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This was sent to me today by a friend - it may help save the live of someone you love... I think I sent it out before, but I'm sending it again just in case I didn't (& it doesn't hurt to be reminded of the steps again). Dear Friends- My parents had dinner this summer with a dear friend. During the BBQ their friend stumbled and took a little fall - she assured everyone that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) and just tripped over a brick because of her new shoes. They got her cleaned up and got her a new plate of food - while she appeared a bit shaken up, Ingrid went about enjoying herself the rest of the evening. At 3:00 am my mother received a call from Ingrid's husband telling her that his wife had been taken to the hospital - at 6:00 pm Ingrid passed away. She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ - had they known how to identify the signs of a stroke perhaps Ingrid would be with us today. It only takes a minute to read this- --- A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within 3 hours he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally. He said the trick was getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed and getting to the patient within 3 hours, which is tough. RECOGNIZING A STROKE Thank God for the sense to remember the "3" steps. Read and Learn! Sometimes symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify. Unfortunately, the lack of awareness spells disaster. The stroke victim may suffer brain damage when people nearby fail to recognize the symptoms of a stroke. Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three simple questions: 1. *Ask the individual to SMILE. 2. *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS. 3. *Ask the person to SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently) (i.e. . . It is sunny out today) If he or she has trouble with any of these tasks, call 9-1-1 immediately and describe the symptoms to the dispatcher. After discovering that a group of non-medical volunteers could identify facial weakness, arm weakness and speech problems, researchers urged the general public to learn the three questions. They presented their conclusions at the American Stroke Association's annual meeting last February. Widespread use of this test could result in prompt diagnosis and treatment of the stroke and prevent brain damage. BE A FRIEND AND SHARE THIS ARTICLE WITH AS MANY FRIENDS AS POSSIBLE, you could save their lives or the lives of people they care about. ] #3 usually poses a probelm for wingers anyway .... remember that bush character? |
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After my mom recovered from one - she called me to say she was ok after all -
(out of town and our first indication !) She said the doctor asked her all of the addresses she lived at since she got married - (more than I could say street numbers...) kids names and birthdays, ..... the list was so extensive that I wonder if the Dr. could. He must have been testing a wide range of mental abilities. So be prepared! Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder Cliff wrote: [ This was sent to me today by a friend - it may help save the live of someone you love... I think I sent it out before, but I'm sending it again just in case I didn't (& it doesn't hurt to be reminded of the steps again). Dear Friends- My parents had dinner this summer with a dear friend. During the BBQ their friend stumbled and took a little fall - she assured everyone that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) and just tripped over a brick because of her new shoes. They got her cleaned up and got her a new plate of food - while she appeared a bit shaken up, Ingrid went about enjoying herself the rest of the evening. At 3:00 am my mother received a call from Ingrid's husband telling her that his wife had been taken to the hospital - at 6:00 pm Ingrid passed away. She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ - had they known how to identify the signs of a stroke perhaps Ingrid would be with us today. It only takes a minute to read this- --- A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within 3 hours he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally. He said the trick was getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed and getting to the patient within 3 hours, which is tough. RECOGNIZING A STROKE Thank God for the sense to remember the "3" steps. Read and Learn! Sometimes symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify. Unfortunately, the lack of awareness spells disaster. The stroke victim may suffer brain damage when people nearby fail to recognize the symptoms of a stroke. Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three simple questions: 1. *Ask the individual to SMILE. 2. *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS. 3. *Ask the person to SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently) (i.e. . . It is sunny out today) If he or she has trouble with any of these tasks, call 9-1-1 immediately and describe the symptoms to the dispatcher. After discovering that a group of non-medical volunteers could identify facial weakness, arm weakness and speech problems, researchers urged the general public to learn the three questions. They presented their conclusions at the American Stroke Association's annual meeting last February. Widespread use of this test could result in prompt diagnosis and treatment of the stroke and prevent brain damage. BE A FRIEND AND SHARE THIS ARTICLE WITH AS MANY FRIENDS AS POSSIBLE, you could save their lives or the lives of people they care about. ] #3 usually poses a probelm for wingers anyway .... remember that bush character? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:15:17 -0600, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote: After my mom recovered from one - she called me to say she was ok after all - (out of town and our first indication !) She said the doctor asked her all of the addresses she lived at since she got married - (more than I could say street numbers...) kids names and birthdays, .... the list was so extensive that I wonder if the Dr. could. He must have been testing a wide range of mental abilities. So be prepared! So, you want me to prepare for a post stroke questionnaire, designed to asses my remaining mental capacity after some portion of my brain has been killed? You are truly a candidate for "Troll of the Year". My commendation. Strider Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder Cliff wrote: [ This was sent to me today by a friend - it may help save the live of someone you love... I think I sent it out before, but I'm sending it again just in case I didn't (& it doesn't hurt to be reminded of the steps again). Dear Friends- My parents had dinner this summer with a dear friend. During the BBQ their friend stumbled and took a little fall - she assured everyone that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) and just tripped over a brick because of her new shoes. They got her cleaned up and got her a new plate of food - while she appeared a bit shaken up, Ingrid went about enjoying herself the rest of the evening. At 3:00 am my mother received a call from Ingrid's husband telling her that his wife had been taken to the hospital - at 6:00 pm Ingrid passed away. She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ - had they known how to identify the signs of a stroke perhaps Ingrid would be with us today. It only takes a minute to read this- --- A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within 3 hours he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally. He said the trick was getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed and getting to the patient within 3 hours, which is tough. RECOGNIZING A STROKE Thank God for the sense to remember the "3" steps. Read and Learn! Sometimes symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify. Unfortunately, the lack of awareness spells disaster. The stroke victim may suffer brain damage when people nearby fail to recognize the symptoms of a stroke. Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three simple questions: 1. *Ask the individual to SMILE. 2. *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS. 3. *Ask the person to SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently) (i.e. . . It is sunny out today) If he or she has trouble with any of these tasks, call 9-1-1 immediately and describe the symptoms to the dispatcher. After discovering that a group of non-medical volunteers could identify facial weakness, arm weakness and speech problems, researchers urged the general public to learn the three questions. They presented their conclusions at the American Stroke Association's annual meeting last February. Widespread use of this test could result in prompt diagnosis and treatment of the stroke and prevent brain damage. BE A FRIEND AND SHARE THIS ARTICLE WITH AS MANY FRIENDS AS POSSIBLE, you could save their lives or the lives of people they care about. ] #3 usually poses a probelm for wingers anyway .... remember that bush character? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:28:49 -0500, Strider wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:15:17 -0600, "Martin H. Eastburn" wrote: After my mom recovered from one - she called me to say she was ok after all - (out of town and our first indication !) She said the doctor asked her all of the addresses she lived at since she got married - (more than I could say street numbers...) kids names and birthdays, .... the list was so extensive that I wonder if the Dr. could. He must have been testing a wide range of mental abilities. So be prepared! So, you want me to prepare for a post stroke questionnaire, designed to asses my remaining mental capacity after some portion of my brain has been killed? You are truly a candidate for "Troll of the Year". My commendation. Strider The thing is, Strider..if you get to medical care in those 3 hours...damned little of the brain can be damaged. My neighbor is a prime example. His wife suspected a stroke...got him in..big clot...and he is better today than he was before the stroke. They found some arterial blockage..including one in his neck which was the one that busted off a chunk and got into his brain. They did their magic..and he is just hunky dorey Gunner Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder Cliff wrote: [ This was sent to me today by a friend - it may help save the live of someone you love... I think I sent it out before, but I'm sending it again just in case I didn't (& it doesn't hurt to be reminded of the steps again). Dear Friends- My parents had dinner this summer with a dear friend. During the BBQ their friend stumbled and took a little fall - she assured everyone that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) and just tripped over a brick because of her new shoes. They got her cleaned up and got her a new plate of food - while she appeared a bit shaken up, Ingrid went about enjoying herself the rest of the evening. At 3:00 am my mother received a call from Ingrid's husband telling her that his wife had been taken to the hospital - at 6:00 pm Ingrid passed away. She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ - had they known how to identify the signs of a stroke perhaps Ingrid would be with us today. It only takes a minute to read this- --- A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within 3 hours he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally. He said the trick was getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed and getting to the patient within 3 hours, which is tough. RECOGNIZING A STROKE Thank God for the sense to remember the "3" steps. Read and Learn! Sometimes symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify. Unfortunately, the lack of awareness spells disaster. The stroke victim may suffer brain damage when people nearby fail to recognize the symptoms of a stroke. Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three simple questions: 1. *Ask the individual to SMILE. 2. *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS. 3. *Ask the person to SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently) (i.e. . . It is sunny out today) If he or she has trouble with any of these tasks, call 9-1-1 immediately and describe the symptoms to the dispatcher. After discovering that a group of non-medical volunteers could identify facial weakness, arm weakness and speech problems, researchers urged the general public to learn the three questions. They presented their conclusions at the American Stroke Association's annual meeting last February. Widespread use of this test could result in prompt diagnosis and treatment of the stroke and prevent brain damage. BE A FRIEND AND SHARE THIS ARTICLE WITH AS MANY FRIENDS AS POSSIBLE, you could save their lives or the lives of people they care about. ] #3 usually poses a probelm for wingers anyway .... remember that bush character? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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Not completely true. It depends a LOT on location of the clot. After 8
minutes without O2 brain cells start to die. How many die depends on the reason for the stroke and what arterioles are affected. Clots and aneurisms both cause strokes. So can intercranial pressure from certain infections and concussion damage. Recognizing the problem can be VERY difficult because different areas of the brain can cause different signs. Some of those are easy to see, others don't show up without active questioning or electronic measurements. Steve The thing is, Strider..if you get to medical care in those 3 hours...damned little of the brain can be damaged. My neighbor is a prime example. His wife suspected a stroke...got him in..big clot...and he is better today than he was before the stroke. They found some arterial blockage..including one in his neck which was the one that busted off a chunk and got into his brain. They did their magic..and he is just hunky dorey Gunner Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder Cliff wrote: [ This was sent to me today by a friend - it may help save the live of someone you love... I think I sent it out before, but I'm sending it again just in case I didn't (& it doesn't hurt to be reminded of the steps again). Dear Friends- My parents had dinner this summer with a dear friend. During the BBQ their friend stumbled and took a little fall - she assured everyone that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) and just tripped over a brick because of her new shoes. They got her cleaned up and got her a new plate of food - while she appeared a bit shaken up, Ingrid went about enjoying herself the rest of the evening. At 3:00 am my mother received a call from Ingrid's husband telling her that his wife had been taken to the hospital - at 6:00 pm Ingrid passed away. She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ - had they known how to identify the signs of a stroke perhaps Ingrid would be with us today. It only takes a minute to read this- --- A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within 3 hours he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally. He said the trick was getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed and getting to the patient within 3 hours, which is tough. RECOGNIZING A STROKE Thank God for the sense to remember the "3" steps. Read and Learn! Sometimes symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify. Unfortunately, the lack of awareness spells disaster. The stroke victim may suffer brain damage when people nearby fail to recognize the symptoms of a stroke. Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three simple questions: 1. *Ask the individual to SMILE. 2. *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS. 3. *Ask the person to SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently) (i.e. .. . It is sunny out today) If he or she has trouble with any of these tasks, call 9-1-1 immediately and describe the symptoms to the dispatcher. After discovering that a group of non-medical volunteers could identify facial weakness, arm weakness and speech problems, researchers urged the general public to learn the three questions. They presented their conclusions at the American Stroke Association's annual meeting last February. Widespread use of this test could result in prompt diagnosis and treatment of the stroke and prevent brain damage. BE A FRIEND AND SHARE THIS ARTICLE WITH AS MANY FRIENDS AS POSSIBLE, you could save their lives or the lives of people they care about. ] #3 usually poses a probelm for wingers anyway .... remember that bush character? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Steve W. wrote:
Not completely true. It depends a LOT on location of the clot. After 8 minutes without O2 brain cells start to die. Correct, but given that humans only use a minor percentage of their brain, the chances of any significant brain damage occuring is very minor {:-). |
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:15:17 -0600, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote: After my mom recovered from one - she called me to say she was ok after all - (out of town and our first indication !) She said the doctor asked her all of the addresses she lived at since she got married - (more than I could say street numbers...) kids names and birthdays, .... the list was so extensive that I wonder if the Dr. could. He must have been testing a wide range of mental abilities. So be prepared! We could solve a lot of problems by asking wingers a few questions .... Q to bush & cheney: Tell us about "WMDs" .... They'd never get out .... -- Cliff |
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Qualifying stroke victims can be given Tissue plasminogen activator (TPa),
which is a powerful clot busting drug. That is why the poster said if recognized within 3 hours. Yes, brain cells will die, but nothing that will permanantly affect the person. Searcher |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:05:51 GMT, "Searcher1"
wrote: Yes, brain cells will die, but nothing that will permanantly affect the person. You don't consider wingers affected? -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:05:51 GMT, the renowned "Searcher1"
wrote: Qualifying stroke victims can be given Tissue plasminogen activator (TPa), which is a powerful clot busting drug. That is why the poster said if recognized within 3 hours. Yes, brain cells will die, but nothing that will permanantly affect the person. Searcher TPa's may bust the clot, OTOH, they may kill the person right off. A lot of damage is caused by swelling after the stroke. Personally, I'd rather take the fairly high chance of dying right off (I think it's in the 20% range, but that's from hazy memory) and recovering 100% rather than the higher chance of surviving with severe or moderate mental handicaps (such as aphasia). Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:04:02 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:05:51 GMT, the renowned "Searcher1" wrote: Qualifying stroke victims can be given Tissue plasminogen activator (TPa), which is a powerful clot busting drug. That is why the poster said if recognized within 3 hours. Yes, brain cells will die, but nothing that will permanantly affect the person. Searcher TPa's may bust the clot, OTOH, they may kill the person right off. A lot of damage is caused by swelling after the stroke. Personally, I'd rather take the fairly high chance of dying right off (I think it's in the 20% range, but that's from hazy memory) and recovering 100% rather than the higher chance of surviving with severe or moderate mental handicaps (such as aphasia). TPa is the wrong thing for a bleeding/non-clot stroke. Beyond that, the faster you get good treatment the better. It's very important ..... older people should probably not live far from a good hospital. One with CAT-scan or NMR I suspect. Know where to go. -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:55:48 -0500, Cliff wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:15:17 -0600, "Martin H. Eastburn" wrote: After my mom recovered from one - she called me to say she was ok after all - (out of town and our first indication !) She said the doctor asked her all of the addresses she lived at since she got married - (more than I could say street numbers...) kids names and birthdays, .... the list was so extensive that I wonder if the Dr. could. He must have been testing a wide range of mental abilities. So be prepared! We could solve a lot of problems by asking wingers a few questions .... You could maybe cause one by asking little Cliffie to define exactly what a "winger" is. :/ |
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In article ,
(The Watcher) wrote: We could solve a lot of problems by asking wingers a few questions .... You could maybe cause one by asking little Cliffie to define exactly what a "winger" is. :/ ....... wityhout looking in the mirror -- Free men own guns, slaves don't www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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The Watcher wrote:
You could maybe cause one by asking little Cliffie to define exactly what a "winger" is. :/ That is easy for any true blue aussie. He is the guy that is on the end of the line out in football ( league, and union). does soccer and aussie rules also have wingers? And yeh, you have both. {:-) |
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Cliff wrote: [ This was sent to me today by a friend - it may help save the live of someone you love... I think I sent it out before, but I'm sending it again just in case I didn't (& it doesn't hurt to be reminded of the steps again). Dear Friends- My parents had dinner this summer with a dear friend. During the BBQ their friend stumbled and took a little fall - she assured everyone that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) and just tripped over a brick because of her new shoes. They got her cleaned up and got her a new plate of food - while she appeared a bit shaken up, Ingrid went about enjoying herself the rest of the evening. SNIP ++++++++++++++++++++ Political hits aside, thanks for the information. It could come in handy someday. Terry |
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Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life. John |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:37:55 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote: Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life. Or kill a stroke victim that has a burst blood vessel rather than a clot blockage. -- Cliff |
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"Cliff" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:37:55 -0600, "John Scheldroup" wrote: Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life. Or kill a stroke victim that has a burst blood vessel rather than a clot blockage. -- Cliff It's usually clot blockage. Blood vessels you're speaking of, an Aorta ?. My mother has a fractured hip could not have her hip surgery two years ago in light of her congestive heart disease and cardiac arrhythmia-tachycardia. It's funny my own is still pumping after all the early morning tachycardia's, BTW baby aspirin slow those down too. John |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:21:20 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote: "Cliff" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:37:55 -0600, "John Scheldroup" wrote: Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life. Or kill a stroke victim that has a burst blood vessel rather than a clot blockage. It's usually clot blockage. Blood vessels you're speaking of, an Aorta ?. Hemorrhagic strokes. About 83 percent of all strokes are ischemic strokes (blockages with clots) but the other 17 percent would be hemorrhagic. http://www.bayeraspirin.com/questions/side_effects.htm [ While the most common side effects associated with aspirin use are GI related, the majority of these are minor and resolve without medical intervention. In rare cases, more serious effects, such as bleeding, have been observed in individuals taking aspirin for extended periods of time. Even less commonly, hemorrhagic stroke can occur. However, the benefits of treatment have been shown usually to outweigh the risks in cases of long-term use to help prevent cardiovascular events in people at elevated risk for CVD (with FDA recommended doses ranging from 75-325 mg for MI and 50 mg – 325 mg for recurrent stroke) A safety review published in the October 2002 issue of Archives of Internal Medicine, found that less than 1% (41 of 6,000 patients) were diagnosed with bleeding – and it was not life threatening. More significantly, there were 18 percent fewer deaths, 20 percent fewer strokes and 30 percent fewer heart attacks in the people who took aspirin Extensive secondary prevention and primary prevention databases confirm the low occurrence of hemorrhagic stroke; in all five landmark primary prevention trials, the difference in the percent of patients experiencing a hemorrhagic stroke (aspirin vs. placebo) did not reach statistical significance The American Heart Association and the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force recommend that doctors consider aspirin therapy for the prevention of a first heart attack in all individuals at moderate to high-risk ] If you have a stroke AND it's a hemorrhagic one taking aspirin after it may not be a very good idea. Hospital first ASAP I suspect, if at all possible? http://www.healingdaily.com/conditio...prevention.htm [ Taking aspirin isn’t advised during a stroke, because not all strokes are caused by blood clots. Most strokes are caused by clots, but some are caused by ruptured blood vessels. Taking aspirin could actually make these bleeding strokes more severe. ] HTH -- Cliff |
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"Cliff" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:21:20 -0600, "John Scheldroup" wrote: "Cliff" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:37:55 -0600, "John Scheldroup" wrote: The Bayer website confirms much of what Gunner and I said. BTW, Paramedics do use them just as Gunner said, I confirm that is to be true. Now as to your website below: Cliff, Cliff, Cliff, Didn't I tell you to watch out for those snake oil salesman ? chuckle http://www.healingdaily.com/conditio...va-ph-test.htm http://www.healingdaily.com/conditio...prevention.htm [ Taking aspirin isn't advised during a stroke, because not all strokes are caused by blood clots. Most strokes are caused by clots, but some are caused by ruptured blood vessels. Taking aspirin could actually make these bleeding strokes more severe. ] HTH -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:37:55 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote: Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life. John It saved my wifes, when she suffered her heart attack, 1.5 hours away from medical care. At least the cardiac specialist said it did. Im still not sure if I should be pleased or disappointed...... Gunner "The importance of morality is that people behave themselves even if nobody's watching. There are not enough cops and laws to replace personal morality as a means to produce a civilized society. Indeed, the police and criminal justice system are the last desperate line of defense for a civilized society. Unfortunately, too many of us see police, laws and the criminal justice system as society's first line of defense." --Walter Williams |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:37:55 -0600, "John Scheldroup" wrote: Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life. John It saved my wifes, when she suffered her heart attack, 1.5 hours away from medical care. At least the cardiac specialist said it did. Im still not sure if I should be pleased or disappointed...... Gunner http://focus.hms.harvard.edu/2004/Oc...nesthesia.html Focus October 15, 2004 Aspirin, it turns out, does not completely block COX-2 from functioning. "It doesn't kill the enzyme," said Chiang. "It switches the enzyme's activity from producing pro-inflammatory prostaglandins to making this anti- inflammatory mediator ATL." Normally, COX-2 in the cells lining blood vessels produces molecules that are turned into prostaglandins, lipid signals responsible for inflammation. But aspirin makes a chemical alteration in COX-2, and the enzyme produces a new molecule that is released by the cells and taken up by nearby neutrophils, which then produce ATL. Aspirin is not just blocking inflammation, but actively bringing about its end. Aspirin was thought to control inflammation only at higher doses, effective in acute situations, but potentially damaging over the long term. The benefits of taking a baby aspirin every day were assumed to stem from the medicine's ability to keep platelets from clumping in blood vessels, thereby helping to prevent clot-related heart attacks and strokes. |
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John Scheldroup wrote:
Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life. John No disrespect intended, but someone provided you with some really bad information. There are two kinds of strokes, occlusive and hemorrhagic. The former is a constriction of blood flow to brain tissue, and the latter is bleeding from a weakened or burst blood vessel within the brain. If you give Aspirin in the latter case, it can seriously worsen the bleeding within the brain. Stroke-like symptom require rapid intervention, but not before a physician, preferably a neurologist, has determined the cause. Your best bet is to just call 911. However, aspirin can be life-saving and should be given immediately (1 regular strength or 4 "baby" aspirin, about 325mg) if a heart attack is suspected, and the patient is not allergic to aspirin. This is probably what your source was thinking of. Jeff |
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"Jeff McCann" wrote in message ink.net... John Scheldroup wrote: Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life. John No disrespect intended, but someone provided you with some really bad information. Nope Do you practice Transcendental Meditation (TM) ?. |
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"Jeff McCann" wrote in message ink.net... John Scheldroup wrote: Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life. John No disrespect intended, but someone provided you with some really bad information. There are two kinds of strokes, occlusive and hemorrhagic. The former is a constriction of blood flow to brain tissue, and the latter is bleeding from a weakened or burst blood vessel within the brain. If you give Aspirin in the latter case, it can seriously worsen the bleeding within the brain. Stroke-like symptom require rapid intervention, but not before a physician, preferably a neurologist, has determined the cause. Your best bet is to just call 911. However, aspirin can be life-saving and should be given immediately (1 regular strength or 4 "baby" aspirin, about 325mg) if a heart attack is suspected, and the patient is not allergic to aspirin. This is probably what your source was thinking of. Jeff Citizen's Petition to FDA Citizen's Petition Backgrounder Advancing Aspirin's Use to Save Lives Source: http://www.bayeraspirin.com/hp_citizenfda.htm 1998: The secondary prevention labeling was broadened to include additional uses and doses, and most importantly recognized the benefits of aspirin to prevent stroke in women. Use During Acute MI: In the most dramatic of newly approved uses, the FDA is recognizing aspirin's potential to reduce the risk of death if taken as soon as a heart attack is suspected as directed by a physician. The FDA agreed with research that concluded that as little as one-half (162.5 mg) of a regular-strength aspirin tablet reduces the risk of death by up to 23 percent if administered when a heart attack is suspected and for 30 days thereafter. John |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:53:35 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote: Use During Acute MI: In the most dramatic of newly approved uses, the FDA is recognizing aspirin's potential to reduce the risk of death if taken as soon as a heart attack is suspected as directed by a physician. The FDA agreed with research that concluded that as little as one-half (162.5 mg) of a regular-strength aspirin tablet reduces the risk of death by up to 23 percent if administered when a heart attack is suspected and for 30 days thereafter. But not as self-medication when a stroke is suspected. -- Cliff |
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How does it save my life if a stroke patient swollows asprin?
-- Christopher A. Young Do good work. It's longer in the short run but shorter in the long run. .. .. John Scheldroup wrote: Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life. John |
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"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... How does it save my life if a stroke patient swollows asprin? Oxygen transport. http://www.pregnancy-info.net/QA/ans...pls_answer_me/ -- Christopher A. Young Do good work. It's longer in the short run but shorter in the long run. . . John Scheldroup wrote: Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life. John |
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Supposing I'm out with Bill Jones, and he starts having a stroke. He takes a
couple asprin. How does that save Chris Young's life? -- Christopher A. Young Do good work. It's longer in the short run but shorter in the long run. .. .. "John Scheldroup" wrote in message et... "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... How does it save my life if a stroke patient swollows asprin? Oxygen transport. http://www.pregnancy-info.net/QA/ans...pls_answer_me/ -- Christopher A. Young Do good work. It's longer in the short run but shorter in the long run. . . John Scheldroup wrote: Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life. John |
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