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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:58:54 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:30:57 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . ROFLMAO! So tell me Siggy old boy..why do I hold child molesters in such distain and dislike? Is it perhaps some emotional distress over losing a pet puppy to a dog catcher in my past life minus 2? If you treated child molesters the way you treat the left, people would rightly assume you are insane, incapable of telling a joke from a tragedy, or a real person from your fantasies. Blink, blink..try that again , a little slower.... You dehumanize them and make a joke of it. If you treated child molesters the same way you treat leftish political sympathizers -- as something less than serious human beings, the subject of dehumanizing jokes -- then you'd be making light of child molestation itself. Interesting psycho babble. Child molesters are Not Human, and Liberals only marginally so. You won't confront these serious political facts head-on. Instead of treating them seriously, you hide behind clever quips and nonsense, and strawmen built out of endless, miscellaneous insults, cut and pasted from out-of-context aphorisms and polemics. Everything is a caricature; nothing is real. Liberals, in your view, are too stupid for you to take seriously. Au Contraire. Liberals are indeed stupid, but then so are rabid pit bulls, runaway trains and incoming arty. All of which are to be feared. That's why I say, if you treated child molesters the way you treated liberals, the nuttiness of your posturing would be immediately clear. Even a brain-dead, knee-jerk political ideologue knows enough to recognize the bizarre irrationality of making jokes about child molestation. Do it consistently, across many issues, and eventually you become the joke yourself. You run out of people who are stupid enough to take you seriously anymore. Interesting psycho babble. Do work on your delivery and see if you can work in a bit more left handed english on the ball. Are you on the page now? Sure...like one of the sillier Katzenjammer Kids cartoons, you make about as much sense as Poppa mit der nose in der beer. Ed.... I LIKE baiting the Left. I enjoy demonizing and roasting and watching their skurvy carcasses twisting in the wind from a rotting rope. Its a charector flaw, perhaps..but what better target? Demonizing people who have different political views is indeed a flaw. The result of acting it out is that, eventually, no one takes seriously anything you say. So it was not ok to demonize the Soviets, or the Taliban? Or perhaps the Germans of 1944? The Ensatzgruppen were just a bunch of misunderstood hapless individuals. Correct? Mommar Kaddafie Duck is really a fine fellow? They're serious human beings, which is why they can be dangerous if you don't take them seriously. When you demonize them you make caricatures out of them -- jokes, cartoon characters, not to be worried about, because they're so dumb and hopeless. Dehumanizing a serious opponent is the last refuge of people who are filled with fear or who don't have a clue about what's really going on. Interesting interpretation. Fundamentally flawed..but hey..if it flips your dress up, go with it. Osama bin Laden, like Adolph Hitler, is neither dumb nor hopeless. When you treat them as such, you weaken your ability to deal with them. A responsible, thinking citizen doesn't let himself get caught in that self-weakening, delusional trap. Sigh...Ed..if Libs, like Osama were weak and helpless..they would be below my radar screen and not an issue. Overall, dehumanizing, demonizing, and dismissing your opponents is a big mistake. In a democratic state, it can be a lethal one. While you're standing there building your strawmen and fighting with them, you've taken yourself out of the real conflict; marginalized yourself; destroyed some of the best weapons you have. See above. Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. |
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 08:50:48 GMT, Abrasha wrote:
Gunner wrote: On 20 Dec 2003 07:11:30 -0800, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... the Germans of 1944? The Ensatzgruppen were just a bunch of misunderstood hapless individuals. Correct? Liberals = Nazis. OK, game set match to Ed. Jim Sorry..No mention of Nazis until your post. I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. You are soundly defeated. Now no tears Jim..take your drubbing like a man. So what would you call the "Germans of 1944", if not nazis? No mention of nazis indeed! You are a dangerous man Gunner. Thank God you have no real power. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com You of course do know that most Germans of 1944 were not National Socialists, do you not? Btw..Godwins Law. You lose. Dangerous man? Me? A tired old harmless lovable fuzzball? Moi? Simply because I hold most of what you believe in politically and socialy, in utter contempt makes me dangerous? Oddly enough..its you and your ilk that I find dangerous. Thank the Lord Budda that your powers are waning. Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. |
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In article , Gunner says...
You of course do know that most Germans of 1944 were not National Socialists, Not party members of course. But they were darn good at 'just following orders.' Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article , Gunner says...
Interesting psycho babble. Interesting psycho babble. Do work on your delivery ... Psyco-babble? I thought it was Public Speaking 101. Ed's comments about straw men are well taken here. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:59:43 GMT, Gunner brought forth from the murky depths: Quite true..which is one of the major reasons we now have conservative control of the congress and the Oval office. The Left kept sticking their hands deeper and deeper into the workers pockets. Uh, Gunner. Do you feel those conservative fingers deep in your pocket yet? The current administration is as bad or worse than any liberal we've had in recent history. $166B already for completely unnecessary wars? As a counterpoint, what was the cost in $ of the Viet Nam war? Pete. |
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:26:22 -0500, "Peter Reilley"
wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:59:43 GMT, Gunner brought forth from the murky depths: Quite true..which is one of the major reasons we now have conservative control of the congress and the Oval office. The Left kept sticking their hands deeper and deeper into the workers pockets. Uh, Gunner. Do you feel those conservative fingers deep in your pocket yet? The current administration is as bad or worse than any liberal we've had in recent history. $166B already for completely unnecessary wars? As a counterpoint, what was the cost in $ of the Viet Nam war? Make that the cost per year. It got pretty expensive under Johnson, and stayed expensive under Nixon. During the Kennedy years, it was cheap. Al Moore |
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:24:36 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:58:54 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:30:57 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . ROFLMAO! So tell me Siggy old boy..why do I hold child molesters in such distain and dislike? Is it perhaps some emotional distress over losing a pet puppy to a dog catcher in my past life minus 2? If you treated child molesters the way you treat the left, people would rightly assume you are insane, incapable of telling a joke from a tragedy, or a real person from your fantasies. Blink, blink..try that again , a little slower.... You dehumanize them and make a joke of it. If you treated child molesters the same way you treat leftish political sympathizers -- as something less than serious human beings, the subject of dehumanizing jokes -- then you'd be making light of child molestation itself. Interesting psycho babble. Child molesters are Not Human, and Liberals only marginally so. Thank you for the perfect illustration of Ed Huntress' point. snip Al Moore |
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Gunner wrote:
On 20 Dec 2003 07:11:30 -0800, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... the Germans of 1944? The Ensatzgruppen were just a bunch of misunderstood hapless individuals. Correct? Liberals = Nazis. OK, game set match to Ed. Jim Sorry..No mention of Nazis until your post. I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. You are soundly defeated. Now no tears Jim..take your drubbing like a man. I was wondering which trout would rise to the fly....EG Gunner Instead of posting a load of unadulterated tripe as is your norm, you might find time to actually pick up a book and ascertain the odd fact like the "ensatzgruppen" (sic) were recruited from the RSHA & the SS where membership of the "Nazi" Party was mandatory.. Tom |
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On 21 Dec 2003 06:32:20 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... You of course do know that most Germans of 1944 were not National Socialists, Not party members of course. But they were darn good at 'just following orders.' Jim Quite true..but Words do indeed mean something. If they were not party members..they were not National Socialists. Unless I was a Democrat during Clintions tenure....chuckle Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. |
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On 21 Dec 2003 06:54:12 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... Interesting psycho babble. Interesting psycho babble. Do work on your delivery ... Psyco-babble? I thought it was Public Speaking 101. Ed's comments about straw men are well taken here. Jim Your ignorance at times..is awe inspiring. Shrug Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. |
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:09:48 GMT, Alan Moore
wrote: Interesting psycho babble. Child molesters are Not Human, and Liberals only marginally so. Thank you for the perfect illustration of Ed Huntress' point. snip Al Moore Thank you for the shining example of Human Secularism at its worst. Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. |
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In article , Gunner says...
Your ignorance at times..is awe inspiring. You have company in the opinion. Mr. Ross St. James has re-appeared on the ng. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Peter Reilley wrote: As a counterpoint, what was the cost in $ of the Viet Nam war? A balanced National Budget in '68. -- Mark N.E. Ohio Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens, A.K.A. Mark Twain) When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the suspense. (Gaz, r.moto) |
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:16:52 +1300, Tom wrote:
Gunner wrote: On 20 Dec 2003 07:11:30 -0800, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... the Germans of 1944? The Ensatzgruppen were just a bunch of misunderstood hapless individuals. Correct? Liberals = Nazis. OK, game set match to Ed. Jim Sorry..No mention of Nazis until your post. I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. You are soundly defeated. Now no tears Jim..take your drubbing like a man. I was wondering which trout would rise to the fly....EG Gunner Instead of posting a load of unadulterated tripe as is your norm, you might find time to actually pick up a book and ascertain the odd fact like the "ensatzgruppen" (sic) were recruited from the RSHA & the SS where membership of the "Nazi" Party was mandatory.. Tom Of course they were. Both from the leftovers from Ernst Rhoem and from the supreme machinations of Theodor Eicke, early on vetted by Himmler and Heydrich. Kripo, Sipo, Sonderkommandos the lot. Interesting bunch for animals. But then..according to Ed..they were not animals, but poor misunderstood humans. "Notably, the Einsatzgruppen included many high-ranking officers, intellectuals and lawyers. Otto Ohlendorf, who commanded Einsatzgruppe D, had earned degrees from three universities and achieved a doctorate in jurisprudence. One of the commanders of Einsatzgruppe C, Ernst Biberstein, was a Protestant pastor, theologian and church official." The fact still stands feckwit..I didnt use the short term for National Socialist. Sometimes a cigar is simply a cigar. Deal with it. Baaatw..hows the Missus? Having Baaaaalmy weather this year? Godwin's Law Godwin's Law prov. [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful. Snicker.... Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. |
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Make that the cost per year. It got pretty expensive under Johnson,
and stayed expensive under Nixon. During the Kennedy years, it was cheap. Al Moore Well let's see, some weeks and a bunch of months killed as many Americans as the entire Iraq campaign have IIRC, Oh you're talking cash :o). Greg Sefton |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:58:54 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: You won't confront these serious political facts head-on. Instead of treating them seriously, you hide behind clever quips and nonsense, and strawmen built out of endless, miscellaneous insults, cut and pasted from out-of-context aphorisms and polemics. Everything is a caricature; nothing is real. Liberals, in your view, are too stupid for you to take seriously. Au Contraire. Liberals are indeed stupid, but then so are rabid pit bulls, runaway trains and incoming arty. All of which are to be feared. You're a deer in the headlights waiting to happen, Gunner. -- Ed Huntress (remove "3" from email address for email reply) |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:58:54 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: You won't confront these serious political facts head-on. Instead of treating them seriously, you hide behind clever quips and nonsense, and strawmen built out of endless, miscellaneous insults, cut and pasted from out-of-context aphorisms and polemics. Everything is a caricature; nothing is real. Liberals, in your view, are too stupid for you to take seriously. Au Contraire. Liberals are indeed stupid, but then so are rabid pit bulls, runaway trains and incoming arty. All of which are to be feared. You're a deer in the headlights waiting to happen, Gunner. Already happened, for all practical purposes:-) |
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:25:51 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:58:54 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: You won't confront these serious political facts head-on. Instead of treating them seriously, you hide behind clever quips and nonsense, and strawmen built out of endless, miscellaneous insults, cut and pasted from out-of-context aphorisms and polemics. Everything is a caricature; nothing is real. Liberals, in your view, are too stupid for you to take seriously. Au Contraire. Liberals are indeed stupid, but then so are rabid pit bulls, runaway trains and incoming arty. All of which are to be feared. You're a deer in the headlights waiting to happen, Gunner. Not that it matters but do you suppose that he means stupid as lack of intelligence or stupid as lack of smarts? Given his comparisons I suppose he means lack of smarts. My kids aren't always smart (but getting smarter as they get older G) but they are definitely intelligent. 3 out 4 are liberals. The smartest (but not most intelligent) of them is the most liberal. I love 'em all and don't care about their politics. Too bad he can't judge people on something other than political leanings. There are things sooo much more important. Sue |
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Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:16:52 +1300, Tom wrote: Gunner wrote: On 20 Dec 2003 07:11:30 -0800, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... the Germans of 1944? The Ensatzgruppen were just a bunch of misunderstood hapless individuals. Correct? Liberals = Nazis. OK, game set match to Ed. Jim Sorry..No mention of Nazis until your post. I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. You are soundly defeated. Now no tears Jim..take your drubbing like a man. I was wondering which trout would rise to the fly....EG Gunner Instead of posting a load of unadulterated tripe as is your norm, you might find time to actually pick up a book and ascertain the odd fact like the "ensatzgruppen" (sic) were recruited from the RSHA & the SS where membership of the "Nazi" Party was mandatory.. Tom Of course they were. Both from the leftovers from Ernst Rhoem and from the supreme machinations of Theodor Eicke, early on vetted by Himmler and Heydrich. Kripo, Sipo, Sonderkommandos the lot. Interesting bunch for animals. But then..according to Ed..they were not animals, but poor misunderstood humans. "Notably, the Einsatzgruppen included many high-ranking officers, intellectuals and lawyers. Otto Ohlendorf, who commanded Einsatzgruppe D, had earned degrees from three universities and achieved a doctorate in jurisprudence. One of the commanders of Einsatzgruppe C, Ernst Biberstein, was a Protestant pastor, theologian and church official." The fact still stands feckwit..I didnt use the short term for National Socialist. Sometimes a cigar is simply a cigar. Deal with it. ................. Gunner I suppose I should expected a petty little word game..... At least by copying and pasting you at last managed to get the correct spelling! Of course with you, copy & paste is a reflex action, not requiring any thought process, something that is an anathema to you.. Tom |
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:25:51 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:58:54 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: You won't confront these serious political facts head-on. Instead of treating them seriously, you hide behind clever quips and nonsense, and strawmen built out of endless, miscellaneous insults, cut and pasted from out-of-context aphorisms and polemics. Everything is a caricature; nothing is real. Liberals, in your view, are too stupid for you to take seriously. Au Contraire. Liberals are indeed stupid, but then so are rabid pit bulls, runaway trains and incoming arty. All of which are to be feared. You're a deer in the headlights waiting to happen, Gunner. Opinions are like...you know the rest... Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. |
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:01:24 GMT, Sue wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:25:51 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:58:54 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: You won't confront these serious political facts head-on. Instead of treating them seriously, you hide behind clever quips and nonsense, and strawmen built out of endless, miscellaneous insults, cut and pasted from out-of-context aphorisms and polemics. Everything is a caricature; nothing is real. Liberals, in your view, are too stupid for you to take seriously. Au Contraire. Liberals are indeed stupid, but then so are rabid pit bulls, runaway trains and incoming arty. All of which are to be feared. You're a deer in the headlights waiting to happen, Gunner. Not that it matters but do you suppose that he means stupid as lack of intelligence or stupid as lack of smarts? Given his comparisons I suppose he means lack of smarts. My kids aren't always smart (but getting smarter as they get older G) but they are definitely intelligent. 3 out 4 are liberals. The smartest (but not most intelligent) of them is the most liberal. I love 'em all and don't care about their politics. Too bad he can't judge people on something other than political leanings. There are things sooo much more important. Sue I refer to Politically, not lack of intelligence, or lack of smarts...though a good many of the Liberals I know have so little practical common sense that they couldnt pour **** out of a boot, even if it had instructions printed on the heel. Afterall..what other group do you know, that thinks you can tax a country into prosperity? Or you should steal from the hard working, give to the lazy and expect the lazy to rise and be productive? I could give further examples..... Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:57:52 +1300, Tom wrote:
Gunner wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:16:52 +1300, Tom wrote: Gunner wrote: On 20 Dec 2003 07:11:30 -0800, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... the Germans of 1944? The Ensatzgruppen were just a bunch of misunderstood hapless individuals. Correct? Liberals = Nazis. OK, game set match to Ed. Jim Sorry..No mention of Nazis until your post. I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. You are soundly defeated. Now no tears Jim..take your drubbing like a man. I was wondering which trout would rise to the fly....EG Gunner Instead of posting a load of unadulterated tripe as is your norm, you might find time to actually pick up a book and ascertain the odd fact like the "ensatzgruppen" (sic) were recruited from the RSHA & the SS where membership of the "Nazi" Party was mandatory.. Tom Of course they were. Both from the leftovers from Ernst Rhoem and from the supreme machinations of Theodor Eicke, early on vetted by Himmler and Heydrich. Kripo, Sipo, Sonderkommandos the lot. Interesting bunch for animals. But then..according to Ed..they were not animals, but poor misunderstood humans. "Notably, the Einsatzgruppen included many high-ranking officers, intellectuals and lawyers. Otto Ohlendorf, who commanded Einsatzgruppe D, had earned degrees from three universities and achieved a doctorate in jurisprudence. One of the commanders of Einsatzgruppe C, Ernst Biberstein, was a Protestant pastor, theologian and church official." The fact still stands feckwit..I didnt use the short term for National Socialist. Sometimes a cigar is simply a cigar. Deal with it. ................. Gunner I suppose I should expected a petty little word game..... At least by copying and pasting you at last managed to get the correct spelling! Of course with you, copy & paste is a reflex action, not requiring any thought process, something that is an anathema to you.. Tom Chuckle..when unable to refute or when out of resources..the petty always resorts to petty personal attacks. Snicker Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. |
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In article , Gunner says...
I refer to Politically, not lack of intelligence, or lack of smarts...though a good many of the Liberals I know have so little practical common sense that they couldnt pour **** out of a boot, even if it had instructions printed on the heel. Hmm. So you are basing your comments about liberals lacking common sense on what - your own personal experience of the individuals you know? If that's the only feeling on the matter required, then my cross-section of individuals is equally valid - and 'proves' the exact opposite of your feelings. :) Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:57:52 +1300, Tom wrote: Gunner wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:16:52 +1300, Tom wrote: Gunner wrote: On 20 Dec 2003 07:11:30 -0800, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... the Germans of 1944? The Ensatzgruppen were just a bunch of misunderstood hapless individuals. Correct? Liberals = Nazis. OK, game set match to Ed. Jim Sorry..No mention of Nazis until your post. I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. You are soundly defeated. Now no tears Jim..take your drubbing like a man. I was wondering which trout would rise to the fly....EG Gunner Instead of posting a load of unadulterated tripe as is your norm, you might find time to actually pick up a book and ascertain the odd fact like the "ensatzgruppen" (sic) were recruited from the RSHA & the SS where membership of the "Nazi" Party was mandatory.. Tom Of course they were. Both from the leftovers from Ernst Rhoem and from the supreme machinations of Theodor Eicke, early on vetted by Himmler and Heydrich. Kripo, Sipo, Sonderkommandos the lot. Interesting bunch for animals. But then..according to Ed..they were not animals, but poor misunderstood humans. "Notably, the Einsatzgruppen included many high-ranking officers, intellectuals and lawyers. Otto Ohlendorf, who commanded Einsatzgruppe D, had earned degrees from three universities and achieved a doctorate in jurisprudence. One of the commanders of Einsatzgruppe C, Ernst Biberstein, was a Protestant pastor, theologian and church official." The fact still stands feckwit..I didnt use the short term for National Socialist. Sometimes a cigar is simply a cigar. Deal with it. ................. Gunner I suppose I should expected a petty little word game..... At least by copying and pasting you at last managed to get the correct spelling! Of course with you, copy & paste is a reflex action, not requiring any thought process, something that is an anathema to you.. Tom Chuckle..when unable to refute or when out of resources..the petty always resorts to petty personal attacks. Snicker Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. Describes your attitude to a T! Tom |
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On 22 Dec 2003 13:17:55 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... I refer to Politically, not lack of intelligence, or lack of smarts...though a good many of the Liberals I know have so little practical common sense that they couldnt pour **** out of a boot, even if it had instructions printed on the heel. Hmm. So you are basing your comments about liberals lacking common sense on what - your own personal experience of the individuals you know? No..I base it on the laws and regulations they try to pass, or have passed, Political Correctness, the various planks and platforms they try to get elected on, and what they do when they do get elected. I base it on their taxes, their educational system and their agendas. If that's the only feeling on the matter required, then my cross-section of individuals is equally valid - and 'proves' the exact opposite of your feelings. :) Jim See above. Gunner ================================================= = please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================= = 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:19:42 +1300, Tom wrote:
Gunner wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:57:52 +1300, Tom wrote: Gunner wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:16:52 +1300, Tom wrote: Gunner wrote: On 20 Dec 2003 07:11:30 -0800, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... the Germans of 1944? The Ensatzgruppen were just a bunch of misunderstood hapless individuals. Correct? Liberals = Nazis. OK, game set match to Ed. Jim Sorry..No mention of Nazis until your post. I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. You are soundly defeated. Now no tears Jim..take your drubbing like a man. I was wondering which trout would rise to the fly....EG Gunner Instead of posting a load of unadulterated tripe as is your norm, you might find time to actually pick up a book and ascertain the odd fact like the "ensatzgruppen" (sic) were recruited from the RSHA & the SS where membership of the "Nazi" Party was mandatory.. Tom Of course they were. Both from the leftovers from Ernst Rhoem and from the supreme machinations of Theodor Eicke, early on vetted by Himmler and Heydrich. Kripo, Sipo, Sonderkommandos the lot. Interesting bunch for animals. But then..according to Ed..they were not animals, but poor misunderstood humans. "Notably, the Einsatzgruppen included many high-ranking officers, intellectuals and lawyers. Otto Ohlendorf, who commanded Einsatzgruppe D, had earned degrees from three universities and achieved a doctorate in jurisprudence. One of the commanders of Einsatzgruppe C, Ernst Biberstein, was a Protestant pastor, theologian and church official." The fact still stands feckwit..I didnt use the short term for National Socialist. Sometimes a cigar is simply a cigar. Deal with it. ................. Gunner I suppose I should expected a petty little word game..... At least by copying and pasting you at last managed to get the correct spelling! Of course with you, copy & paste is a reflex action, not requiring any thought process, something that is an anathema to you.. Tom Chuckle..when unable to refute or when out of resources..the petty always resorts to petty personal attacks. Snicker Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. Describes your attitude to a T! Tom Denial Tom..is not a river in Egypt, nor is a virtue. One should note by now..that I never attack the poster, unless he personally attacks me first. Koz and I can carry on a right civil discussion on any given subject, no matter how wrong he is G simply because he will not stoop to such balderdash, and hence...he never gets his knickers flamed. Btw...Ive ID'd the vise..it appears to be a pipe vise, with the pipe holding jaws removed. The two screws I couldnt figure out the purpose of, appear to have been to hold the pipe jaws in place. Many thanks for the pictures from the catalog. Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:09:17 GMT, Alan Moore
wrote: On 22 Dec 2003 15:38:49 GMT, (Bray Haven) wrote: Make that the cost per year. It got pretty expensive under Johnson, and stayed expensive under Nixon. During the Kennedy years, it was cheap. Al Moore Well let's see, some weeks and a bunch of months killed as many Americans as the entire Iraq campaign have IIRC, Oh you're talking cash :o). I don't recall any very high casualty rates until after Johnson got in, but I am relying on my recollection, and it's been a few years... Al Moore Lyndon (The Butcher) Johnson killed more American lads simply because of his ego, than is pleasant to contemplate. And of course he enslaved at least two generations of Americans. Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. |
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In article , Gunner says...
Denial Tom..is not a river in Egypt, Cry me a river, build me a bridge. And get *over* it. I thought you were over that one a while ago. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 22 Dec 2003 20:10:22 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... Denial Tom..is not a river in Egypt, Cry me a river, build me a bridge. And get *over* it. I thought you were over that one a while ago. Jim A truism is timeless. Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. |
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It is interesting that you omitted a few of McCarthy's Democrat
supporters, John F Kennedy and Robert Kennedy. The year of the censure vote JFK spoke in support of McCarthy in Cambridge. Another speaker had remarked that unlike the law school , Harvard College could be proud of never having produced either an Alger Hiss or a Joseph McCarthy. Kennedy responded "How dare you couple the name of a great American Patriot with a traitor". (Note to anyone tempted by a creative parsing of the sentence: while this was before the Venona intercepts were generally available and removed all possibility of doubt, it was also before the many futile attempts to rehabilitate Alger Hiss.) By the time of the censure vote, attacking McCarthy had become a surrogate for attacking the Republican party for Democrats and therefore a test of party unity. JFK still avoided the censure vote by scheduling long deferred surgery for the week of the vote (he would have angered too many Democrats with a vote against the censure yet he felt honor bound to not vote for censure). Robert Kennedy worked for McCarthy on the committee staff in this period and thought enough of the man to ask McCarthy to be the godfather to Kathleen Kennedy (Townsend). Kathleen was born July 4 1951 seventeen months after McCarthy's Wheeling WV speech. (Interesting how far left the family moved since the early 1950's.) Ed Dale Scroggins wrote: Gunner wrote: Quite true. Now please point out the folks from the other side of the asle whom were ferreting out the communists? Gunner John L. McClellan, Henry M. Jackson, Stuart Symington. They took a little break from the subcommittee from July 10, 1953 to January 25, 1954. Read up on these guys before you start slapping labels on them, Gunner. Dale Scroggins |
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"Edward Dekker" wrote in message
... Robert Kennedy worked for McCarthy on the committee staff in this period and thought enough of the man to ask McCarthy to be the godfather to Kathleen Kennedy (Townsend). Kathleen was born July 4 1951 seventeen months after McCarthy's Wheeling WV speech. (Interesting how far left the family moved since the early 1950's.) Ed They didn't move "left," Ed. The family was always staunchly anti-communist. So were almost all Democrats. Ed Huntress |
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A truism is timeless. But, boring old stuff is still boring old stuff. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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says... They didn't move "left," Ed. The family was always staunchly anti-communist. So were almost all Democrats. Don't tell this to gunner. You might shatter his feelings about how he thought democrats behaved. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 23 Dec 2003 06:34:28 -0800, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... A truism is timeless. But, boring old stuff is still boring old stuff. Jim Ill bet you have lots of fun with math...... Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:19:32 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Edward Dekker" wrote in message .. . Robert Kennedy worked for McCarthy on the committee staff in this period and thought enough of the man to ask McCarthy to be the godfather to Kathleen Kennedy (Townsend). Kathleen was born July 4 1951 seventeen months after McCarthy's Wheeling WV speech. (Interesting how far left the family moved since the early 1950's.) Ed They didn't move "left," Ed. The family was always staunchly anti-communist. So were almost all Democrats. Ed Huntress Socialist however........ Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:19:32 GMT, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Edward Dekker" wrote in message .. . Robert Kennedy worked for McCarthy on the committee staff in this period and thought enough of the man to ask McCarthy to be the godfather to Kathleen Kennedy (Townsend). Kathleen was born July 4 1951 seventeen months after McCarthy's Wheeling WV speech. (Interesting how far left the family moved since the early 1950's.) Ed They didn't move "left," Ed. The family was always staunchly anti-communist. So were almost all Democrats. Ed Huntress Socialist however........ Gunner Cites? Maybe it's time you looked up "socialism" again to refresh your memory about what it means. Ed Huntress |
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In article , Gunner says...
Ill bet you have lots of fun with math...... Often math is taught in a repetitive, pedantic fashion. Boring as hell. That's too bad because the discipline is amazingly interesting if done right. I consider myself lucky that I learned arithmatic eventually, the schooling was so bad. Really I learned it by running machinery, and doing bowling score sheets! The real fun started when I learned calculus. The key here is to keep the topic moving, to not perform endless repitition of the same material after the listener has grasped the point. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:29:20 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: They didn't move "left," Ed. The family was always staunchly anti-communist. So were almost all Democrats. Ed Huntress Socialist however........ Gunner Cites? Maybe it's time you looked up "socialism" again to refresh your memory about what it means. Ed Huntress Socialism can refer to a political doctrine, an economic theory, a vision of an ideal society, or a description of an actually existing society. In its broadest sense, socialism is a belief that human society can and should be organised along social lines - that is, for the benefit of all, rather than for the profit of a few, which it argued had been the case hitherto. Its key ideas are opposition to capitalism , and a belief in equality, both political and economic. The socialist view of social organisation is well encapsulated in the following saying (attributed to Marx ): From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Democratic socialism is a political movement propagating the political ideals of Socialism in a democratic state , or in other words: anti- Authoritarian Communism . Most democratic socialists typically advocate a mixed economy with generous welfare provision, and re-distribution of wealth. People or groups who describe themselves as democratic socialists, are generally further to the left and more radical than the more moderate social democrats. http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/socialism Horowitz on King Teddy the K: http://www.nationalreview.com/conven...y081600a.shtml "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened." (Norman Thomas, 1936 presidential candidate on the Socialist ticket) Gunner 'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'" Steven Levitt, UOC prof. |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote:
"Edward Dekker" wrote in message .. . Robert Kennedy worked for McCarthy on the committee staff in this period and thought enough of the man to ask McCarthy to be the godfather to Kathleen Kennedy (Townsend). Kathleen was born July 4 1951 seventeen months after McCarthy's Wheeling WV speech. (Interesting how far left the family moved since the early 1950's.) Ed They didn't move "left," Ed. The family was always staunchly anti-communist. So were almost all Democrats. There is little doubt that Ted Kennedy and the younger generation of the Kennedy family are far left. (I will post justification for this statement if necessary but it should be obvious.) Lets look at the Kennedy positions (of RFK and JFK) in the 1950's and 1960's and compare them to the Democrat and Republican alternatives in the 60's. Lets look at JFK's policies: As a member of the house he criticized the State department for attempting to force Chiang Kai-shek into a coalition with Mao. "What our young men had saved, our diplomats and our President have frittered away." ( Jan. 25, 1949) In the Senate he supported free trade. In 1954 he was the only New England senator to vote for the extension of Eisenhower's ability to negotiate reciprocal-trade agreements. His "A rising tide lifts all boats" economic policy was close to what would later be called 'Supply side' (or voodoo economics) He proposed and worked to pass a massive tax cut slashing the top marginal rate from 91% to 70% In his election campaign he promised a buildup in defense spending (recall the Missile gap theme of his campaign) though he failed to deliver this in office Created no major new federal agencies When JFK was running for President in the Democrat primaries he ran to the right of his two major opponents Humphrey and Johnson. RFK: Worked for McCarthy As Attorney General had a strong law and order at any cost policy demanding surveillance and wiretapping in the investigation of domestic threats (Communist sympathizers ) and the civil rights leaders as well as the Mafia. The surveillance was far beyond anything Ashcroft has proposed After JFK's assassination RFK demanded that LBJ name him as ambassador to South Vietnam so he could win the war (Johnson refused and RFK became increasingly opposed to the Vietnam war). Compare him to Richard Nixon a politician perceived by history to be 'Conservative' (but in reality left of center). Nixon as president governed far to the left of Kennedy as president. Yet Nixon was in the center of the Republican party of the 1960's. The Republican left consisted of Rockefeller and Romney. The Republican Right included Goldwater and Taft (with Taft far more isolationist). Nixon: Enacted wage and price controls, Established diplomatic relations with China (downgrading relations with Taiwan), Ended production of the Minuteman missile with fewer than planned built, Signed the ABM treaty with the Soviet Union Raised taxes (he extended the 10% surtax, increased capital gains rates, and repealed the investment tax credit) Implemented the Philadelphia plan (federally mandated racial quotas). It is worth noting that the Johnson administration considered a program similar to the Philadelphia plan and rejected it as too radical. Signed the law eliminating Presidential Impoundment (a line item veto) used by every President since Washington Indexed federal benefits to inflation (creating automatic spending increases) Created the EPA, the OSHA, the CPSC, the OEO Looking at some numbers under Kennedy Domestic spending rose at 8.5% per year, under Nixon Domestic spending rose at 9.3% per year. Under Kennedy defense spending rose 0.4% per year and under Nixon defense spending dropped 6.9% per year. While these lists are in some ways artificial, I am picking and choosing policies and positions to mention, it is clear that these are important issues and policies which set a tone for an administration (or his early career in the case of RFK) When the records of Nixon and JFK are taken as a whole we see that JFK was clearly the more conservative, a centerist of his time. Ted Kennedy and the younger generation of the Kennedy family are in no way centrist, they are hard left. JFK and RFK were centerist with some conservative tendencies. This is the movement left in the Kennedy family I was referring to in my previous message. |
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