- makes it easier to scrape off. Later, Charlie |
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Dixon wrote...
I like to ask people that visit my shop to point the pein end out on a ball-pein hammer and watch 90% of them point ( incorrectly ) at the ball end. Are you sure that's right? Webster could be wrong but says: pein Peen \Peen\, n. [Cf. G. pinne pane of a hammer.] (a) A round-edged, or hemispherical, end to the head of a hammer or sledge, used to stretch or bend metal by indentation. (b) The sharp-edged end of the head of a mason's hammer. [Spelt also pane, pein, and piend.] -- Jim |
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"Dixon" wrote in message
... "Cliff" wrote in message ... So what uses have you found for the ball end of a ball-peen (ball pein) hammer? -- Cliff I like to ask people that visit my shop to point the pein end out on a ball-pein hammer and watch 90% of them point ( incorrectly ) at the ball end. Which end is the peen end on a cross peen hammer? |
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Mike Young wrote...
Which end is the peen end on a cross peen hammer? This exact same example came to my mind right after I posted my first reply. But I didn't want to rub it in. (G) Cheers! Jim |
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I like to ask people that visit my shop to point the pein end out on a ball-pein hammer and watch 90% of them point ( incorrectly ) at the ball end. Dixon Last time I checked the Ball Pein was the round end, with the hammer end originally simply to be the extra weight and mass to make the ballpein work. |
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double checked with the works copper smith, the round end is the ball pein,
the other end simply a convenient flat hammer face. |
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Which would then make "ball-pein" redundant, no?
---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "Jim Wilson" wrote in message . net... Dixon wrote... I like to ask people that visit my shop to point the pein end out on a ball-pein hammer and watch 90% of them point ( incorrectly ) at the ball end. Are you sure that's right? Webster could be wrong but says: pein Peen \Peen\, n. [Cf. G. pinne pane of a hammer.] (a) A round-edged, or hemispherical, end to the head of a hammer or sledge, used to stretch or bend metal by indentation. (b) The sharp-edged end of the head of a mason's hammer. [Spelt also pane, pein, and piend.] -- Jim |
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If you are correct then why don't they call a claw hammer a claw-pein
hammer? Dixon wrote: "Cliff" wrote in message ... So what uses have you found for the ball end of a ball-peen (ball pein) hammer? -- Cliff I like to ask people that visit my shop to point the pein end out on a ball-pein hammer and watch 90% of them point ( incorrectly ) at the ball end. Dixon |
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"Jim Wilson" wrote in message . net... Dixon wrote... I like to ask people that visit my shop to point the pein end out on a ball-pein hammer and watch 90% of them point ( incorrectly ) at the ball end. Are you sure that's right? Webster could be wrong but says: pein Peen \Peen\, n. [Cf. G. pinne pane of a hammer.] (a) A round-edged, or hemispherical, end to the head of a hammer or sledge, used to stretch or bend metal by indentation. (b) The sharp-edged end of the head of a mason's hammer. [Spelt also pane, pein, and piend.] -- Jim I have seen hammers in tool catalogs that were called ball pein, followed by hammers that were called double ball ( they had a ball on each end ), then hammers called double pein, that had two flat ends. This is all I've got to go on, and could be wrong. Until a few years ago I always assumed the pein was the ball end. Dixon |
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"Cliff" wrote in message ... So what uses have you found for the ball end of a ball-peen (ball pein) hammer? -- Cliff One can close (slightly) the mouth of a reamed hole by placing the ball in the mouth of the hole, and whacking it with something. Obviously it's a *very* bad idea to hit two hammers with hardened heads together. I'd recommend a non-ferrous hammer/whacking device. I've done this when a punch is too loose in a punch holder or when a dowel hole is loose. Not the greatest solution as far as longevity goes, but in a pinch... Regards, Robin |
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I have seen hammers in tool catalogs that were called ball pein, followed by hammers that were called double ball ( they had a ball on each end ), then hammers called double pein, that had two flat ends. This is all I've got to go on, and could be wrong. Until a few years ago I always assumed the pein was the ball end. Dixon Peining is an old french word IIRc , ( dont hold me to it) the two ended double pein is popular with panel beaters as well as metal smiths, the ball pein is popular with people who create curved contours out of flat metal, IIRC peining is the action of working the malable metal into hand crafted shapes. |
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Because the claw isnt used for peening
Scott Henrichs wrote: If you are correct then why don't they call a claw hammer a claw-pein hammer? Dixon wrote: "Cliff" wrote in message ... So what uses have you found for the ball end of a ball-peen (ball pein) hammer? -- Cliff I like to ask people that visit my shop to point the pein end out on a ball-pein hammer and watch 90% of them point ( incorrectly ) at the ball end. Dixon |
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Proctologically Violated©® wrote:
Which would then make "ball-pein" redundant, no? ---------------------------- NO! There are also cross pein hammers and probably others. ...lew... |
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Dixon - I think there is a misunderstanding on your thought.
Check out : http://www.hammersource.com/Ball_Pei...edIgodnxJ4 Sg The ball pein is the rounded end that peins over stuff. The auto body CROSS Pein it more of a pincher - making creases in metal. Blacksmith Cross Pein - notice the cross means flat on the top - not verticle blade... click on the camera - ball and cross pein pin - hum. Now : http://www.hammersource.com/Blacksmi...4231916E193A21 the Swedish pattern - nice square face with beveled edges. Cross pein blade. So the hammer head end is not the pein - but the rounded and flat chisel blades are. Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH & Endowment Member NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder Dixon wrote: "Jim Wilson" wrote in message . net... Dixon wrote... I like to ask people that visit my shop to point the pein end out on a ball-pein hammer and watch 90% of them point ( incorrectly ) at the ball end. Are you sure that's right? Webster could be wrong but says: pein Peen \Peen\, n. [Cf. G. pinne pane of a hammer.] (a) A round-edged, or hemispherical, end to the head of a hammer or sledge, used to stretch or bend metal by indentation. (b) The sharp-edged end of the head of a mason's hammer. [Spelt also pane, pein, and piend.] -- Jim I have seen hammers in tool catalogs that were called ball pein, followed by hammers that were called double ball ( they had a ball on each end ), then hammers called double pein, that had two flat ends. This is all I've got to go on, and could be wrong. Until a few years ago I always assumed the pein was the ball end. Dixon ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Proctologically Violated©® wrote...
Which would then make "ball-pein" redundant, no? No, "ball" describes the shape of the pein. Jim |
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"Proctologically Violated©®" wrote in message ... Which would then make "ball-pein" redundant, no? No! Their are other shapes for the pein. Cross pein hammers come to mind. Steve R. ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "Jim Wilson" wrote in message . net... Dixon wrote... I like to ask people that visit my shop to point the pein end out on a ball-pein hammer and watch 90% of them point ( incorrectly ) at the ball end. Are you sure that's right? Webster could be wrong but says: pein Peen \Peen\, n. [Cf. G. pinne pane of a hammer.] (a) A round-edged, or hemispherical, end to the head of a hammer or sledge, used to stretch or bend metal by indentation. (b) The sharp-edged end of the head of a mason's hammer. [Spelt also pane, pein, and piend.] -- Jim |
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"Cliff" wrote in message ... So what uses have you found for the ball end of a ball-peen (ball pein) hammer? -- Cliff "Sinking" copper, and other soft metals. Riveting. Steve R. |
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Collecting debts.
---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "Steve R." wrote in message ... "Cliff" wrote in message ... So what uses have you found for the ball end of a ball-peen (ball pein) hammer? -- Cliff "Sinking" copper, and other soft metals. Riveting. Steve R. |
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:48:37 +0000 (UTC), "Burt Gummer"
wrote: Peining sheet metals like copper, bronze, brass etc its shape. Well, there are tooling hammers too ... -- Cliff |
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:11:45 -0500, "Dixon"
wrote: flat ends Are those really flat or do they have a slight radius? How about a claw hammer, like jb has? (Does he know which end is which?) -- Cliff |
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:14:33 -0500, "Robin S."
wrote: "Cliff" wrote in message .. . So what uses have you found for the ball end of a ball-peen (ball pein) hammer? -- Cliff One can close (slightly) the mouth of a reamed hole by placing the ball in the mouth of the hole, and whacking it with something. Obviously it's a *very* bad idea to hit two hammers with hardened heads together. I'd recommend a non-ferrous hammer/whacking device. Center-punched your layout a little bit off (it happens)? You can peen the punch-hole shut, perhaps file, and try again. -- Cliff |
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"Cliff" wrote in message ... Center-punched your layout a little bit off (it happens)? You can peen the punch-hole shut, perhaps file, and try again. Layout hole? The location of our dowel holes doesn't matter as we ream the blocks while they're in the shoe. The ball-pien/bearing technique is only used to adjust fit, not location... Regards, Robin |
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Robin S. wrote: "Cliff" wrote in message ... Center-punched your layout a little bit off (it happens)? You can peen the punch-hole shut, perhaps file, and try again. Layout hole? The location of our dowel holes doesn't matter as we ream the blocks while they're in the shoe. The ball-pien/bearing technique is only used to adjust fit, not location... Regards, Robin Have you ever tried using a socket larger than the pin to peen the surface around the hole? It works slicker than snot on aluminum. I would imagine an impact socket would work on steel. Just make sure the first time you try it the pin is already in the hole. Put the socket over the pin, center it nicely, and smack it with your hammer. Takes the slip right out of slip fit. Later, Charlie |
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On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:44:51 -0500, "Robin S."
wrote: "Cliff" wrote in message .. . Center-punched your layout a little bit off (it happens)? You can peen the punch-hole shut, perhaps file, and try again. Layout hole? The litte spot made in the laid-out stock created by a center punch. The location of our dowel holes doesn't matter as we ream the blocks while they're in the shoe. More problems .. "location dosn't matter -we fix it later". The ball-pien/bearing technique is only used to adjust fit, not location... "Don't trust anybody over 30." - Jack Weinberg (?) There are a lot of old far** hereabouts G. -- Cliff |
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Robin S. wrote:
Layout hole? The location of our dowel holes doesn't matter as we ream the blocks while they're in the shoe. The ball-pien/bearing technique is only used to adjust fit, not location... Regards, Robin Robin, Is this using a German ball pien hammer or a Canadian one? Best, Steve -- Regards, Steve Saling aka The Garlic Dude © Gilroy, CA The Garlic Capital of The World http://www.pulsareng.com/ |
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And also straight pein, which is like cross pein, but at right angles to it (i.e. in line with the hammer handle). Lew Hartswick wrote: Proctologically Violated©® wrote: Which would then make "ball-pein" redundant, no? ---------------------------- NO! There are also cross pein hammers and probably others. ...lew... jk |
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zadoc wrote:
Isn't a ball the same as a sphere? If so, how can it be attached to the hammer head? Shouldn't it be described as a hemispherical head hammer? :-) Nope, cause I can have a ball, going to a ball. But I won't have a sphere going to a sphere. :) jk |
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"Charlie Gary" wrote in message oups.com... Have you ever tried using a socket larger than the pin to peen the surface around the hole? It works slicker than snot on aluminum. I would imagine an impact socket would work on steel. Just make sure the first time you try it the pin is already in the hole. Put the socket over the pin, center it nicely, and smack it with your hammer. Takes the slip right out of slip fit. Charlie, Neat tip. I'll try it next time. Thanks. Regards, Robin |
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"Cliff" wrote in message ... The location of our dowel holes doesn't matter as we ream the blocks while they're in the shoe. More problems .. "location dosn't matter -we fix it later". Doesn't really need to be "fixed" as it isn't broken. The exact location of a dowel hole is not really important as long as one half matches the other. Obviously this is always the case as the two halves are made at the same time. There are issues like drilling into other features if you're not careful, but the engineering department has started to mark hole locations as opposed to letting the toolmaker decide. This doesn't do much for interchangability, but that's another kettle. Regards, Robin |
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goddamm--fukn hammers be complicated!
I think overall, the mason's hammer (which Webster's lists as a kind of pein) would be best for debt collection. That, or a lump hammer, aimed at the groin. :) ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "jk" wrote in message ... And also straight pein, which is like cross pein, but at right angles to it (i.e. in line with the hammer handle). Lew Hartswick wrote: Proctologically Violated©® wrote: Which would then make "ball-pein" redundant, no? ---------------------------- NO! There are also cross pein hammers and probably others. ...lew... jk |
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On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:55:58 -0500, "Robin S."
wrote: "Cliff" wrote in message .. . The location of our dowel holes doesn't matter as we ream the blocks while they're in the shoe. More problems .. "location dosn't matter -we fix it later". Doesn't really need to be "fixed" as it isn't broken. -A- The exact location of a dowel hole is not really important as long as one half matches the other. Obviously this is always the case as the two halves are made at the same time. There are issues like drilling into other features if you're not careful, but the engineering department has started to mark hole locations as opposed to letting the toolmaker decide. After how many years? This doesn't do much for interchangability, but that's another kettle. See -A- above. -- Cliff |
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