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I wonder...can machine tools be far behind? Afterall..people make
evil Guns on machine tools....and of course..any manufacturing courses that might give you the skills to make evil guns. And of course..kiss off any job recruiting for companies in the defense industry........ http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...901.shtml?et=y Wednesday, Nov. 9, 2005 8:07 a.m. EST San Francisco Approves Gun, Military Recruiting Ban Voters approved ballot measures to ban handguns in San Francisco and urge the city's public high schools and college campuses to keep out military recruiters. The gun ban prohibits the manufacture and sale of all firearms and ammunition in the city, and makes it illegal for residents to keep handguns in their homes or businesses. Only two other major U.S. cities - Washington and Chicago - have implemented such sweeping handgun bans. With all precincts reporting early Wednesday, 58 percent of voters backed the proposed gun ban while 42 percent opposed it. Story Continues Below Although law enforcement, security guards and others who require weapons for work are exempt from the measure, current handgun owners would have to surrender their firearms by April. A coalition led by the National Rifle Association has said it plans to challenge the initiative in court, arguing that cities do not have the authority to regulate firearms under California law. The military recruitment initiative won with 60 percent in favor and 40 percent against. The measure, dubbed "College Not Combat," opposes the presence of military recruiters at public high schools and colleges. However, it would not ban the armed forces from seeking enlistees at city campuses, since that would put schools at risk of losing federal funding. It encourages city officials and university administrators to exclude recruiters and create scholarships and training programs that would reduce the military's appeal to young adults. "We now have the moral weight of the city behind us, and it's definitely a valuable asset to have in our corner," said Bob Matthews, an activist for the proposition. © 2005 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:14:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote: Only two other major U.S. cities - Washington and Chicago - have implemented such sweeping handgun bans. Washington, DC is governed by the republcan congress IIRC. HTH -- Cliff |
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Sounds great. With no guns or military presense in San Francisco it should
be easy for straight non-asian people to march in there and take it back over. "Gunner" wrote in message ... I wonder...can machine tools be far behind? Afterall..people make evil Guns on machine tools....and of course..any manufacturing courses that might give you the skills to make evil guns. And of course..kiss off any job recruiting for companies in the defense industry........ http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...901.shtml?et=y Wednesday, Nov. 9, 2005 8:07 a.m. EST San Francisco Approves Gun, Military Recruiting Ban Voters approved ballot measures to ban handguns in San Francisco and urge the city's public high schools and college campuses to keep out military recruiters. The gun ban prohibits the manufacture and sale of all firearms and ammunition in the city, and makes it illegal for residents to keep handguns in their homes or businesses. Only two other major U.S. cities - Washington and Chicago - have implemented such sweeping handgun bans. With all precincts reporting early Wednesday, 58 percent of voters backed the proposed gun ban while 42 percent opposed it. Story Continues Below Although law enforcement, security guards and others who require weapons for work are exempt from the measure, current handgun owners would have to surrender their firearms by April. A coalition led by the National Rifle Association has said it plans to challenge the initiative in court, arguing that cities do not have the authority to regulate firearms under California law. The military recruitment initiative won with 60 percent in favor and 40 percent against. The measure, dubbed "College Not Combat," opposes the presence of military recruiters at public high schools and colleges. However, it would not ban the armed forces from seeking enlistees at city campuses, since that would put schools at risk of losing federal funding. It encourages city officials and university administrators to exclude recruiters and create scholarships and training programs that would reduce the military's appeal to young adults. "We now have the moral weight of the city behind us, and it's definitely a valuable asset to have in our corner," said Bob Matthews, an activist for the proposition. © 2005 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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In article , Gunner says...
Only two other major U.S. cities - Washington and Chicago - have implemented such sweeping handgun bans. What about the Sullivan Law in NYC? Basically the same thing. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Cliff wrote:
Washington, DC is governed by the republcan congress IIRC. Bull. Congress has given it "home rule" for a couple decades now. It really has ruled itself - incompetently - ever since. Preparedness necessities! Shop the http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com |
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They should make it mandatory that all Californians carry. Would the gun
death rate exceeded the daily car-crash death rate in CA? ...I don't think so. Teach people how to drive! PS: The riots in France were instigated by the car companies to boost sales! I say we should all get together and burn our wire brushes in protest. (Where are my/your linear rails?) "Gunner" wrote in message ... I wonder...can machine tools be far behind? Afterall..people make evil Guns on machine tools....and of course..any manufacturing courses that might give you the skills to make evil guns. And of course..kiss off any job recruiting for companies in the defense industry........ http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...901.shtml?et=y Wednesday, Nov. 9, 2005 8:07 a.m. EST San Francisco Approves Gun, Military Recruiting Ban Voters approved ballot measures to ban handguns in San Francisco and urge the city's public high schools and college campuses to keep out military recruiters. The gun ban prohibits the manufacture and sale of all firearms and ammunition in the city, and makes it illegal for residents to keep handguns in their homes or businesses. Only two other major U.S. cities - Washington and Chicago - have implemented such sweeping handgun bans. With all precincts reporting early Wednesday, 58 percent of voters backed the proposed gun ban while 42 percent opposed it. Story Continues Below Although law enforcement, security guards and others who require weapons for work are exempt from the measure, current handgun owners would have to surrender their firearms by April. A coalition led by the National Rifle Association has said it plans to challenge the initiative in court, arguing that cities do not have the authority to regulate firearms under California law. The military recruitment initiative won with 60 percent in favor and 40 percent against. The measure, dubbed "College Not Combat," opposes the presence of military recruiters at public high schools and colleges. However, it would not ban the armed forces from seeking enlistees at city campuses, since that would put schools at risk of losing federal funding. It encourages city officials and university administrators to exclude recruiters and create scholarships and training programs that would reduce the military's appeal to young adults. "We now have the moral weight of the city behind us, and it's definitely a valuable asset to have in our corner," said Bob Matthews, an activist for the proposition. © 2005 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:44:05 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote: They should make it mandatory that all Californians carry. Would the gun death rate exceeded the daily car-crash death rate in CA? ...I don't think so. Teach people how to drive! PS: The riots in France were instigated by the car companies to boost sales! I say we should all get together and burn our wire brushes in protest. (Where are my/your linear rails?) You dont have them yet?? Hummmm Ill check on them. Gunner "Gunner" wrote in message .. . I wonder...can machine tools be far behind? Afterall..people make evil Guns on machine tools....and of course..any manufacturing courses that might give you the skills to make evil guns. And of course..kiss off any job recruiting for companies in the defense industry........ http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...901.shtml?et=y Wednesday, Nov. 9, 2005 8:07 a.m. EST San Francisco Approves Gun, Military Recruiting Ban Voters approved ballot measures to ban handguns in San Francisco and urge the city's public high schools and college campuses to keep out military recruiters. The gun ban prohibits the manufacture and sale of all firearms and ammunition in the city, and makes it illegal for residents to keep handguns in their homes or businesses. Only two other major U.S. cities - Washington and Chicago - have implemented such sweeping handgun bans. With all precincts reporting early Wednesday, 58 percent of voters backed the proposed gun ban while 42 percent opposed it. Story Continues Below Although law enforcement, security guards and others who require weapons for work are exempt from the measure, current handgun owners would have to surrender their firearms by April. A coalition led by the National Rifle Association has said it plans to challenge the initiative in court, arguing that cities do not have the authority to regulate firearms under California law. The military recruitment initiative won with 60 percent in favor and 40 percent against. The measure, dubbed "College Not Combat," opposes the presence of military recruiters at public high schools and colleges. However, it would not ban the armed forces from seeking enlistees at city campuses, since that would put schools at risk of losing federal funding. It encourages city officials and university administrators to exclude recruiters and create scholarships and training programs that would reduce the military's appeal to young adults. "We now have the moral weight of the city behind us, and it's definitely a valuable asset to have in our corner," said Bob Matthews, an activist for the proposition. © 2005 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:15:03 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:44:05 GMT, "Tom Gardner" wrote: They should make it mandatory that all Californians carry. Would the gun death rate exceeded the daily car-crash death rate in CA? ...I don't think so. Teach people how to drive! PS: The riots in France were instigated by the car companies to boost sales! I say we should all get together and burn our wire brushes in protest. (Where are my/your linear rails?) You dont have them yet?? Hummmm Ill check on them. Gunner I just called up home, and asked the wife if she had UPS'd em....there was a long pause...and a mumbled Ooops. Sorry Tom..Ill do it myself Gunner "Gunner" wrote in message . .. I wonder...can machine tools be far behind? Afterall..people make evil Guns on machine tools....and of course..any manufacturing courses that might give you the skills to make evil guns. And of course..kiss off any job recruiting for companies in the defense industry........ http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...901.shtml?et=y Wednesday, Nov. 9, 2005 8:07 a.m. EST San Francisco Approves Gun, Military Recruiting Ban Voters approved ballot measures to ban handguns in San Francisco and urge the city's public high schools and college campuses to keep out military recruiters. The gun ban prohibits the manufacture and sale of all firearms and ammunition in the city, and makes it illegal for residents to keep handguns in their homes or businesses. Only two other major U.S. cities - Washington and Chicago - have implemented such sweeping handgun bans. With all precincts reporting early Wednesday, 58 percent of voters backed the proposed gun ban while 42 percent opposed it. Story Continues Below Although law enforcement, security guards and others who require weapons for work are exempt from the measure, current handgun owners would have to surrender their firearms by April. A coalition led by the National Rifle Association has said it plans to challenge the initiative in court, arguing that cities do not have the authority to regulate firearms under California law. The military recruitment initiative won with 60 percent in favor and 40 percent against. The measure, dubbed "College Not Combat," opposes the presence of military recruiters at public high schools and colleges. However, it would not ban the armed forces from seeking enlistees at city campuses, since that would put schools at risk of losing federal funding. It encourages city officials and university administrators to exclude recruiters and create scholarships and training programs that would reduce the military's appeal to young adults. "We now have the moral weight of the city behind us, and it's definitely a valuable asset to have in our corner," said Bob Matthews, an activist for the proposition. © 2005 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:20:09 GMT, Gunner
wrote: I just called up home, and asked the wife You got to keep a phone? http://www.1134.org/blog/images/buddy-doghouse.jpg -- Cliff |
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Another good reason why your average American family should avoid
relocation to San Francisco if they have any common sense. Let the fags and the weenies have it, since San Francisco produces nothing of reak value anyway! It's simply just another seaport. Harry C. |
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Jim, the Sulivan Law in NYC doesn't even come close. Read up on its
provisions if you can't or don't see the difference. See: http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/html/dclm/ldinfo.html Actually, my only problem with the NYC legislation are the excessive licensing fees. Note that is also addresses handguns only. I actually lived in Western NYS for nearly 10 years, and found the state, county, and local governments and laws to be preferable to those here in Massachusetts. In NYS, I had no problem in securing gun permits, or even my license to handle explosives and shoot display fireworks. By contrast, in MA each of these required a political connection to be made. The San Francisco total ban is altogether another issue. Then too, am I the only person who views conditions in California as being totally crazy, and an equally bad place to raise a normal family as Colorado and Texas, where like California, psychos and deviants flourish in mass. Harry C. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Another good reason why your average American family should avoid relocation to San Francisco if they have any common sense. Let the fags and the weenies have it, Have you ever been to Winchester house, Fisherman's wharf or Wax Museum ? http://www.winchestermysteryhouse.com/ since San Francisco produces nothing of reak value anyway! Bible belt perspective about Frisco ? It's simply just another seaport. Do you own or take part in an import business from China, or what the hell would you care anyways about their seaport ? BTW, Bibles are even now made in China, and I know a gay man as just a friend and he now has cancer, I recently helped him move to a new apartment, matter of fact all of the folks that helped him and his mother move to their new apartment were not even Gay, but just liked the both of them as kind human beings that they were Asshole. Harry C. John S. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Another good reason why your average American family should avoid relocation to San Francisco if they have any common sense. Let the fags and the weenies have it, since San Francisco produces nothing of reak value anyway! It's simply just another seaport. A brilliantly reasoned response! What a wonderful contribution you must make to those around you. Peter |
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Gun ban was long ago during the dark years of Clinton.
Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder Cliff wrote: On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:14:00 GMT, Gunner wrote: Only two other major U.S. cities - Washington and Chicago - have implemented such sweeping handgun bans. Washington, DC is governed by the republcan congress IIRC. HTH ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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You mean the Russians ? or the Alaskans ? or just who ?
Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder User Example wrote: Sounds great. With no guns or military presense in San Francisco it should be easy for straight non-asian people to march in there and take it back over. "Gunner" wrote in message ... I wonder...can machine tools be far behind? Afterall..people make evil Guns on machine tools....and of course..any manufacturing courses that might give you the skills to make evil guns. And of course..kiss off any job recruiting for companies in the defense industry........ http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...901.shtml?et=y Wednesday, Nov. 9, 2005 8:07 a.m. EST San Francisco Approves Gun, Military Recruiting Ban Voters approved ballot measures to ban handguns in San Francisco and urge the city's public high schools and college campuses to keep out military recruiters. The gun ban prohibits the manufacture and sale of all firearms and ammunition in the city, and makes it illegal for residents to keep handguns in their homes or businesses. Only two other major U.S. cities - Washington and Chicago - have implemented such sweeping handgun bans. With all precincts reporting early Wednesday, 58 percent of voters backed the proposed gun ban while 42 percent opposed it. Story Continues Below Although law enforcement, security guards and others who require weapons for work are exempt from the measure, current handgun owners would have to surrender their firearms by April. A coalition led by the National Rifle Association has said it plans to challenge the initiative in court, arguing that cities do not have the authority to regulate firearms under California law. The military recruitment initiative won with 60 percent in favor and 40 percent against. The measure, dubbed "College Not Combat," opposes the presence of military recruiters at public high schools and colleges. However, it would not ban the armed forces from seeking enlistees at city campuses, since that would put schools at risk of losing federal funding. It encourages city officials and university administrators to exclude recruiters and create scholarships and training programs that would reduce the military's appeal to young adults. "We now have the moral weight of the city behind us, and it's definitely a valuable asset to have in our corner," said Bob Matthews, an activist for the proposition. © 2005 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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I heard this on the radio: They need to declare one day out of the year
as "Stupid Day." Everyone stays home except stupid people. They would be culled from the population by accidently killing each other. Its like, why do they have the windshield sun-shades that have "Warning - Remove Before Driving" printed on them? There are always stupid people. |
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The Political Prosecution of Rush Limbaugh
Jim Meyers, NewsMax.com Friday, Nov. 11, 2005 It has been more than two years since news first broke that Rush Limbaugh had an addiction to painkillers. That news led to a criminal investigation of Limbaugh by Palm Beach County State Attorney Barry Krischer, who in December 2003 leaked to the media that his office had uncovered evidence of 10 felony counts, including "doctor shopping," money laundering and drug trafficking. Despite the sensational allegations, no charges have been brought. Worse, in the latest round between the State Attorney's office and Limbaugh, Assistant State Attorney James Martz made a startling admission in open court on Tuesday as he sought a court order allowing his office to interview Rush's doctors. Martz told Circuit Court Judge David Crow that his office has "no idea" if Limbaugh had even committed a crime, but still wanted the Florida judge to grant them the extraordinary privilege of interviewing Limbaugh's doctors without his consent. Martz argued essentially that prosecutors were seeking a blank check to question Limbaugh's doctors and invade his privacy – all in search of a crime they admit they have no evidence was ever committed. Martz insists he needs to put basic questions to Limbaugh's doctors. Despite two years of investigation – including an examination of Rush's private medical records – Martz told Judge Crow: "I have no idea if Mr. Limbaugh has completed the elements of any offense yet . . .. unless we can ask several pertinent questions." Earlier this year, Krischer's office won an 18-month legal battle to review Rush's medical records, arguing that these would prove whether he had committed a crime or not. Limbaugh lost at the circuit and appellate court levels, and the Florida Supreme Court declined to hear the case. The records were handed over in July. Apparently, Limbaugh's medical records have not satisfied Krischer. A frustrated Roy Black, Limbaugh's attorney, said in response to the latest skirmish: "They cannot force Mr. Limbaugh to supply their evidence for them." Black argued that confidentiality between a doctor and a patient is a privilege that even criminal investigators cannot penetrate. Judge Crow seemed to agree, telling Martz: "The statue says . .. categorically that the physician shall not discuss or cannot discuss the condition of a patient absent a written waiver. Period." Since 2003, the state has been investigating allegations that Limbaugh illegally stocked up on prescription pain pills from several doctors, a third-degree felony called "doctor shopping." Black has characterized the prosecutors' efforts as a "fishing expedition," and suggested that Limbaugh is being singled out because of his conservative political views. Black said in an interview, when asked if Rush was being singled out: "Of all the millions of people addicted to painkillers, have you ever seen their doctors being subpoenaed? . . . They're trying to publicly embarrass him and ruin his radio program." In fact, the Palm Beach Post, a paper with a strong anti-Limbaugh editorial bent, noted in March 2004 that doctor shopping has very rarely been prosecuted in this State Attorney's jurisdiction. Black also made the point that it's almost unheard of for prosecutors to charge addicts with a crime after they go through rehabilitation. Soon after publicly admitting his addiction, Limbaugh went public with his problem and entered an Arizona facility. He successfully completed the program and has been on the air broadcasting ever since. Limbaugh also revealed that his addiction began after he underwent corrective back surgery and his doctor prescribed painkillers. "Normally, people with drug dependencies who acknowledge their problems and seek treatment are lauded for their courage, not prosecuted," Black wrote in the Wall Street Journal. "So am I wrong to wonder if something is out of whack when the Palm Beach County State Attorney pulls out all the stops in an effort to nail Rush?" Black has revealed that initially Krischer planned on treating Limbaugh as his office treats similar cases and not prosecuting. But that abruptly changed when Limbaugh's stature brought publicity to the case and led to an organized e-mail campaign from Limbaugh detractors to Krischer demanding a political prosecution. Krischer, a Democrat first elected to his post in 1992, had developed a reputation as being fair-minded. But a careful examination of the facts suggests politics may be playing a larger role, and his prosecution is based on a flimsy case of doctor shopping. Krischer's office has already leaked to the local press confidential details of Rush's medical records, including claims he obtained thousands of pills from several doctors. But Black contends that information is nothing more than an effort to smear Limbaugh and that there has been no doctor shopping on Limbaugh's part. "The prescription records that are in the search warrant affidavits should be put in perspective," he maintained in a statement issued in July. "Of the 2,130 pills prescribed, only 1,863 were painkillers, and of those only 1,733 were for hydrocodone. These were to be taken over a period of 217 days, from the date of the first prescription until 30 days from the date of the last prescription. "The dose averages out to a little over eight pills a day, which is not excessive and is in fact a lawful dose. "Nine-two percent of the pain medication was prescribed by two doctors who were treating Mr. Limbaugh for back pain. They work in the same office from the same medical file, and there could be no doctor shopping between them . . . "We continue to believe that Mr. Limbaugh is being pursued by overzealous prosecutors and that he should not be charged with any crime. "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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The following article is mistitled, it should have said: A Political Defense
of Rush Limbaugh. If this is what NewsMax considers a fair and balanced article they've got real problems. Everything in this article is intended to defend and improve the appearance of Limbaugh and is not a fair reporting of the facts. Using the arguments of Roy Black, Limbaugh's attorney, for anything is a joke. In case anyone doesn't know it, everything one's defense attorney says has only one purpose; to make his client look innocent. It should therefore be ignored, more or less. All I read is one excuse after another why Limbaugh is not guilty of doctor shopping. After hearing so many excuses for Limbaugh's buying so much oxycontin from street dealers and obtaining multiple prescriptions for the same only a total fool would not know what Limbaugh was up to. But I'll make it simple. Rush was scoring as many drugs as he could get so he could get as high as he wanted. The only question is whether any prosecutor can win a case in a country where people like Robert Blake and O.J. Simpson go scott free in spite of mountains of evidence against them, and sources like NewsMax have no function other than to aid people they are politically aligned with instead of reporting the facts. The Political Prosecution of Rush Limbaugh Jim Meyers, NewsMax.com Friday, Nov. 11, 2005 It has been more than two years since news first broke that Rush Limbaugh had an addiction to painkillers. That news led to a criminal investigation of Limbaugh by Palm Beach County State Attorney Barry Krischer, who in December 2003 leaked to the media that his office had uncovered evidence of 10 felony counts, including "doctor shopping," money laundering and drug trafficking. Despite the sensational allegations, no charges have been brought. Worse, in the latest round between the State Attorney's office and Limbaugh, Assistant State Attorney James Martz made a startling admission in open court on Tuesday as he sought a court order allowing his office to interview Rush's doctors. Martz told Circuit Court Judge David Crow that his office has "no idea" if Limbaugh had even committed a crime, but still wanted the Florida judge to grant them the extraordinary privilege of interviewing Limbaugh's doctors without his consent. Martz argued essentially that prosecutors were seeking a blank check to question Limbaugh's doctors and invade his privacy - all in search of a crime they admit they have no evidence was ever committed. Martz insists he needs to put basic questions to Limbaugh's doctors. Despite two years of investigation - including an examination of Rush's private medical records - Martz told Judge Crow: "I have no idea if Mr. Limbaugh has completed the elements of any offense yet . . . unless we can ask several pertinent questions." Earlier this year, Krischer's office won an 18-month legal battle to review Rush's medical records, arguing that these would prove whether he had committed a crime or not. Limbaugh lost at the circuit and appellate court levels, and the Florida Supreme Court declined to hear the case. The records were handed over in July. Apparently, Limbaugh's medical records have not satisfied Krischer. A frustrated Roy Black, Limbaugh's attorney, said in response to the latest skirmish: "They cannot force Mr. Limbaugh to supply their evidence for them." Black argued that confidentiality between a doctor and a patient is a privilege that even criminal investigators cannot penetrate. Judge Crow seemed to agree, telling Martz: "The statue says . .. categorically that the physician shall not discuss or cannot discuss the condition of a patient absent a written waiver. Period." Since 2003, the state has been investigating allegations that Limbaugh illegally stocked up on prescription pain pills from several doctors, a third-degree felony called "doctor shopping." Black has characterized the prosecutors' efforts as a "fishing expedition," and suggested that Limbaugh is being singled out because of his conservative political views. Black said in an interview, when asked if Rush was being singled out: "Of all the millions of people addicted to painkillers, have you ever seen their doctors being subpoenaed? . . . They're trying to publicly embarrass him and ruin his radio program." In fact, the Palm Beach Post, a paper with a strong anti-Limbaugh editorial bent, noted in March 2004 that doctor shopping has very rarely been prosecuted in this State Attorney's jurisdiction. Black also made the point that it's almost unheard of for prosecutors to charge addicts with a crime after they go through rehabilitation. Soon after publicly admitting his addiction, Limbaugh went public with his problem and entered an Arizona facility. He successfully completed the program and has been on the air broadcasting ever since. Limbaugh also revealed that his addiction began after he underwent corrective back surgery and his doctor prescribed painkillers. "Normally, people with drug dependencies who acknowledge their problems and seek treatment are lauded for their courage, not prosecuted," Black wrote in the Wall Street Journal. "So am I wrong to wonder if something is out of whack when the Palm Beach County State Attorney pulls out all the stops in an effort to nail Rush?" Black has revealed that initially Krischer planned on treating Limbaugh as his office treats similar cases and not prosecuting. But that abruptly changed when Limbaugh's stature brought publicity to the case and led to an organized e-mail campaign from Limbaugh detractors to Krischer demanding a political prosecution. Krischer, a Democrat first elected to his post in 1992, had developed a reputation as being fair-minded. But a careful examination of the facts suggests politics may be playing a larger role, and his prosecution is based on a flimsy case of doctor shopping. Krischer's office has already leaked to the local press confidential details of Rush's medical records, including claims he obtained thousands of pills from several doctors. But Black contends that information is nothing more than an effort to smear Limbaugh and that there has been no doctor shopping on Limbaugh's part. "The prescription records that are in the search warrant affidavits should be put in perspective," he maintained in a statement issued in July. "Of the 2,130 pills prescribed, only 1,863 were painkillers, and of those only 1,733 were for hydrocodone. These were to be taken over a period of 217 days, from the date of the first prescription until 30 days from the date of the last prescription. "The dose averages out to a little over eight pills a day, which is not excessive and is in fact a lawful dose. "Nine-two percent of the pain medication was prescribed by two doctors who were treating Mr. Limbaugh for back pain. They work in the same office from the same medical file, and there could be no doctor shopping between them . . . "We continue to believe that Mr. Limbaugh is being pursued by overzealous prosecutors and that he should not be charged with any crime. "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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Cliff wrote: Washington, DC is governed by the republcan congress IIRC. Bull. Congress has given it "home rule" for a couple decades now. It really has ruled itself - incompetently - ever since. Just like Detroit. No Republican even bothers to run there. Wes -- Reply to: Whiskey Echo Sierra Sierra AT Alpha Charlie Echo Golf Romeo Oscar Paul dot Charlie Charlie Lycos address is a spam trap. |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:14:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote: people with drug dependencies Is he in jail for 20 years like he sez others should be yet? Or did they hang him instead? -- Cliff |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:10:49 -0800, "Hawke"
wrote: The only question is whether any prosecutor can win a case in a country where people like Robert Blake and O.J. Simpson go scott free in spite of mountains of evidence against them The planted blood & such against Simpson? What about Blake? -- Cliff |
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Gunner wrote:
The Political Prosecution of Rush Limbaugh Jim Meyers, NewsMax.com snip swill http://www.snopes.com/military/limbaugh.htm -- My deepest gratitude goes out to all who served. jeff |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:17:41 GMT, jeff
wrote: Gunner wrote: The Political Prosecution of Rush Limbaugh Jim Meyers, NewsMax.com snip swill http://www.snopes.com/military/limbaugh.htm -- Yes,,,and? http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/politics/clintondraft.asp "That Bill Clinton went to great lengths to avoid the Vietnam-era draft, that he used political connections to obtain special favors, and that he made promises and commitments which he later failed to honor, are all beyond dispute." My deepest gratitude goes out to all who served. jeff your welcome. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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Gunner wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:17:41 GMT, jeff wrote: Gunner wrote: The Political Prosecution of Rush Limbaugh Jim Meyers, NewsMax.com snip swill http://www.snopes.com/military/limbaugh.htm -- Yes,,,and? And it just grates my ass that you see fit parade this chicken hawk piece of **** around on Veteran's day. -- jeff |
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"jeff" wrote in message news:eD4df.683$w85.421@trnddc02... And it just grates my ass that you see fit parade this chicken hawk piece of **** around on Veteran's day. http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu...11/175179.html |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:35:06 GMT, jeff
wrote: Gunner wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:17:41 GMT, jeff wrote: Gunner wrote: The Political Prosecution of Rush Limbaugh Jim Meyers, NewsMax.com snip swill http://www.snopes.com/military/limbaugh.htm -- Yes,,,and? And it just grates my ass that you see fit parade this chicken hawk piece of **** around on Veteran's day. Your opinion, is noted. You also fail to note, that for good or bad..Rush is directly responsible for the Conservative Revolution, and the removal of Liberals from power across the United States for the foreseable future. Now where was your outrage when you voted for Bubba, and he sent our boys and girls off to war so many times during his administration. And then of course..where was your outrage during the Normandy photo op..where he finds the cross of rocks in the surf? I noticed also..that you snipped out this bit from my post...was there some reason you did that? http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/politics/clintondraft.asp "That Bill Clinton went to great lengths to avoid the Vietnam-era draft, that he used political connections to obtain special favors, and that he made promises and commitments which he later failed to honor, are all beyond dispute." Not a little Partisan, are you??? G Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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Gunner wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:35:06 GMT, jeff wrote: Gunner wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:17:41 GMT, jeff wrote: Gunner wrote: The Political Prosecution of Rush Limbaugh Jim Meyers, NewsMax.com snip swill http://www.snopes.com/military/limbaugh.htm Yes,,,and? And it just grates my ass that you see fit parade this chicken hawk piece of **** around on Veteran's day. Your opinion, is noted. You also fail to note, that for good or bad..Rush is directly responsible for the Conservative Revolution, and the removal of Liberals from power across the United States for the foreseable future. In his wet dreams perhaps..... Now where was your outrage when you voted for Bubba, and he sent our boys and girls off to war so many times during his administration. You are making assumptions based on no evidence. I never voted for Clinton. BTW, I work with someone who served in Bosnia and based on his experiences we should have been there earlier, but better late than never. And then of course..where was your outrage during the Normandy photo op..where he finds the cross of rocks in the surf? I noticed also..that you snipped out this bit from my post...was there some reason you did that? http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/politics/clintondraft.asp "That Bill Clinton went to great lengths to avoid the Vietnam-era draft, that he used political connections to obtain special favors, and that he made promises and commitments which he later failed to honor, are all beyond dispute." Not a little Partisan, are you??? G Not at all, Chicken hawks are the same no matter which party they belong to. Just like daddy Bush when got a slot in the guards baby Bush. BTW, you still haven't gotten over that Monica envy??? It's been what, like 10 years! Anyway, I'd rather see a president jizzing over some intern than them trying to do the same to our constitution. -- jeff |
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John Scheldroup wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... Another good reason why your average American family should avoid relocation to San Francisco if they have any common sense. Let the fags and the weenies have it, Have you ever been to Winchester house, Fisherman's wharf or Wax Museum ? http://www.winchestermysteryhouse.com/ When was the Winchester House moved to Than Franthiffco? since San Francisco produces nothing of reak value anyway! Bible belt perspective about Frisco ? It's simply just another seaport. Do you own or take part in an import business from China, or what the hell would you care anyways about their seaport ? BTW, Bibles are even now made in China, and I know a gay man as just a friend and he now has cancer, I recently helped him move to a new apartment, matter of fact all of the folks that helped him and his mother move to their new apartment were not even Gay, but just liked the both of them as kind human beings that they were Asshole. Harry C. John S. |
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"michael" wrote in message ... John Scheldroup wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Another good reason why your average American family should avoid relocation to San Francisco if they have any common sense. Let the fags and the weenies have it, Have you ever been to Winchester house, Fisherman's wharf or Wax Museum ? http://www.winchestermysteryhouse.com/ When was the Winchester House moved to Than Franthiffco? What do you mean, do you got something against Gay persons, what if I were Gay does that bother you just talking to me ? John |
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"John Scheldroup" wrote in message et... "michael" wrote in message ... John Scheldroup wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Another good reason why your average American family should avoid relocation to San Francisco if they have any common sense. Let the fags and the weenies have it, Have you ever been to Winchester house, Fisherman's wharf or Wax Museum ? http://www.winchestermysteryhouse.com/ When was the Winchester House moved to Than Franthiffco? What do you mean, do you got something against Gay persons, what if I were Gay does that bother you just talking to me ? Gays are okay in my book... Just that I can't stand for them goddamned faggots is all. -- SVL |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:14:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote: I wonder...can machine tools be far behind? Afterall..people make evil Guns on machine tools....and of course..any manufacturing courses that might give you the skills to make evil guns. And of course..kiss off any job recruiting for companies in the defense industry........ Apparently that idea has been proposed in the U.K.(See Model Engineers Workshop Editorial in one of the last two issues). Some bright bulb believes that it will stem the tide of gun related crime if they register machine tools to prevent the conversion of "replicas" and demiled firearms to operational condition. Of course they are far ahead of us in "Social Responsibility" so we should probably try to catch up. (Seem to recall that Hitler instituted registration of machine tools, but can't find substantiation.) Gary Hallenbeck "They can have my Bridgeport when they pry it from my cold dead hands" (Which comes after the ammo runs for my converted Air Soft AK "assault rifle") |
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On 10 Nov 2005 21:09:18 -0800, "E.B." wrote:
I heard this on the radio: They need to declare one day out of the year as "Stupid Day." Everyone stays home except stupid people. They would be culled from the population by accidently killing each other. Its like, why do they have the windshield sun-shades that have "Warning - Remove Before Driving" printed on them? There are always stupid people. I think MacDonald's should have two urns of coffee now, one for stupid people and one for everybody else. The one for the stupid people should be cold and the other one can be hot. That way the stupid people won't burn themselves if they buy a cup and spill it on themselves. ;) |
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I don't have anything against gay people. I am not afraid to be around
them, so I am not diagnosed as being homophobic. I just simply am disgusted at their habit and it makes me want to vomit. It is natural for people to be afraid of gays. The term "homophobia," was created as an excuse to try and make homosexuals "acceptable" by society. |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:28:19 GMT, jeff
wrote: Gunner wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:35:06 GMT, jeff wrote: Gunner wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:17:41 GMT, jeff wrote: Gunner wrote: The Political Prosecution of Rush Limbaugh Jim Meyers, NewsMax.com snip swill http://www.snopes.com/military/limbaugh.htm Yes,,,and? And it just grates my ass that you see fit parade this chicken hawk piece of **** around on Veteran's day. Your opinion, is noted. You also fail to note, that for good or bad..Rush is directly responsible for the Conservative Revolution, and the removal of Liberals from power across the United States for the foreseable future. In his wet dreams perhaps..... Denial doesnt look good on you. But hey...its your fantasy..enjoy it. Now where was your outrage when you voted for Bubba, and he sent our boys and girls off to war so many times during his administration. You are making assumptions based on no evidence. I never voted for Clinton. BTW, I work with someone who served in Bosnia and based on his experiences we should have been there earlier, but better late than never. Odd..thats what the lads I know who are currently serving in Iraq say. And then of course..where was your outrage during the Normandy photo op..where he finds the cross of rocks in the surf? I noticed also..that you snipped out this bit from my post...was there some reason you did that? http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/politics/clintondraft.asp "That Bill Clinton went to great lengths to avoid the Vietnam-era draft, that he used political connections to obtain special favors, and that he made promises and commitments which he later failed to honor, are all beyond dispute." Not a little Partisan, are you??? G Not at all, Chicken hawks are the same no matter which party they belong to. Just like daddy Bush when got a slot in the guards baby Bush. BTW, you still haven't gotten over that Monica envy??? It's been what, like 10 years! Anyway, I'd rather see a president jizzing over some intern than them trying to do the same to our constitution. Which Chickenhawk are you referring to, Jody? Gunner, RVN 71-73 "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On 11 Nov 2005 22:35:00 -0800, "E.B."
wrote: I don't have anything against gay people. I am not afraid to be around them, so I am not diagnosed as being homophobic. I just simply am disgusted at their habit and it makes me want to vomit. It is natural for people to be afraid of gays. The term "homophobia," was created as an excuse to try and make homosexuals "acceptable" by society. Odd..Im not afraid of gays. Nor am I homophobic. Does that mean Im unnatural? Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:40:00 -0800, "Scott"
wrote: "jeff" wrote in message news:eD4df.683$w85.421@trnddc02... And it just grates my ass that you see fit parade this chicken hawk piece of **** around on Veteran's day. http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu...11/175179.html Just one pack of blatent lies to justify another, right? Found those "WMDs" yet? How about the Doctrine of a Just War? How about the Geneva Conventions, the US Constitution or the UN Charter? http://www.nhgazette.com/news/chicke..._headquarters/ HTH -- Cliff |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:46:25 GMT, Gunner
wrote: Rush is directly responsible for the Conservative Revolution, and the removal of Liberals from power across the United States for the foreseable future. http://www.nhgazette.com/news/chicke..._head_brigade/ HTH -- Cliff |
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"E.B." wrote in message oups.com... I don't have anything against gay people. I am not afraid to be around them, so I am not diagnosed as being homophobic. I just simply am disgusted at their habit and it makes me want to vomit. It is natural for people to be afraid of gays. The term "homophobia," was created as an excuse to try and make homosexuals "acceptable" by society. I don't have anything against Mexicans, is it true of a mid 30's 100% white male with blue eyes, blond hair should be afraid to be standing within a few feet of mean looking Mexicans while standing at the same isle of Wal-Mart in any big city ?. Homophobia not knowing many if any poor hard working Mexicans, or perhaps ignorance and paranoia ? John |
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