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[
This was sent to me today by a friend - it may help save the live of
someone you love... I think I sent it out before, but I'm sending it
again just in case I didn't (& it doesn't hurt to be reminded of the
steps again).

Dear Friends-

My parents had dinner this summer with a dear friend. During the BBQ
their friend stumbled and took a little fall - she assured everyone
that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) and just tripped
over a brick because of her new shoes. They got her cleaned up and got
her a new plate of food - while she appeared a bit shaken up, Ingrid
went about enjoying herself the rest of
the evening.

At 3:00 am my mother received a call from Ingrid's husband telling her
that his wife had been taken to the hospital - at 6:00 pm Ingrid
passed away. She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ - had they known how
to identify the signs of a stroke perhaps Ingrid would be with us
today.

It only takes a minute to read this-

--- A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within
3 hours he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally. He
said the trick was getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed and getting
to the patient within 3 hours, which is tough.

RECOGNIZING A STROKE

Thank God for the sense to remember the "3" steps. Read and Learn!

Sometimes symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify.
Unfortunately, the lack of awareness spells disaster. The stroke
victim may suffer brain damage when people nearby fail to recognize
the symptoms of a stroke.

Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three
simple questions:

1. *Ask the individual to SMILE.

2. *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS.

3. *Ask the person to SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently) (i.e. . .
It
is sunny out today) If he or she has trouble with any of these
tasks, call
9-1-1 immediately and describe the symptoms to the dispatcher.

After discovering that a group of non-medical volunteers could
identify facial weakness, arm weakness and speech problems,
researchers urged the general public to learn the three questions.
They presented their conclusions at the American Stroke Association's
annual meeting last February. Widespread use of this test could result
in prompt diagnosis and treatment of the stroke and prevent brain
damage. BE A FRIEND AND SHARE THIS ARTICLE WITH AS MANY FRIENDS AS
POSSIBLE, you could save their lives or the lives of people they care
about.
]

#3 usually poses a probelm for wingers anyway .... remember
that bush character?

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After my mom recovered from one - she called me to say she was ok after all -
(out of town and our first indication !)

She said the doctor asked her all of the addresses she lived at since she
got married - (more than I could say street numbers...) kids names and birthdays,
..... the list was so extensive that I wonder if the Dr. could. He must have
been testing a wide range of mental abilities. So be prepared!

Martin
Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Cliff wrote:
[
This was sent to me today by a friend - it may help save the live of
someone you love... I think I sent it out before, but I'm sending it
again just in case I didn't (& it doesn't hurt to be reminded of the
steps again).

Dear Friends-

My parents had dinner this summer with a dear friend. During the BBQ
their friend stumbled and took a little fall - she assured everyone
that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) and just tripped
over a brick because of her new shoes. They got her cleaned up and got
her a new plate of food - while she appeared a bit shaken up, Ingrid
went about enjoying herself the rest of
the evening.

At 3:00 am my mother received a call from Ingrid's husband telling her
that his wife had been taken to the hospital - at 6:00 pm Ingrid
passed away. She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ - had they known how
to identify the signs of a stroke perhaps Ingrid would be with us
today.

It only takes a minute to read this-

--- A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within
3 hours he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally. He
said the trick was getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed and getting
to the patient within 3 hours, which is tough.

RECOGNIZING A STROKE

Thank God for the sense to remember the "3" steps. Read and Learn!

Sometimes symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify.
Unfortunately, the lack of awareness spells disaster. The stroke
victim may suffer brain damage when people nearby fail to recognize
the symptoms of a stroke.

Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three
simple questions:

1. *Ask the individual to SMILE.

2. *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS.

3. *Ask the person to SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently) (i.e. . .
It
is sunny out today) If he or she has trouble with any of these
tasks, call
9-1-1 immediately and describe the symptoms to the dispatcher.

After discovering that a group of non-medical volunteers could
identify facial weakness, arm weakness and speech problems,
researchers urged the general public to learn the three questions.
They presented their conclusions at the American Stroke Association's
annual meeting last February. Widespread use of this test could result
in prompt diagnosis and treatment of the stroke and prevent brain
damage. BE A FRIEND AND SHARE THIS ARTICLE WITH AS MANY FRIENDS AS
POSSIBLE, you could save their lives or the lives of people they care
about.
]

#3 usually poses a probelm for wingers anyway .... remember
that bush character?

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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:15:17 -0600, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote:

After my mom recovered from one - she called me to say she was ok after all -
(out of town and our first indication !)

She said the doctor asked her all of the addresses she lived at since she
got married - (more than I could say street numbers...) kids names and birthdays,
.... the list was so extensive that I wonder if the Dr. could. He must have
been testing a wide range of mental abilities. So be prepared!

So, you want me to prepare for a post stroke questionnaire, designed
to asses my remaining mental capacity after some portion of my brain
has been killed?

You are truly a candidate for "Troll of the Year".

My commendation.

Strider


Martin
Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Cliff wrote:
[
This was sent to me today by a friend - it may help save the live of
someone you love... I think I sent it out before, but I'm sending it
again just in case I didn't (& it doesn't hurt to be reminded of the
steps again).

Dear Friends-

My parents had dinner this summer with a dear friend. During the BBQ
their friend stumbled and took a little fall - she assured everyone
that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) and just tripped
over a brick because of her new shoes. They got her cleaned up and got
her a new plate of food - while she appeared a bit shaken up, Ingrid
went about enjoying herself the rest of
the evening.

At 3:00 am my mother received a call from Ingrid's husband telling her
that his wife had been taken to the hospital - at 6:00 pm Ingrid
passed away. She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ - had they known how
to identify the signs of a stroke perhaps Ingrid would be with us
today.

It only takes a minute to read this-

--- A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within
3 hours he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally. He
said the trick was getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed and getting
to the patient within 3 hours, which is tough.

RECOGNIZING A STROKE

Thank God for the sense to remember the "3" steps. Read and Learn!

Sometimes symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify.
Unfortunately, the lack of awareness spells disaster. The stroke
victim may suffer brain damage when people nearby fail to recognize
the symptoms of a stroke.

Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three
simple questions:

1. *Ask the individual to SMILE.

2. *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS.

3. *Ask the person to SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently) (i.e. . .
It
is sunny out today) If he or she has trouble with any of these
tasks, call
9-1-1 immediately and describe the symptoms to the dispatcher.

After discovering that a group of non-medical volunteers could
identify facial weakness, arm weakness and speech problems,
researchers urged the general public to learn the three questions.
They presented their conclusions at the American Stroke Association's
annual meeting last February. Widespread use of this test could result
in prompt diagnosis and treatment of the stroke and prevent brain
damage. BE A FRIEND AND SHARE THIS ARTICLE WITH AS MANY FRIENDS AS
POSSIBLE, you could save their lives or the lives of people they care
about.
]

#3 usually poses a probelm for wingers anyway .... remember
that bush character?

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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:28:49 -0500, Strider wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:15:17 -0600, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote:

After my mom recovered from one - she called me to say she was ok after all -
(out of town and our first indication !)

She said the doctor asked her all of the addresses she lived at since she
got married - (more than I could say street numbers...) kids names and birthdays,
.... the list was so extensive that I wonder if the Dr. could. He must have
been testing a wide range of mental abilities. So be prepared!

So, you want me to prepare for a post stroke questionnaire, designed
to asses my remaining mental capacity after some portion of my brain
has been killed?

You are truly a candidate for "Troll of the Year".

My commendation.

Strider

The thing is, Strider..if you get to medical care in those 3
hours...damned little of the brain can be damaged. My neighbor is a
prime example. His wife suspected a stroke...got him in..big
clot...and he is better today than he was before the stroke. They
found some arterial blockage..including one in his neck which was the
one that busted off a chunk and got into his brain. They did their
magic..and he is just hunky dorey

Gunner



Martin
Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Cliff wrote:
[
This was sent to me today by a friend - it may help save the live of
someone you love... I think I sent it out before, but I'm sending it
again just in case I didn't (& it doesn't hurt to be reminded of the
steps again).

Dear Friends-

My parents had dinner this summer with a dear friend. During the BBQ
their friend stumbled and took a little fall - she assured everyone
that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) and just tripped
over a brick because of her new shoes. They got her cleaned up and got
her a new plate of food - while she appeared a bit shaken up, Ingrid
went about enjoying herself the rest of
the evening.

At 3:00 am my mother received a call from Ingrid's husband telling her
that his wife had been taken to the hospital - at 6:00 pm Ingrid
passed away. She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ - had they known how
to identify the signs of a stroke perhaps Ingrid would be with us
today.

It only takes a minute to read this-

--- A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within
3 hours he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally. He
said the trick was getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed and getting
to the patient within 3 hours, which is tough.

RECOGNIZING A STROKE

Thank God for the sense to remember the "3" steps. Read and Learn!

Sometimes symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify.
Unfortunately, the lack of awareness spells disaster. The stroke
victim may suffer brain damage when people nearby fail to recognize
the symptoms of a stroke.

Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three
simple questions:

1. *Ask the individual to SMILE.

2. *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS.

3. *Ask the person to SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently) (i.e. . .
It
is sunny out today) If he or she has trouble with any of these
tasks, call
9-1-1 immediately and describe the symptoms to the dispatcher.

After discovering that a group of non-medical volunteers could
identify facial weakness, arm weakness and speech problems,
researchers urged the general public to learn the three questions.
They presented their conclusions at the American Stroke Association's
annual meeting last February. Widespread use of this test could result
in prompt diagnosis and treatment of the stroke and prevent brain
damage. BE A FRIEND AND SHARE THIS ARTICLE WITH AS MANY FRIENDS AS
POSSIBLE, you could save their lives or the lives of people they care
about.
]

#3 usually poses a probelm for wingers anyway .... remember
that bush character?

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"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:15:17 -0600, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote:

After my mom recovered from one - she called me to say she was ok after all -
(out of town and our first indication !)

She said the doctor asked her all of the addresses she lived at since she
got married - (more than I could say street numbers...) kids names and birthdays,
.... the list was so extensive that I wonder if the Dr. could. He must have
been testing a wide range of mental abilities. So be prepared!

We could solve a lot of problems by asking wingers a few
questions ....


Q to bush & cheney: Tell us about "WMDs" ....
They'd never get out ....
--
Cliff

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Not completely true. It depends a LOT on location of the clot. After 8
minutes without O2 brain cells start to die. How many die depends on the
reason for the stroke and what arterioles are affected. Clots and
aneurisms both cause strokes. So can intercranial pressure from certain
infections and concussion damage. Recognizing the problem can be VERY
difficult because different areas of the brain can cause different
signs. Some of those are easy to see, others don't show up without
active questioning or electronic measurements.

Steve




The thing is, Strider..if you get to medical care in those 3
hours...damned little of the brain can be damaged. My neighbor is a
prime example. His wife suspected a stroke...got him in..big
clot...and he is better today than he was before the stroke. They
found some arterial blockage..including one in his neck which was the
one that busted off a chunk and got into his brain. They did their
magic..and he is just hunky dorey

Gunner



Martin
Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated
dot net
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Cliff wrote:
[
This was sent to me today by a friend - it may help save the live
of
someone you love... I think I sent it out before, but I'm sending
it
again just in case I didn't (& it doesn't hurt to be reminded of
the
steps again).

Dear Friends-

My parents had dinner this summer with a dear friend. During the
BBQ
their friend stumbled and took a little fall - she assured
everyone
that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) and just
tripped
over a brick because of her new shoes. They got her cleaned up and
got
her a new plate of food - while she appeared a bit shaken up,
Ingrid
went about enjoying herself the rest of
the evening.

At 3:00 am my mother received a call from Ingrid's husband telling
her
that his wife had been taken to the hospital - at 6:00 pm Ingrid
passed away. She had suffered a stroke at the BBQ - had they known
how
to identify the signs of a stroke perhaps Ingrid would be with us
today.

It only takes a minute to read this-

--- A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim
within
3 hours he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally.
He
said the trick was getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed and
getting
to the patient within 3 hours, which is tough.

RECOGNIZING A STROKE

Thank God for the sense to remember the "3" steps. Read and Learn!

Sometimes symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify.
Unfortunately, the lack of awareness spells disaster. The stroke
victim may suffer brain damage when people nearby fail to
recognize
the symptoms of a stroke.

Now doctors say a bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three
simple questions:

1. *Ask the individual to SMILE.

2. *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS.

3. *Ask the person to SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently) (i.e.
.. .
It
is sunny out today) If he or she has trouble with any of these
tasks, call
9-1-1 immediately and describe the symptoms to the dispatcher.

After discovering that a group of non-medical volunteers could
identify facial weakness, arm weakness and speech problems,
researchers urged the general public to learn the three questions.
They presented their conclusions at the American Stroke
Association's
annual meeting last February. Widespread use of this test could
result
in prompt diagnosis and treatment of the stroke and prevent brain
damage. BE A FRIEND AND SHARE THIS ARTICLE WITH AS MANY FRIENDS AS
POSSIBLE, you could save their lives or the lives of people they
care
about.
]

#3 usually poses a probelm for wingers anyway .... remember
that bush character?

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"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner



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Qualifying stroke victims can be given Tissue plasminogen activator (TPa),
which is a powerful clot busting drug. That is why the poster said if
recognized within 3 hours. Yes, brain cells will die, but nothing that will
permanantly affect the person.

Searcher

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Cliff wrote:
[
This was sent to me today by a friend - it may help save the live of
someone you love... I think I sent it out before, but I'm sending it
again just in case I didn't (& it doesn't hurt to be reminded of the
steps again).

Dear Friends-

My parents had dinner this summer with a dear friend. During the BBQ
their friend stumbled and took a little fall - she assured everyone
that she was fine (they offered to call paramedics) and just tripped
over a brick because of her new shoes. They got her cleaned up and got
her a new plate of food - while she appeared a bit shaken up, Ingrid
went about enjoying herself the rest of
the evening.

SNIP
++++++++++++++++++++
Political hits aside, thanks for the information.
It could come in handy someday.


Terry

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Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life.

John

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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:55:48 -0500, Cliff wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:15:17 -0600, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote:

After my mom recovered from one - she called me to say she was ok after all -
(out of town and our first indication !)

She said the doctor asked her all of the addresses she lived at since she
got married - (more than I could say street numbers...) kids names and birthdays,
.... the list was so extensive that I wonder if the Dr. could. He must have
been testing a wide range of mental abilities. So be prepared!

We could solve a lot of problems by asking wingers a few
questions ....

You could maybe cause one by asking little Cliffie to define exactly what a
"winger" is. :/

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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:37:55 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:

Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life.

Or kill a stroke victim that has a burst blood vessel rather than
a clot blockage.
--
Cliff

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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:05:51 GMT, "Searcher1"
wrote:

Yes, brain cells will die, but nothing that will
permanantly affect the person.

You don't consider wingers affected?
--
Cliff

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"Cliff" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:37:55 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:

Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life.

Or kill a stroke victim that has a burst blood vessel rather than
a clot blockage.
--
Cliff

It's usually clot blockage. Blood vessels you're speaking of, an Aorta ?.
My mother has a fractured hip could not have her hip surgery two years ago
in light of her congestive heart disease and cardiac arrhythmia-tachycardia.
It's funny my own is still pumping after all the early morning tachycardia's,
BTW baby aspirin slow those down too.

John

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In article ,
(The Watcher) wrote:

We could solve a lot of problems by asking wingers a few
questions ....

You could maybe cause one by asking little Cliffie to define exactly what a
"winger" is. :/

....... wityhout looking in the mirror ;)

--
Free men own guns, slaves don't
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/

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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:37:55 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:


Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life.

John

It saved my wifes, when she suffered her heart attack, 1.5 hours away
from medical care. At least the cardiac specialist said it did.

Im still not sure if I should be pleased or disappointed......

Gunner


"The importance of morality is that people behave themselves even if
nobody's watching. There are not enough cops and laws to replace
personal morality as a means to produce a civilized society. Indeed,
the police and criminal justice system are the last desperate line of
defense for a civilized society. Unfortunately, too many of us see
police, laws and the criminal justice system as society's first line
of defense." --Walter Williams

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"Gunner" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:37:55 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:


Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life.

John

It saved my wifes, when she suffered her heart attack, 1.5 hours away
from medical care. At least the cardiac specialist said it did.

Im still not sure if I should be pleased or disappointed......

Gunner


http://focus.hms.harvard.edu/2004/Oc...nesthesia.html

Focus
October 15, 2004

Aspirin, it turns out, does not completely block COX-2 from functioning.
"It doesn't kill the enzyme," said Chiang. "It switches the enzyme's activity
from producing pro-inflammatory prostaglandins to making this anti-
inflammatory mediator ATL." Normally, COX-2 in the cells lining blood
vessels produces molecules that are turned into prostaglandins, lipid signals
responsible for inflammation. But aspirin makes a chemical alteration in
COX-2, and the enzyme produces a new molecule that is released by the
cells and taken up by nearby neutrophils, which then produce ATL.
Aspirin is not just blocking inflammation, but actively bringing about its end.

Aspirin was thought to control inflammation only at higher doses, effective
in acute situations, but potentially damaging over the long term. The benefits
of taking a baby aspirin every day were assumed to stem from the medicine's
ability to keep platelets from clumping in blood vessels, thereby helping to
prevent clot-related heart attacks and strokes.

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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:21:20 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:

"Cliff" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:37:55 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:

Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life.

Or kill a stroke victim that has a burst blood vessel rather than
a clot blockage.

It's usually clot blockage. Blood vessels you're speaking of, an Aorta ?.

Hemorrhagic strokes. About 83 percent of all strokes are ischemic
strokes (blockages with clots) but the other 17 percent would be
hemorrhagic.

http://www.bayeraspirin.com/questions/side_effects.htm
[
While the most common side effects associated with aspirin use are GI
related, the majority of these are minor and resolve without medical
intervention. In rare cases, more serious effects, such as bleeding,
have been observed in individuals taking aspirin for extended periods
of time. Even less commonly, hemorrhagic stroke can occur. However,
the benefits of treatment have been shown usually to outweigh the
risks in cases of long-term use to help prevent cardiovascular events
in people at elevated risk for CVD (with FDA recommended doses ranging
from 75-325 mg for MI and 50 mg – 325 mg for recurrent stroke)

A safety review published in the October 2002 issue of Archives of
Internal Medicine, found that less than 1% (41 of 6,000 patients) were
diagnosed with bleeding – and it was not life threatening. More
significantly, there were 18 percent fewer deaths, 20 percent fewer
strokes and 30 percent fewer heart attacks in the people who took
aspirin

Extensive secondary prevention and primary prevention databases
confirm the low occurrence of hemorrhagic stroke; in all five landmark
primary prevention trials, the difference in the percent of patients
experiencing a hemorrhagic stroke (aspirin vs. placebo) did not reach
statistical significance

The American Heart Association and the U.S. Preventive Services Task
Force recommend that doctors consider aspirin therapy for the
prevention of a first heart attack in all individuals at moderate to
high-risk
]

If you have a stroke AND it's a hemorrhagic one taking aspirin
after it may not be a very good idea. Hospital first ASAP I suspect,
if at all possible?

http://www.healingdaily.com/conditio...prevention.htm
[
Taking aspirin isn’t advised during a stroke, because not all strokes
are caused by blood clots. Most strokes are caused by clots, but some
are caused by ruptured blood vessels. Taking aspirin could actually
make these bleeding strokes more severe.
]

HTH
--
Cliff

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"Cliff" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:21:20 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:

"Cliff" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:37:55 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:




The Bayer website confirms much of what Gunner and I said.
BTW, Paramedics do use them just as Gunner said, I confirm
that is to be true.

Now as to your website below:

Cliff, Cliff, Cliff, Didn't I tell you to watch out for those snake oil salesman ? chuckle

http://www.healingdaily.com/conditio...va-ph-test.htm


http://www.healingdaily.com/conditio...prevention.htm
[
Taking aspirin isn't advised during a stroke, because not all strokes
are caused by blood clots. Most strokes are caused by clots, but some
are caused by ruptured blood vessels. Taking aspirin could actually
make these bleeding strokes more severe.
]

HTH
--
Cliff

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"John Scheldroup" wrote in message ...

"Cliff" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:21:20 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:

"Cliff" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:37:55 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:




The Bayer website confirms much of what Gunner and I said.
BTW, Paramedics do use them just as Gunner said, I confirm
that is to be true.

Now as to your website below:

Cliff, Cliff, Cliff, Didn't I tell you to watch out for those snake oil salesman ? chuckle

http://www.healingdaily.com/conditio...va-ph-test.htm


http://www.healingdaily.com/conditio...prevention.htm
[
Taking aspirin isn't advised during a stroke, because not all strokes
are caused by blood clots. Most strokes are caused by clots, but some
are caused by ruptured blood vessels. Taking aspirin could actually
make these bleeding strokes more severe.
]

HTH
--
Cliff



Come one come all, another medical breakthrough according to Cliff's website.

[
Saliva pH and Cancer

Cancer patients are usually a bright yellow, a pH of 4.5, especially when
terminal." The Calcium Factor: The Scientific Secret of Health and Youth,
by Robert R. Barefoot and Carl J. Reich.

4. Learn and practice Transcendental Meditation (TM).
]

OT - Strokes
 

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:58:26 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:

The Bayer website confirms much of what Gunner and I said.
BTW, Paramedics do use them just as Gunner said, I confirm
that is to be true.

For *preventing* strokes *in general* and for heart attacks.
NOT for treatment of a stroke after it has happened when
the type is unknown.

Do a bit of research, John g.
--
Cliff

OT - Strokes
 

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:07:47 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:

Come one come all, another medical breakthrough according to Cliff's website.

I just grabbed one. Try a better search.
It was vaid for it's sole purpose.
Think about it ... do you want to make a bleed
into the brain worse?
--
Cliff

OT - Strokes
 

John Scheldroup wrote:
Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life.

John

No disrespect intended, but someone provided you with some really bad
information. There are two kinds of strokes, occlusive and hemorrhagic.
The former is a constriction of blood flow to brain tissue, and the
latter is bleeding from a weakened or burst blood vessel within the
brain. If you give Aspirin in the latter case, it can seriously worsen
the bleeding within the brain. Stroke-like symptom require rapid
intervention, but not before a physician, preferably a neurologist, has
determined the cause. Your best bet is to just call 911.

However, aspirin can be life-saving and should be given immediately (1
regular strength or 4 "baby" aspirin, about 325mg) if a heart attack is
suspected, and the patient is not allergic to aspirin. This is probably
what your source was thinking of.

Jeff

OT - Strokes
 

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:04:02 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:05:51 GMT, the renowned "Searcher1"
wrote:

Qualifying stroke victims can be given Tissue plasminogen activator (TPa),
which is a powerful clot busting drug. That is why the poster said if
recognized within 3 hours. Yes, brain cells will die, but nothing that will
permanantly affect the person.

Searcher

TPa's may bust the clot, OTOH, they may kill the person right off. A
lot of damage is caused by swelling after the stroke. Personally, I'd
rather take the fairly high chance of dying right off (I think it's in
the 20% range, but that's from hazy memory) and recovering 100% rather
than the higher chance of surviving with severe or moderate mental
handicaps (such as aphasia).

TPa is the wrong thing for a bleeding/non-clot stroke.
Beyond that, the faster you get good treatment the better. It's
very important ..... older people should probably not live
far from a good hospital. One with CAT-scan or NMR I suspect.
Know where to go.
--
Cliff

OT - Strokes
 

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:05:51 GMT, the renowned "Searcher1"
wrote:

Qualifying stroke victims can be given Tissue plasminogen activator (TPa),
which is a powerful clot busting drug. That is why the poster said if
recognized within 3 hours. Yes, brain cells will die, but nothing that will
permanantly affect the person.

Searcher

TPa's may bust the clot, OTOH, they may kill the person right off. A
lot of damage is caused by swelling after the stroke. Personally, I'd
rather take the fairly high chance of dying right off (I think it's in
the 20% range, but that's from hazy memory) and recovering 100% rather
than the higher chance of surviving with severe or moderate mental
handicaps (such as aphasia).



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

OT - Strokes
 

Steve W. wrote:
Not completely true. It depends a LOT on location of the clot. After 8
minutes without O2 brain cells start to die.

Correct, but given that humans only use a minor percentage of their
brain, the chances of any significant brain damage occuring is very
minor {:-).

OT - Strokes
 

The Watcher wrote:

You could maybe cause one by asking little Cliffie to define exactly what a
"winger" is. :/


That is easy for any true blue aussie. He is the guy that is on the end
of the line out in football ( league, and union). does soccer and aussie
rules also have wingers?

And yeh, you have both. {:-)

OT - Strokes
 

"Jeff McCann" wrote in message ink.net...
John Scheldroup wrote:
Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life.

John

No disrespect intended, but someone provided you with some really bad information.

Nope

Do you practice Transcendental Meditation (TM) ?.

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wrote in message oups.com...

John Scheldroup wrote:
"Jeff McCann" wrote in message ink.net...
John Scheldroup wrote:
Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life.

John

No disrespect intended, but someone provided you with some really bad information.

Nope

Do you practice Transcendental Meditation (TM) ?.

No. But I do practice and teach prehospital emergency medicine
(paramedics) and I am quite familiar with current stroke protocols and
AHA guidelines, which do not include aspirin. You?

Jeff



Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:37 AM
John wrote:
"Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life."

"not all strokes are caused by blood clots. Most strokes are caused by clots"

Questions or problems ?

http://216.185.112.5/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4456

AHA Recommendation

Should I take aspirin during a heart attack or stroke?
The more important thing to do if any heart attack warning signs occur is to
call 9-1-1 immediately. Don't do anything before calling 9-1-1. In particular,
don't take an aspirin, then wait for it to relieve your pain. Don't postpone
calling 9-1-1. Aspirin won't treat your heart attack by itself.

After you call 9-1-1, the 9-1-1 operator may recommend that you take an
aspirin. He or she can make sure that you don't have an allergy to aspirin or
a condition that makes using it too risky. If the 9-1-1 operator doesn't talk
to you about taking an aspirin, the emergency medical technicians or the
physician in the Emergency Department will give you an aspirin if it's right
for you.

[ *Research shows that getting an aspirin early in the treatment of a heart attack,
along with other treatments EMTs and Emergency Department physicians provide,
can significantly improve your chances of survival.* ]

[ *Taking aspirin isn't advised during a stroke, because not all strokes are caused
by blood clots. Most strokes are caused by clots, but some are caused by ruptured
blood vessels. Taking aspirin could potentially make these bleeding strokes more severe.* ]

John

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"Cliff" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:07:47 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:

Come one come all, another medical breakthrough according to Cliff's website.

I just grabbed one.

Cliff wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.m...e=source&hl=en

http://www.healingdaily.com/conditio...prevention.htm
[
Taking aspirin isn't advised during a stroke, because not all strokes
are caused by blood clots. Most strokes are caused by clots, but some
are caused by ruptured blood vessels. Taking aspirin could actually
make these bleeding strokes more severe.
]

http://www.healingdaily.com/conditio...va-ph-test.htm
4. Learn and practice Transcendental Meditation (TM).

Try a better search.
It was vaid for it's sole purpose.
Think about it ... do you want to make a bleed
into the brain worse?
--
Cliff

OT - Strokes
 

"Cliff" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:07:47 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:

Come one come all, another medical breakthrough according to Cliff's website.

Think about it ... do you want to make a bleed
into the brain worse?
--
Cliff

Source: http://www.aspirin-foundation.com/ne...ge/stroke.html

Aspirin and Stroke - a neurologist's viewpoint

Dr Delanty explained that stroke is the third leading cause of death in the
developed world. It is the commonest neurological disorder causing permanent
disability in adults. He classified them as ischaemic, haemorrhagic, or due to
subarachnoid haemorrhage and venous infarction. However, they are not
always easily demarcated. Ischaemic strokes can undergo haemorrhagic transformation.

About 90% of strokes are ischaemic.

The big concern now, said Dr Delanty was not whether aspirin works - that has
been proved. It was that it is greatly under-used. In the Scandinavian 4S trial,
only 37% of the patients who should have been taking aspirin actually were
being prescribed it. He pleaded with doctors to give aspirin to those at high risk
of cardiovascular events - those with hypertension, hyperlipidaemia, smokers,
with diabetes, etc.

He also recommended its use in acute non-haemorrhagic stroke.

The CAST/IST/MAST-I trials enrolled 40,000 patients to 160mg or 300mg aspirin.
One death or stroke was prevented by giving aspirin to each 100 patients with
acute stroke. It is recognised as part of the standard care of acute stroke. If given to
every acute stroke patient in Ireland, with about 3,000 strokes per year, aspirin
would prevent 30 deaths annually. In the United States, with an estimated
750,000 to 1 million strokes per year, the numbers saved would be huge.

John

OT - Strokes
 

"Jeff McCann" wrote in message ink.net...
John Scheldroup wrote:
Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life.

John

No disrespect intended, but someone provided you with some really bad information. There are two kinds of strokes, occlusive and
hemorrhagic. The former is a constriction of blood flow to brain tissue, and the latter is bleeding from a weakened or burst blood
vessel within the brain. If you give Aspirin in the latter case, it can seriously worsen the bleeding within the brain.
Stroke-like symptom require rapid intervention, but not before a physician, preferably a neurologist, has determined the cause.
Your best bet is to just call 911.

However, aspirin can be life-saving and should be given immediately (1 regular strength or 4 "baby" aspirin, about 325mg) if a
heart attack is suspected, and the patient is not allergic to aspirin. This is probably what your source was thinking of.

Jeff

Citizen's Petition to FDA

Citizen's Petition Backgrounder Advancing Aspirin's Use to Save Lives

Source: http://www.bayeraspirin.com/hp_citizenfda.htm

1998: The secondary prevention labeling was broadened to include
additional uses and doses, and most importantly recognized the benefits
of aspirin to prevent stroke in women.

Use During Acute MI: In the most dramatic of newly approved uses, the
FDA is recognizing aspirin's potential to reduce the risk of death if taken
as soon as a heart attack is suspected as directed by a physician. The FDA
agreed with research that concluded that as little as one-half (162.5 mg)
of a regular-strength aspirin tablet reduces the risk of death by up to 23
percent if administered when a heart attack is suspected and for 30 days
thereafter.

John

OT - Strokes
 

"John Scheldroup" wrote in message
...

Source: http://www.aspirin-foundation.com/ne...ge/stroke.html

Aspirin and Stroke - a neurologist's viewpoint

Dr Delanty explained that stroke is the third leading cause of death in
the
developed world. It is the commonest neurological disorder causing
permanent
disability in adults. He classified them as ischaemic, haemorrhagic, or
due to
subarachnoid haemorrhage and venous infarction. However, they are not
always easily demarcated. Ischaemic strokes can undergo haemorrhagic
transformation.

About 90% of strokes are ischaemic.

The big concern now, said Dr Delanty was not whether aspirin works - that
has
been proved. It was that it is greatly under-used. In the Scandinavian 4S
trial,
only 37% of the patients who should have been taking aspirin actually were
being prescribed it. He pleaded with doctors to give aspirin to those at
high risk
of cardiovascular events - those with hypertension, hyperlipidaemia,
smokers,
with diabetes, etc.

He also recommended its use in acute non-haemorrhagic stroke.

The CAST/IST/MAST-I trials enrolled 40,000 patients to 160mg or 300mg
aspirin.
One death or stroke was prevented by giving aspirin to each 100 patients
with
acute stroke. It is recognised as part of the standard care of acute
stroke. If given to
every acute stroke patient in Ireland, with about 3,000 strokes per year,
aspirin
would prevent 30 deaths annually. In the United States, with an estimated
750,000 to 1 million strokes per year, the numbers saved would be huge.

John

You want to cut that out? I have to edit that stuff all day long, and I even
write some of it. I stop in here to relax, and what do I see? Ischaemic
strokes (which I have to change to "ischemic strokes" -- damned Brits), CAST
trials, improper spacing between "160" and "mg," and a distinct shortage of
citations and AMA-formatted references.

It gives me dyspepsia. g

--
Ed Huntress

OT - Strokes
 

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:20:23 +1100, Terry Collins
wrote:

Steve W. wrote:
Not completely true. It depends a LOT on location of the clot. After 8
minutes without O2 brain cells start to die.

Correct, but given that humans only use a minor percentage of their
brain, the chances of any significant brain damage occuring is very
minor {:-).




And if its a Liberal...they already have significant brain damage..so
any further may be un noticiable

Gunner


"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

OT - Strokes
 

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ...
"John Scheldroup" wrote in message
...

Source: http://www.aspirin-foundation.com/ne...ge/stroke.html

Aspirin and Stroke - a neurologist's viewpoint

Dr Delanty explained that stroke is the third leading cause of death in
the
developed world. It is the commonest neurological disorder causing
permanent
disability in adults. He classified them as ischaemic, haemorrhagic, or
due to
subarachnoid haemorrhage and venous infarction. However, they are not
always easily demarcated. Ischaemic strokes can undergo haemorrhagic
transformation.

About 90% of strokes are ischaemic.

The big concern now, said Dr Delanty was not whether aspirin works - that
has
been proved. It was that it is greatly under-used. In the Scandinavian 4S
trial,
only 37% of the patients who should have been taking aspirin actually were
being prescribed it. He pleaded with doctors to give aspirin to those at
high risk
of cardiovascular events - those with hypertension, hyperlipidaemia,
smokers,
with diabetes, etc.

He also recommended its use in acute non-haemorrhagic stroke.

The CAST/IST/MAST-I trials enrolled 40,000 patients to 160mg or 300mg
aspirin.
One death or stroke was prevented by giving aspirin to each 100 patients
with
acute stroke. It is recognised as part of the standard care of acute
stroke. If given to
every acute stroke patient in Ireland, with about 3,000 strokes per year,
aspirin
would prevent 30 deaths annually. In the United States, with an estimated
750,000 to 1 million strokes per year, the numbers saved would be huge.

John

You want to cut that out? I have to edit that stuff all day long, and I even
write some of it. I stop in here to relax, and what do I see? Ischaemic
strokes (which I have to change to "ischemic strokes" -- damned Brits), CAST
trials, improper spacing between "160" and "mg," and a distinct shortage of
citations and AMA-formatted references.

It gives me dyspepsia. g

--
Ed Huntress


He shall do unto Cliff what Cliff will do unto others!

Ye Olde English sayings tells it so,
Let us have not speed to gather in a
moments less time, for that which he
seek is the bitter sweet to taste,
That which he let not leave alone,
souls shall feast upon its meal,
That which contains less those greater
parts to piece together, these things
which come to pass shall be his own
bitter revenge! for toughness is so often
difficult to chew.

John

OT - Strokes
 

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:29:23 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:

"Cliff" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:07:47 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:

Come one come all, another medical breakthrough according to Cliff's website.

Think about it ... do you want to make a bleed
into the brain worse?

He also recommended its use in acute non-haemorrhagic stroke.

But NOT in the other !!!

How are you, self-medicating to begin with, to know
which type you have???
--
Cliff

OT - Strokes
 

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:55:19 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

I have to edit that stuff all day long

Welcome back to the entertaining zoo G.
--
Cliff

OT - Strokes
 

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:53:35 -0600, "John Scheldroup"
wrote:

Use During Acute MI: In the most dramatic of newly approved uses, the
FDA is recognizing aspirin's potential to reduce the risk of death if taken
as soon as a heart attack is suspected as directed by a physician. The FDA
agreed with research that concluded that as little as one-half (162.5 mg)
of a regular-strength aspirin tablet reduces the risk of death by up to 23
percent if administered when a heart attack is suspected and for 30 days
thereafter.

But not as self-medication when a stroke is suspected.
--
Cliff

OT - Strokes
 

How does it save my life if a stroke patient swollows asprin?

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..


John Scheldroup wrote:
Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life.

John

OT - Strokes
 

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ...
How does it save my life if a stroke patient swollows asprin?


Oxygen transport.

http://www.pregnancy-info.net/QA/ans...pls_answer_me/


--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
.
.


John Scheldroup wrote:
Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life.

John

OT - Strokes
 

Supposing I'm out with Bill Jones, and he starts having a stroke. He takes a
couple asprin. How does that save Chris Young's life?

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..


"John Scheldroup" wrote in message
et...

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
How does it save my life if a stroke patient swollows asprin?


Oxygen transport.

http://www.pregnancy-info.net/QA/ans...pls_answer_me/


--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
.
.


John Scheldroup wrote:
Get patient to swallow 5-6 81 mg. baby aspirin it could save your life.

John