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OT-Got to love the Liberals
Al Franken, Hillary, Kennedy, Caught!
Jim Meyers Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2005 A new book by a top investigative journalist exposes the blatant hypocrisy of liberals who loudly espouse principles they disregard in their own personal lives. In "Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy," Hoover Fellow Peter Schweizer reveals the glaring contradictions between the public stances and real-life behavior of prominent liberals including Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy, Al Franken, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Ralph Nader – among others. "Hypocrisy has proved to be a wonderful weapon for liberals in their war against conservatives," Schweizer writes in the November issue of NewsMax Magazine. "Yet for all the talk about conservative hypocrisy, there has been very little investigation into the prevalence of hypocrisy on the left." After two years of research into liberal hypocrisy, Schweizer said, "what I discovered was just stunning." Schweizer's well-annotated book, published by Doubleday, has just been released and its sure to turn several well-known liberals red with anger. Among the eye-opening revelations of "Do As I Say": # Filmmaker Michael Moore insists that corporations are evil and claims he doesn't invest in the stock market due to moral principle. But Moore's IRS forms, viewed by Schweizer, show that over the past five years he has owned shares in such corporate giants as Halliburton, Merck, Pfizer, Sunoco, Tenet Healthcare, Ford, General Electric and McDonald's. # Staunch union supporter Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) has received the Cesar Chavez Award from the United Farmworkers Union. But the $25 million Northern California vineyard she and her husband own is a non-union shop. The hypocrisy doesn't end there. Pelosi has received more money from the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees union than any other member of Congress in recent election cycles. But the Pelosis own a large stake in an exclusive hotel in Rutherford, Calif. It has more than 250 employees. But none of them are in a union, according to Schweizer, author of "The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty" and a regular contributor to the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and other periodicals. The Pelosis are also partners in a restaurant chain called Piatti, which has 900 employees. The chain is – that's right, a non-union shop. # Ralph Nader is another liberal who claims that unions are essential to protect worker rights. But when an editor of one of his publications tried to form a union to ameliorate miserable working conditions, the editor was fired and the locks changed on the office door. # Self-described socialist Noam Chomsky has described the Pentagon as "the most vile institution on the face of the earth" and lashed out against tax havens and trusts that benefit only the rich. But Chomsky has been paid millions of dollars by the Pentagon over the last 40 years, and he used a venerable law firm to set up his irrevocable trust to shield his assets from the IRS. # Air America radio host Al Franken says conservatives are racist because they lack diversity and oppose affirmative action. But fewer than 1 percent of the people he has hired over the past 15 years have been African-American. # Ted Kennedy has fought for the estate tax and spoken out against tax shelters. But he has repeatedly benefited from an intricate web of trusts and private foundations that have shielded most of his family's fortune from the IRS. One Kennedy family trust wasn't even set up in the U.S., but in Fiji. Another family member, environmentalist Robert Kennedy Jr., has said that it is not moral to profit from natural resources. But he receives an annual check from the family's large holdings in the oil industry. # Barbra Streisand has talked about the necessity of unions to protect a "living wage." But she prefers to do her filming and postproduction work in Canada, where she can pay less than American union wages. # Bill and Hillary Clinton have spoken in favor of the estate tax, and in 2000 Bill vetoed a bill seeking to end it. But the Clintons have set up a contract trust that allows them to substantially reduce the amount of inheritance tax their estate will pay when they die. Hillary, for her part, has written and spoken extensively about the right of children to make major decisions regarding their own lives. But she barred 13-year-old daughter Chelsea from getting her ears pierced and forbid the teen from watching MTV or HBO. # Billionaire Bush-basher George Soros says the wealthy should pay higher, more progressive tax rates. But he holds the bulk of his money in tax-free overseas accounts in Curacao, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. Schweizer writes: "Liberals claim to support affirmative action but don't practice it. They support higher taxes but set up complicated tax shelters to avoid paying them. They claim to be ardent environmentalists but abandon their cause when it impinges on their own property rights. "The reality is that liberals like to preach in moral platitudes. They like to condemn ordinary Americans and Republicans for a whole host of things - racism, lack of concern for the poor, polluting the environment, and greed. "But when it comes to applying those same standards to themselves, liberals are found to be shockingly guilty of hypocrisy. "The media and the American people need to hold them accountable." "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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Oh, my! The liberals aren't perfect??!!! Thanks for the news flash.
Is this permission for the conservatives to continue their hypocrisy? "Hey they're doin it too, we don't have to stop!" "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Al Franken, Hillary, Kennedy, Caught! Jim Meyers Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2005 A new book by a top investigative journalist exposes the blatant hypocrisy of liberals who loudly espouse principles they disregard in their own personal lives. In "Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy," Hoover Fellow Peter Schweizer reveals the glaring contradictions between the public stances and real-life behavior of prominent liberals including Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy, Al Franken, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Ralph Nader - among others. "Hypocrisy has proved to be a wonderful weapon for liberals in their war against conservatives," Schweizer writes in the November issue of NewsMax Magazine. "Yet for all the talk about conservative hypocrisy, there has been very little investigation into the prevalence of hypocrisy on the left." After two years of research into liberal hypocrisy, Schweizer said, "what I discovered was just stunning." Schweizer's well-annotated book, published by Doubleday, has just been released and its sure to turn several well-known liberals red with anger. Among the eye-opening revelations of "Do As I Say": # Filmmaker Michael Moore insists that corporations are evil and claims he doesn't invest in the stock market due to moral principle. But Moore's IRS forms, viewed by Schweizer, show that over the past five years he has owned shares in such corporate giants as Halliburton, Merck, Pfizer, Sunoco, Tenet Healthcare, Ford, General Electric and McDonald's. # Staunch union supporter Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) has received the Cesar Chavez Award from the United Farmworkers Union. But the $25 million Northern California vineyard she and her husband own is a non-union shop. The hypocrisy doesn't end there. Pelosi has received more money from the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees union than any other member of Congress in recent election cycles. But the Pelosis own a large stake in an exclusive hotel in Rutherford, Calif. It has more than 250 employees. But none of them are in a union, according to Schweizer, author of "The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty" and a regular contributor to the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and other periodicals. The Pelosis are also partners in a restaurant chain called Piatti, which has 900 employees. The chain is - that's right, a non-union shop. # Ralph Nader is another liberal who claims that unions are essential to protect worker rights. But when an editor of one of his publications tried to form a union to ameliorate miserable working conditions, the editor was fired and the locks changed on the office door. # Self-described socialist Noam Chomsky has described the Pentagon as "the most vile institution on the face of the earth" and lashed out against tax havens and trusts that benefit only the rich. But Chomsky has been paid millions of dollars by the Pentagon over the last 40 years, and he used a venerable law firm to set up his irrevocable trust to shield his assets from the IRS. # Air America radio host Al Franken says conservatives are racist because they lack diversity and oppose affirmative action. But fewer than 1 percent of the people he has hired over the past 15 years have been African-American. # Ted Kennedy has fought for the estate tax and spoken out against tax shelters. But he has repeatedly benefited from an intricate web of trusts and private foundations that have shielded most of his family's fortune from the IRS. One Kennedy family trust wasn't even set up in the U.S., but in Fiji. Another family member, environmentalist Robert Kennedy Jr., has said that it is not moral to profit from natural resources. But he receives an annual check from the family's large holdings in the oil industry. # Barbra Streisand has talked about the necessity of unions to protect a "living wage." But she prefers to do her filming and postproduction work in Canada, where she can pay less than American union wages. # Bill and Hillary Clinton have spoken in favor of the estate tax, and in 2000 Bill vetoed a bill seeking to end it. But the Clintons have set up a contract trust that allows them to substantially reduce the amount of inheritance tax their estate will pay when they die. Hillary, for her part, has written and spoken extensively about the right of children to make major decisions regarding their own lives. But she barred 13-year-old daughter Chelsea from getting her ears pierced and forbid the teen from watching MTV or HBO. # Billionaire Bush-basher George Soros says the wealthy should pay higher, more progressive tax rates. But he holds the bulk of his money in tax-free overseas accounts in Curacao, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. Schweizer writes: "Liberals claim to support affirmative action but don't practice it. They support higher taxes but set up complicated tax shelters to avoid paying them. They claim to be ardent environmentalists but abandon their cause when it impinges on their own property rights. "The reality is that liberals like to preach in moral platitudes. They like to condemn ordinary Americans and Republicans for a whole host of things - racism, lack of concern for the poor, polluting the environment, and greed. "But when it comes to applying those same standards to themselves, liberals are found to be shockingly guilty of hypocrisy. "The media and the American people need to hold them accountable." "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
OT-Got to love the Liberals
So that's stuff any intelligent person knew over thirty years ago.
Nothing has changed. Kennedy, with all his craving for justice should have served time over the Chappaquidic incident. Bugs |
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On 2 Nov 2005 05:31:45 -0800, "Bugs" wrote:
snip Kennedy, with all his craving for justice should have served time over the Chappaquidic incident. By his standards, Kennedy did a good deed at Chappaquiddick. He supports gun control, and drowning people prevents future gun deaths. Liberals disagree amongst themselves on many issues, but they all share one core value: "The ends justify the means." "I hate (expletive) loaded guns and I will blow this building up." - gun control advocate Johnny Ray Gobin, threatening a Florida National Guardsman at the Naples Florida airport, 22 February 2002. source: "Man faces charges in threat at airport", The News-Press (of Florida), 23 February 2002 -- Emergency preparedness and survival information: http://www.tincher.to/ |
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In article , Rex Tincher says...
Liberals disagree amongst themselves on many issues, but they all share one core value: "The ends justify the means." Sounds like a justification for ollie north's crimes. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Eide wrote: Oh, my! The liberals aren't perfect??!!! Thanks for the news flash. Is this permission for the conservatives to continue their hypocrisy? "Hey they're doin it too, we don't have to stop!" Gads, but you tofu sucking liberals are such weasels. Strider "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Al Franken, Hillary, Kennedy, Caught! Jim Meyers Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2005 A new book by a top investigative journalist exposes the blatant hypocrisy of liberals who loudly espouse principles they disregard in their own personal lives. In "Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy," Hoover Fellow Peter Schweizer reveals the glaring contradictions between the public stances and real-life behavior of prominent liberals including Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy, Al Franken, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Ralph Nader - among others. "Hypocrisy has proved to be a wonderful weapon for liberals in their war against conservatives," Schweizer writes in the November issue of NewsMax Magazine. "Yet for all the talk about conservative hypocrisy, there has been very little investigation into the prevalence of hypocrisy on the left." After two years of research into liberal hypocrisy, Schweizer said, "what I discovered was just stunning." Schweizer's well-annotated book, published by Doubleday, has just been released and its sure to turn several well-known liberals red with anger. Among the eye-opening revelations of "Do As I Say": # Filmmaker Michael Moore insists that corporations are evil and claims he doesn't invest in the stock market due to moral principle. But Moore's IRS forms, viewed by Schweizer, show that over the past five years he has owned shares in such corporate giants as Halliburton, Merck, Pfizer, Sunoco, Tenet Healthcare, Ford, General Electric and McDonald's. # Staunch union supporter Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) has received the Cesar Chavez Award from the United Farmworkers Union. But the $25 million Northern California vineyard she and her husband own is a non-union shop. The hypocrisy doesn't end there. Pelosi has received more money from the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees union than any other member of Congress in recent election cycles. But the Pelosis own a large stake in an exclusive hotel in Rutherford, Calif. It has more than 250 employees. But none of them are in a union, according to Schweizer, author of "The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty" and a regular contributor to the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and other periodicals. The Pelosis are also partners in a restaurant chain called Piatti, which has 900 employees. The chain is - that's right, a non-union shop. # Ralph Nader is another liberal who claims that unions are essential to protect worker rights. But when an editor of one of his publications tried to form a union to ameliorate miserable working conditions, the editor was fired and the locks changed on the office door. # Self-described socialist Noam Chomsky has described the Pentagon as "the most vile institution on the face of the earth" and lashed out against tax havens and trusts that benefit only the rich. But Chomsky has been paid millions of dollars by the Pentagon over the last 40 years, and he used a venerable law firm to set up his irrevocable trust to shield his assets from the IRS. # Air America radio host Al Franken says conservatives are racist because they lack diversity and oppose affirmative action. But fewer than 1 percent of the people he has hired over the past 15 years have been African-American. # Ted Kennedy has fought for the estate tax and spoken out against tax shelters. But he has repeatedly benefited from an intricate web of trusts and private foundations that have shielded most of his family's fortune from the IRS. One Kennedy family trust wasn't even set up in the U.S., but in Fiji. Another family member, environmentalist Robert Kennedy Jr., has said that it is not moral to profit from natural resources. But he receives an annual check from the family's large holdings in the oil industry. # Barbra Streisand has talked about the necessity of unions to protect a "living wage." But she prefers to do her filming and postproduction work in Canada, where she can pay less than American union wages. # Bill and Hillary Clinton have spoken in favor of the estate tax, and in 2000 Bill vetoed a bill seeking to end it. But the Clintons have set up a contract trust that allows them to substantially reduce the amount of inheritance tax their estate will pay when they die. Hillary, for her part, has written and spoken extensively about the right of children to make major decisions regarding their own lives. But she barred 13-year-old daughter Chelsea from getting her ears pierced and forbid the teen from watching MTV or HBO. # Billionaire Bush-basher George Soros says the wealthy should pay higher, more progressive tax rates. But he holds the bulk of his money in tax-free overseas accounts in Curacao, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. Schweizer writes: "Liberals claim to support affirmative action but don't practice it. They support higher taxes but set up complicated tax shelters to avoid paying them. They claim to be ardent environmentalists but abandon their cause when it impinges on their own property rights. "The reality is that liberals like to preach in moral platitudes. They like to condemn ordinary Americans and Republicans for a whole host of things - racism, lack of concern for the poor, polluting the environment, and greed. "But when it comes to applying those same standards to themselves, liberals are found to be shockingly guilty of hypocrisy. "The media and the American people need to hold them accountable." "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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Excellent.
Figgers Moore would own stock in McDonalds. It is occasionally true that the workers in non-union shops are better off than their union counterparts. Some employers will remunerate employees such that the employees will *not opt* for unionization, as they are fairing a bit better w/o the union/union dues. Whether that's the case w/ Pelosi remains to be seen. It proly is not. But the possibility exists. Unions are no panacea. In the immediate picture, an employer who keeps a union out thru "matching+", if you will, is proly doing everyone involved a favor. OTOH, in the bigger/longer picture, mebbe this "union erosion via employer benevolence" may be unhealthy for the total workforce, as union's need their own critical mass to be effective, corrupt pita's that they themselves are. Their spectre, at the very least, is important, as history as fairly-well shown. As Bugs pointed out, this stuff is, at least in hindsight, obvious. But still I think it is a good kick-in-the-pants to have it pointed out. However, more important than any hypocrisy is what Pelosi is *actually doing for the unions*, outside of her own immediate interests. It is possible that she really is a helpful force. Ditto the other acts of hypocrisy. There is a big difference between being a hypocrit and a traitor. What opened my eyes was the tidbit that there are more pharmaceutical lobbyists on capitol hill than there are legislators. And that's just pharmacy. This is in fact treason, the selling out of Us to Them. Of course, we (us) only voted. They (them) actually paid. (Taxes don't count.) How 'bout Hoover, my fav. cross-dressing homophobe.... goodgawd.... Is it true he did high heels, too?? Which is why I invite everyone to indeed join my butting political party, the Independent Party of the Proctologically Violated, which is basically every effing person on this effing planet working for an effing living, regardless of credo or political affiliation, incarcerated or not, taste in cross-dressing, etc. I will be running for Pres on this ticket. Many will say, Yeah, but you too will be PV'ing the (m)asses as well, after you have sold yer own ass to win. To which I would say, 1. Considering the state of my ass, I could never sell it--talk to my doc; and 2. Even if I did sell it, my dick is only 9.75" long, so the PV'g I would deliver would be *mild* compared to the average 18" you are getting shoved in you by the incumbent mastiffs locally and on capitol hill right now. Regardless of political party. I would be honored if Grant Erwin would be my VP. ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Al Franken, Hillary, Kennedy, Caught! Jim Meyers Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2005 A new book by a top investigative journalist exposes the blatant hypocrisy of liberals who loudly espouse principles they disregard in their own personal lives. In "Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy," Hoover Fellow Peter Schweizer reveals the glaring contradictions between the public stances and real-life behavior of prominent liberals including Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy, Al Franken, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Ralph Nader - among others. "Hypocrisy has proved to be a wonderful weapon for liberals in their war against conservatives," Schweizer writes in the November issue of NewsMax Magazine. "Yet for all the talk about conservative hypocrisy, there has been very little investigation into the prevalence of hypocrisy on the left." After two years of research into liberal hypocrisy, Schweizer said, "what I discovered was just stunning." Schweizer's well-annotated book, published by Doubleday, has just been released and its sure to turn several well-known liberals red with anger. Among the eye-opening revelations of "Do As I Say": # Filmmaker Michael Moore insists that corporations are evil and claims he doesn't invest in the stock market due to moral principle. But Moore's IRS forms, viewed by Schweizer, show that over the past five years he has owned shares in such corporate giants as Halliburton, Merck, Pfizer, Sunoco, Tenet Healthcare, Ford, General Electric and McDonald's. # Staunch union supporter Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) has received the Cesar Chavez Award from the United Farmworkers Union. But the $25 million Northern California vineyard she and her husband own is a non-union shop. The hypocrisy doesn't end there. Pelosi has received more money from the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees union than any other member of Congress in recent election cycles. But the Pelosis own a large stake in an exclusive hotel in Rutherford, Calif. It has more than 250 employees. But none of them are in a union, according to Schweizer, author of "The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty" and a regular contributor to the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and other periodicals. The Pelosis are also partners in a restaurant chain called Piatti, which has 900 employees. The chain is - that's right, a non-union shop. # Ralph Nader is another liberal who claims that unions are essential to protect worker rights. But when an editor of one of his publications tried to form a union to ameliorate miserable working conditions, the editor was fired and the locks changed on the office door. # Self-described socialist Noam Chomsky has described the Pentagon as "the most vile institution on the face of the earth" and lashed out against tax havens and trusts that benefit only the rich. But Chomsky has been paid millions of dollars by the Pentagon over the last 40 years, and he used a venerable law firm to set up his irrevocable trust to shield his assets from the IRS. # Air America radio host Al Franken says conservatives are racist because they lack diversity and oppose affirmative action. But fewer than 1 percent of the people he has hired over the past 15 years have been African-American. # Ted Kennedy has fought for the estate tax and spoken out against tax shelters. But he has repeatedly benefited from an intricate web of trusts and private foundations that have shielded most of his family's fortune from the IRS. One Kennedy family trust wasn't even set up in the U.S., but in Fiji. Another family member, environmentalist Robert Kennedy Jr., has said that it is not moral to profit from natural resources. But he receives an annual check from the family's large holdings in the oil industry. # Barbra Streisand has talked about the necessity of unions to protect a "living wage." But she prefers to do her filming and postproduction work in Canada, where she can pay less than American union wages. # Bill and Hillary Clinton have spoken in favor of the estate tax, and in 2000 Bill vetoed a bill seeking to end it. But the Clintons have set up a contract trust that allows them to substantially reduce the amount of inheritance tax their estate will pay when they die. Hillary, for her part, has written and spoken extensively about the right of children to make major decisions regarding their own lives. But she barred 13-year-old daughter Chelsea from getting her ears pierced and forbid the teen from watching MTV or HBO. # Billionaire Bush-basher George Soros says the wealthy should pay higher, more progressive tax rates. But he holds the bulk of his money in tax-free overseas accounts in Curacao, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. Schweizer writes: "Liberals claim to support affirmative action but don't practice it. They support higher taxes but set up complicated tax shelters to avoid paying them. They claim to be ardent environmentalists but abandon their cause when it impinges on their own property rights. "The reality is that liberals like to preach in moral platitudes. They like to condemn ordinary Americans and Republicans for a whole host of things - racism, lack of concern for the poor, polluting the environment, and greed. "But when it comes to applying those same standards to themselves, liberals are found to be shockingly guilty of hypocrisy. "The media and the American people need to hold them accountable." "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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Eide wrote:
Oh, my! The liberals aren't perfect??!!! Thanks for the news flash. Far from it. Is this permission for the conservatives to continue their hypocrisy? "Hey they're doin it too, we don't have to stop!" A tu quequo attack does not work if the argument is hypocrisy, does it? The argument IS that the other guy is doing it as well. Recently your buddy Al Franekn was (yet again) caught lying about Bill O'Reily lying. Pretty funny. "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Al Franken, Hillary, Kennedy, Caught! Jim Meyers Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2005 A new book by a top investigative journalist exposes the blatant hypocrisy of liberals who loudly espouse principles they disregard in their own personal lives. In "Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy," Hoover Fellow Peter Schweizer reveals the glaring contradictions between the public stances and real-life behavior of prominent liberals including Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy, Al Franken, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Ralph Nader - among others. "Hypocrisy has proved to be a wonderful weapon for liberals in their war against conservatives," Schweizer writes in the November issue of NewsMax Magazine. "Yet for all the talk about conservative hypocrisy, there has been very little investigation into the prevalence of hypocrisy on the left." After two years of research into liberal hypocrisy, Schweizer said, "what I discovered was just stunning." Schweizer's well-annotated book, published by Doubleday, has just been released and its sure to turn several well-known liberals red with anger. Among the eye-opening revelations of "Do As I Say": # Filmmaker Michael Moore insists that corporations are evil and claims he doesn't invest in the stock market due to moral principle. But Moore's IRS forms, viewed by Schweizer, show that over the past five years he has owned shares in such corporate giants as Halliburton, Merck, Pfizer, Sunoco, Tenet Healthcare, Ford, General Electric and McDonald's. # Staunch union supporter Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) has received the Cesar Chavez Award from the United Farmworkers Union. But the $25 million Northern California vineyard she and her husband own is a non-union shop. The hypocrisy doesn't end there. Pelosi has received more money from the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees union than any other member of Congress in recent election cycles. But the Pelosis own a large stake in an exclusive hotel in Rutherford, Calif. It has more than 250 employees. But none of them are in a union, according to Schweizer, author of "The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty" and a regular contributor to the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and other periodicals. The Pelosis are also partners in a restaurant chain called Piatti, which has 900 employees. The chain is - that's right, a non-union shop. # Ralph Nader is another liberal who claims that unions are essential to protect worker rights. But when an editor of one of his publications tried to form a union to ameliorate miserable working conditions, the editor was fired and the locks changed on the office door. # Self-described socialist Noam Chomsky has described the Pentagon as "the most vile institution on the face of the earth" and lashed out against tax havens and trusts that benefit only the rich. But Chomsky has been paid millions of dollars by the Pentagon over the last 40 years, and he used a venerable law firm to set up his irrevocable trust to shield his assets from the IRS. # Air America radio host Al Franken says conservatives are racist because they lack diversity and oppose affirmative action. But fewer than 1 percent of the people he has hired over the past 15 years have been African-American. # Ted Kennedy has fought for the estate tax and spoken out against tax shelters. But he has repeatedly benefited from an intricate web of trusts and private foundations that have shielded most of his family's fortune from the IRS. One Kennedy family trust wasn't even set up in the U.S., but in Fiji. Another family member, environmentalist Robert Kennedy Jr., has said that it is not moral to profit from natural resources. But he receives an annual check from the family's large holdings in the oil industry. # Barbra Streisand has talked about the necessity of unions to protect a "living wage." But she prefers to do her filming and postproduction work in Canada, where she can pay less than American union wages. # Bill and Hillary Clinton have spoken in favor of the estate tax, and in 2000 Bill vetoed a bill seeking to end it. But the Clintons have set up a contract trust that allows them to substantially reduce the amount of inheritance tax their estate will pay when they die. Hillary, for her part, has written and spoken extensively about the right of children to make major decisions regarding their own lives. But she barred 13-year-old daughter Chelsea from getting her ears pierced and forbid the teen from watching MTV or HBO. # Billionaire Bush-basher George Soros says the wealthy should pay higher, more progressive tax rates. But he holds the bulk of his money in tax-free overseas accounts in Curacao, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. Schweizer writes: "Liberals claim to support affirmative action but don't practice it. They support higher taxes but set up complicated tax shelters to avoid paying them. They claim to be ardent environmentalists but abandon their cause when it impinges on their own property rights. "The reality is that liberals like to preach in moral platitudes. They like to condemn ordinary Americans and Republicans for a whole host of things - racism, lack of concern for the poor, polluting the environment, and greed. "But when it comes to applying those same standards to themselves, liberals are found to be shockingly guilty of hypocrisy. "The media and the American people need to hold them accountable." "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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The most important thing that Unions brought about is the middle class.
Before unions there were the extremely rich and the extremely poor. Nothing in between. The advent of the Unions gave the poor workers a means of receiving fair pay for fair work. Many non-union industries followed suit in giving their employees something to live on just to keep the unions out. Does anyone really believe these non-union corps. would have done this on their own if it wasn't fear of unionization? It's been a number of generations since the Unions changed the work force and the economies of the world so few people in the work force have any idea what it was like for their parents or grandparents to bring home a dollar a day. Everyone is looking out for ole #1 and screw the other guy. Why should I pay union dues if I don't have too is the prevailing mentality in this country and because of it the middle class is slowly but surely drying up and we're going back to the two class nation, the extremely rich and the extremely poor. Dick -- Richard H. Neighbors Building and repairing fine billiard cues for real pool players at affordable prices. Over 35 years exp. Located in Cincinnati OH ph.# 513 233-7499 web site http://www.dickiecues.com "Proctologically Violated©®" wrote in message ... Excellent. Figgers Moore would own stock in McDonalds. It is occasionally true that the workers in non-union shops are better off than their union counterparts. Some employers will remunerate employees such that the employees will *not opt* for unionization, as they are fairing a bit better w/o the union/union dues. Whether that's the case w/ Pelosi remains to be seen. It proly is not. But the possibility exists. Unions are no panacea. In the immediate picture, an employer who keeps a union out thru "matching+", if you will, is proly doing everyone involved a favor. OTOH, in the bigger/longer picture, mebbe this "union erosion via employer benevolence" may be unhealthy for the total workforce, as union's need their own critical mass to be effective, corrupt pita's that they themselves are. Their spectre, at the very least, is important, as history as fairly-well shown. As Bugs pointed out, this stuff is, at least in hindsight, obvious. But still I think it is a good kick-in-the-pants to have it pointed out. However, more important than any hypocrisy is what Pelosi is *actually doing for the unions*, outside of her own immediate interests. It is possible that she really is a helpful force. Ditto the other acts of hypocrisy. There is a big difference between being a hypocrit and a traitor. What opened my eyes was the tidbit that there are more pharmaceutical lobbyists on capitol hill than there are legislators. And that's just pharmacy. This is in fact treason, the selling out of Us to Them. Of course, we (us) only voted. They (them) actually paid. (Taxes don't count.) How 'bout Hoover, my fav. cross-dressing homophobe.... goodgawd.... Is it true he did high heels, too?? Which is why I invite everyone to indeed join my butting political party, the Independent Party of the Proctologically Violated, which is basically every effing person on this effing planet working for an effing living, regardless of credo or political affiliation, incarcerated or not, taste in cross-dressing, etc. I will be running for Pres on this ticket. Many will say, Yeah, but you too will be PV'ing the (m)asses as well, after you have sold yer own ass to win. To which I would say, 1. Considering the state of my ass, I could never sell it--talk to my doc; and 2. Even if I did sell it, my dick is only 9.75" long, so the PV'g I would deliver would be *mild* compared to the average 18" you are getting shoved in you by the incumbent mastiffs locally and on capitol hill right now. Regardless of political party. I would be honored if Grant Erwin would be my VP. ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Al Franken, Hillary, Kennedy, Caught! Jim Meyers Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2005 A new book by a top investigative journalist exposes the blatant hypocrisy of liberals who loudly espouse principles they disregard in their own personal lives. In "Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy," Hoover Fellow Peter Schweizer reveals the glaring contradictions between the public stances and real-life behavior of prominent liberals including Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy, Al Franken, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Ralph Nader - among others. "Hypocrisy has proved to be a wonderful weapon for liberals in their war against conservatives," Schweizer writes in the November issue of NewsMax Magazine. "Yet for all the talk about conservative hypocrisy, there has been very little investigation into the prevalence of hypocrisy on the left." After two years of research into liberal hypocrisy, Schweizer said, "what I discovered was just stunning." Schweizer's well-annotated book, published by Doubleday, has just been released and its sure to turn several well-known liberals red with anger. Among the eye-opening revelations of "Do As I Say": # Filmmaker Michael Moore insists that corporations are evil and claims he doesn't invest in the stock market due to moral principle. But Moore's IRS forms, viewed by Schweizer, show that over the past five years he has owned shares in such corporate giants as Halliburton, Merck, Pfizer, Sunoco, Tenet Healthcare, Ford, General Electric and McDonald's. # Staunch union supporter Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) has received the Cesar Chavez Award from the United Farmworkers Union. But the $25 million Northern California vineyard she and her husband own is a non-union shop. The hypocrisy doesn't end there. Pelosi has received more money from the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees union than any other member of Congress in recent election cycles. But the Pelosis own a large stake in an exclusive hotel in Rutherford, Calif. It has more than 250 employees. But none of them are in a union, according to Schweizer, author of "The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty" and a regular contributor to the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and other periodicals. The Pelosis are also partners in a restaurant chain called Piatti, which has 900 employees. The chain is - that's right, a non-union shop. # Ralph Nader is another liberal who claims that unions are essential to protect worker rights. But when an editor of one of his publications tried to form a union to ameliorate miserable working conditions, the editor was fired and the locks changed on the office door. # Self-described socialist Noam Chomsky has described the Pentagon as "the most vile institution on the face of the earth" and lashed out against tax havens and trusts that benefit only the rich. But Chomsky has been paid millions of dollars by the Pentagon over the last 40 years, and he used a venerable law firm to set up his irrevocable trust to shield his assets from the IRS. # Air America radio host Al Franken says conservatives are racist because they lack diversity and oppose affirmative action. But fewer than 1 percent of the people he has hired over the past 15 years have been African-American. # Ted Kennedy has fought for the estate tax and spoken out against tax shelters. But he has repeatedly benefited from an intricate web of trusts and private foundations that have shielded most of his family's fortune from the IRS. One Kennedy family trust wasn't even set up in the U.S., but in Fiji. Another family member, environmentalist Robert Kennedy Jr., has said that it is not moral to profit from natural resources. But he receives an annual check from the family's large holdings in the oil industry. # Barbra Streisand has talked about the necessity of unions to protect a "living wage." But she prefers to do her filming and postproduction work in Canada, where she can pay less than American union wages. # Bill and Hillary Clinton have spoken in favor of the estate tax, and in 2000 Bill vetoed a bill seeking to end it. But the Clintons have set up a contract trust that allows them to substantially reduce the amount of inheritance tax their estate will pay when they die. Hillary, for her part, has written and spoken extensively about the right of children to make major decisions regarding their own lives. But she barred 13-year-old daughter Chelsea from getting her ears pierced and forbid the teen from watching MTV or HBO. # Billionaire Bush-basher George Soros says the wealthy should pay higher, more progressive tax rates. But he holds the bulk of his money in tax-free overseas accounts in Curacao, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. Schweizer writes: "Liberals claim to support affirmative action but don't practice it. They support higher taxes but set up complicated tax shelters to avoid paying them. They claim to be ardent environmentalists but abandon their cause when it impinges on their own property rights. "The reality is that liberals like to preach in moral platitudes. They like to condemn ordinary Americans and Republicans for a whole host of things - racism, lack of concern for the poor, polluting the environment, and greed. "But when it comes to applying those same standards to themselves, liberals are found to be shockingly guilty of hypocrisy. "The media and the American people need to hold them accountable." "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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Agreed.
Ergo the notion of "critical mass" in union effectiveness. Now, the problem is that in our "global economy" (which I think is a new int'l sport of Let's **** America (back) ), the calculation of this critical mass has changed enormously, because the global workforce not only dwarfs the American workforce, it is also largely non-unionized, to say the least. So the noble Merkin Union almost by definition is pricing its members out of employment--for now. At least while the Global Standard of Living equilibrates. Our domestic Corp Solution also seems to be **** America(ns).... We'll just move overseas. You might soon see the medical profession operating from overseas. You may actually visit your (useless) GP in yer neighborhood, but all your lab work/radiography/etc. may be analyzed in Bombay. Sorta like HP customer service/tech support in Bombay. I alway compliment them on their English. In my naive economic mind, the only solution is legislating imports; Harley did it, apparently w/ great effectiveness, but not many others have, it seems. Overall this process is proly another whole dicey ball of wax, and, given how our own corp. gummint has no qualms about selling us down the river, it may not make a diff anyway. And, does it really matter who PV's you, foreigners or yer own Merkin corps? I think the only difference might lie in the circumcision. So, will you join the IPPV and vote for me? ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "Dick" wrote in message ... The most important thing that Unions brought about is the middle class. Before unions there were the extremely rich and the extremely poor. Nothing in between. The advent of the Unions gave the poor workers a means of receiving fair pay for fair work. Many non-union industries followed suit in giving their employees something to live on just to keep the unions out. Does anyone really believe these non-union corps. would have done this on their own if it wasn't fear of unionization? It's been a number of generations since the Unions changed the work force and the economies of the world so few people in the work force have any idea what it was like for their parents or grandparents to bring home a dollar a day. Everyone is looking out for ole #1 and screw the other guy. Why should I pay union dues if I don't have too is the prevailing mentality in this country and because of it the middle class is slowly but surely drying up and we're going back to the two class nation, the extremely rich and the extremely poor. Dick -- Richard H. Neighbors Building and repairing fine billiard cues for real pool players at affordable prices. Over 35 years exp. Located in Cincinnati OH ph.# 513 233-7499 web site http://www.dickiecues.com "Proctologically Violated©®" wrote in message ... Excellent. Figgers Moore would own stock in McDonalds. It is occasionally true that the workers in non-union shops are better off than their union counterparts. Some employers will remunerate employees such that the employees will *not opt* for unionization, as they are fairing a bit better w/o the union/union dues. Whether that's the case w/ Pelosi remains to be seen. It proly is not. But the possibility exists. Unions are no panacea. In the immediate picture, an employer who keeps a union out thru "matching+", if you will, is proly doing everyone involved a favor. OTOH, in the bigger/longer picture, mebbe this "union erosion via employer benevolence" may be unhealthy for the total workforce, as union's need their own critical mass to be effective, corrupt pita's that they themselves are. Their spectre, at the very least, is important, as history as fairly-well shown. As Bugs pointed out, this stuff is, at least in hindsight, obvious. But still I think it is a good kick-in-the-pants to have it pointed out. However, more important than any hypocrisy is what Pelosi is *actually doing for the unions*, outside of her own immediate interests. It is possible that she really is a helpful force. Ditto the other acts of hypocrisy. There is a big difference between being a hypocrit and a traitor. What opened my eyes was the tidbit that there are more pharmaceutical lobbyists on capitol hill than there are legislators. And that's just pharmacy. This is in fact treason, the selling out of Us to Them. Of course, we (us) only voted. They (them) actually paid. (Taxes don't count.) How 'bout Hoover, my fav. cross-dressing homophobe.... goodgawd.... Is it true he did high heels, too?? Which is why I invite everyone to indeed join my butting political party, the Independent Party of the Proctologically Violated, which is basically every effing person on this effing planet working for an effing living, regardless of credo or political affiliation, incarcerated or not, taste in cross-dressing, etc. I will be running for Pres on this ticket. Many will say, Yeah, but you too will be PV'ing the (m)asses as well, after you have sold yer own ass to win. To which I would say, 1. Considering the state of my ass, I could never sell it--talk to my doc; and 2. Even if I did sell it, my dick is only 9.75" long, so the PV'g I would deliver would be *mild* compared to the average 18" you are getting shoved in you by the incumbent mastiffs locally and on capitol hill right now. Regardless of political party. I would be honored if Grant Erwin would be my VP. ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Al Franken, Hillary, Kennedy, Caught! Jim Meyers Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2005 A new book by a top investigative journalist exposes the blatant hypocrisy of liberals who loudly espouse principles they disregard in their own personal lives. In "Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy," Hoover Fellow Peter Schweizer reveals the glaring contradictions between the public stances and real-life behavior of prominent liberals including Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy, Al Franken, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Ralph Nader - among others. "Hypocrisy has proved to be a wonderful weapon for liberals in their war against conservatives," Schweizer writes in the November issue of NewsMax Magazine. "Yet for all the talk about conservative hypocrisy, there has been very little investigation into the prevalence of hypocrisy on the left." After two years of research into liberal hypocrisy, Schweizer said, "what I discovered was just stunning." Schweizer's well-annotated book, published by Doubleday, has just been released and its sure to turn several well-known liberals red with anger. Among the eye-opening revelations of "Do As I Say": # Filmmaker Michael Moore insists that corporations are evil and claims he doesn't invest in the stock market due to moral principle. But Moore's IRS forms, viewed by Schweizer, show that over the past five years he has owned shares in such corporate giants as Halliburton, Merck, Pfizer, Sunoco, Tenet Healthcare, Ford, General Electric and McDonald's. # Staunch union supporter Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) has received the Cesar Chavez Award from the United Farmworkers Union. But the $25 million Northern California vineyard she and her husband own is a non-union shop. The hypocrisy doesn't end there. Pelosi has received more money from the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees union than any other member of Congress in recent election cycles. But the Pelosis own a large stake in an exclusive hotel in Rutherford, Calif. It has more than 250 employees. But none of them are in a union, according to Schweizer, author of "The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty" and a regular contributor to the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and other periodicals. The Pelosis are also partners in a restaurant chain called Piatti, which has 900 employees. The chain is - that's right, a non-union shop. # Ralph Nader is another liberal who claims that unions are essential to protect worker rights. But when an editor of one of his publications tried to form a union to ameliorate miserable working conditions, the editor was fired and the locks changed on the office door. # Self-described socialist Noam Chomsky has described the Pentagon as "the most vile institution on the face of the earth" and lashed out against tax havens and trusts that benefit only the rich. But Chomsky has been paid millions of dollars by the Pentagon over the last 40 years, and he used a venerable law firm to set up his irrevocable trust to shield his assets from the IRS. # Air America radio host Al Franken says conservatives are racist because they lack diversity and oppose affirmative action. But fewer than 1 percent of the people he has hired over the past 15 years have been African-American. # Ted Kennedy has fought for the estate tax and spoken out against tax shelters. But he has repeatedly benefited from an intricate web of trusts and private foundations that have shielded most of his family's fortune from the IRS. One Kennedy family trust wasn't even set up in the U.S., but in Fiji. Another family member, environmentalist Robert Kennedy Jr., has said that it is not moral to profit from natural resources. But he receives an annual check from the family's large holdings in the oil industry. # Barbra Streisand has talked about the necessity of unions to protect a "living wage." But she prefers to do her filming and postproduction work in Canada, where she can pay less than American union wages. # Bill and Hillary Clinton have spoken in favor of the estate tax, and in 2000 Bill vetoed a bill seeking to end it. But the Clintons have set up a contract trust that allows them to substantially reduce the amount of inheritance tax their estate will pay when they die. Hillary, for her part, has written and spoken extensively about the right of children to make major decisions regarding their own lives. But she barred 13-year-old daughter Chelsea from getting her ears pierced and forbid the teen from watching MTV or HBO. # Billionaire Bush-basher George Soros says the wealthy should pay higher, more progressive tax rates. But he holds the bulk of his money in tax-free overseas accounts in Curacao, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. Schweizer writes: "Liberals claim to support affirmative action but don't practice it. They support higher taxes but set up complicated tax shelters to avoid paying them. They claim to be ardent environmentalists but abandon their cause when it impinges on their own property rights. "The reality is that liberals like to preach in moral platitudes. They like to condemn ordinary Americans and Republicans for a whole host of things - racism, lack of concern for the poor, polluting the environment, and greed. "But when it comes to applying those same standards to themselves, liberals are found to be shockingly guilty of hypocrisy. "The media and the American people need to hold them accountable." "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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In article , Proctologically Violated©® says...
In my naive economic mind, the only solution is legislating imports; I think you first need to decide what is an 'import.' Are imported goods, those that are shipped to the US by a company owned by a foreign company? Or are they *any* goods shipped in, even if by a US owned and heatquartered company? I would maintain you don't need to put tarriffs on 'imports' if you simply define the second set as "not imported goods." There is a good deal of common sense in doing this. At this point you tax companies that manufacture overseas, on the retail value of their products. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Little known fact -- There are more English speakers in India than there
are in the U.S. "Proctologically Violated©®" wrote in message ... Agreed. Ergo the notion of "critical mass" in union effectiveness. Now, the problem is that in our "global economy" (which I think is a new int'l sport of Let's **** America (back) ), the calculation of this critical mass has changed enormously, because the global workforce not only dwarfs the American workforce, it is also largely non-unionized, to say the least. So the noble Merkin Union almost by definition is pricing its members out of employment--for now. At least while the Global Standard of Living equilibrates. Our domestic Corp Solution also seems to be **** America(ns).... We'll just move overseas. You might soon see the medical profession operating from overseas. You may actually visit your (useless) GP in yer neighborhood, but all your lab work/radiography/etc. may be analyzed in Bombay. Sorta like HP customer service/tech support in Bombay. I alway compliment them on their English. In my naive economic mind, the only solution is legislating imports; Harley did it, apparently w/ great effectiveness, but not many others have, it seems. Overall this process is proly another whole dicey ball of wax, and, given how our own corp. gummint has no qualms about selling us down the river, it may not make a diff anyway. And, does it really matter who PV's you, foreigners or yer own Merkin corps? I think the only difference might lie in the circumcision. So, will you join the IPPV and vote for me? ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "Dick" wrote in message ... The most important thing that Unions brought about is the middle class. Before unions there were the extremely rich and the extremely poor. Nothing in between. The advent of the Unions gave the poor workers a means of receiving fair pay for fair work. Many non-union industries followed suit in giving their employees something to live on just to keep the unions out. Does anyone really believe these non-union corps. would have done this on their own if it wasn't fear of unionization? It's been a number of generations since the Unions changed the work force and the economies of the world so few people in the work force have any idea what it was like for their parents or grandparents to bring home a dollar a day. Everyone is looking out for ole #1 and screw the other guy. Why should I pay union dues if I don't have too is the prevailing mentality in this country and because of it the middle class is slowly but surely drying up and we're going back to the two class nation, the extremely rich and the extremely poor. Dick -- Richard H. Neighbors Building and repairing fine billiard cues for real pool players at affordable prices. Over 35 years exp. Located in Cincinnati OH ph.# 513 233-7499 web site http://www.dickiecues.com "Proctologically Violated©®" wrote in message ... Excellent. Figgers Moore would own stock in McDonalds. It is occasionally true that the workers in non-union shops are better off than their union counterparts. Some employers will remunerate employees such that the employees will *not opt* for unionization, as they are fairing a bit better w/o the union/union dues. Whether that's the case w/ Pelosi remains to be seen. It proly is not. But the possibility exists. Unions are no panacea. In the immediate picture, an employer who keeps a union out thru "matching+", if you will, is proly doing everyone involved a favor. OTOH, in the bigger/longer picture, mebbe this "union erosion via employer benevolence" may be unhealthy for the total workforce, as union's need their own critical mass to be effective, corrupt pita's that they themselves are. Their spectre, at the very least, is important, as history as fairly-well shown. As Bugs pointed out, this stuff is, at least in hindsight, obvious. But still I think it is a good kick-in-the-pants to have it pointed out. However, more important than any hypocrisy is what Pelosi is *actually doing for the unions*, outside of her own immediate interests. It is possible that she really is a helpful force. Ditto the other acts of hypocrisy. There is a big difference between being a hypocrit and a traitor. What opened my eyes was the tidbit that there are more pharmaceutical lobbyists on capitol hill than there are legislators. And that's just pharmacy. This is in fact treason, the selling out of Us to Them. Of course, we (us) only voted. They (them) actually paid. (Taxes don't count.) How 'bout Hoover, my fav. cross-dressing homophobe.... goodgawd.... Is it true he did high heels, too?? Which is why I invite everyone to indeed join my butting political party, the Independent Party of the Proctologically Violated, which is basically every effing person on this effing planet working for an effing living, regardless of credo or political affiliation, incarcerated or not, taste in cross-dressing, etc. I will be running for Pres on this ticket. Many will say, Yeah, but you too will be PV'ing the (m)asses as well, after you have sold yer own ass to win. To which I would say, 1. Considering the state of my ass, I could never sell it--talk to my doc; and 2. Even if I did sell it, my dick is only 9.75" long, so the PV'g I would deliver would be *mild* compared to the average 18" you are getting shoved in you by the incumbent mastiffs locally and on capitol hill right now. Regardless of political party. I would be honored if Grant Erwin would be my VP. ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Al Franken, Hillary, Kennedy, Caught! Jim Meyers Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2005 A new book by a top investigative journalist exposes the blatant hypocrisy of liberals who loudly espouse principles they disregard in their own personal lives. In "Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy," Hoover Fellow Peter Schweizer reveals the glaring contradictions between the public stances and real-life behavior of prominent liberals including Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy, Al Franken, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Ralph Nader - among others. "Hypocrisy has proved to be a wonderful weapon for liberals in their war against conservatives," Schweizer writes in the November issue of NewsMax Magazine. "Yet for all the talk about conservative hypocrisy, there has been very little investigation into the prevalence of hypocrisy on the left." After two years of research into liberal hypocrisy, Schweizer said, "what I discovered was just stunning." Schweizer's well-annotated book, published by Doubleday, has just been released and its sure to turn several well-known liberals red with anger. Among the eye-opening revelations of "Do As I Say": # Filmmaker Michael Moore insists that corporations are evil and claims he doesn't invest in the stock market due to moral principle. But Moore's IRS forms, viewed by Schweizer, show that over the past five years he has owned shares in such corporate giants as Halliburton, Merck, Pfizer, Sunoco, Tenet Healthcare, Ford, General Electric and McDonald's. # Staunch union supporter Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) has received the Cesar Chavez Award from the United Farmworkers Union. But the $25 million Northern California vineyard she and her husband own is a non-union shop. The hypocrisy doesn't end there. Pelosi has received more money from the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees union than any other member of Congress in recent election cycles. But the Pelosis own a large stake in an exclusive hotel in Rutherford, Calif. It has more than 250 employees. But none of them are in a union, according to Schweizer, author of "The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty" and a regular contributor to the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and other periodicals. The Pelosis are also partners in a restaurant chain called Piatti, which has 900 employees. The chain is - that's right, a non-union shop. # Ralph Nader is another liberal who claims that unions are essential to protect worker rights. But when an editor of one of his publications tried to form a union to ameliorate miserable working conditions, the editor was fired and the locks changed on the office door. # Self-described socialist Noam Chomsky has described the Pentagon as "the most vile institution on the face of the earth" and lashed out against tax havens and trusts that benefit only the rich. But Chomsky has been paid millions of dollars by the Pentagon over the last 40 years, and he used a venerable law firm to set up his irrevocable trust to shield his assets from the IRS. # Air America radio host Al Franken says conservatives are racist because they lack diversity and oppose affirmative action. But fewer than 1 percent of the people he has hired over the past 15 years have been African-American. # Ted Kennedy has fought for the estate tax and spoken out against tax shelters. But he has repeatedly benefited from an intricate web of trusts and private foundations that have shielded most of his family's fortune from the IRS. One Kennedy family trust wasn't even set up in the U.S., but in Fiji. Another family member, environmentalist Robert Kennedy Jr., has said that it is not moral to profit from natural resources. But he receives an annual check from the family's large holdings in the oil industry. # Barbra Streisand has talked about the necessity of unions to protect a "living wage." But she prefers to do her filming and postproduction work in Canada, where she can pay less than American union wages. # Bill and Hillary Clinton have spoken in favor of the estate tax, and in 2000 Bill vetoed a bill seeking to end it. But the Clintons have set up a contract trust that allows them to substantially reduce the amount of inheritance tax their estate will pay when they die. Hillary, for her part, has written and spoken extensively about the right of children to make major decisions regarding their own lives. But she barred 13-year-old daughter Chelsea from getting her ears pierced and forbid the teen from watching MTV or HBO. # Billionaire Bush-basher George Soros says the wealthy should pay higher, more progressive tax rates. But he holds the bulk of his money in tax-free overseas accounts in Curacao, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. Schweizer writes: "Liberals claim to support affirmative action but don't practice it. They support higher taxes but set up complicated tax shelters to avoid paying them. They claim to be ardent environmentalists but abandon their cause when it impinges on their own property rights. "The reality is that liberals like to preach in moral platitudes. They like to condemn ordinary Americans and Republicans for a whole host of things - racism, lack of concern for the poor, polluting the environment, and greed. "But when it comes to applying those same standards to themselves, liberals are found to be shockingly guilty of hypocrisy. "The media and the American people need to hold them accountable." "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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"Emmo" wrote in message ... Little known fact -- There are more English speakers in India than there are in the U.S. 2nd little known fact: They speak it more better than we does. 3rd little known fact: Ever hear of Punjabi rap? I have.... blasting out of pimped-out Civics in Queens. Goodgawd.... ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "Proctologically Violated©®" wrote in message ... Agreed. Ergo the notion of "critical mass" in union effectiveness. Now, the problem is that in our "global economy" (which I think is a new int'l sport of Let's **** America (back) ), the calculation of this critical mass has changed enormously, because the global workforce not only dwarfs the American workforce, it is also largely non-unionized, to say the least. So the noble Merkin Union almost by definition is pricing its members out of employment--for now. At least while the Global Standard of Living equilibrates. Our domestic Corp Solution also seems to be **** America(ns).... We'll just move overseas. You might soon see the medical profession operating from overseas. You may actually visit your (useless) GP in yer neighborhood, but all your lab work/radiography/etc. may be analyzed in Bombay. Sorta like HP customer service/tech support in Bombay. I alway compliment them on their English. In my naive economic mind, the only solution is legislating imports; Harley did it, apparently w/ great effectiveness, but not many others have, it seems. Overall this process is proly another whole dicey ball of wax, and, given how our own corp. gummint has no qualms about selling us down the river, it may not make a diff anyway. And, does it really matter who PV's you, foreigners or yer own Merkin corps? I think the only difference might lie in the circumcision. So, will you join the IPPV and vote for me? ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "Dick" wrote in message ... The most important thing that Unions brought about is the middle class. Before unions there were the extremely rich and the extremely poor. Nothing in between. The advent of the Unions gave the poor workers a means of receiving fair pay for fair work. Many non-union industries followed suit in giving their employees something to live on just to keep the unions out. Does anyone really believe these non-union corps. would have done this on their own if it wasn't fear of unionization? It's been a number of generations since the Unions changed the work force and the economies of the world so few people in the work force have any idea what it was like for their parents or grandparents to bring home a dollar a day. Everyone is looking out for ole #1 and screw the other guy. Why should I pay union dues if I don't have too is the prevailing mentality in this country and because of it the middle class is slowly but surely drying up and we're going back to the two class nation, the extremely rich and the extremely poor. Dick -- Richard H. Neighbors Building and repairing fine billiard cues for real pool players at affordable prices. Over 35 years exp. Located in Cincinnati OH ph.# 513 233-7499 web site http://www.dickiecues.com "Proctologically Violated©®" wrote in message ... Excellent. Figgers Moore would own stock in McDonalds. It is occasionally true that the workers in non-union shops are better off than their union counterparts. Some employers will remunerate employees such that the employees will *not opt* for unionization, as they are fairing a bit better w/o the union/union dues. Whether that's the case w/ Pelosi remains to be seen. It proly is not. But the possibility exists. Unions are no panacea. In the immediate picture, an employer who keeps a union out thru "matching+", if you will, is proly doing everyone involved a favor. OTOH, in the bigger/longer picture, mebbe this "union erosion via employer benevolence" may be unhealthy for the total workforce, as union's need their own critical mass to be effective, corrupt pita's that they themselves are. Their spectre, at the very least, is important, as history as fairly-well shown. As Bugs pointed out, this stuff is, at least in hindsight, obvious. But still I think it is a good kick-in-the-pants to have it pointed out. However, more important than any hypocrisy is what Pelosi is *actually doing for the unions*, outside of her own immediate interests. It is possible that she really is a helpful force. Ditto the other acts of hypocrisy. There is a big difference between being a hypocrit and a traitor. What opened my eyes was the tidbit that there are more pharmaceutical lobbyists on capitol hill than there are legislators. And that's just pharmacy. This is in fact treason, the selling out of Us to Them. Of course, we (us) only voted. They (them) actually paid. (Taxes don't count.) How 'bout Hoover, my fav. cross-dressing homophobe.... goodgawd.... Is it true he did high heels, too?? Which is why I invite everyone to indeed join my butting political party, the Independent Party of the Proctologically Violated, which is basically every effing person on this effing planet working for an effing living, regardless of credo or political affiliation, incarcerated or not, taste in cross-dressing, etc. I will be running for Pres on this ticket. Many will say, Yeah, but you too will be PV'ing the (m)asses as well, after you have sold yer own ass to win. To which I would say, 1. Considering the state of my ass, I could never sell it--talk to my doc; and 2. Even if I did sell it, my dick is only 9.75" long, so the PV'g I would deliver would be *mild* compared to the average 18" you are getting shoved in you by the incumbent mastiffs locally and on capitol hill right now. Regardless of political party. I would be honored if Grant Erwin would be my VP. ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Al Franken, Hillary, Kennedy, Caught! Jim Meyers Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2005 A new book by a top investigative journalist exposes the blatant hypocrisy of liberals who loudly espouse principles they disregard in their own personal lives. In "Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy," Hoover Fellow Peter Schweizer reveals the glaring contradictions between the public stances and real-life behavior of prominent liberals including Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy, Al Franken, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Ralph Nader - among others. "Hypocrisy has proved to be a wonderful weapon for liberals in their war against conservatives," Schweizer writes in the November issue of NewsMax Magazine. "Yet for all the talk about conservative hypocrisy, there has been very little investigation into the prevalence of hypocrisy on the left." After two years of research into liberal hypocrisy, Schweizer said, "what I discovered was just stunning." Schweizer's well-annotated book, published by Doubleday, has just been released and its sure to turn several well-known liberals red with anger. Among the eye-opening revelations of "Do As I Say": # Filmmaker Michael Moore insists that corporations are evil and claims he doesn't invest in the stock market due to moral principle. But Moore's IRS forms, viewed by Schweizer, show that over the past five years he has owned shares in such corporate giants as Halliburton, Merck, Pfizer, Sunoco, Tenet Healthcare, Ford, General Electric and McDonald's. # Staunch union supporter Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) has received the Cesar Chavez Award from the United Farmworkers Union. But the $25 million Northern California vineyard she and her husband own is a non-union shop. The hypocrisy doesn't end there. Pelosi has received more money from the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees union than any other member of Congress in recent election cycles. But the Pelosis own a large stake in an exclusive hotel in Rutherford, Calif. It has more than 250 employees. But none of them are in a union, according to Schweizer, author of "The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty" and a regular contributor to the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and other periodicals. The Pelosis are also partners in a restaurant chain called Piatti, which has 900 employees. The chain is - that's right, a non-union shop. # Ralph Nader is another liberal who claims that unions are essential to protect worker rights. But when an editor of one of his publications tried to form a union to ameliorate miserable working conditions, the editor was fired and the locks changed on the office door. # Self-described socialist Noam Chomsky has described the Pentagon as "the most vile institution on the face of the earth" and lashed out against tax havens and trusts that benefit only the rich. But Chomsky has been paid millions of dollars by the Pentagon over the last 40 years, and he used a venerable law firm to set up his irrevocable trust to shield his assets from the IRS. # Air America radio host Al Franken says conservatives are racist because they lack diversity and oppose affirmative action. But fewer than 1 percent of the people he has hired over the past 15 years have been African-American. # Ted Kennedy has fought for the estate tax and spoken out against tax shelters. But he has repeatedly benefited from an intricate web of trusts and private foundations that have shielded most of his family's fortune from the IRS. One Kennedy family trust wasn't even set up in the U.S., but in Fiji. Another family member, environmentalist Robert Kennedy Jr., has said that it is not moral to profit from natural resources. But he receives an annual check from the family's large holdings in the oil industry. # Barbra Streisand has talked about the necessity of unions to protect a "living wage." But she prefers to do her filming and postproduction work in Canada, where she can pay less than American union wages. # Bill and Hillary Clinton have spoken in favor of the estate tax, and in 2000 Bill vetoed a bill seeking to end it. But the Clintons have set up a contract trust that allows them to substantially reduce the amount of inheritance tax their estate will pay when they die. Hillary, for her part, has written and spoken extensively about the right of children to make major decisions regarding their own lives. But she barred 13-year-old daughter Chelsea from getting her ears pierced and forbid the teen from watching MTV or HBO. # Billionaire Bush-basher George Soros says the wealthy should pay higher, more progressive tax rates. But he holds the bulk of his money in tax-free overseas accounts in Curacao, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. Schweizer writes: "Liberals claim to support affirmative action but don't practice it. They support higher taxes but set up complicated tax shelters to avoid paying them. They claim to be ardent environmentalists but abandon their cause when it impinges on their own property rights. "The reality is that liberals like to preach in moral platitudes. They like to condemn ordinary Americans and Republicans for a whole host of things - racism, lack of concern for the poor, polluting the environment, and greed. "But when it comes to applying those same standards to themselves, liberals are found to be shockingly guilty of hypocrisy. "The media and the American people need to hold them accountable." "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... Al Franken, Hillary, Kennedy, Caught! Jim Meyers Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2005 A new book by a top investigative journalist exposes the blatant hypocrisy of liberals who loudly espouse principles they disregard in their own personal lives. Hypocrisy isn't limited to Liberals. One of the most blatant forms of hypocrisy is practiced by the Bible-thumbers who advocate "Christian values" and violate biblical law on a daily basis. Who makes up the majority of those Bible-thumping hypocrites? Why conservatives, of course. |
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lib-tard kunkel, in a fit of panicked desparation wailed:
One of the most blatant forms of hypocrisy is practiced by the Bible-thumbers who advocate "Christian values" and violate biblical law on a daily basis. Who makes up the majority of those Bible-thumping hypocrites? Why conservatives, of course. Actually, Christians are subject to the law, as Israel is. Christians know that they could never keep the law, as they are only men, made of corrupt flesh. Christians also know that man, being corrupted flesh, could never atone for his sins. That is why God sent Christ, as the perfect atonement. As Christians, we accept and know that is the price PAID for our sins. As a Christian, we also know that this doesn't give us license to sin. That attitude would be indicative of someone who wasn't truely a Christian. All Christians have sinned and those still living in the flesh will sin again. It's our corrupted nature. It's not any more hypocritical than the track coach who tells his star runner to try and shave 0.5 seconds off his 100m time, then failing to do the same himself. I'll won't bother providing cites for the above facts. Instead, I'll just add you to the pinko file. Tillman |
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In article .com, tillius
says... I'll won't bother providing cites for the above facts. Instead, I'll just add you to the pinko file. The world must be a strange place to you. So far everyone you interact with on rcm is a "pinko." They go into your "pinko" file in short order. But first whoever you are bantering with has to have the obligatory personal bad-mouthing and insult applied. Everyone's so dumb. You are smart. Everyone else is a pinko. You have your house in order. Great. How nice for you. You don't seem to do any metalworking, that's obvious by looking at the sum total of all your posts here in recent days. You just wander in, spit on the floor, and call everyone here an idiot or an asshole. Why not just cut to the chase: put all of rcm into 'pinkland' or whatever sticker you want to slap on it. And then you won't see any of the comments from the regulars here, and you won't have to bother replying to them. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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tillius wrote: lib-tard kunkel, in a fit of panicked desparation wailed: One of the most blatant forms of hypocrisy is practiced by the Bible-thumbers who advocate "Christian values" and violate biblical law on a daily basis. Who makes up the majority of those Bible-thumping hypocrites? Why conservatives, of course. Actually, Christians are subject to the law, as Israel is. Christians know that they could never keep the law, as they are only men, made of corrupt flesh. Christians also know that man, being corrupted flesh, could never atone for his sins. That is why God sent Christ, as the perfect atonement. As Christians, we accept and know that is the price PAID for our sins. As a Christian, we also know that this doesn't give us license to sin. That attitude would be indicative of someone who wasn't truely a Christian. All Christians have sinned and those still living in the flesh will sin again. It's our corrupted nature. It's not any more hypocritical than the track coach who tells his star runner to try and shave 0.5 seconds off his 100m time, then failing to do the same himself. I'll won't bother providing cites for the above facts. Instead, I'll just add you to the pinko file. Tillman Huh???? You appear to be saying that it is man's inherent nature to sin therefore "that's just the way it is". Ok, so in your world God didn't give man free will to choose NOT to lie, cheat, steal, murder, etc. The real sin of most bible thumpers is claiming that they know what God wants. Koz |
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"Koz" wrote in message
... tillius wrote: lib-tard kunkel, in a fit of panicked desparation wailed: One of the most blatant forms of hypocrisy is practiced by the Bible-thumbers who advocate "Christian values" and violate biblical law on a daily basis. Who makes up the majority of those Bible-thumping hypocrites? Why conservatives, of course. Actually, Christians are subject to the law, as Israel is. Christians know that they could never keep the law, as they are only men, made of corrupt flesh. Christians also know that man, being corrupted flesh, could never atone for his sins. That is why God sent Christ, as the perfect atonement. As Christians, we accept and know that is the price PAID for our sins. As a Christian, we also know that this doesn't give us license to sin. That attitude would be indicative of someone who wasn't truely a Christian. All Christians have sinned and those still living in the flesh will sin again. It's our corrupted nature. It's not any more hypocritical than the track coach who tells his star runner to try and shave 0.5 seconds off his 100m time, then failing to do the same himself. I'll won't bother providing cites for the above facts. Instead, I'll just add you to the pinko file. Tillman Huh???? You appear to be saying that it is man's inherent nature to sin therefore "that's just the way it is". Ok, so in your world God didn't give man free will to choose NOT to lie, cheat, steal, murder, etc. The real sin of most bible thumpers is claiming that they know what God wants. Yeah, and don't forget Son of a Preacher Man, by Dusty Springfield--who, when you compare her original to Aretha's remake, *whupped Aretha's ass*, bro, whupped her ass.... :) Rev. Ike knows what God wants: God assolutely wants him to have dat black & tan Rolls and dat fur coat.... ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll Koz |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
Al Franken, Hillary, Kennedy, Caught! Jim Meyers Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2005 snip After two years of research into liberal hypocrisy, Schweizer said, "what I discovered was just stunning." snip Among the eye-opening revelations of "Do As I Say": # Filmmaker Michael Moore insists that corporations are evil and claims he doesn't invest in the stock market due to moral principle. But Moore's IRS forms, viewed by Schweizer, show that over the past five years he has owned shares in such corporate giants as Halliburton, Merck, Pfizer, Sunoco, Tenet Healthcare, Ford, General Electric and McDonald's. It is fairly common knowledge that very good intelligence is to be had from the financial reports that are made available to shareholders. So yeah, I guess it's hypocritical to "benefit" from owning one share of stock in a large corporation. Did Schwiezer point out the strategic value of this? # Staunch union supporter Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) has received the Cesar Chavez Award from the United Farmworkers Union. But the $25 million Northern California vineyard she and her husband own is a non-union shop. Maybe she pays her employees a good wage, and they don't feel the need to organize? Did Schweizer consider this in his "analysis"? The hypocrisy doesn't end there. Pelosi has received more money from the Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees union than any other member of Congress in recent election cycles. But the Pelosis own a large stake in an exclusive hotel in Rutherford, Calif. It has more than 250 employees. But none of them are in a union, according to Schweizer, author of "The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty" and a regular contributor to the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and other periodicals. A good wage is all that is necessary to explain the "non-union" nature of the hotel, I think. It's not the business owners decision to unionize. It's odd that this would be called hypocrisy. Why would Schwiezer think that not having a union in your business is hypocritical to a pro-unionist? The Pelosis are also partners in a restaurant chain called Piatti, which has 900 employees. The chain is – that's right, a non-union shop. ditto. # Ralph Nader is another liberal who claims that unions are essential to protect worker rights. But when an editor of one of his publications tried to form a union to ameliorate miserable working conditions, the editor was fired and the locks changed on the office door. I do not know the details of this. Based on the evidence thus far, Schwiezer is a little eager to attribute hypocrisy to "facts", and may even be a little shoddy reporting the facts. # Self-described socialist Noam Chomsky has described the Pentagon as "the most vile institution on the face of the earth" and lashed out against tax havens and trusts that benefit only the rich. But Chomsky has been paid millions of dollars by the Pentagon over the last 40 years, and he used a venerable law firm to set up his irrevocable trust to shield his assets from the IRS. ditto. No, not just ditto. Chomsky just believes this kind of welfare should be extended to include the poor. :) # Air America radio host Al Franken says conservatives are racist because they lack diversity and oppose affirmative action. But fewer than 1 percent of the people he has hired over the past 15 years have been African-American. I don't know about this... maybe Al Franken has an answer. Maybe Franken has no influence over Human Resources selection process? Did Schweizer clarify this? # Ted Kennedy has fought for the estate tax and spoken out against tax shelters. But he has repeatedly benefited from an intricate web of trusts and private foundations that have shielded most of his family's fortune from the IRS. Who wants to defend this guy? Someone? He's taking advantage of welfare for the rich! One Kennedy family trust wasn't even set up in the U.S., but in Fiji. Another family member, environmentalist Robert Kennedy Jr., has said that it is not moral to profit from natural resources. But he receives an annual check from the family's large holdings in the oil industry. Can I see the quote, in context, of RK jr. saying this? # Barbra Streisand has talked about the necessity of unions to protect a "living wage." But she prefers to do her filming and postproduction work in Canada, where she can pay less than American union wages. Canada has a living wage? Did Streisand give this as her reason for doing (something?) in Canada? # Bill and Hillary Clinton have spoken in favor of the estate tax, and in 2000 Bill vetoed a bill seeking to end it. But the Clintons have set up a contract trust that allows them to substantially reduce the amount of inheritance tax their estate will pay when they die. He decided against it because of fears (ask Bill Gates' dad about this, it's well-studied) ending the estate tax would create a new aristocracy and destroy the "boil" in the melting pot that is America. Once it is passed, should he condemn his progeny to asphyxiate at the bottom of the pot? Hillary, for her part, has written and spoken extensively about the right of children to make major decisions regarding their own lives. But she barred 13-year-old daughter Chelsea from getting her ears pierced and forbid the teen from watching MTV or HBO. So would I. I'd throw the TV out, in fact. # Billionaire Bush-basher George Soros says the wealthy should pay higher, more progressive tax rates. But he holds the bulk of his money in tax-free overseas accounts in Curacao, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. Schweizer writes: "Liberals claim to support affirmative action but don't practice it. They support higher taxes but set up complicated tax shelters to avoid paying them. They claim to be ardent environmentalists but abandon their cause when it impinges on their own property rights. It's all about establishing an even playing field. The rich enjoy shelters not enjoyed by the poor. |
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more lib-tard dribble from jim rozen-commie:
The world must be a strange place to you. So far everyone you interact with on rcm is a "pinko." They go into your "pinko" file in short order. pinko bothers ya, huh? Something about the truth hurts and all that. grin But first whoever you are bantering with has to have the obligatory personal bad-mouthing and insult applied. Everyone's so dumb. You are smart. Everyone else is a pinko. You have your house in order. Great. How nice for you. Well, not everyone qualifies as a pinko. Makes ya feel special, don't it? You don't seem to do any metalworking, that's obvious by looking at the sum total of all your posts here in recent days. You just wander in, spit on the floor, and call everyone here an idiot or an asshole. I'm actually a metalworking newbie. I don't feel I can knowledgably offer much to the on-topic threads, with the exception of the questions I've asked (with great answers, by the way). I wish the political crap were confined to the political newsgroups where I could ignore it, but it keeps getting posted here, mostly started by lib-tards, although there do seem to be some conservatives who are guilty of starting OT threads. Why not just cut to the chase: put all of rcm into 'pinkland' or whatever sticker you want to slap on it. And then you won't see any of the comments from the regulars here, and you won't have to bother replying to them. What fun would that be? pinko Tillman |
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"Enoch Root" wrote in small part Who wants to defend this guy? Someone? He's taking advantage of welfare for the rich! You probably noticed the whole theme of the article was that some Democrats who happen to be rich act like ... rich people! Therefore, they must be hypocrites for advocating policies that help not-rich people. Conservatives are of course _not_ hypocrites: they want to pamper the rich and screw the poor and they don't care who knows it. An article listing all the ways that rich _Republicans_ act like rich people would be a boring, dog-bites-man story. I mean, who would even bother to read an article explaining Dick Cheney's estate arrangements, Bill Frist's trusts, or whether Tom Delay's exterminator business was unionized? -- TP |
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Huh???? You appear to be saying that it is man's inherent nature to sin
therefore "that's just the way it is". Ok, so in your world God didn't give man free will to choose NOT to lie, cheat, steal, murder, etc. the free will to choose does not give one the ability to do what they chose. I've got the free will to choose to levitate, but I'm not capable of such a feat. Tillman |
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In article . com, tillius
says... I'm actually a metalworking newbie. Funny, even our resident neocon Gunner offers sound and solid advice on machinery. There's a give and take on political matters but he does more than just mark his territory on the ng. With your track record, I'd be suprised if anyone takes your interest in the subject seriously. You just look too much like a troll for that. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article , Proctologically Violated©® says...
Rev. Ike knows what God wants: Damn, I haven't heard hide nor hair of 'ol Rev. Ikenkoter since WWVA stopped doing C&W music. JIm -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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tonyp wrote:
"Enoch Root" wrote in small part Who wants to defend this guy? Someone? He's taking advantage of welfare for the rich! You probably noticed the whole theme of the article was that some Democrats who happen to be rich act like ... rich people! Therefore, they must be hypocrites for advocating policies that help not-rich people. Conservatives are of course _not_ hypocrites: they want to pamper the rich and screw the poor and they don't care who knows it. An article listing all the ways that rich _Republicans_ act like rich people would be a boring, dog-bites-man story. I wish in retrospect that I'd set followups to talk.politics or something (a place I'd never venture) since, IME, it's not an appropriate subject for either of these venues. I also wish people'd not attribute these political stances to the Demublicans or the Republocrats, since to me they are one and the same. I'm a liberal/libertarian that supports the ACLU (monetarily) and the NRA (because I grew up with 'em, not because I like automatic weapons) and I think both parties are supporting someone not traditionally considered a citizen of the US. |
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He's alive and well (I think) in his palace on W. 175 St, in the former
Crack City of Wash. Hts in Manhattan. Oh yeah, God also wanted him to have about 75 wimins. ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "jim rozen" wrote in message ... In article , Proctologically Violated©® says... Rev. Ike knows what God wants: Damn, I haven't heard hide nor hair of 'ol Rev. Ikenkoter since WWVA stopped doing C&W music. JIm -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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"Proctologically Violated©®" wrote in message ... "Emmo" wrote in message ... Little known fact -- There are more English speakers in India than there are in the U.S. 2nd little known fact: They speak it more better than we does. 3rd little known fact: Ever hear of Punjabi rap? I have.... blasting out of pimped-out Civics in Queens. Goodgawd.... ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll Vich Pardesan De "In the Foreign Land..." http://www.thepunjabirapper.com/ Ask them what Lund means. |
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All this may be true, but there is also good marriage possibilities in them
thar help desks. Proly a lot better than w/ the Russian ladies--well, at least less avaricious. ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "Tim May" wrote in message ... In article . net, Jeff McCann wrote: wrote: On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:35:16 -0500, "Proctologically Violated©®" wrote: "Emmo" wrote in message .. . Little known fact -- There are more English speakers in India than there are in the U.S. 2nd little known fact: They speak it more better than we does. 3rd little known fact: Ever hear of Punjabi rap? I have.... blasting out of pimped-out Civics in Queens. Goodgawd.... 4th LARGELY known fact: Find out how well they don't speak English when you call a help desk. I'm more than a little tired of Indian technical support people who not only have a very poor grasp of idiomatic American speech and a thick, nearly indecipherable accent, but are also merely reading from prepared scripts with no actual understanding of any aspect of the technology. I talked twice tonight to some dothead scriptreaders. Why bother with their organic text-to-voice conversions at all? The old, meaningless, text files were just as useful, and faster to get through. --Tim May |
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It's all about establishing an even playing field. The rich enjoy shelters not enjoyed by the poor. What a novel idea! EVERYONE should pay the same tax rates. Wow! Why didn't others of us think of that? How soon can we start? What a maroon! The poor don't pay any tax at all... they are tax consumers. |
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What a novel idea! EVERYONE should pay the same tax rates. Wow! Why
didn't others of us think of that? How soon can we start? What a maroon! The poor don't pay any tax at all... they are tax consumers Bravo! |
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:56:39 GMT, "Dick"
wrote: The most important thing that Unions brought about is the middle class. Bull****. The U.S. has always had a robust middle class. My ancestors (not counting the Indians) lived here since, in some cases, 1620. My ancestors, and most of my siblings, have always been middle class. None of them, so far as I know, has ever been a labor union member, and thus a party to the extortion and coercion that are labor union specialties. Before unions there were the extremely rich and the extremely poor. Bull****. Nothing in between. Bull****. (rest of similar bull****, snipped) -- Robert Sturgeon Summum ius summa inuria. http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/ |
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"tillius" wrote in message oups.com... lib-tard kunkel, in a fit of panicked desparation wailed: One of the most blatant forms of hypocrisy is practiced by the Bible-thumbers who advocate "Christian values" and violate biblical law on a daily basis. Who makes up the majority of those Bible-thumping hypocrites? Why conservatives, of course. Actually, Christians are subject to the law, as Israel is. Christians know that they could never keep the law, as they are only men, made of corrupt flesh. Christians also know that man, being corrupted flesh, could never atone for his sins. That is why God sent Christ, as the perfect atonement. As Christians, we accept and know that is the price PAID for our sins. As a Christian, we also know that this doesn't give us license to sin. That attitude would be indicative of someone who wasn't truely a Christian. From my personal observation, those who claim to be Christians but "who aren't truly a Christian" outnumber the other kind by a ratio of a couple of million to one. Talking the talk but not walking the walk is the most basic form of hypocrisy. The above is a classic example of talking the talk, building a stairway to Heaven. One doesn't need to be a "pinko" to recognize the hypocrisy that is pampant in the christian faith. |
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"John Kunkel" wrote: "tillius" wrote in message oups.com... lib-tard kunkel, in a fit of panicked desparation wailed: One of the most blatant forms of hypocrisy is practiced by the Bible-thumbers who advocate "Christian values" and violate biblical law on a daily basis. Who makes up the majority of those Bible-thumping hypocrites? Why conservatives, of course. Actually, Christians are subject to the law, as Israel is. Christians know that they could never keep the law, as they are only men, made of corrupt flesh. Christians also know that man, being corrupted flesh, could never atone for his sins. That is why God sent Christ, as the perfect atonement. As Christians, we accept and know that is the price PAID for our sins. As a Christian, we also know that this doesn't give us license to sin. That attitude would be indicative of someone who wasn't truely a Christian. From my personal observation, those who claim to be Christians but "who aren't truly a Christian" outnumber the other kind by a ratio of a couple of million to one. Talking the talk but not walking the walk is the most basic form of hypocrisy. The above is a classic example of talking the talk, building a stairway to Heaven. One doesn't need to be a "pinko" to recognize the hypocrisy that is pampant in the christian faith. Nor need one be a "pinko" to recognize the rampant hypocrisy in Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Shinto, Voudun, Atheism, Liberalism, Conservatism, Socialism, Communism or any of the other many isms. Hypocrisy seems to be rampant throughout humanity. All these fractured views, makes it seem as though Man looks at the universe through badly made PR-isms. The people who seem least hypocritical about a god or gods, are Agnostics, who, logically enough, don't know, seem to think perhaps humans _can't_ know, and don't seem to care who knows it. Who knows for sure? Magumbo Gombo, Tree Lord of the Congo, might turn out to be top dog after all. And I suppose he/she/it* has his/her/its own hypocrites to deal with. * Not being well-versed in Magumboism or Gomboism, I can't really be sure which gender applies, if any. Just don't say "Hastur" three times in succession! |
OT-Got to love the Liberals
"Proctologically Violated©®" wrote in message
... How 'bout Hoover, my fav. cross-dressing homophobe.... goodgawd.... Is it true he did high heels, too?? Please try not to flaunt your ignorance by repeating an urban legend that has been propagated by demagogues on the Left to vilify one of their enemies. The myth of Hoover's cross-dressing all stems from the allegations of one person: Susan Rosenstiel, a convicted perjurer who held a personal grudge against Hoover (something to do with a divorce dispute with her ex-husband, Lewis Rosenstiel). Apparently, Susan Rosenstiel "shopped" this allegation around to a number of people in high places, including Justice Dept attorneys and journalists. The investigations found Susan's claims to be total fabrications. but one author, Anthony Summers, paid Susan for interviews she gave him and then used her stories in a book he wrote titled, "Official and Confidential: The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover". Hoover (and the then FBI) had many arch-enemies: criminal, political (anti-American Communists and Leftists), and social (including homosexual activists). So the publication of this unsubstantiated allegation of his cross-dressing was like throwing a lit match on a haystack doused with gasoline. Of course, the liberal "mainstream" media took the story on faith and ran with it (just like Dan Rather's forged documents story). Even cartoonist Pat Oliphant, drew a cartoon depicting Hoover in a dress. And the Left continues to profit from denigrating and marginalizing Hoover (as they do with all their enemies). Which is why this urabn legend will not die. |
OT-Got to love the Liberals
"George Willer" wrote in message ... It's all about establishing an even playing field. The rich enjoy shelters not enjoyed by the poor. What a novel idea! EVERYONE should pay the same tax rates. Wow! Why didn't others of us think of that? How soon can we start? What a maroon! The poor don't pay any tax at all... they are tax consumers. That's simply not true. Poor people pay taxes all the time. The only tax they don't have to pay is income tax. If they work they pay F.I.C.A. taxes. If they are poor but own property, lots of them own crummy, run-down dumps, they pay property taxes. If they drive on a toll road they pay taxes. And they pay taxes any time they buy anything from newspapers and magazines to gasoline. So, they pay taxes too, they're unavoidable especially for poor people. When you consider how little money most poor people have it's a travesty that they have to pay anything in taxes. How fair is it to take money from people that only make a few thousand a year? Yet, when you add up all the hidden taxes the poor pay it leaves them even less. The point is it is all about what's left after taxes. It doesn't matter what your gross income was when your net is still 10 million. When you make 12,000 a year isn't it a bit unfair to ask for even a thousand of that for taxes when they have so little to start with? To a Republican the answer would be no. Hawke |
OT-Got to love the Liberals
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:30:10 -0800, "Hawke"
wrote: "George Willer" wrote in message ... It's all about establishing an even playing field. The rich enjoy shelters not enjoyed by the poor. What a novel idea! EVERYONE should pay the same tax rates. Wow! Why didn't others of us think of that? How soon can we start? What a maroon! The poor don't pay any tax at all... they are tax consumers. That's simply not true. Poor people pay taxes all the time. The only tax they don't have to pay is income tax. If they work they pay F.I.C.A. taxes. If they are poor but own property, lots of them own crummy, run-down dumps, they pay property taxes. If they drive on a toll road they pay taxes. And they pay taxes any time they buy anything from newspapers and magazines to gasoline. So, they pay taxes too, they're unavoidable especially for poor people. When you consider how little money most poor people have it's a travesty that they have to pay anything in taxes. How fair is it to take money from people that only make a few thousand a year? Yet, when you add up all the hidden taxes the poor pay it leaves them even less. The point is it is all about what's left after taxes. It doesn't matter what your gross income was when your net is still 10 million. When you make 12,000 a year isn't it a bit unfair to ask for even a thousand of that for taxes when they have so little to start with? To a Republican the answer would be no. Hawke Have you considered that the Feds already give money over and above the theoretical $1,000 in income tax? Someone at the $12,000 a year level usually gets an income tax refund far in excess of what they pay. Strider |
OT-Got to love the Liberals
Hawke wrote:
When you make 12,000 a year isn't it a bit unfair to ask for even a thousand of that for taxes when they have so little to start with? To a Republican the answer would be no. I absolutely agree with that. That's why a national sales tax is a bad idea. It's also why a flat income tax for all income above $50,000 a year for a family of 4 is a more equitable idea. Conservatives in large do not want to overburden the poor. Those same conservatives also know that welfare programs in the form we have them today DO NOT help the poor. They breed dependancy and retard initiative and ambition. Safety nets ARE a great idea, as long as they are structured in a way that promotes movement OFF of the welfare rolls and into a better economic life. When these 'help' programs are engineered in such a way that if someone on welfare works to make a little extra that might push them up TO the poverty line or even in sight of it, they are penalized by removal of enough of the help that they have less than they had by not working, they effectively enslave the recipient to the welfare system that is supposed to be there to help them through the rough time. Tillman |
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