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Got into a discussion with my Massachusetts academic liberal sister. I said
it was time to stop talking about Bush and Kerry, and start thinking about the next round. I said that Hillary was likely to be the next Democratic nominee for President, and she challenged me as to who the Republican nominee would be? I went down the list of losers - not Jeb, not Frist, not Newt, not Colin, not Condi, not DeLay, not Cheney, not Arnold... Maybe McCain? Maybe Rudy? Who do you think? This might be the most interesting question in American politics right now... __ "All it took was all I had..." |
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Emmo wrote: Got into a discussion with my Massachusetts academic liberal sister. I said it was time to stop talking about Bush and Kerry, and start thinking about the next round. I said that Hillary was likely to be the next Democratic nominee for President, and she challenged me as to who the Republican nominee would be? I went down the list of losers - not Jeb, not Frist, not Newt, not Colin, not Condi, not DeLay, not Cheney, not Arnold... Maybe McCain? Maybe Rudy? Who do you think? 1 - Condi 2 - McCain 3 - Newt Not in order of my preference, but by probability IMHO |
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"Emmo" wrote in message ... Got into a discussion with my Massachusetts academic liberal sister. I said it was time to stop talking about Bush and Kerry, and start thinking about the next round. I said that Hillary was likely to be the next Democratic nominee for President, and she challenged me as to who the Republican nominee would be? I went down the list of losers - not Jeb, not Frist, not Newt, not Colin, not Condi, not DeLay, not Cheney, not Arnold... Maybe McCain? Maybe Rudy? Who do you think? This might be the most interesting question in American politics right now... __ "All it took was all I had..." Hillary Who? Dems wouldn't vote for a Clinton again on a bet, and Repubs would turn out in record numbers to vote for Big Bird if he was their party's nominee. Those Clintons are masochists when it comes to public humiliation. But they do handle it well. Hillary? Thanks. I needed a good laugh. Steve |
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Condi has never been elected to anything - I think she needs to be a NY
Senator before she can run for President. "Rex B" wrote in message ... Emmo wrote: Got into a discussion with my Massachusetts academic liberal sister. I said it was time to stop talking about Bush and Kerry, and start thinking about the next round. I said that Hillary was likely to be the next Democratic nominee for President, and she challenged me as to who the Republican nominee would be? I went down the list of losers - not Jeb, not Frist, not Newt, not Colin, not Condi, not DeLay, not Cheney, not Arnold... Maybe McCain? Maybe Rudy? Who do you think? 1 - Condi 2 - McCain 3 - Newt Not in order of my preference, but by probability IMHO |
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Well, we will see, but I believe that most Dems would disagree with you.
Although it is quite early, of course, Hillary is something like double the next closest alternative (Kerry) in the polls... She is amazingly popular among women and black voters... Anyway, that is not the question - who is the Republican candidate going to be?? "SteveB" wrote in message news:G2e5f.17966$fE5.5927@fed1read06... "Emmo" wrote in message ... Got into a discussion with my Massachusetts academic liberal sister. I said it was time to stop talking about Bush and Kerry, and start thinking about the next round. I said that Hillary was likely to be the next Democratic nominee for President, and she challenged me as to who the Republican nominee would be? I went down the list of losers - not Jeb, not Frist, not Newt, not Colin, not Condi, not DeLay, not Cheney, not Arnold... Maybe McCain? Maybe Rudy? Who do you think? This might be the most interesting question in American politics right now... __ "All it took was all I had..." Hillary Who? Dems wouldn't vote for a Clinton again on a bet, and Repubs would turn out in record numbers to vote for Big Bird if he was their party's nominee. Those Clintons are masochists when it comes to public humiliation. But they do handle it well. Hillary? Thanks. I needed a good laugh. Steve |
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from CBS News - "When matched in national polls, Clinton takes command. In a
late-April Marist College survey, 40 percent of Democrats favored Clinton for the nomination. Kerry trailed with 18 percent, while Edwards picked up 16 percent." |
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"Emmo" wrote in message ... Well, we will see, but I believe that most Dems would disagree with you. Although it is quite early, of course, Hillary is something like double the next closest alternative (Kerry) in the polls... She is amazingly popular among women and black voters... Anyway, that is not the question - who is the Republican candidate going to be?? Don't matter. They could run a dead man and beat Hillary. Steve |
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Rex B wrote:
Emmo wrote: Got into a discussion with my Massachusetts academic liberal sister. I said it was time to stop talking about Bush and Kerry, and start thinking about the next round. I said that Hillary was likely to be the next Democratic nominee for President, and she challenged me as to who the Republican nominee would be? I went down the list of losers - not Jeb, not Frist, not Newt, not Colin, not Condi, not DeLay, not Cheney, not Arnold... Maybe McCain? Maybe Rudy? Who do you think? 1 - Condi 2 - McCain 3 - Newt Not in order of my preference, but by probability IMHO http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar.../18whwatch.htm -- John R. Carroll Machining Solution Software, Inc. Los Angeles San Francisco www.machiningsolution.com |
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In article , Emmo says...
Got into a discussion with my Massachusetts academic liberal sister. I said it was time to stop talking about Bush and Kerry, and start thinking about the next round. I said that Hillary was likely to be the next Democratic nominee for President, and she challenged me as to who the Republican nominee would be? I don't know about that, but right *now* she is running against janine piro for the senate seat. The republicans have put piro up to this, she's the sacrificial lamb. The best quote was when a reporter asked the NY conservative party leader if they were 'jumping on the piro bandwagon.' He replied "We're not jumping on any bandwagons." LOL. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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The man who should have won the Repub. primary and presidency in 2000 but
thru Bush's dirty tactics will run and win in 2008 and he is John McCain. This country would be in a much better condition now if the deserter and his mob had not painted a war hero and prisoner of war for 5 years as a traitor in 2000. Dick -- Richard H. Neighbors Building and repairing fine billiard cues for real pool players at affordable prices. Over 35 years exp. Located in Cincinnati OH ph.# 513 233-7499 web site http://www.dickiecues.com "jim rozen" wrote in message ... In article , Emmo says... Got into a discussion with my Massachusetts academic liberal sister. I said it was time to stop talking about Bush and Kerry, and start thinking about the next round. I said that Hillary was likely to be the next Democratic nominee for President, and she challenged me as to who the Republican nominee would be? I don't know about that, but right *now* she is running against janine piro for the senate seat. The republicans have put piro up to this, she's the sacrificial lamb. The best quote was when a reporter asked the NY conservative party leader if they were 'jumping on the piro bandwagon.' He replied "We're not jumping on any bandwagons." LOL. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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"Dick" writes:
The man who should have won the Repub. primary and presidency in 2000 but thru Bush's dirty tactics will run and win in 2008 and he is John McCain. This country would be in a much better condition now if the deserter and his mob had not painted a war hero and prisoner of war for 5 years as a traitor in 2000. Dick I wonder how many more times McCain is going to let the GOP screw him. Maybe he's just biding his time- I hope its not skeletons in the closet. He's about the only candidate I think I might trust. The Dems sure haven't been able to shed the dead-weight and get out from under Hillary and her posse. Gregm |
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"Emmo" wrote in message ... Got into a discussion with my Massachusetts academic liberal sister. I said it was time to stop talking about Bush and Kerry, and start thinking about the next round. I said that Hillary was likely to be the next Democratic nominee for President, there is no, NO, chance that she will be the Democratic nominee Ottoyou heard it here first, or maybe, last and she challenged me as to who the Republican nominee would be? I went down the list of losers - not Jeb, not Frist, not Newt, not Colin, not Condi, not DeLay, not Cheney, not Arnold... Maybe McCain? Maybe Rudy? Who do you think? This might be the most interesting question in American politics right now... __ "All it took was all I had..." |
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:36:06 -0500, Rex B
wrote: Emmo wrote: Got into a discussion with my Massachusetts academic liberal sister. I said it was time to stop talking about Bush and Kerry, and start thinking about the next round. I said that Hillary was likely to be the next Democratic nominee for President, and she challenged me as to who the Republican nominee would be? I went down the list of losers - not Jeb, not Frist, not Newt, not Colin, not Condi, not DeLay, not Cheney, not Arnold... Maybe McCain? Maybe Rudy? Who do you think? 1 - Condi 2 - McCain 3 - Newt Not in order of my preference, but by probability IMHO Juliani will be a VP pick Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On 19 Oct 2005 00:01:08 -0400, Greg Menke
wrote: "Dick" writes: The man who should have won the Repub. primary and presidency in 2000 but thru Bush's dirty tactics will run and win in 2008 and he is John McCain. This country would be in a much better condition now if the deserter and his mob had not painted a war hero and prisoner of war for 5 years as a traitor in 2000. Dick I wonder how many more times McCain is going to let the GOP screw him. Maybe he's just biding his time- I hope its not skeletons in the closet. He's about the only candidate I think I might trust. The Dems sure haven't been able to shed the dead-weight and get out from under Hillary and her posse. Gregm McCane should simply annouce he is joining the Democrats. He votes with them..so why not? Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:26:31 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
quickly quoth: On 19 Oct 2005 00:01:08 -0400, Greg Menke wrote: "Dick" writes: The man who should have won the Repub. primary and presidency in 2000 but thru Bush's dirty tactics will run and win in 2008 and he is John McCain. This country would be in a much better condition now if the deserter and his mob had not painted a war hero and prisoner of war for 5 years as a traitor in 2000. Dick I wonder how many more times McCain is going to let the GOP screw him. Maybe he's just biding his time- I hope its not skeletons in the closet. He's about the only candidate I think I might trust. The Dems sure haven't been able to shed the dead-weight and get out from under Hillary and her posse. Gregm McCane should simply annouce he is joining the Democrats. He votes with them..so why not? C'mon, Gunner. John McCain is one of the good guys. Just because he isn't fawning all over Shrub is no reason to hate him. He's one of the least partisan congresscritters we have. I just wish it was he who had won the Rep. ticket in 2000. He might have salvaged some respect for the Presidency of the United States. -Buddha knows- we need it now. sigh ----------------------------------------------- I'll apologize for offending someone...right after they apologize for being easily offended. ----------------------------------------------- http://www.diversify.com Inoffensive Web Design |
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In article , Gunner says...
McCane should simply annouce he is joining the Democrats. He votes with them..so why not? Hey, it worked in vermont. That guy didn't leave the party. It left him. Could work for McCain too. The shrubbies need to realize that the rest of the country is getting tired of all the wingnut crap. This includes a great deal of their own party members. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Greg Menke wrote:
"Dick" writes: The man who should have won the Repub. primary and presidency in 2000 but thru Bush's dirty tactics will run and win in 2008 and he is John McCain. This country would be in a much better condition now if the deserter and his mob had not painted a war hero and prisoner of war for 5 years as a traitor in 2000. Dick I wonder how many more times McCain is going to let the GOP screw him. Maybe he's just biding his time- I hope its not skeletons in the closet. He's about the only candidate I think I might trust. The Dems sure haven't been able to shed the dead-weight and get out from under Hillary and her posse. Maybe McCain ought to switch to Libertarian. He'd get my vote, and might bring some other Libertarian candidates into Congress on his coattails. |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:49:57 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: McCane should simply annouce he is joining the Democrats. He votes with them..so why not? C'mon, Gunner. John McCain is one of the good guys. Just because he isn't fawning all over Shrub is no reason to hate him. He's one of the least partisan congresscritters we have. I just wish it was he who had won the Rep. ticket in 2000. He might have salvaged some respect for the Presidency of the United States. -Buddha knows- we need it now. sigh McCain is a RINO..Republican in name only. I think Joe Leiberman is more conservative. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On 19 Oct 2005 05:52:51 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... McCane should simply annouce he is joining the Democrats. He votes with them..so why not? Hey, it worked in vermont. That guy didn't leave the party. It left him. Could work for McCain too. The shrubbies need to realize that the rest of the country is getting tired of all the wingnut crap. This includes a great deal of their own party members. Jim Which is why the Right continues to win elections, while the Left is in tattles shambles, going down in flames. Correct? Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:55:53 -0500, Rex B
wrote: Greg Menke wrote: "Dick" writes: The man who should have won the Repub. primary and presidency in 2000 but thru Bush's dirty tactics will run and win in 2008 and he is John McCain. This country would be in a much better condition now if the deserter and his mob had not painted a war hero and prisoner of war for 5 years as a traitor in 2000. Dick I wonder how many more times McCain is going to let the GOP screw him. Maybe he's just biding his time- I hope its not skeletons in the closet. He's about the only candidate I think I might trust. The Dems sure haven't been able to shed the dead-weight and get out from under Hillary and her posse. Maybe McCain ought to switch to Libertarian. He'd get my vote, and might bring some other Libertarian candidates into Congress on his coattails. McCain is HARDLY a Libertarian. Seen his stance on gun control? Google is your friend. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:27:10 GMT, "Emmo"
wrote: Got into a discussion with my Massachusetts academic liberal sister. I said it was time to stop talking about Bush and Kerry, and start thinking about the next round. I said that Hillary was likely to be the next Democratic nominee for President, and she challenged me as to who the Republican nominee would be? I went down the list of losers - not Jeb, not Frist, not Newt, not Colin, not Condi, not DeLay, not Cheney, not Arnold... Maybe McCain? Maybe Rudy? Who do you think? This might be the most interesting question in American politics right now... "All it took was all I had..." =================================== You have identified the major danger to the republic. The major political parties (demipublicans and republocrats) for the most part are ethically and intelectually bankrupt, continuing to chant obsolete slogans and apply solutions to problems that disappeard many years ago while ignoring the new threats such as immigration, de-industrilization, petro/energy shortage and an economy/financial structure increasingly based on "casino capitalism." While I differ greatly on a number of issues with him, I think it is time we elect someone like Barack Obama, who at least appears able to pour p**s out of a boot, even if the directions are not printed on the heel. |
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Rex B writes: Greg Menke wrote: "Dick" writes: The man who should have won the Repub. primary and presidency in 2000 but thru Bush's dirty tactics will run and win in 2008 and he is John McCain. This country would be in a much better condition now if the deserter and his mob had not painted a war hero and prisoner of war for 5 years as a traitor in 2000. Dick I wonder how many more times McCain is going to let the GOP screw him. Maybe he's just biding his time- I hope its not skeletons in the closet. He's about the only candidate I think I might trust. The Dems sure haven't been able to shed the dead-weight and get out from under Hillary and her posse. Maybe McCain ought to switch to Libertarian. He'd get my vote, and might bring some other Libertarian candidates into Congress on his coattails. They have more per-capita nutjobs than the other two parties put together, unfortunately. McCain would improve the property values but it would likely cost him any chance of being elected. Can you imagine how vigorously the Demos & GOP would unite in opposition of a plausible 3rd party? At this point I'd be happy with a candidate I could halfway trust even if I disagreed extensively with him/her. Gregm |
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Gunner wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:55:53 -0500, Rex B wrote: Greg Menke wrote: "Dick" writes: The man who should have won the Repub. primary and presidency in 2000 but thru Bush's dirty tactics will run and win in 2008 and he is John McCain. This country would be in a much better condition now if the deserter and his mob had not painted a war hero and prisoner of war for 5 years as a traitor in 2000. Dick I wonder how many more times McCain is going to let the GOP screw him. Maybe he's just biding his time- I hope its not skeletons in the closet. He's about the only candidate I think I might trust. The Dems sure haven't been able to shed the dead-weight and get out from under Hillary and her posse. Maybe McCain ought to switch to Libertarian. He'd get my vote, and might bring some other Libertarian candidates into Congress on his coattails. McCain is HARDLY a Libertarian. Seen his stance on gun control? That was partly in jest, but think about it: My sympathies are more Libertarian than anything, but there's the old "throwing awy your vote" thing. If they put up a candidate that could actually win, the net gain for conservativism would be significant. And i doubt any politician would sign a gun control bill knowing that the vast majority of those that voted him in are vehemently against it. |
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Greg Menke wrote:
Rex B writes: Greg Menke wrote: "Dick" writes: The man who should have won the Repub. primary and presidency in 2000 but thru Bush's dirty tactics will run and win in 2008 and he is John McCain. This country would be in a much better condition now if the deserter and his mob had not painted a war hero and prisoner of war for 5 years as a traitor in 2000. Dick I wonder how many more times McCain is going to let the GOP screw him. Maybe he's just biding his time- I hope its not skeletons in the closet. He's about the only candidate I think I might trust. The Dems sure haven't been able to shed the dead-weight and get out from under Hillary and her posse. Maybe McCain ought to switch to Libertarian. He'd get my vote, and might bring some other Libertarian candidates into Congress on his coattails. They have more per-capita nutjobs than the other two parties put together, unfortunately. McCain would improve the property values but it would likely cost him any chance of being elected. Can you imagine how vigorously the Demos & GOP would unite in opposition of a plausible 3rd party? At this point I'd be happy with a candidate I could halfway trust even if I disagreed extensively with him/her. That's basically where I am with McCain |
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Rex B wrote:
Maybe McCain ought to switch to Libertarian. He'd get my vote, and might bring some other Libertarian candidates into Congress on his coattails. McCain is into gun control. Hardly a Libertarian philosophy afaikt. McCain is a moderate Republican which automatically makes him more palatable to Democrats much like Zell Miller, a conservative Democrat, is palatable to Republicans. I think Mr. McCain is an honorable man who has served his country well. It doesn't mean I'm going to vote for him though. Wes -- Reply to: Whiskey Echo Sierra Sierra AT Alpha Charlie Echo Golf Romeo Oscar Paul dot Charlie Charlie Lycos address is a spam trap. |
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Remember when McCain was 'campaigning' for Bush and said he backed .... Whoops..
I think he is one of the heroes of his day, but is lasting in government to long. He won't be thought of well if he continues what he does and causing reactions... Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder Gunner wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:49:57 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: McCane should simply annouce he is joining the Democrats. He votes with them..so why not? C'mon, Gunner. John McCain is one of the good guys. Just because he isn't fawning all over Shrub is no reason to hate him. He's one of the least partisan congresscritters we have. I just wish it was he who had won the Rep. ticket in 2000. He might have salvaged some respect for the Presidency of the United States. -Buddha knows- we need it now. sigh McCain is a RINO..Republican in name only. I think Joe Leiberman is more conservative. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:49:57 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: McCane should simply annouce he is joining the Democrats. He votes with them..so why not? C'mon, Gunner. John McCain is one of the good guys. Just because he isn't fawning all over Shrub is no reason to hate him. He's one of the least partisan congresscritters we have. I just wish it was he who had won the Rep. ticket in 2000. He might have salvaged some respect for the Presidency of the United States. -Buddha knows- we need it now. sigh McCain is...I think Joe Leiberman is more conservative. he is, but so what? McCain is what Republicans used to be before they sold out Otto Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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wrote in message ... Rex B wrote: Maybe McCain ought to switch to Libertarian. He'd get my vote, and might bring some other Libertarian candidates into Congress on his coattails. McCain is into gun control. Hardly a Libertarian philosophy afaikt. McCain is a moderate Republican which automatically makes him more palatable to Democrats much like Zell Miller, a conservative Democrat, is palatable to Republicans. except that McCain is an honorable man, whereas Zell is pure scum-bag, last of the bolweivles(sp?) he is only "in" the Democratic party because he is a red-neck from GA Otto I think Mr. McCain is an honorable man who has served his country well. It doesn't mean I'm going to vote for him though. Wes -- Reply to: Whiskey Echo Sierra Sierra AT Alpha Charlie Echo Golf Romeo Oscar Paul dot Charlie Charlie Lycos address is a spam trap. |
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:34:12 GMT, "ottomatic"
wrote: McCain is...I think Joe Leiberman is more conservative. he is, but so what? McCain is what Republicans used to be before they sold out Otto Ah....No...McCain is what Democrats used to be before they took that fatal plunge off the Left side of the mountain. Think JFK would be accepted as a staunch Democrat these days? Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:02:52 -0500, Rex B
wrote: Gunner wrote: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:55:53 -0500, Rex B wrote: Greg Menke wrote: "Dick" writes: The man who should have won the Repub. primary and presidency in 2000 but thru Bush's dirty tactics will run and win in 2008 and he is John McCain. This country would be in a much better condition now if the deserter and his mob had not painted a war hero and prisoner of war for 5 years as a traitor in 2000. Dick I wonder how many more times McCain is going to let the GOP screw him. Maybe he's just biding his time- I hope its not skeletons in the closet. He's about the only candidate I think I might trust. The Dems sure haven't been able to shed the dead-weight and get out from under Hillary and her posse. Maybe McCain ought to switch to Libertarian. He'd get my vote, and might bring some other Libertarian candidates into Congress on his coattails. McCain is HARDLY a Libertarian. Seen his stance on gun control? That was partly in jest, but think about it: My sympathies are more Libertarian than anything, but there's the old "throwing awy your vote" thing. If they put up a candidate that could actually win, the net gain for conservativism would be significant. And i doubt any politician would sign a gun control bill knowing that the vast majority of those that voted him in are vehemently against it. http://www.gunweek.com/2004/GRPC04/04GRPC1a.html "It's not surprising that the anti-gunners would be engaged in a masquerade for this campaign, they've been doing it for a lot of years..." Liberal anti-gun Democrats have been engaged in a year-long masquerade in an attempt to beguile gunowners, and as the Nov. 2 election looms, it is important to see beneath the mask...... ......... "It's not surprising that the anti-gunners would be engaged in a masquerade for this campaign, they've been doing it for a lot of years," Tartaro, who said he is a registered Democrat, reported as he warmed up the audience for the first day of the conference. "Democrats began their most recent masquerade last year when Americans for Gun Safety (AGS) developed a strategy to try and finesse single-issue voters in the gun rights movement." Democrats have been, he recalled, working hard to overcome an anti-gun image they believe cost them control of Congress in 1994 and the White House four years ago. But Tartaro cautioned gunowners that what Democrats are saying is disingenuous, and masks their true intentions if they regain power. "I've seen letters from Charlie Schumer and Dianne Feinstein and others saying we support the Second Amendment," he noted. "I've never seen them say 'we support the individual right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms.' They never say that. They say the 'Second Amendment' because while they're putting one mask on, they're already thinking about what they mean by the Second Amendment and it certainly isn't what we mean." Tartaro also noted that Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry may have hurt his party's effort more than anyone by recently appearing with gun control icon Sarah Brady. Tartaro's remarks opened the door for a verbal barrage against the anti-gun movement, and particularly Kerry, by Gottlieb, who also alluded to Democrat's efforts to re-make their image. "Even the Democratic national committee, which supports every anti-gun scheme from Maine to California in their platform this year for the first time said they support the Second Amendment," he said. "Polls are showing now that voters are more inclined to vote for candidates who support our right to keep and bear arms," Gottlieb noted. "At the same time we're finding that a lot of our opponents are pretending they're pro-gun when they're not." "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:05:33 -0500, Rex B
wrote: They have more per-capita nutjobs than the other two parties put together, unfortunately. McCain would improve the property values but it would likely cost him any chance of being elected. Can you imagine how vigorously the Demos & GOP would unite in opposition of a plausible 3rd party? At this point I'd be happy with a candidate I could halfway trust even if I disagreed extensively with him/her. That's basically where I am with McCain I trust McCain..and thats the problem. He has certainly stated his positions..and they are not where I wish the Republican Party to go. Neville Chamberlain learned all about that style of politics 60 yrs ago..... Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:40:58 GMT, "ottomatic"
wrote: McCain is into gun control. Hardly a Libertarian philosophy afaikt. McCain is a moderate Republican which automatically makes him more palatable to Democrats much like Zell Miller, a conservative Democrat, is palatable to Republicans. except that McCain is an honorable man, whereas Zell is pure scum-bag, last of the bolweivles(sp?) he is only "in" the Democratic party because he is a red-neck from GA Otto Lets see..are you by any chance related to Otto Skorzeny? Nope..sorry..by all accounts he was an honorable man. Now about old Zell...please explain why you consider Zell a scumbag. Then explain why Byrd or Lyndon LaRouche are not? Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
OT - Hillary vs. who?
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:27:49 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote: On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:27:10 GMT, "Emmo" wrote: Got into a discussion with my Massachusetts academic liberal sister. I said it was time to stop talking about Bush and Kerry, and start thinking about the next round. I said that Hillary was likely to be the next Democratic nominee for President, and she challenged me as to who the Republican nominee would be? I went down the list of losers - not Jeb, not Frist, not Newt, not Colin, not Condi, not DeLay, not Cheney, not Arnold... Maybe McCain? Maybe Rudy? Who do you think? This might be the most interesting question in American politics right now... "All it took was all I had..." =================================== You have identified the major danger to the republic. The major political parties (demipublicans and republocrats) for the most part are ethically and intelectually bankrupt, continuing to chant obsolete slogans and apply solutions to problems that disappeard many years ago while ignoring the new threats such as immigration, de-industrilization, petro/energy shortage and an economy/financial structure increasingly based on "casino capitalism." While I differ greatly on a number of issues with him, I think it is time we elect someone like Barack Obama, who at least appears able to pour p**s out of a boot, even if the directions are not printed on the heel. The Fringe Kook Leftwing extremists who have hijacked the DNC, will never allow him to run. First of all..he is black..and the DNC hates sucessful blacks even more than conservatives..and secondly..he is intelligent....and the DNC hates intelligent blacks almost as much as sucessful blacks As Americans, we can take enormous pride in the fact that courage has been inspired by our own struggle for freedom, by the tradition of democratic law secured by our forefathers and enshrined in our Constitution. It is a tradition that says all men are created equal under the law and that no one is above it. Barack Obama Community colleges play an important role in helping people transition between careers by providing the retooling they need to take on a new career. Barack Obama I didn't see the weapons of mass destruction at the time, I didn't think there was an imminent threat from Saddam Hussein. Barack Obama I'm so overexposed, I'm making Paris Hilton look like a recluse. Barack Obama If you're walking down the right path and you're willing to keep walking, eventually you'll make progress. Barack Obama It took a lot of blood, sweat and tears to get to where we are today, but we have just begun. Today we begin in earnest the work of making sure that the world we leave our children is just a little bit better than the one we inhabit today. Barack Obama John Kerry believes in an America where hard work is rewarded. Barack Obama Money is not the only answer, but it makes a difference. Barack Obama My first job is to say thank you to those who voted me. Those who didn't, I'm going to get your vote next time. Barack Obama My job is not to represent Washington to you, but to represent you to Washington. Barack Obama There's not a liberal America and a conservative America - there's the United States of America. Barack Obama This budget tells our veterans that if they want increased funding for the VA they'll have to pay for it themselves. Barack Obama To the extent that we've got a fiscal crisis right now, part of it is prompted by a bullheaded insistence on the part of the president, for example, that we should extend all of his tax cuts, make all of them permanent. Barack Obama Today we are engaged in a deadly global struggle for those who would intimidate, torture, and murder people for exercising the most basic freedoms. If we are to win this struggle and spread those freedoms, we must keep our own moral compass pointed in a true direction. Barack Obama We can rattle our sabers all we want but, realistically, we don't have troops for an invasion [Iran] and surgical strikes aren't going to work. Barack Obama We have an obligation and a responsibility to be investing in our students and our schools. We must make sure that people who have the grades, the desire and the will, but not the money, can still get the best education possible. Barack Obama We have real enemies in the world. These enemies must be found. They must be pursued and they must be defeated. Barack Obama We need to internalize this idea of excellence. Not many folks spend a lot of time trying to be excellent. Barack Obama We need to steer clear of this poverty of ambition, where people want to drive fancy cars and wear nice clothes and live in nice apartments but don't want to work hard to accomplish these things. Everyone should try to realize their full potential. Barack Obama With the changing economy, no one has lifetime employment. But community colleges provide lifetime employability. Barack Obama "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
OT - Hillary vs. who?
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:31:26 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
quickly quoth: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:05:33 -0500, Rex B wrote: They have more per-capita nutjobs than the other two parties put together, unfortunately. McCain would improve the property values but it would likely cost him any chance of being elected. Can you imagine how vigorously the Demos & GOP would unite in opposition of a plausible 3rd party? At this point I'd be happy with a candidate I could halfway trust even if I disagreed extensively with him/her. That's basically where I am with McCain I trust McCain..and thats the problem. He has certainly stated his positions..and they are not where I wish the Republican Party to go. But George W. Bush IS?!? AYOOYFM? He's acting more like a Dem than most Dems do. thud (OK, a wildly schizophrenic Dem.) Although I don't agree with a few of his stances (guns, abortion), I'd much rather have McCain in office now than the Shrub. I can't think of one single issue on which I agree with the Shrub. He's going to destabilize our country so thoroughly that anyone could waltz in and take over. The farce they call Homeland Security is just the tip of the iceberg. We're less safe today than before 9/11, in part due to the alienation by the entire rest of the world because of his policies. -- The older I get, the better I was. ---------------------------------- http://diversify.com - Better Website Programming |
OT - Hillary vs. who?
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:44:45 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
quickly quoth: The Fringe Kook Leftwing extremists who have hijacked the DNC, will The Fringe Kook Rightwing extremists who have hijacked the RNC don't balance out the others. We need to get away from this totally corrupted, stinking, festering two-party system SOON. ---------------------------------------------------------------- * OPERA: A Latin word * Wondrous Website Design * meaning * Save your Heirloom Photos * "death by music" * http://www.diversify.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- |
OT - Hillary vs. who?
In article , Larry Jaques says...
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:44:45 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner quickly quoth: The Fringe Kook Leftwing extremists who have hijacked the DNC, will The Fringe Kook Rightwing extremists who have hijacked the RNC don't balance out the others. We need to get away from this totally corrupted, stinking, festering two-party system SOON. If there are enough felony indictments, there won't be enough politicians left around to trouble with! Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
OT - Hillary vs. who?
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:37:11 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:31:26 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner quickly quoth: On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:05:33 -0500, Rex B wrote: They have more per-capita nutjobs than the other two parties put together, unfortunately. McCain would improve the property values but it would likely cost him any chance of being elected. Can you imagine how vigorously the Demos & GOP would unite in opposition of a plausible 3rd party? At this point I'd be happy with a candidate I could halfway trust even if I disagreed extensively with him/her. That's basically where I am with McCain I trust McCain..and thats the problem. He has certainly stated his positions..and they are not where I wish the Republican Party to go. But George W. Bush IS?!? AYOOYFM? He's acting more like a Dem than most Dems do. thud (OK, a wildly schizophrenic Dem.) Actually, Im quite unhappy with Bush. And I held my nose and voted for him both times. I simply looked at the available choices and it was a no brainer to vote for Bush. Although I don't agree with a few of his stances (guns, abortion), I'd much rather have McCain in office now than the Shrub. I can't think of one single issue on which I agree with the Shrub. He's going to destabilize our country so thoroughly that anyone could waltz in and take over. The farce they call Homeland Security is just the tip of the iceberg. We're less safe today than before 9/11, in part due to the alienation by the entire rest of the world because of his policies. If I wanted to vote for a Democrat, no matter the color of his fleece..Id vote for Joe Leiberman, rather than McCain Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
OT - Hillary vs. who?
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:43:08 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:44:45 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner quickly quoth: The Fringe Kook Leftwing extremists who have hijacked the DNC, will The Fringe Kook Rightwing extremists who have hijacked the RNC don't balance out the others. We need to get away from this totally corrupted, stinking, festering two-party system SOON. So, abortion has been banned, prayer has been mandated in schools, all taxes have been eliminated, and liberals are in concentration camps? Please be specific. Use as much white space as necessary and no extreme leftwing lunatic blogs allowed. Gunner ---------------------------------------------------------------- * OPERA: A Latin word * Wondrous Website Design * meaning * Save your Heirloom Photos * "death by music" * http://www.diversify.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
OT - Hillary vs. who?
A Republican blogger, Patrick Ruffini, has recently run a straw poll between
those he feels are most likely candidates for the Republican nomination. He suggests George Allen, Bill Frist, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain and Mitt Romney as choices, and reports the following on his site: http://www.patrickruffini.com Total Votes: 17759 Results: Allen 6411 (36.1%) Giuliani: 5422 (30.5%) Romney: 2491 (14%) McCain: 1691 (9.5%) Frist: 1197 (6.7%) |
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