I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest Internet
Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as it
was/is an executable called "installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly
looks authentic, so I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there is
a section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual
example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...
--
David
1964 Karmann Ghia coupe
1998 Chev K1500
2000 Subaru Legacy GT

Microsoft will never email you an update


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003

Trust Me, Its not NEW. In fact I have been reading about it for months.
Some of us are getting sick of reading all about it in every newsgroup, all
the time. so just protect yourself.
I saw some in my box about 4 months ago, and figured it out, now i never see
it anymore.




"D" dwrate@interbaundotc0m wrote in message
...
I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest Internet
Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as it
was/is an executable called "installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly
looks authentic, so I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there
is
a section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual
example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...
--
David
1964 Karmann Ghia coupe
1998 Chev K1500
2000 Subaru Legacy GT

over 3000 of them the last week


"Buzz Lightyear" wrote in message
news:cOodb.35875$TM4.23330@pd7tw2no...
Trust Me, Its not NEW. In fact I have been reading about it for months.
Some of us are getting sick of reading all about it in every newsgroup,
all
the time. so just protect yourself.
I saw some in my box about 4 months ago, and figured it out, now i never
see
it anymore.




"D" dwrate@interbaundotc0m wrote in message
...
I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
Internet
Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as
it
was/is an executable called "installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly
looks authentic, so I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there
is
a section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual
example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...
--
David
1964 Karmann Ghia coupe
1998 Chev K1500
2000 Subaru Legacy GT

There are a lot of these going around now with various headings trying to
make it appear as if they came from Microsoft. Microsoft never sends
unsolicited software updates by email! Delete them without opening.
Billh

"D" dwrate@interbaundotc0m wrote in message
...
I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest Internet
Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as it
was/is an executable called "installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly
looks authentic, so I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there
is
a section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual
example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...
--
David
1964 Karmann Ghia coupe
1998 Chev K1500
2000 Subaru Legacy GT

i have been hit by about 40 of this type in the last week. my antivirus has
flagged everyone of them as containing a virus.

"D" dwrate@interbaundotc0m wrote in message
...
I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest Internet
Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as it
was/is an executable called "installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly
looks authentic, so I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there
is
a section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual
example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...
--
David
1964 Karmann Ghia coupe
1998 Chev K1500
2000 Subaru Legacy GT

I've been getting 30-40 of these a day for the last 3 weeks.

I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest Internet
Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as it

SPAM - either filter out or just delete without opening. Some contain
viruses.

Regards,

Marv

Dante M. Catoni wrote:
I've been getting 30-40 of these a day for the last 3 weeks.


I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest Internet
Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as it

Marv Soloff scribed in
:

SPAM - either filter out or just delete without opening. Some
contain viruses.

NOT SPAM, VIRUS

Microsoft is many things, but they are not stupid enough to send spam
by email

Regards,

Marv

Dante M. Catoni wrote:
I've been getting 30-40 of these a day for the last 3 weeks.


I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
Internet
Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express
removed as it






--
swarf, steam and wind

--
David Forsyth -:- the email address is real /"\
http://terrapin.ru.ac.za/~iwdf/welcome.html \ /
ASCII Ribbon campaign against HTML E-Mail - - - - - - - X
If you receive email saying "Send this to everyone you know," / \
PLEASE pretend you don't know me.

Microsoft has nothing to do with these messages - other than making and
selling some pretty bad software.

Regards,

Marv

DejaVU wrote:
Marv Soloff scribed in
:


SPAM - either filter out or just delete without opening. Some
contain viruses.


NOT SPAM, VIRUS

Microsoft is many things, but they are not stupid enough to send spam
by email


Regards,

Marv

Dante M. Catoni wrote:

I've been getting 30-40 of these a day for the last 3 weeks.


I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest

Internet

Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express

removed as it

"D" dwrate@interbaundotc0m wrote in
:

I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is
"Newest Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that
Outlook Express removed as it was/is an executable called
"installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so
I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a
section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an
actual example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like
the email I received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...

Pay attention to any mail from eBay as well. There's a few versions
of spoofs going around.

One even takes you to a genuine looking secure eBay page, and then
asks you to put information into a popup page. Bad gimshe.

Rager wrote in message ...
"D" dwrate@interbaundotc0m wrote in
:

I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is
"Newest Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that
Outlook Express removed as it was/is an executable called
"installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so
I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a
section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an
actual example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like
the email I received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...

Pay attention to any mail from eBay as well. There's a few versions
of spoofs going around.

One even takes you to a genuine looking secure eBay page, and then
asks you to put information into a popup page. Bad gimshe.

WTH
Look at that post. "I received an e-mail from Microsoft today." She
still believes it!¿
People must live under rocks or something not to be aware of this
stuff, which has been going on for years. Gullible people just invite
more scams, spams, and hackers. I guess the old pigeon drop still
works too so I should not be surprised.

D dwrate@interbaundotc0m scribed in
:

I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...

it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
and all the rest of us.

Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.

swarf, steam and wind

--
David Forsyth -:- the email address is real /"\
http://terrapin.ru.ac.za/~iwdf/welcome.html \ /
ASCII Ribbon campaign against HTML E-Mail - - - - - - - X
If you receive email saying "Send this to everyone you know," / \
PLEASE pretend you don't know me.

"DejaVU" wrote in message
...
D dwrate@interbaundotc0m scribed in
:

I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...

it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
and all the rest of us.

Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.

swarf, steam and wind



Oh, purleese.
If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think that
all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
much mistaken.

Mike

That's a crock! Spam, and virus' and worms will be around no matter what you
email client is! Get a life Gumby and stop spamming this newsgroup with your
idiotic, uninformed ravings!!


"mb" wrote in message
.. .

"DejaVU" wrote in message
...
D dwrate@interbaundotc0m scribed in
:

I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...

it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
and all the rest of us.

Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.

swarf, steam and wind



Oh, purleese.
If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think that
all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
much mistaken.

Mike

I use outlook express / internet explorer and nothing else.

I dont get these virus's sent to me.

It has way more to do with your personal internet habits, and way less to do
with what software you use.


"Perry Murlless" wrote in message
...
That's a crock! Spam, and virus' and worms will be around no matter what
you
email client is! Get a life Gumby and stop spamming this newsgroup with
your
idiotic, uninformed ravings!!


"mb" wrote in message
.. .

"DejaVU" wrote in message
...
D dwrate@interbaundotc0m scribed in
:

I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...

it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
and all the rest of us.

Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.

swarf, steam and wind



Oh, purleese.
If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else',
then
the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think
that
all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're
very
much mistaken.

Mike

here too:

but if Netscape was the browser of choice for the majority, the viruses
would be targetting Netscape

same for Eudora, Agent or any other

the viruses are targetted at Outlook cause its the most widely used

what's so hard to understand about that, folks ?


"Buzz Lightyear" wrote in message
news:6YZdb.44210$I36.24471@pd7tw3no...
I use outlook express / internet explorer and nothing else.

I dont get these virus's sent to me.

It has way more to do with your personal internet habits, and way less to
do
with what software you use.


"Perry Murlless" wrote in message
...
That's a crock! Spam, and virus' and worms will be around no matter what
you
email client is! Get a life Gumby and stop spamming this newsgroup with
your
idiotic, uninformed ravings!!


"mb" wrote in message
.. .

"DejaVU" wrote in message
...
D dwrate@interbaundotc0m scribed in
:

I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...

it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
and all the rest of us.

Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is
vulnerable.
IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.

swarf, steam and wind



Oh, purleese.
If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else',
then
the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think
that
all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're
very
much mistaken.

Mike

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:19:23 -0700, "Perry Murlless"
wrote:

That's a crock! Spam, and virus' and worms will be around no matter what you
email client is! Get a life Gumby and stop spamming this newsgroup with your
idiotic, uninformed ravings!!

While true to some extent...how many Mac viruses are there? Linux?
Eudora is one of the most popular email clients out there. Found a
virus yet that targets Eudora?

Denial is not a river in Egypt. Keep what you have..it works for me.
Being a nice dumb fat vulnerable target for the script kiddies keeps
the pressure off the rest of us.

Gunner



"mb" wrote in message
. ..

"DejaVU" wrote in message
...
D dwrate@interbaundotc0m scribed in
:

I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...

it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
and all the rest of us.

Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.

swarf, steam and wind



Oh, purleese.
If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think that
all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
much mistaken.

Mike




"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather,
because it is easier to harrass rich women
than it is motorcycle gangs." - Bumper Sticker

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:57:52 +0200, "mb"
wrote:


"DejaVU" wrote in message
...
D dwrate@interbaundotc0m scribed in
:

I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...

it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
and all the rest of us.

Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.

swarf, steam and wind



Oh, purleese.
If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think that
all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
much mistaken.

Mike

Well..first of all..most of the Something Elses, dont have the
vulnerabilities of OE..but thats just fine with me. Id rather have
folks like you hanging your asses out as a fine target, keeping the
script kiddies occupied, than trying to get through the few if any
vulnerabilities in real Something Elses.

Having you folks out there as a nice big fat target means they arent
going to be going after the rest of us.

"this is the reason aircraft carriers are known as bomb magnets"


Gunner


"Anyone who cannot cope with firearms is not fully human. At best he
is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not
make messes in the house."
With appologies to RAH..

"Gunner" wrote in message
news

Well..first of all..most of the Something Elses, dont have the
vulnerabilities of OE..but thats just fine with me.

don't have the vulnerabilities, or they haven't been discovered because it's
not practical to search them out due to low numbers in use ?

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:59:10 GMT, "Gary Glaenzer"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
news

Well..first of all..most of the Something Elses, dont have the
vulnerabilities of OE..but thats just fine with me.

don't have the vulnerabilities, or they haven't been discovered because it's
not practical to search them out due to low numbers in use ?



Eudora is a low numbered software? ROFLMAO.

Think again..do the research..get back to me, ok?

Denial..is not a river in Egypt.

Target.


Gunner

"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather,
because it is easier to harrass rich women
than it is motorcycle gangs." - Bumper Sticker

"Gunner" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:57:52 +0200, "mb"
wrote:



8888


Oh, purleese.
If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think
that
all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
much mistaken.

Mike

Well..first of all..most of the Something Elses, dont have the
vulnerabilities of OE..but thats just fine with me. Id rather have
folks like you hanging your asses out as a fine target, keeping the
script kiddies occupied, than trying to get through the few if any
vulnerabilities in real Something Elses.

Having you folks out there as a nice big fat target means they arent
going to be going after the rest of us.

"this is the reason aircraft carriers are known as bomb magnets"


Gunner



Yawn, another self righteous Agent user.
I hope that's not your real email address 'hanging it ass' out.

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:52:20 +0200, "mb"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:57:52 +0200, "mb"
wrote:



8888


Oh, purleese.
If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think
that
all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
much mistaken.

Mike

Well..first of all..most of the Something Elses, dont have the
vulnerabilities of OE..but thats just fine with me. Id rather have
folks like you hanging your asses out as a fine target, keeping the
script kiddies occupied, than trying to get through the few if any
vulnerabilities in real Something Elses.

Having you folks out there as a nice big fat target means they arent
going to be going after the rest of us.

"this is the reason aircraft carriers are known as bomb magnets"


Gunner



Yawn, another self righteous Agent user.
I hope that's not your real email address 'hanging it ass' out.

Yup, its my real email addy. Why shouldnt it be? I dont run vulnerable
software, so malware is not an issue. The only concern I have
security wise, is a denial of service attack, and I have alternate
email addys for that event.

Chuckle..I may hang my ass out there..but I wear kevlar undies.

Gunner

"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather,
because it is easier to harrass rich women
than it is motorcycle gangs." - Bumper Sticker

"mb" wrote in message ...
"DejaVU" wrote in message
...
D dwrate@interbaundotc0m scribed in
:

I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...

it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
and all the rest of us.

Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.

swarf, steam and wind



Oh, purleese.
If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think that
all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
much mistaken.

Mike


Don't want to get into the contest on outlook and sorry to post this
on this site, but I am getting the same problem with my yahoo mail,
from what it looks like it coming from microsoft to the tone of 10 to
15 a day, so please inform on how NOT to have this problem. It seems
to be the same problem as posted above, good luck guys.

"mb" wrote in message
.. .

"DejaVU" wrote in message
...
D dwrate@interbaundotc0m scribed in
:

I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...

it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
and all the rest of us.

Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.

swarf, steam and wind



Oh, purleese.
If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think that
all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
much mistaken.

Mike

I agree. There is no safe system, and the "popular" one (read that the most
used), should Outlook Express get replaced by another, will be plagued
quickly.

One does not quit driving cars because some crazy person kills another
intentionally, he goes after the crazy person and gets them locked up.
Penalties for these idiots is simply not severe enough, if at all.
Personally, I don't intend to allow these fools to force me to make other
choices. It's easy enough to deal with the problem emails, though
inconvenient.

Harold

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 04:46:42 GMT, "Harold & Susan Vordos"
wrote:


"mb" wrote in message
. ..

"DejaVU" wrote in message
...
D dwrate@interbaundotc0m scribed in
:

I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...

it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
and all the rest of us.

Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.

swarf, steam and wind



Oh, purleese.
If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think that
all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
much mistaken.

Mike

I agree. There is no safe system, and the "popular" one (read that the most
used), should Outlook Express get replaced by another, will be plagued
quickly.

One does not quit driving cars because some crazy person kills another
intentionally, he goes after the crazy person and gets them locked up.
Penalties for these idiots is simply not severe enough, if at all.
Personally, I don't intend to allow these fools to force me to make other
choices. It's easy enough to deal with the problem emails, though
inconvenient.

Harold


From my perspective, you folks are looking at it a bit askew. Its not
rocket science guys...

For example, think of Outlook Express as a semiautomatic pistol, with
poorly designed and defective safeties and trigger. Sure it works, but
sooner or later you will get an accidental discharge.

On the other hand..you have email client soft wear, such as Eudora,
which was well engineered and has well designed triggers and safeties.

You know thousands of people have blown off their feet, while handling
the OE pistol, so you are going to continue to use yours, knowing full
well it will indeed blow off YOUR foot sooner or later. Simply not
having problems up till now, is no sign that its safe.

Gunner

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.

Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.

Another misinformed viewer.

http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-626...87.html?tag=fb

The reason virus writers focus on Microsoft is that most people are
running MS Operating systems. If, overnight, we all switched to
something else, they'd focus on that. You really don't know what
you're talking about if you think nothing else is vulnerable.

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:21:26 -0700, Larry Bud wrote:

Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.

Another misinformed viewer.

http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-626...87.html?tag=fb

The reason virus writers focus on Microsoft is that most people are
running MS Operating systems. If, overnight, we all switched to
something else, they'd focus on that. You really don't know what
you're talking about if you think nothing else is vulnerable.

However, the author of the referenced guide has this to say:

"I do believe that free software is superior, at least in regard to
security. And I strongly oppose the argument that Linux viruses will
flourish once it reaches a critical mass of popularity. On the contrary
I question the credibility of people whose income relies on widespread
use of ridiculously insecure operating systems."

-Doug

"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
s.com...
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:21:26 -0700, Larry Bud wrote:

Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.

Another misinformed viewer.

http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-626...87.html?tag=fb

The reason virus writers focus on Microsoft is that most people are
running MS Operating systems. If, overnight, we all switched to
something else, they'd focus on that. You really don't know what
you're talking about if you think nothing else is vulnerable.

However, the author of the referenced guide has this to say:

"I do believe that free software is superior, at least in regard to
security. And I strongly oppose the argument that Linux viruses will
flourish once it reaches a critical mass of popularity. On the contrary
I question the credibility of people whose income relies on widespread
use of ridiculously insecure operating systems."


'I do believe'.........'I strongly oppose'.........'I question'.......

sounds like another self-proclaimed 'expert' who thinks his beliefs,
oppositions, and questions constitute fact...........

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:12:59 +0000, Gary Glaenzer wrote:


'I do believe'.........'I strongly oppose'.........'I question'.......

sounds like another self-proclaimed 'expert' who thinks his beliefs,
oppositions, and questions constitute fact...........

And the facts are?

Perhaps reading the referenced guide would clear up the authors
credentials. He does spell it out very clearly.

-Doug

Outlook or Outlook Express??

Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.

IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
will go away.

Actually the writers will just become more creative targeting what had been
the lesser used programs.

Walt Conner

"Walt Conner" wrote in message news
IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
will go away.

Actually the writers will just become more creative targeting what had been
the lesser used programs.



they can't. The other programs
don't try to integrate with everything else
in Windoze and are therefore much safer.

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
am

On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:12:53 GMT, "Walt Conner"
wrote:

IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
will go away.

Actually the writers will just become more creative targeting what had been
the lesser used programs.

Walt Conner

True..and in most case will have a MUCH harder time writing a virus for
them, as they are by design, far more "bullet proof".

Gunner


Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
True..and in most case will have a MUCH harder time writing a virus for
them, as they are by design, far more "bullet proof".

I heard that the mac is actually built like a seive, but since nobody
uses them ( they are pretty well virus-free.

Tim

--
"That's for the courts to decide." - Homer Simpson
Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms

In article ,
Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:12:53 GMT, "Walt Conner"
wrote:

IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
will go away.

I *can't* stop using Outlook. I've never *started* using it. :-)

Actually the writers will just become more creative targeting what had been
the lesser used programs.

[ ... ]

True..and in most case will have a MUCH harder time writing a virus for
them, as they are by design, far more "bullet proof".

*Especially* those which don't have built-in HTML capabilities.
:-) Web browsers used as newsreaders and e-mail agents without the
ability to turn of scripting (Java and JavaScript -- especially the
latter -- are ways into the system, since the web site (or e-mail or
news article) provide a program which is downloaded to your machine and
*run* on your machine -- thus bypassing a lot of the safeguards which
would otherwise be in place.

Outlook Express is known as "The Virus Writer's Friend", because
of all the security holes put in in the name of being "user-friendly".

Enjoy,
DoN.

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"D" dwrate@interbaundotc0m wrote in message ...
I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest Internet
Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as it
was/is an executable called "installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly
looks authentic, so I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there is
a section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual
example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...


forward them all to

Hi

What i noticed was that the day after the BBC made a news report on how
easy it is to send an email virus, i noticed that i had 50% of my junk
email had a virus in it, now that is an example of where the BBC thinmk
they are being the good samaritan, but don't actually notice it causing
more trouble.

Dan


D wrote:
I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest Internet
Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as it
was/is an executable called "installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly
looks authentic, so I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there is
a section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual
example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....

So beware there seems to be something new out there...