Is anyone besides me getting a spam from Korea which you can't get rid of
it? Twice now I have received one, which, once clicked on to delete,
automatically sends you to a porno web site. Once there, there's no way to
get rid of it, at least not with my limited experience with computers.
Three times I just turned off the computer then waited while it did a
Scandisk to verify for errors. Out of frustration, I finally deleted the
Korea folder, which got rid of the email, then remade the Korea folder.
For the past year I've been shuttling the spam from Korea to a folder, where
I do a bulk delete to simplify getting rid of the unwelcome garbage. It
makes me wonder aloud why I didn't (and now don't) simply send them to the
deleted items file.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm about up to my ears with junk mail and
spam. So far as the phone goes, I no longer answer it. We screen the
calls with a message on our answering machine that tells friends to identify
themselves, and for solicitors to hang up, that we do not accept calls from
solicitors. It's surprisingly effective. Only about a half dozen
solicitors have talked to the machine in the past year or so. For the
most part, they comply by hanging up. Still, it's clearly a PIA to have to
resort to such tactics. Seems we, the law abiding citizens, have given up
all our rights so those that prefer to live outside the law are guaranteed
they collect all of theirs. I clearly do not see how anyone has the right
to disrupt my privacy, especially in an attempt to sell me aluminum siding,
for which I have absolutely no need.

At what point will the lawmakers pull their heads out of their asses?

Comments?

Harold

At what point will the lawmakers pull their heads out of their asses?

Comments?

Harold

NEVER. They don't want to hurt anybodys feelings. Have to be politicly
correct now.

But I agree with all you said Harold. As far as the phone calls go. It
depends on what kind of mood I'm in. If i'm realy ****ed off I answer the
phone in give them a hard time untill they hang up. On other occasions I
just let the machine answer. I don't think they'll ever go away. Only way to
do that is to hit them in their pocket book, don't buy their products.
Unfortunatly we have to many "minrods" that go for the sales pitch.
Hang in there, it's only going to get worse and your not alone in that boat.

Bernd

"Bernd" wrote in message
...
At what point will the lawmakers pull their heads out of their asses?

I forgot to note:
If 1/10 of 1% of all the SPAM was real:
I would be richer than Bill Gates, have a two foot penis, a perpetual
erection, and a long line sexy teenagers waiting for service.

Boris

For your information, the UK has just past a law that anyone sending
unwanted emails will be subject to a $8000 fine, and the rest of Europe will
follow soon. The problem is how do you collect fine in Korea.
--
Donald Warner
--
"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...
Is anyone besides me getting a spam from Korea which you can't get rid of
it? Twice now I have received one, which, once clicked on to delete,
automatically sends you to a porno web site. Once there, there's no way
to
get rid of it, at least not with my limited experience with computers.
Three times I just turned off the computer then waited while it did a
Scandisk to verify for errors. Out of frustration, I finally deleted
the
Korea folder, which got rid of the email, then remade the Korea folder.
For the past year I've been shuttling the spam from Korea to a folder,
where
I do a bulk delete to simplify getting rid of the unwelcome garbage. It
makes me wonder aloud why I didn't (and now don't) simply send them to the
deleted items file.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm about up to my ears with junk mail
and
spam. So far as the phone goes, I no longer answer it. We screen the
calls with a message on our answering machine that tells friends to
identify
themselves, and for solicitors to hang up, that we do not accept calls
from
solicitors. It's surprisingly effective. Only about a half dozen
solicitors have talked to the machine in the past year or so. For the
most part, they comply by hanging up. Still, it's clearly a PIA to have
to
resort to such tactics. Seems we, the law abiding citizens, have given up
all our rights so those that prefer to live outside the law are guaranteed
they collect all of theirs. I clearly do not see how anyone has the
right
to disrupt my privacy, especially in an attempt to sell me aluminum
siding,
for which I have absolutely no need.

At what point will the lawmakers pull their heads out of their asses?

Comments?

Harold

follow soon. The problem is how do you collect fine in Korea.
Declare it a rogue state and.....
Ciao,
David Todtman

"Donald" wrote in message
...
For your information, the UK has just past a law that anyone sending
unwanted emails will be subject to a $8000 fine, and the rest of Europe
will
follow soon. The problem is how do you collect fine in Korea.

NUKE EM' first. Then take what's left, if anything.

Bernd

Harold & Susan Vordos wrote:

Is anyone besides me getting a spam from Korea which you can't get rid of
it? Twice now I have received one, which, once clicked on to delete,
automatically sends you to a porno web site. Once there, there's no way to
get rid of it, at least not with my limited experience with computers.
Three times I just turned off the computer then waited while it did a
Scandisk to verify for errors. Out of frustration, I finally deleted the
Korea folder, which got rid of the email, then remade the Korea folder.
For the past year I've been shuttling the spam from Korea to a folder, where
I do a bulk delete to simplify getting rid of the unwelcome garbage. It
makes me wonder aloud why I didn't (and now don't) simply send them to the
deleted items file.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm about up to my ears with junk mail and
spam. So far as the phone goes, I no longer answer it. We screen the
calls with a message on our answering machine that tells friends to identify
themselves, and for solicitors to hang up, that we do not accept calls from
solicitors. It's surprisingly effective. Only about a half dozen
solicitors have talked to the machine in the past year or so. For the
most part, they comply by hanging up. Still, it's clearly a PIA to have to
resort to such tactics. Seems we, the law abiding citizens, have given up
all our rights so those that prefer to live outside the law are guaranteed
they collect all of theirs. I clearly do not see how anyone has the right
to disrupt my privacy, especially in an attempt to sell me aluminum siding,
for which I have absolutely no need.

At what point will the lawmakers pull their heads out of their asses?

Comments?

Harold

Harold

Couldn't agree more. The legislatures and judges all seem to be the
puppets of corporations and special interest groups these days. The
general population is just fodder for all there marketing schemes, no
wonder we're all labeled as 'consumers'.

Prime example from the other day, some imbecile judge can say bothering
my privacy several times a day with a phone I pay for is free speech,
WTF! This after Congress actually did the unheard of and passed a law
,in 24 hrs no less, to allow do not call lists after some other judge
tossed them out on a technicality, unbelievable. If my next door
neighbor called me several times a day I could get an injunction against
him, maybe get him tossed in jail. Then the damn telemarketers hide
behind that 'throw old ladies and single moms out of work' bull**** and
I'm really ready to go ballistic. On top of that I'm actually expected
to be polite to these morons when they call in the middle of dinner, or
after I had to work all night and my sleep is interrupted. I suppose a
cure for the common cold would be suppressed because it would mean the
end of the cough syrup industry. It's time the average citizen took back
this country.

Ok, rant off...

Regards
Paul
--
-----------------------------------------
It's a Linux world....well, it oughta be.
-----------------------------------------

"Paul Batozech" wrote in message
...
Couldn't agree more. The legislatures and judges all seem to be the
puppets of corporations and special interest groups these days. The
general population is just fodder for all there marketing schemes, no
wonder we're all labeled as 'consumers'.

If people refused to be "consumers" by refusing to buy from
telemarketers and spammers, the problem would disolve by itself in 30 days.
We need to think of doing business with these slimeballs as a social "no
no", it is exactly like buying goods from a thief.


Prime example from the other day, some imbecile judge can say bothering
my privacy several times a day with a phone I pay for is free speech,

This I don't understand, nobody has a right of free speech on my
personal phone line except that which I decide to grant. If I say I don't
want to be called on my phone line which exists at my expense, I see no
Constitutional issue.

...
On top of that I'm actually expected to be polite to these morons when
they call in the middle of dinner, or
after I had to work all night and my sleep is interrupted.

Says who? I have never felt a duty of politeness to an unwanted
caller.

I suppose a cure for the common cold would be suppressed because it would
mean the
end of the cough syrup industry.

Franky, I will be happy to pay my part of the unemployment
compensation; it will be a bargain.


Ok, rant off...

Me too.

Regards
Vaughn

If people refused to be "consumers" by refusing to buy from
telemarketers and spammers, the problem would disolve by itself in 30
days.
We need to think of doing business with these slimeballs as a social "no
no", it is exactly like buying goods from a thief.

Therein lies the rub. The term "people" is fuzzy. Most _do_ refuse, the
return on spam and telemarketing is really poor. It seems odd how
often we can flip between "the greater good" and "individual rights".

And those responsible for attributing "free speech" to the "do not call
list" seem to be confused. Those can say what they will, but why do
I have to be forced to listen? Caller-id is hardly 100% reliable. My work
requires that I answer the phone... Never mind. I'll just get more
angry.

John Hofstad-Parkhill scribed in
:

And those responsible for attributing "free speech" to the "do not
call list" seem to be confused. Those can say what they will, but
why do I have to be forced to listen? Caller-id is hardly 100%
reliable. My work requires that I answer the phone... Never mind.
I'll just get more angry.

like I said elsewhere, get a cheap walkman and a rampant preacher
tape, organ music, etc... play the tape to them when they call.
just say 'please hold' and go with the tape.....

swarf, steam and wind

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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:23:19 GMT, "Harold & Susan Vordos"
wrote:


Twice now I have received one, which, once clicked on to delete,
automatically sends you to a porno web site.

[extracted from the header of your message]
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158

The first thing you need to do is get a different
mail/news-reader program. As far as I know Outlook
Express is the only such program that executes things
like links and executable attachments when you have
only looked at the message.

I recommend Forte' Agent, myself, but there a lot
of other good mail/news-reader programs out there
like Eudora and Pine (available in DOS, Windows,
and Macintosh versions, I think). They won't show
you e-mail that looks like a web page, but that
is what you are complaining about: e-mails that
contain dangerous material over which you have no
control.

The downside is that you won't have the integration
available in the MS Office Suite: no addressbook
that contains e-mail addresses, phone numbers and
snail-mail addresses for use by various programs.

I sure wish MS would make a plain ASCII mail and
news-reader that integrated with the rest of Office.
Then, they could offer the choice of what program
you use to read mail -- the Outlook type that runs
executable attachments or the plain ASCII that protects
you from the sort of thing you are complaining of.

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:25:16 -0400, Peter W. Meek wrote:
I sure wish MS would make a plain ASCII mail and
news-reader that integrated with the rest of Office.

They do, it is called Outlook Express 6. Just go to Tools,
Options, Read, and check "Read as plain ASCII text".
Problem solved.

While you're in there, go to Send, and uncheck "Reply
to messages in the format they were sent", and check
"Plain Text" in the mail and news sending format boxes.

Microsoft really does give you the capability to configure
their products to work the way you want. You just have
to dig a little to figure out how.

What would be great is if they'd ship them configured
with all the extraneous crap turned off by default. That
way you'd have to deliberately turn on the features that
can cause you grief instead of searching out the ways
to turn them off.

Gary

"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...
Is anyone besides me getting a spam from Korea which you can't get rid of
it? snip It
makes me wonder aloud why I didn't (and now don't) simply send them to the
deleted items file.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm about up to my ears with junk mail

For junk mail I keep all letters with a postage-paid return envelope. I
accumulate as much junk mail as I can stuff into the envelope as well as
junk faxes and send it back to them. Years ago, I would tape the letter to
a brick, but the post office will no longer accept anything attached to such
envelopes. Remember, they only pay postage when you return the envelope. I
used to carefully hide my name and stuff, or clip out the part of the letter
with my name on it -- but I found a better way. Send the form back with a
big red thing on it saying "REFUSED" and be sure to black out any signature
areas. Make sure you name and address is on the form. I found that by
doing this, I get my name off the mailing list in one hell of a hurry. It
has really cut down on the junk mail (with return envelopes) that I get.

and spam.

That's the tough one. The worst recently, has been all those bogus
"Microsoft Security" notices and undelivered mail notices (144K long,
typically). I go to my ISP web site and delete all them without opening or
downloading, but it still takes time. This has gotten so bad that I will
probably change my email address, my ISP, and start using an antiSPAM insert
like so may people do -- or
something. I assume that all you guys know never to click on the "click
here to remove your name from this list" -- that might get you off that SPAM
list, but it confirms that they hit a valid address and they sell that one
to all the other SPAMers.

So far as the phone goes, I no longer answer it. We screen the
calls with a message on our answering machine that tells friends to
identify
themselves, and for solicitors to hang up, that we do not accept calls
from
solicitors.

In Pennsylvania, we have a "Do Not Call" list which went into effect about a
year ago. Works great. I suppose that's the reason the telemarketers
pushed their case to kill the national telemarketing bill up to a
soft-headed judge -- he's got what he deserves -- thousands of telephone
calls (at dinnertime) from irate citizens. The telemarketers hope to push
it all the way up to the supreme court and to thereby invalidate the working
laws, such as Pennsylvania's. Before the PA law went into effect, here's
what I found was effective:

1. Just let them rattle on and on and on. If I'm at my desk and I get a
telemarketing call, I just put them on speaker phone and let them talk.
Eventually, they get to the point where they want a response -- the get
really ****ed off when you have wasted their time.

2. If I need to use the phone I get their name and telephone number and
then say "Congratulations -- you have called someone on the PA Do-Not-Call
list. You are subject to a $1,000 fine for this call of which I will get
$150. Thank you again for calling. "

I feel sorry for the (typically poor and/or desperate) people who
try to make a living making such calls. But maybe this will help to dry up
the potential employee pool, drive up the wages, and make telemarketing
unprofitable -- much better than more laws that clever lawyers can find a
way around.






At what point will the lawmakers pull their heads out of their asses?

Comments?

Harold

Set your filters so that if it detects any of the myriad extended
characters (e.g. µ, Ò, §, ë, etc...) in the subject line, trash it.
Problem solved.

Tim

--
In the immortal words of Ned Flanders: "No foot longs!"
Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms

"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...
Is anyone besides me getting a spam from Korea which you can't get rid of
it? Twice now I have received one, which, once clicked on to delete,
automatically sends you to a porno web site. Once there, there's no way
to
get rid of it, at least not with my limited experience with computers.
Three times I just turned off the computer then waited while it did a
Scandisk to verify for errors. Out of frustration, I finally deleted
the
Korea folder, which got rid of the email, then remade the Korea folder.
For the past year I've been shuttling the spam from Korea to a folder,
where
I do a bulk delete to simplify getting rid of the unwelcome garbage. It
makes me wonder aloud why I didn't (and now don't) simply send them to the
deleted items file.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm about up to my ears with junk mail
and
spam. So far as the phone goes, I no longer answer it. We screen the
calls with a message on our answering machine that tells friends to
identify
themselves, and for solicitors to hang up, that we do not accept calls
from
solicitors. It's surprisingly effective. Only about a half dozen
solicitors have talked to the machine in the past year or so. For the
most part, they comply by hanging up. Still, it's clearly a PIA to have
to
resort to such tactics. Seems we, the law abiding citizens, have given up
all our rights so those that prefer to live outside the law are guaranteed
they collect all of theirs. I clearly do not see how anyone has the
right
to disrupt my privacy, especially in an attempt to sell me aluminum
siding,
for which I have absolutely no need.

At what point will the lawmakers pull their heads out of their asses?

Comments?

Harold

In article ,
Harold & Susan Vordos wrote:
Is anyone besides me getting a spam from Korea which you can't get rid of
it? Twice now I have received one, which, once clicked on to delete,
automatically sends you to a porno web site. Once there, there's no way to
get rid of it, at least not with my limited experience with computers.

First -- don't use Outlook Express (which your headers say you
are using). It is the virus writer's friend, and the friend of spammers
who want to take control of your computer.

Second -- if you're considering using a web browser as an e-mail
program, get Mozilla and go though the edit/preferences/security and
edit/preferences/advanced menus, turning off things which you don't
*know* you need. In particular, turn off JavaScript for e-mail. That
is what allows the spammers to take control of your computer.

Three times I just turned off the computer then waited while it did a
Scandisk to verify for errors.

Bad practice. It can lead to sufficient damage to your disk so
you'll be forced to do a re-install. Just pull the modem line out of
the wall phone jack (if you're using a dial-up account), or disconnect
from your cable modem or other net connection. Then the spam can't
reach their web site, and will time out, allowing you to finally kill
it.

Out of frustration, I finally deleted the
Korea folder, which got rid of the email, then remade the Korea folder.
For the past year I've been shuttling the spam from Korea to a folder, where
I do a bulk delete to simplify getting rid of the unwelcome garbage. It
makes me wonder aloud why I didn't (and now don't) simply send them to the
deleted items file.

I use an e-mail program (mutt) which doesn't do HTML or
JavaScript. (Mutt is not available for Windows machines, so you are out
of luck with that one, but there are several good Windows e-mail
programs.

I also have blocked every IP address block from Korea which has
spammed me, along with a lot of China, Taiwan, Argentina, Brazil, and
quite a few other places. (But that requires control of your own mail
server, not too likely on a Windows box.)

I'm using a Bayesian filtering program to shuttle most spam to a
"purgatory" box.

I'm blocking receipt of any e-mail near 100K or larger. (Which
may block valid e-mail attachments, too, but it has shut off the flow of
the "Swen" virus, along with several others, all of which are larger
than my threshold.

I'm scanning e-mail not from mailing list for any of the
following strings in the body:

name=*.exe
name=*.bat
name=*.pif
name=*.scr
name=*.com
/iframe

and some others. Anything which matches one of those goes into a VIRII
folder.

Good Luck,
DoN.
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Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
(too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
--- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---

My favorite thing to do with telemarketers is (if I have the spare time)
just listen to the sales pitch and sound interested as if I wanted to
buy their widgets or whatever they are selling. Then when they want a
credit card # tell them hold on while I go get my wallet. Just set the
phone down and continue with watching tv or eating dinner. It doesn't
take too long before they will give up.

There is also a web site where the author posted a clever script where
you start to turn the tables on the telemarketer and actually start a
conversation where you ask how long they have been doing this, etc. It's
a good bit of reading. If anyone wants, maybe I can dig it up. Mark

Harold & Susan Vordos wrote:
Is anyone besides me getting a spam from Korea which you can't get rid of
it? Twice now I have received one, which, once clicked on to delete,
automatically sends you to a porno web site. Once there, there's no way to
get rid of it, at least not with my limited experience with computers.
Three times I just turned off the computer then waited while it did a
Scandisk to verify for errors. Out of frustration, I finally deleted the
Korea folder, which got rid of the email, then remade the Korea folder.
For the past year I've been shuttling the spam from Korea to a folder, where
I do a bulk delete to simplify getting rid of the unwelcome garbage. It
makes me wonder aloud why I didn't (and now don't) simply send them to the
deleted items file.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm about up to my ears with junk mail and
spam. So far as the phone goes, I no longer answer it. We screen the
calls with a message on our answering machine that tells friends to identify
themselves, and for solicitors to hang up, that we do not accept calls from
solicitors. It's surprisingly effective. Only about a half dozen
solicitors have talked to the machine in the past year or so. For the
most part, they comply by hanging up. Still, it's clearly a PIA to have to
resort to such tactics. Seems we, the law abiding citizens, have given up
all our rights so those that prefer to live outside the law are guaranteed
they collect all of theirs. I clearly do not see how anyone has the right
to disrupt my privacy, especially in an attempt to sell me aluminum siding,
for which I have absolutely no need.

At what point will the lawmakers pull their heads out of their asses?

Comments?

Harold

Is anyone besides me getting a spam from Korea which you can't get rid of
it? Twice now I have received one, which, once clicked on to delete,
automatically sends you to a porno web site. Once there, there's no way
to
get rid of it, at least not with my limited experience with computers.
Three times I just turned off the computer then waited while it did a
Scandisk to verify for errors.

I don't know if I've gotten the same thing but I think I may know how it's
working and how to stop it. I use Outlook for email and Outlook Express for
newsgroups. In Outlook I've noticed a few messages lately that ask for a
receipt to be sent when I delete the message. I have an option set that
tells it to ask me before sending a receipt for when a message has been read
and it apparently works for deletion too because it asks me if I want that
receipt sent. I always say no so I haven't had what you're describing
happen to me but I'm guessing that you don't have that option set and the
return receipt is triggering the problem.

If you're using the latest version of OE here's how to set the the option:

Click on Tools and then Options and select the Receipts tab. There is a
section called
"Returning Read Receipts". Select "Notify me for each read receipt
request". Later on you can set it to "Never send a read receipt" if you
want but for now I'd leave the option in so you get a confirmation dialog to
verify that this is what's been happening.

I'm not sure this will have the same effect in OE as it does in Outlook but
I think so.

Best Regards,
Keith Marshall


"I'm not grown up enough to be so old!"

Harold,

Are you using Outlook for email? If so, you may need to adjust the security
settings in Outlook.

From Outlook:

Tools | Options

then set secure content to "Restricted Sites" and then verify that all of
settings for executable programs are disabled or se to "Prompt" to prevent
them from running.

It's also a good idea to disable the Preview Pane, set Outlook so that it
only downloads headers and not message bodies and set it so that it does not
automatically acknowledge send receipts.

Note that the above is for Outlook 2002 and that I could be off base on some
of the above. It does seem to work for me, though, and I've been virus free
for several years now.

Hopefully someone will point out a site with a good FAQ or tutorial on
setting Outlook to be as secure as reasonably possible.

Mike

"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...
Is anyone besides me getting a spam from Korea which you can't get rid of
it? Twice now I have received one, which, once clicked on to delete,
automatically sends you to a porno web site. Once there, there's no way
to
get rid of it, at least not with my limited experience with computers.
Three times I just turned off the computer then waited while it did a
Scandisk to verify for errors. Out of frustration, I finally deleted
the
Korea folder, which got rid of the email, then remade the Korea folder.
For the past year I've been shuttling the spam from Korea to a folder,
where
I do a bulk delete to simplify getting rid of the unwelcome garbage. It
makes me wonder aloud why I didn't (and now don't) simply send them to the
deleted items file.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm about up to my ears with junk mail
and
spam. So far as the phone goes, I no longer answer it. We screen the
calls with a message on our answering machine that tells friends to
identify
themselves, and for solicitors to hang up, that we do not accept calls
from
solicitors. It's surprisingly effective. Only about a half dozen
solicitors have talked to the machine in the past year or so. For the
most part, they comply by hanging up. Still, it's clearly a PIA to have
to
resort to such tactics. Seems we, the law abiding citizens, have given up
all our rights so those that prefer to live outside the law are guaranteed
they collect all of theirs. I clearly do not see how anyone has the
right
to disrupt my privacy, especially in an attempt to sell me aluminum
siding,
for which I have absolutely no need.

At what point will the lawmakers pull their heads out of their asses?

Comments?

Harold

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:54:42 -0500, "Mike Henry"
wrote:


Hopefully someone will point out a site with a good FAQ or tutorial on
setting Outlook to be as secure as reasonably possible.


www.eudora.com
www.forteinc.com


Gunner, pondering the absolute refusal of some folks to change, even
when they know the drill motor they are using will shock the **** out
of them if they step in water. After all, its only injured 1,200,000
other people..so the odds are good it wont hurt me......

Shrug.......


"Anyone who cannot cope with firearms is not fully human. At best he
is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not
make messes in the house."
With appologies to RAH..

In article , Gunner says...

Gunner, pondering the absolute refusal of some folks to change, even
when they know the drill motor they are using will shock the **** out
of them if they step in water. After all, its only injured 1,200,000
other people..so the odds are good it wont hurt me......

LOL. Like I say, correct procedure is to lift copy of
OE six inches up, shift three feet to the right, and
place copy of any one of the mentioned mail programs
in its place. Done!

Jim

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